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PKalltheway
08-01-2006, 01:27 AM
As far as career stats go, which one of these clubs is the most prestigious? I picked the 300 wins club, since you're a lock for the Hall of Fame if you achieve that milestone (unless your name is Phil Niekro). Call me crazy, but I think that the 3,000 strikeout club comes a close second because there are only thirteen members in that club. In 1975, there were only two members in that club: Bob Gibson and Walter Johnson!:o: Also, keep in mind that Pedro Martinez and Curt Schilling could achieve the 3,000 strikeout plateau by the end of the season (Martinez currently has 2,974 k's and Schilling has 2,970).

SouthSide_HitMen
08-01-2006, 02:58 AM
3,000 Hits mean you were very good - good enough to play a long time.

After further consideration I'd select this option.

Wins are somewhat dependant on the team one plays for (supporting offense and bullpen).

Home Runs are somewhat dependant on the ballpark one plays in and the era they are playing in.

Hits are as well (dead ball vs. live ball eras) but there are no gimmicks to 3,000 hits - it takes many years of excellent play.

Steroids and small ball parks have made the 500 HR barier not as impressive as it once was.

Strikeouts are impressive but not nearly as impressive as the other three.

gbergman
08-01-2006, 04:14 AM
300 wins. You can hit all the home runs you want, and still get credit if your team loses. 300 wins though means you had a great outing and the offense produced for you. If you pitch great and the offense doesnt produce you can lose, same if you pitch bad.

eastchicagosoxfan
08-01-2006, 06:20 AM
I think the 300 wins is the most exclusive club. There are twenty members, but nine played in either the 19th century ( 2 or three man rotation ) or the Dead Ball Era. That leaves:
Warren Spahn
Roger Clemens
Steve Carlton
Nolan Ryan
Don Sutton
Greg Maddux
Phil Niekro
Gaylord Perry
Tom Seaver
Lefty Grove
Early Wynn

To get 300 wins a pitcher must be very good for a long time. Grove is an exception because was great for almost all of his 17 seasons. The rest of the guys played at least 20 years.

soxfan26
08-01-2006, 10:43 AM
5,000 Strikeouts - only one member in that club.

Railsplitter
08-01-2006, 10:49 AM
3,000 K's. It's the most exclusive one.

BigPapaPump
08-01-2006, 10:55 AM
I think that Nolan Ryan's 7 No-Hitters is the most remarkable record and may never be broken.

Thome25
08-01-2006, 12:13 PM
I voted 3,000 hits because it's an amazing 200 hits a season for 15 seasons.

cbotnyse
08-01-2006, 12:24 PM
I had to vote 300 win club...Isnt that club basically closed for our lifetime? I think Tom Glavine is the only one even close and he probably wont get there.

viagracat
08-01-2006, 12:41 PM
Nowadays with five-man rotations and shorter outings, both 300 wins and 3,000 strikeouts will be highly difficult to achieve. You only get a couple 20-game winners in baseball a year these days, and a 15-win season is an accomplishment. Think about it: 20 wins per year for 15 years or 15 wins over 20, which is of course what Maddux did. You can probably count the 300-game winners in the next 40 years on one hand.

3,000 strikouts will also be a rare feat for pretty much the same reasons.

Home runs are nice and all, but they're not as integral to the game as pitching is, and I still have a bit of a sour taste toward that stat because of the doping scandal, and I think "smallball", pitching and defense are the way to go anyway if you want consistently winning baseball.

VenturaSoxFan23
08-01-2006, 01:35 PM
I went with the 300 wins, although the best club to be in is the .400 BA, which will rarely, if ever, be done again.

jackbrohamer
08-01-2006, 02:29 PM
5,000 Strikeouts - only one member in that club.

Like the 500 Win Club.

1951Campbell
08-01-2006, 02:33 PM
300 wins, its level of exclusivity can only go up as time goes on.

voodoochile
08-01-2006, 02:36 PM
300 wins, its level of exclusivity can only go up as time goes on.

I would have voted 500HR a decade ago, but steroids and tight baseballs have made a mockery of those records, IMO. 300 wins is damned impressive and becoming harder and harder to attain because of the 5 man rotations.

TDog
08-01-2006, 02:43 PM
I would have voted 500HR a decade ago, but steroids and tight baseballs have made a mockery of those records, IMO. 300 wins is damned impressive and becoming harder and harder to attain because of the 5 man rotations.

