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Chips
08-01-2006, 07:22 PM
:canseco

Timmy D's
08-01-2006, 07:24 PM
Nope!! Rat bastad at best, should get whacked. Roid head to boot.

Timmy D's
08-01-2006, 07:26 PM
Maybe I'm just mad I wasted $22.50 on his book when it came out though.

fquaye149
08-01-2006, 07:33 PM
well, I voted yes and if you really want me to give a defense of that vote, I will.

but what I really wanted to know is:

should Chips be in the poll-starting HOF?

Chips
08-01-2006, 07:43 PM
well, I voted yes and if you really want me to give a defense of that vote, I will.

but what I really wanted to know is:

should Chips be in the poll-starting HOF?

No defense needed as I agree.

Yes, I should be.

fquaye149
08-01-2006, 07:44 PM
No defense needed as I agree.

Yes, I should be.

actually i was just testing to see if i was on your ignore list

SouthSide_HitMen
08-01-2006, 10:20 PM
actually i was just testing to see if i was on your ignore list

LOL. I'll change my vote if he knocks off his former "Presidente".

His MLB stats certainly don't warrant it.

His women skills remind me of Neil Steinberg on roids or Brett Myers drinking in Boston.

I used to be mean to my woman
I'd beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved
I know it's mean but I'm changing my scene
And I'm doing the best that I can

batmanZoSo
08-01-2006, 10:25 PM
actually i was just testing to see if i was on your ignore list

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SoxFanPrope
08-01-2006, 11:20 PM
well, I voted yes and if you really want me to give a defense of that vote, I will.
I for one, would like to know

Chips
08-01-2006, 11:31 PM
Canseco: 17 seasons. .266 average. 462 home runs. 1407 RBI. .971 Fielding%

Reggie Jackson: 20 seasons. .262 average. 563 home runs. 1702 RBI. .967 Fielding%

Luis Aparicio: 18 seasons. .262 average. 83 home runs. 791 RBI. .972 Fielding%

Johnny Bench: 17 seasons. .267 average. 389 home runs. 1376 RBI. .987 Fielding%

Gary Carter: 19 seasons. .262 average. 324 home runs. 1225 RBI. .991 Fielding%

Ralph Kiner: 10 seasons. .279 average. 369 home runs. 1015 RBI. .975 Fielding%

Ozzie Smith. 19 seasons. .262 average. 28 home runs. 793 RBI. Millions of backflips.

JorgeFabregas
08-01-2006, 11:34 PM
Wait, why are we comparing him to Aparicio and Ozzie Smith?

Chips
08-01-2006, 11:38 PM
Wait, why are we comparing him to Aparicio and Ozzie Smith?
Random choices. Why not?

Jose doesn't really need any comparison. His numbers speak for themselves.

Nellie_Fox
08-02-2006, 12:18 AM
Random choices. Why not?Random? Really? Did you draw their names out of a hat? Close your eyes and throw a dart at a list of every hall of famer?

I'll tell you why not. Aparicio and Ozzie Smith were defensive geniuses. Canseco had a fly ball hit him in the head and go over the fence for a homer. Comparing the offensive stats of Luis and Ozzie to the rest is ridiculous.

ewokpelts
08-02-2006, 12:26 AM
Random choices. Why not?

Jose doesn't really need any comparison. His numbers speak for themselves.roids cancels out his achievements

"wrong" sox fan
08-02-2006, 01:15 AM
not sure.

IF he is, just barely. With out a doubt a Hall of Fame talent, but injuries really hurt his chances in this 30's. I'm really on the fense about his stats. He slugged a ton but was only a little better than average in terms of getting on base. He also wasn't really known was a great defender.


I'm on the fence.

ewokpelts
08-02-2006, 01:31 AM
not sure.

IF he is, just barely. With out a doubt a Hall of Fame talent, but injuries really hurt his chances in this 30's. I'm really on the fense about his stats. He slugged a ton but was only a little better than average in terms of getting on base. He also wasn't really known was a great defender.


I'm on the fence.and what part do roids play in your consideration?

StatHead21
08-02-2006, 01:40 AM
No, even if he didn't do steroids.

"wrong" sox fan
08-02-2006, 01:49 AM
and what part do roids play in your consideration?

they don't, I'm not sure if he belongs in the hall or not based on stats alone... If his stats alone warrented it, I may look at the issue, however at the same time, what rule did he break? Yes, over the past year MLB has shown that their was a rule on the books but every former player/ manager who has been asked of it claim they don't remember ever being told about it.

fquaye149
08-02-2006, 02:41 AM
I for one, would like to know

I'm not big on numbers as the be all and end all, but Jose's 400+ HR's do speak volumes. He also had a slew of great seasons, including his 1988 40/40 season (the first of its kind).

Honestly though, the reason I think he should be there is because during his heyday he was by far the biggest superstar in baseball. He was electric and people like me, who didn't give a **** about the A's gave a **** about the A's because of Jose Canseco. Only Ken Griffey Jr. had that effect in my lifetime, and if there's any doubt HE's a HOFer, then I'm crazy...

Nellie_Fox
08-02-2006, 08:47 PM
...what rule did he break? Federal law. Good enough for you?

Oblong
08-02-2006, 08:58 PM
Nope. Even without the controversy. He was great for a few years but not very good for long enough. Outfielders get held to a higher standard.

Sox Fan 35
08-03-2006, 09:59 AM
not even close.

"wrong" sox fan
08-03-2006, 10:14 AM
Federal law. Good enough for you?


Yes he broke the law but so has anyone in the MLB who has had a DUI. Should they be banned from the HoF? Sure plenty of contracts have a clause stating that they expect the pro athlete to live a positive life but when do we ever hear about people actually getting cut for breaking it, only when they're sucking.


Major League baseball had no rule regarding roids until the early 90's and even that rule has been discredited by people in the game claiming that noone ever made mention of it.

KMKsuburbannoise
08-03-2006, 10:31 AM
Never liked the guy even when he was in Chicago.

Reasons not to like Canseco:

1. Wife Beater
2. Steroids
3. Coward
4. Didn't do anything for the Sox
5. Arrogant
6. Shamed the game of baseball
7. Juiced

Oblong
08-03-2006, 10:51 AM
I've always wondered if a guy like Mickey Mantle would have turned into a Canseco if he had played in today's environment. There's a lot more money and a lot more opportunities to get messed up into things.

Deuce
08-03-2006, 11:19 AM
:bashbro

No.