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gogo59
08-03-2006, 03:26 PM
Did the Sox make a change in the guy responsible for their drafts a couple years ago? I realize it's a little early to be evaluating last June's draft, but after having very good drafts for a number of years running, 2005 and 2006 look like they're going to be losers. Although Broadway is pitching well, he has a low ceiling from everything I've read. And McCullough also is projected as a bottom of the rotation starter at best. And with very few exceptions, no one below the first round has distinguished himself from the last two drafts. What happened?

Britt Burns
08-03-2006, 04:43 PM
Geez, you really think it is too early to evaluate the '06 draft when has already been...two months?

Check how many picks from last year have been in AA the whole season like Broadway (much less succeeding). Look at Carter's stats in Great Falls. Look who Daniel Cortes got us in a trade. Look at how Aaron Cunningham has progressed this year.

This isn't the NFL. It takes years and years for most of these guys to reach their full potential, and if you get one ML caliber regular player or starter and one bench player or reliever froma single draft you are doing damn good.

By the way, here are a few people who slid in the draft because they profiled as bottom of the rotation guys (just off the top of my head): Mark Buehrle (38th round DFE), Greg Maddox (2nd), Cliff Lee (6th), Brandon Webb (8th), Jason Schmidt (8th), Roy Oswalt (23rd, and even then a DFE).

gogo59
08-03-2006, 05:37 PM
Geez, I said it was early. Doesn't mean it's too soon to start talking about it. Beside Broadway, I count one (Getz) from the 2005 draft in AA now. Not that that's much of a test. Chris Carter hit .130 in Low A this year before being sent back for a second year of rookie ball. Although he looks like one of the more promising of the 2005 group, the fact he's in rookie ball for a second year ought to temper your enthusiasm. My point is that I'd like to see more than a couple draft choices hit the ground running, and I'd like to see them aim higher with the early picks. Both seem to have been the case more in the past than with the last two drafts.

California Sox
08-04-2006, 02:30 AM
I think the 2005 draft is shaping up decently. I hated to see Cortes go and as Britt pointed out above Cunningham and Carter are very young and very promising. Don't let Carter's Kanny experience (fewer than 100 at bats) fool you. As a raw player he did very well in the Appy League, had a great spring and is tearing up the Pioneer League. At 19 he is right on schedule. Particularly for a first round pick. Chris Young missed the year he signed, did a season in the AZL and one in the Appy (both of those leagues would be considered less experienced than the Pioneer I think) and he turned out fine.

I, however, share your concern that in Broadway and McCulloch we didn't go after the highest ceiling guys.

CleeFan101
08-04-2006, 07:29 AM
I dont have a problem with last years draft. Broadway has been great in AA so far which is a great and mixed that with Cortes, Cunningham, Getz, Carter, Woodson(for some reason gets a lot of attention), than a couple of those RP's in low A. Also I think Rice just joined the starting rotation.

Most of the players in that draft are very raw(besides getz) so I guess it makes sense the top pick being a very polished player.


This year's draft I havent been too impressed with though. McCulloch has a pretty decent fastball in the low 90's and its been clocked b4 at 95 I think. Other than him the only names that stick out to me are John Shelby, Justin Cassel, and Inouye.

Frater Perdurabo
08-04-2006, 07:55 AM
If Broadway and McCullough turn out to be reasonably successful #4 and #5 pitchers on the 2009 White Sox (i.e. not getting pounded, but regularly throw quality starts and generate .500 winning percentages), both drafts must be considered complete successes.

Because good pitching is so rare, if a team can land one starting pitcher out of a draft, it is an unqualified success.

As a large-market team, the Sox ought to be able to hang on to top-flight starters to anchor the top of the rotation. Filling in the back end through the draft is a great way to make sure there is enough payroll to sign and keep those top-flight starters.

caulfield12
08-04-2006, 09:12 AM
Drafted Matt Ginter (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gintema01.shtml) in the 1st round (22nd pick) of the 1999 amateur draft. Player signed June 24, 1999.
Drafted Bobby Hill (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hillbo01.shtml) in the 2nd round of the 1999 amateur draft, but did not sign the player.
Drafted Dan Wright (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wrighda02.shtml) in the 2nd round of the 1999 amateur draft. Player signed July 10, 1999.
Drafted Jon Rauch (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rauchjo01.shtml) in the 3rd round of the 1999 amateur draft. Player signed June 9, 1999.
Drafted Josh Stewart (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/stewajo02.shtml) in the 5th round of the 1999 amateur draft. Player signed June 7, 1999.
Drafted David Sanders (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sandeda01.shtml) in the 6th round of the 1999 amateur draft. Player signed July 12, 1999.
Drafted Matt Guerrier (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/guerrma02.shtml) in the 10th round of the 1999 amateur draft. Player signed June 17, 1999.
Drafted Scott Hairston (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hairssc01.shtml) in the 18th round of the 1999 amateur draft, but did not sign the player.
Drafted Joe Valentine (http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/valenjo04.shtml) in the 26th round of the 1999 amateur draft. Player signed June 26, 1999. Drafted Jeff Bajenaru (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bajenje01.shtml) in the 36th round of the 1999 amateur draft. Player signed May 29, 2000.

Just an example...of course, Matt Ginter was a tremendous disappointment and we didn't sign Hill, which didn't turn out to be the complete disaster for the franchise some goofballs predicted.

But the White Sox obtained in one day four players who would eventually become Top 10 organizational prospects and Bajenaru was very close as well.

Before the injury, Rauch was one of the best (if not the best) pitching prospects in baseball. And identifying Guerrier and Valentine so low is pretty impressive as well.

Jason Bere comes to mind as another pitcher who we did a great job of identifying who wasn't a first rounder. Off the top of my head, we also really maximized Jeremy Reed's value to get Garcia (#2) draft pick.

Of course, at one point, this draft looked like it was going to provide us with potentially three to four starters and aces in Wright and Rauch, with Guerrier/Ginter more 4/5 type of starters.

rdivaldi
08-04-2006, 08:34 PM
Ugh, I hate looking at what could have been with that draft. What a massive disappointment that turned out to be.
:whiner:

jabrch
08-05-2006, 07:29 PM
This year's draft will largely depend on who, at the end of the day, we can actually sign from the draft. That could make this a great draft. If Kyle M makes it to the bigs as a middle of the rotation guy, considering we drafted at the bottom of the draft, that would make it a great draft.

Yes - way way way too early to evaluate it, but you can discuss the direction that it is heading.

Hagan
08-06-2006, 03:08 PM
And McCullough also is projected as a bottom of the rotation starter at best.

Well this draft was also one of the weakest drafts in the past 20 years. After about the first 10 picks everyone is projected to pretty much be average hitters or bottom of the rotation starters.