When Ernie Banks hit his 500th home run it was a much huger deal than when it was done by the next Cub to do it or that former Cub first baseman who drifted between Baltimore and Texas.

Before steroids became an issue, the importance of 500 home runs was diminished.

voodoochile
08-01-2006, 03:03 PM
When Ernie Banks hit his 500th home run it was a much huger deal than when it was done by the next Cub to do it or that former Cub first baseman who drifted between Baltimore and Texas.

Before steroids became an issue, the importance of 500 home runs was diminished.

I remember when the newspapers were whining about Kingman being the first player with 400 HR not in the HOF. That was in the mid-80's. Now no one even considers it an issue.

caulfield12
08-01-2006, 03:10 PM
The 400 win club, two members.

PKalltheway
08-01-2006, 03:36 PM
I remember when the newspapers were whining about Kingman being the first player with 400 HR not in the HOF. That was in the mid-80's. Now no one even considers it an issue.
Sort of like how people were saying Fred McGriff wasn't going to get into the HOF if he got to 500 home runs. He ended up falling short at 493.

StatHead21
08-01-2006, 05:38 PM
How about the 1.000+ OPS club with 6 real members, 1 roid enhanced member

1. Babe Ruth 1.164
2. Ted Williams 1.116
3. Lou Gehrig 1.080
4. Barry Bonds 1.053*
5. Jimmy Foxx 1. 038
6. Hank Greenberg 1.017
7. Rogers Hornsby 1.010

Pujols, Manny Ramirez and Helton are the active members that have a chance to add to this exclusive list.

cbotnyse
08-01-2006, 05:46 PM
How about the 1.000+ OPS club with 6 real members, 1 roid enhanced member

1. Babe Ruth 1.164
2. Ted Williams 1.116
3. Lou Gehrig 1.080
4. Barry Bonds 1.053*
5. Jimmy Foxx 1. 038
6. Hank Greenberg 1.017
7. Rogers Hornsby 1.010

Pujols, Manny Ramirez and Helton are the active members that have a chance to add to this exclusive list.fixed your post. :D: thats a damn fine club though.

Save McCuddy's
08-01-2006, 10:54 PM
3000 k's. No more dominating weapon in the game than the k. There's no dependence upon ball park size or defensive capabilities if you don't allow the ball into play.

soxfanreggie
08-02-2006, 12:20 AM
I think for managers, no one is coming close to Connie Mack...

3,731 wins
7,755 games coached

Only 3 seasons as a player manager.

He won 5 WS titles, which is nice, not the most, but nice. His career winning pct. is only .486, but nobody is likely to coach as long as he did. His winning pct. really declined though later in his career. You can't match his longevity though as a manager.

fquaye149
08-02-2006, 03:44 AM
what? no love for the 40/40 club?

Joosh
08-02-2006, 04:49 AM
what? no love for the 40/40 club?

That was the exact thought that I had in my head while reading these posts. To me, there is nothing more exclusive. The 40/40 club shows all dimensions of your playing ability: The ability to hit for power and to run the bases well with speed. Only three members of this exclusive club. The only person I could see with a shot at this club is Soriano.

MrRoboto83
08-02-2006, 08:19 AM
I vote 3000 hits. 500 HR record has been kinda tainted a bit.

ChiSoxFan7
08-02-2006, 05:22 PM
300 wins it will be a long long time before we see another pitcher have the endurance, the greatness, and just overall amazing athletic ability to do this

IIRC there is no one close to getting to this in the majors soon...i believe it was posted here A LONG LONG LONG time ago that MB maybe an option if he pitches another 11 years with and avg of 17 wins or something like

ChiSoxFan7
08-02-2006, 05:25 PM
That was the exact thought that I had in my head while reading these posts. To me, there is nothing more exclusive. The 40/40 club shows all dimensions of your playing ability: The ability to hit for power and to run the bases well with speed. Only three members of this exclusive club. The only person I could see with a shot at this club is Soriano.

well if ESPN and JOHN CROOK:angry: is making him out to what he really is then BOBBY ABREU time:redneck

jackbrohamer
08-03-2006, 11:52 AM
I think for managers, no one is coming close to Connie Mack...

3,731 wins
7,755 games coached

Only 3 seasons as a player manager.

I agree with this, the number of wins is amazing, though it helped his longevity that he owned the team. By contrast, Tony LaRussa leads active managers with 2,214 wins through last season. If he averages .500 seasons, he would have to manage another 18+ seasons, until he is 80 years old, to tie Connie Mack.