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The Dude
07-31-2006, 12:48 PM
If you had to replace one bullpen arm either by the waiver deadline or next season via trade or release....who would it be and why him???

BeviBall!
07-31-2006, 12:50 PM
It would have to be McCarthy. There's a starting position for him, somewhere in 2007... hopefully here though.

jenn2080
07-31-2006, 12:50 PM
Neal Cotts. He has basically been getting rocked lately...However I think it is only when he relieves Vazquez but he just isnt meeting the potential of guys like Thorton or McDugual.

kwolf68
07-31-2006, 12:52 PM
Cotts in trade. He's a lefty that throws fairly hard and is still young. I also think we may have some workable relief solutions in the minors.

The Dude
07-31-2006, 12:53 PM
I'm going with Cotts because his inability to get out of jams and his style this season is starting to resemble Cliff Politte. 2005 Cotts=stud, 2005 Politte= stud . Both of them 2006= below average.

CommanderPudge72
07-31-2006, 12:53 PM
Neal Cotts. He has basically been getting rocked lately...However I think it is only when he relieves Vazquez but he just isnt meeting the potential of guys like Thorton or McDugual.

Correctomundo....put me down for Cotts....can't hold a lead lately...

Huisj
07-31-2006, 12:55 PM
McCarthy, because him being out of the bullpen would mean that one of our underachieving overpriced starters was gone, thus putting McCarthy in the rotation.

DaleJRFan
07-31-2006, 12:55 PM
somewhat on the topic, but... What's up with Ozzie's use of Riske? Does he not trust him in high-leverage situations? There have been several situations where Ozzie used Cotts and McCarthy, to watch it bite him in the ass when he had Riske ready to go...

MarySwiss
07-31-2006, 12:55 PM
Actually, looking at that list made me feel pretty good. I too went with Cotts, but I really don't think we have anyone in there who's flat out bad.

PAPChiSox729
07-31-2006, 12:59 PM
He's a lefty that throws fairly hard and is still young.

That's why I wouldn't replace him. I voted Riske because I just don't think he has the stuff to overpower guys and get out of jams. He is nice to have in there, though. MacDougal hasn't pitched that much so I really couldn't pick him.

Chicken Dinner
07-31-2006, 01:01 PM
Cott's is pitching better than McCarthy. If you think Javy's pitching bad, give McCarthy a start and see what happens.

BNLSox
07-31-2006, 01:01 PM
Wow looking at that list the only change that I could even want is McCarthy and thats just having him in the starting 5. Lets replace him with Shield :)

buehrle4cy05
07-31-2006, 01:04 PM
Cotts just because he's been ineffective lately and we already have a dominant lefty set-up man.

Dan Mega
07-31-2006, 01:06 PM
Thorton has 0 votes so far. Not surprising, the guy has been a monster!

kwolf68
07-31-2006, 01:08 PM
That's why I wouldn't replace him. I voted Riske because I just don't think he has the stuff to overpower guys and get out of jams. He is nice to have in there, though. MacDougal hasn't pitched that much so I really couldn't pick him.


Riske is just a solid fill in guy. I do agree that I hate trading young lefties with potential. Trading Gio, Haigwood, Lumsden does worry me, but I haven't seen Cotts throw a decent breaking pitch ever.

With his delivery the way the ball comes out of his hand, it appears his fastball looks faster than it really is (a good 92 on the gun). If he could add an 84 mile per hour change to that and keep the same motion the guy could be awesome, but he doesn't have anything else.

The reason I'd deal him is I think we could get better talent in return. Riske would bring very little on the open market despite the fact he is a quite dependable pitcher.

But your point is still a good one.

Mohoney
07-31-2006, 01:12 PM
Cotts is going to win this in a landslide. He's in the middle of a pretty bad stretch. It just seems like he has no idea where the ball is going the last few times out.

Domeshot17
07-31-2006, 01:17 PM
funny how this timelast year people were yelling cotts should be the closer, or moved back to the rotation.

He'll find it, and we'll be glad we kept him.

digdagdug23
07-31-2006, 01:47 PM
Someone actually voted for Jenks??????

Just back away NOW.

:bong:

The Dude
07-31-2006, 01:57 PM
Cotts is going to win this in a landslide. He's in the middle of a pretty bad stretch. It just seems like he has no idea where the ball is going the last few times out.

Yeah I really think he's got it wrapped up!:tongue:

I can't believe that there's a vote for Jenks? Jake5824, please explain yourself!:o:

jenn2080
07-31-2006, 02:06 PM
Yeah I really think he's got it wrapped up!:tongue:

I can't believe that there's a vote for Jenks? Jake5824, please explain yourself!:o:


Jake5824 is full of stellar posts. One big ball of baseball knowledge. Thanks for the ignore button

The Dude
07-31-2006, 03:27 PM
Jake5824 is full of stellar posts. One big ball of baseball knowledge. Thanks for the ignore button

Good idea, he is #46 on my list!:D:

A. Cavatica
07-31-2006, 03:53 PM
It's either got to be Jenks' left arm or Cotts' right arm.

WSox597
07-31-2006, 04:54 PM
Trade Cotts for a mangy dog, then shoot the dog.

J/K, but he needs to go, and right now.

The way he's pitching, he need never darken a mound again while wearing a Sox uniform.

KyWhiSoxFan
07-31-2006, 05:13 PM
If we had to replace an arm, it would be none of the above. I would want to replace Garcia's right arm. It's shot.

goon
07-31-2006, 06:19 PM
Actually, looking at that list made me feel pretty good. I too went with Cotts, but I really don't think we have anyone in there who's flat out bad.

agreed. on paper that is one kick ass bullpen, they have just been inconsistent.

in fact it almost pisses me off to look at that list because it makes me think about how good they should be. :?:

cheezheadsoxfan
07-31-2006, 06:36 PM
McCarthy, because him being out of the bullpen would mean that one of our underachieving overpriced starters was gone, thus putting McCarthy in the rotation.

Ditto. Preferably Javy.

Patrick134
07-31-2006, 06:58 PM
Correctomundo....put me down for Cotts....can't hold a lead lately...

Lately being one game yesterday.

DickAllen72
07-31-2006, 07:28 PM
It would have to be McCarthy. There's a starting position for him, somewhere in 2007... hopefully here though.

Ditto.

bigdommer
07-31-2006, 07:42 PM
I feel great about the arms in the bullpen, but it does worry me about how Ozzie uses them. I don't like Cotts as a situational guy, as I would prefer to see him start the 7th after Javy gets pounded in the 6th.

FWIW, I was at the Friday game vs. the O's, when my non-Sox fan friend was flabergasted by the arms that game in at the end of the game. McDougal comes in with 98 from the right, Thornton with 99 from the left, and Jenks with 100 from the right. After seeing it in person, I felt pretty good, and the only thing about the bullpen that worries me is Ozzie.

CommanderPudge72
07-31-2006, 08:10 PM
Lately being one game yesterday.

Nope. Honestly, I was being kind with saying lately...more like most of the season.

Haven't you seen Cotts dugout dance more than once this year?

Be more than willing to let you have him on your fantasy team.

chisoxfanatic
07-31-2006, 08:11 PM
McCarthy. What I'd do if I were in charge of running things at 35th & Shields is can Vazquez, move McCarthy to the starting rotation, and put a nice long relief guy in his place.

Chips
07-31-2006, 08:48 PM
Cotts, but I like the bullpen the way it is now. Him and Jenks both pitched bad yesterday. Cotts bothers me with the amount of inherited runners he lets scores.

rdwj
07-31-2006, 08:58 PM
Right now, I'd say Cotts, but I have confidence that he'll return to form

The Dude
07-31-2006, 11:49 PM
McCarthy. What I'd do if I were in charge of running things at 35th & Shields is can Vazquez, move McCarthy to the starting rotation, and put a nice long relief guy in his place.

I agree for the move to the rotation next season for McCarthy, but for now we just have to keep going with Vaz and see if he can work through this mental ****. He's a much better pitcher than this and we have to hope Coop can work his magic ala Jose with Javier.

palehozenychicty
08-01-2006, 01:54 AM
Cotts. He throws hard, but doesn't have a breaking pitch to save his life. If he could develop a change or a curve....

ShoelessJoeS
08-01-2006, 02:01 AM
Votes for Thronton and Jenks = :dtroll:

I voted for Cotts. He has been stuggling to get it going all season. If there's anyone that scares me with runners in scoring position with less than 2 outs, it's Neal. I'm just hoping that 2005 wasn't a fluke like it was for Cliff.

EDIT: and I've been extremely impressed by MacDougal since his arrival (nice job KW)

Chips
08-02-2006, 12:02 AM
Thornton. That miserable rat bastard cost Mark a win tonight

The Dude
08-02-2006, 12:05 AM
Thornton. That miserable rat bastard cost Mark a win tonight

Well the two votes for him just came in I believe. Perfect timing!:rolleyes: