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Ol' No. 2
07-31-2006, 11:02 AM
Yesterday's game got me to wondering. Is it just me or does Vazquez get beat by dinky hits more than anyone you've ever seen? If you had told me before yesterday's game that he would give up one solo HR and 5 singles, I'd have been jumping for joy. Yet somehow he managed to get charged with 5 earned runs on a solo HR and an assortment of bloopers, dribblers and seeing-eye grounders. So I got curious and started looking up some numbers:

ERA: 5.44 - worst of Sox starters
SO: 98 - most of any Sox starter
HR: 14 - second lowest to Contreras
H/9: 9.95 - second lowest to Contreras
WHIP: 1.37 - second lowest to Contreras
SLG: .425 - second lowest to Contreras

So it's not as if he's getting pounded - he just seems to give up a lot of dinky singles and somehow he allows more of them to score. It makes no sense, but there it is.

Of course, the bullpen didn't do him any favors AGAIN. And this has been happening pretty consistently:

Bullpen support:
17 runners left/11 runners allowed to score by BP (65%)
11 of his 76 ER were allowed to score by the bullpen (14%)

Both of these are the highest percentages of any Sox starter.

If this is just bad luck it's the worst run of luck I've ever seen. What's up with this guy? How does he get beaten so consistently on such cheap hits?

miker
07-31-2006, 11:05 AM
It must be mental because this year is right in line with his entire MLB career. Where is this "potential" that all the "experts" supposedly saw in him as he has bounced from team to team?

Gavin
07-31-2006, 11:07 AM
I wish there was a stat that showed opposing teams' slugging against pitching. That would probably confirm the "dinky singles" hypothesis.

KMKsuburbannoise
07-31-2006, 11:07 AM
i think it is the way he pitches. his pitches allow for that.

viagracat
07-31-2006, 11:09 AM
Everything get magnified when the team scuffles. Everyone sits around and waits for the one bad inning he always seems to have; usually the sixth, and I think, to a point, he almost expects that to happen, too. You're done if you think that way on the mound.

He was getting his props when the Sox were winning because as 2 pointed out, his overall stats aren't bad.

Wins will forgive all sins. Real or otherwise. Hey, that almost rhymes.:cool:

samram
07-31-2006, 11:09 AM
He just seems to let a lot of silly stuff affect him. He gives up a bloop hit and he freaks out about having a guy on base and suddenly there's a crooked number on the board. He is the epitome of the "one bad inning" pitcher. He's been around long enough to be over that, but apparently he isn't.

Chicken Dinner
07-31-2006, 11:11 AM
I think Javy also wears himself out by having to throw 6+ pitches to every batter because he throws so many balls.

dickallen15
07-31-2006, 11:12 AM
A couple of lead off walks and another hit batter doomed him as well. He's one of those guys when the game is close who will pitch just well enough to lose.

TheOldRoman
07-31-2006, 11:13 AM
And one of the most important things - for some reason, Mackowiak seems to start in center every time Vazquez pitches. Mackowiak will misplay at least 1 ball every single game. Yesterady's misplay came up big. I can think of at least three times that a Mackowiak misplay came back to haunt Javier, big time.
If you have someone as mentally fragille on the mound, you better damn well put someone in center who wont make hits out of routine outs.

Does anyone have a stat of how many times Mackowiak has started with Vazquez? I would imagine he has started more games with Vazquez than with any other pitcher.

1951Campbell
07-31-2006, 11:18 AM
Javier is a fairly solid journeyman who can be counted on for a .500 record and around 200 IP. Being on a defending World Series champ and receiving instruction from Coop can only erase so many flaws. After a certain point, "you are what you are," to quote Bill Parcels. It's time to stop looking for some elusive "potential" to be realized. He's a much better 5th starter than the Sox have had in the recent past and that is about all we can be grateful for.

itsnotrequired
07-31-2006, 11:34 AM
Does anyone have a stat of how many times Mackowiak has started with Vazquez? I would imagine he has started more games with Vazquez than with any other pitcher.

Mackowiak has started in 8 of Vazquez's 20 starts.

JB98
07-31-2006, 11:41 AM
Yesterday's game got me to wondering. Is it just me or does Vazquez get beat by dinky hits more than anyone you've ever seen? If you had told me before yesterday's game that he would give up one solo HR and 5 singles, I'd have been jumping for joy. Yet somehow he managed to get charged with 5 earned runs on a solo HR and an assortment of bloopers, dribblers and seeing-eye grounders. So I got curious and started looking up some numbers:

ERA: 5.44 - worst of Sox starters
SO: 98 - most of any Sox starter
HR: 14 - second lowest to Contreras
H/9: 9.95 - second lowest to Contreras
WHIP: 1.37 - second lowest to Contreras
SLG: .425 - second lowest to Contreras

So it's not as if he's getting pounded - he just seems to give up a lot of dinky singles and somehow he allows more of them to score. It makes no sense, but there it is.

Of course, the bullpen didn't do him any favors AGAIN. And this has been happening pretty consistently:

Bullpen support:
17 runners left/11 runners allowed to score by BP (65%)
11 of his 76 ER were allowed to score by the bullpen (14%)

Both of these are the highest percentages of any Sox starter.

If this is just bad luck it's the worst run of luck I've ever seen. What's up with this guy? How does he get beaten so consistently on such cheap hits?

His problem is he melts down mentally after a dinky single, and that leads to a big inning. In addition, he walks guys, which makes a seeing-hit hit more likely to hurt him. Take yesterday for example. He walked the leadoff man in the first, and the Orioles singled him to death. He walked the leadoff man in the third, and the Orioles singled him to death. He beaned Patterson in the sixth, and that's what got the line moving. He gives the opposition too many free baserunners.

It's hard for me to categorize Vazquez as unlucky because he has received tremendous run support throughout much of the year.

White Sox Randy
07-31-2006, 11:44 AM
Yes, he's an enigma.

Now, I just wish he was someone else's enigma.

stl_sox_fan
07-31-2006, 11:46 AM
And one of the most important things - for some reason, Mackowiak seems to start in center every time Vazquez pitches. Mackowiak will misplay at least 1 ball every single game. Yesterady's misplay came up big. I can think of at least three times that a Mackowiak misplay came back to haunt Javier, big time.
If you have someone as mentally fragille on the mound, you better damn well put someone in center who wont make hits out of routine outs.

Does anyone have a stat of how many times Mackowiak has started with Vazquez? I would imagine he has started more games with Vazquez than with any other pitcher.
Allright I had free time over lunch.

Javier has 21 starts this year. Mack has started 11 of those games in Center. He has also come off the bench in 4 other games Javier started.

Jerko
07-31-2006, 11:52 AM
As much as I bitch about not using the opening day lineup more than 20% of the time, I can't blame Mack for Javy giving up 5 runs every 5th or 6th inning 13 games in a row.

JB98
07-31-2006, 11:53 AM
As much as I bitch about not using the opening day lineup more than 20% of the time, I can't blame Mack for Javy giving up 5 runs every 5th or 6th inning 13 games in a row.

True. I don't think BA could have caught the grand slam Monroe hit off Vazquez in Detroit. Nor could he have caught the homers by Cuddyer and Morneau last week.

CommanderPudge72
07-31-2006, 11:57 AM
Yeah, he is not very bad till the 6th.

Recipe For The Vazquez 6th Special:

1 walk
1 dink hit to CF in front of Mack
1 hit batsman
1 seeing eye single
1-2 base hits
or
1 HR

And there you have it, a simple recipe for a loss...only about 20 minutes prep time...serves about 1 team.

or the Vazquez Formula

(javy start + 6th inning - 9 run lead going into it)(X starts for the past to months) = Trouble for the Sox

TheOldRoman
07-31-2006, 11:59 AM
Allright I had free time over lunch.

Javier has 21 starts this year. Mack has started 11 of those games in Center. He has also come off the bench in 4 other games Javier started.
Thanks. And how many of those starts have come in June/July, when Vazquez started to tank?

I am not saying that it is all Rob's fault, but it seems like a horrible play by Rob is in the middle of ever Vazquez meltdown.

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2006, 12:17 PM
I wish there was a stat that showed opposing teams' slugging against pitching. That would probably confirm the "dinky singles" hypothesis.It was included in the list in my original post. His 0.425 SLG is second lowest on the team to Contreras. I didn't include BB/9, but it's 2.36, which is second highest on the team. But the wrinkle is that it's Contreras who has the highest BB/9 and he's been the most successful pitcher. So I don't think you can attribute Vazquez problems to excessive BB. His P/IP is on the high side, but not atypical for a strikeout pitcher (his K/9 7.02, which is by far the highest on the team. Also, his K/BB is also the highest on the team.

Again, just looking at the stats, you'd never predict he'd be having the trouble he's having. He doesn't give up much, but for some reason, the other team seems to bunch their hits more than normal. Maybe he's just not very good pitching from the stretch? I just can't figure it out.

Gavin
07-31-2006, 12:26 PM
Sorry I missed that SLG stat. It boggles me too. How many pitchers are their very finest between pitches 31-75 and absolutely AWFUL from pitches 1-30 and 75+. The 75+ I can understand, but his main problem is that he gives up runs to both begin and end his start. The latter is easily fixed: take him out earlier, but the former seems pretty tricky...

Pitch # | ERA | WHIP | BAA
1-15: 6.62 1.19 .250
15-30: 6.00 1.28 .217
31-45: 1.74 1.11 .247
46-60: 2.12 1.35 .219
61-75: 3.20 1.27 .293
76-90: 9.72 1.92 .373
91+: Trainwreck.

I like how between 31-75 his WHIP / BAA is all over the place yet his ERA is still decent. Before and after that runs are just doled out when someone gets on base.

Fake Chet Lemon
07-31-2006, 12:32 PM
He never tries to put anyone away quickly. When he gets ahead of a hitter he starts screwing around, throwing balls trying to get batters to chase. The hitters see a number of pitches, gauge him, and are able to get the bat on the ball and get all those "dinky" hits.

And I also can't understand Ozzie's decision to always give Vazquez the worst defensive outfield possible. How the Hell does that ever help a struggling pitcher?!!!!

Gavin
07-31-2006, 12:35 PM
He never tries to put anyone away quickly. When he gets ahead of a hitter he starts screwing around, throwing balls trying to get batters to chase. The hitters see a number of pitches, gauge him, and are able to get the bat on the ball and get all those "dinky" hits.

And I also can't understand Ozzie's decision to always give Vazquez the worst defensive outfield possible. How the Hell does that ever help a struggling pitcher?!!!!

:vazquez:
"I only lost this game because of the crappy defense."

Paulwny
07-31-2006, 12:38 PM
Again, just looking at the stats, you'd never predict he'd be having the trouble he's having. He doesn't give up much, but for some reason, the other team seems to bunch their hits more than normal. Maybe he's just not very good pitching from the stretch? I just can't figure it out.

It's simple, a bloop hit, an error and he thinks "here we go again!" , it started in ny and continues today. He's become a mental midget when faced with adversity.

White Sox Randy
07-31-2006, 12:43 PM
I agree with some of the things sadi here.

If we're going to go down, I would rather go down with our regulars - meaning our best defensive team.

So what, if Mack, Ozuna and Cintron sit more. We need to MAKE the playoffs. Play our guys !

batmanZoSo
07-31-2006, 12:43 PM
Javier is a fairly solid journeyman who can be counted on for a .500 record and around 200 IP. Being on a defending World Series champ and receiving instruction from Coop can only erase so many flaws. After a certain point, "you are what you are," to quote Bill Parcels. It's time to stop looking for some elusive "potential" to be realized. He's a much better 5th starter than the Sox have had in the recent past and that is about all we can be grateful for.
The problem is, 1-4 aren't so hot as to allow us to dismiss Vazquez as a "mere number 5." It was supposed to a case where anything we got out of him was a bonus. But Buehrle and Garcia have been inconsistent and Garland decided to extend his offseason by two months.

samram
07-31-2006, 12:50 PM
The problem is, 1-4 aren't so hot as to allow us to dismiss Vazquez as a "mere number 5." It was supposed to a case where anything we got out of him was a bonus. But Buehrle and Garcia have been inconsistent and Garland decided to extend his offseason by two months.

Actually, it wasn't supposed to be a bonus- he's supposed to be a 2-3 starter pitching in the fifth spot in the Sox rotation. If they just wanted bonus contributions from a fifth starter, they could have signed Paul Byrd or some other guy for $3.5M.

hawkjt
07-31-2006, 12:51 PM
Ozzie openly criticized Javy after he threw his arms in the air yesterday after the Gibbons homer. Obviously ozzie shares the opinion that javy cannot let stuff mess with his head when he is on the mound.

Be mentally tougher, javy.

A. Cavatica
07-31-2006, 12:53 PM
Interesting observations, 2. He has pitched better on average than his results, so he may have just had a run of bad luck. If so, his results will improve and we'll marvel at his amazing turnaround.

Case in point: Buehrle had a very unlucky stretch a couple of years ago, and people thought he was pitching poorly. Then his luck turned and people thought he'd fixed something. He was really the same pitcher from start to finish.

What's troubling about Vaz is his problems don't look like bad luck. Other teams do bunch their hits: Vaz has real problems the third time through the lineup (or in the sixth inning, if you prefer) and he seems to collapse mentally once the hits start falling. This could have started as bad luck, but now it looks like crippling self-doubt.

kwolf68
07-31-2006, 12:58 PM
I don't think Vazquez is a championship pitcher, never has been and never will be.

If he can't handle a misplayed ball, a bad call, or a bloop single how could he ever expect to pitch us to a Championship?

I understand the thinking we had when we traded a proven (though ordinary) relief pitcher, a good young prospect, and a proven post-season veteran for him....Kenny saw the ability much the same way he saw it with Thornton (except we got Thornton for nothing and gave up quite a bit for Vaz).

Trouble is, Thornton's problem was physical and Coop fixed it in relatively short order. Vazquez's problems are mental and usually there isn't a damn thing you can do about that. The minor leagues are full of highly skilled players who don't have the smarts, heart, courage, moxie, etc...to make that next step.

If we could get 2 good prospects for Vazquez I'd ship him away in a heartbeat. He will provide nothing to this team in the post-season run. The only reason he hasn't lost 10 or 12 games already is because of our offensive support we've given him.

Man Soo Lee
07-31-2006, 01:03 PM
He doesn't give up much, but for some reason, the other team seems to bunch their hits more than normal. Maybe he's just not very good pitching from the stretch?
A blog comment (http://southsidesox.com/comments/2006/7/25/02358/0195/25#25) from last week suggests pitching from the stretch has been a problem for Vazquez. His current numbers:

None on: .249/.321/.381/.702
Runners: .307/.349/.476/.825

Mohoney
07-31-2006, 01:08 PM
I'm glad to see this thread. I thought I was going crazy because I was noticing this. It always seems to be infield hit, bloop hit, home run.

Sooner or later, something's gotta give. Either the bloopers stop falling, or he starts giving up solid hits, but I can't see this kind of stuff continuing unabated for an entire season.

Paulwny
07-31-2006, 01:15 PM
I'm glad to see this thread. I thought I was going crazy because I was noticing this. It always seems to be infield hit, bloop hit, home run.

Sooner or later, something's gotta give. Either the bloopers stop falling, or he starts giving up solid hits, but I can't see this kind of stuff continuing unabated for an entire season.

This has been going on since he was a yankmee. Hell, an entire season, looks like a part of his career.

Lip Man 1
07-31-2006, 01:18 PM
I think it's a mental block with him. As soon as the 6th or 7th inning comes around he 'expects' something bad to happen and it does. A self-fulfilling prediction.

The guy has a million dollar arm, a great change up and a very good fastball. His curve isn't great (Hawk says that's part of his problem--he uses it to much.) but he's had success in the bigs before.

Maybe the Sox need to have him contact a sports psychologist.

Paging Dr. Harvey Meisel!

Lip

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2006, 01:22 PM
I'm glad to see this thread. I thought I was going crazy because I was noticing this. It always seems to be infield hit, bloop hit, home run.

Sooner or later, something's gotta give. Either the bloopers stop falling, or he starts giving up solid hits, but I can't see this kind of stuff continuing unabated for an entire season.If it was just a game or two, you could put it down to bad luck. But when it happens game after game, it's hard to call it luck. No one seems to be able to hit anything hard, yet they put up a bunch of runs. He had two double-play balls in the first inning yesterday that weren't turned because they were hit TOO SOFTLY. I don't know any pitcher anywhere who wouldn't take all the ground balls they can get. Somehow, the ones hit off Vazquez always seem to find the holes.

PalehosePlanet
07-31-2006, 01:31 PM
If it was just a game or two, you could put it down to bad luck. But when it happens game after game, it's hard to call it luck. No one seems to be able to hit anything hard, yet they put up a bunch of runs. He had two double-play balls in the first inning yesterday that weren't turned because they were hit TOO SOFTLY. I don't know any pitcher anywhere who wouldn't take all the ground balls they can get. Somehow, the ones hit off Vazquez always seem to find the holes.

Buehrle also seems to give up at least 1 or 2 infield hits and a bunt hit or 2 every time out. Problem:We're not pitching out of jams -- at all. The problem with all of our pitchers is that we are allowing WAY too many 2 out runs. And I'm not only talking about runners-in-scoring position-situations. It seems like an inordinate amount of time there are 2 outs and a man on first and we give up a double to score him. AAAHHHH!! ...maddening.

Hitmen77
07-31-2006, 01:49 PM
Thanks. And how many of those starts have come in June/July, when Vazquez started to tank?

I am not saying that it is all Rob's fault, but it seems like a horrible play by Rob is in the middle of ever Vazquez meltdown.

I agree. Yes, it's Javy's fault that he's prone to meltdowns, but why not put the best possible defense out there to try to prevent the meltdown? Having BA sit on the bench when Javier is pitching just makes it that much more likely that a bloop hit will fall in leading to disaster.

Making sure Vazquez gets the blame for these losses isn't going to win us ballgames - it still counts as a loss against the Sox. I don't believe in the defeatist attitude that since Vazquez is going to blow it anyway, so why even bother trying to tighen up the defense for him. Whatever happened to trying to "grind" out a win?

Foulke You
07-31-2006, 01:50 PM
Buehrle also seems to give up at least 1 or 2 infield hits and a bunt hit or 2 every time out. Problem:We're not pitching out of jams -- at all. The problem with all of our pitchers is that we are allowing WAY too many 2 out runs. And I'm not only talking about runners-in-scoring position-situations. It seems like an inordinate amount of time there are 2 outs and a man on first and we give up a double to score him. AAAHHHH!! ...maddening.
This has definitely been a disturbing trend for the last 20 games. I think I've seen more 2 out runs against us in the last 3 weeks than I did for the entire 2005 campaign.

Another bad trend that has developed (and Vazquez isn't the only guilty party) is coughing up the lead IMMEDIATELY after scoring runs. How many times have we put runs on the board in the top of the inning only to give up runs in the bottom of the inning?

MadetoOrta
07-31-2006, 01:50 PM
There are pitchers like Javy at every level of baseball - little league on up - who have great stuff but can lose it on the mound after a cheap hit. Javy believes the sky will fall when something bad happens - error, cheap hit, walk etc .... He's like Greg Norman or Colin Montgomery trying to win a major 10 years ago. Once something bad happens, the roof caves in. I'm not a sports shrink so I have no answers.:dunno:

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2006, 02:12 PM
A blog comment (http://southsidesox.com/comments/2006/7/25/02358/0195/25#25) from last week suggests pitching from the stretch has been a problem for Vazquez. His current numbers:

None on: .249/.321/.381/.702
Runners: .307/.349/.476/.825Up until recently, he had a tendency to get whacked throwing that lazy breaking ball. Maybe he just has more of a tendency to hang it when throwing from the stretch. But he hasn't thrown that one in at least the last two games. To be fair, he almost got out of it yesterday with only 3 ER, but Cotts didn't do him any favors. Vazquez probably had a better chance of stranding those runners.

tstrike2000
07-31-2006, 02:24 PM
I think Javy also wears himself out by having to throw 6+ pitches to every batter because he throws so many balls.

That's been part of his problem the last few years. Going 2-2, 3-2 to several hitters has hurt him. Also, his inability to consistantly pitch inside to righties also hurts him. A walk here, hit batter there, single, double and occasional homer sneak up to bite him more than any other pitcher it seems.

nevr say dye sox
07-31-2006, 02:54 PM
Why wouldn't KW try to trade Vazquez for Maddux. From the looks of it right now, Cubs aren't going to get any value for Maddux and Vazquez may help them in the 5th spot. I think Maddux is a hell of an improvement in the 5th spot than Vazquez.

The Immigrant
07-31-2006, 02:59 PM
Why wouldn't KW try to trade Vazquez for Maddux. From the looks of it right now, Cubs aren't going to get any value for Maddux and Vazquez may help them in the 5th spot. I think Maddux is a hell of an improvement in the 5th spot than Vazquez.

:nuts:

Only if the Cubs throw in Ronnie Woo-Woo!

doctorlecter
07-31-2006, 09:13 PM
He's a much better 5th starter than the Sox have had in the recent past and that is about all we can be grateful for.

Jon Garland was our fifth starter last year.

StepsInSC
07-31-2006, 10:56 PM
What's sad is that he has 14 HRs surrendered by is still 2nd BEST on the team in that category...

I think right now comparing him to the other members of this pitching staff and ranking him as 1st or 2nd on the team is not too telling as the entire staff, sans Jose, is underperforming.

dickallen15
07-31-2006, 11:01 PM
The White Sox fifth starter at the beginning of 2003 was Esteban Loaisa. He wasn't bad that season. In fact, a lot better than Vazquez has ever been, and a lot cheaper.

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2006, 11:11 PM
If you don't like Vazquez, it could be worse. Kenny Rogers just stunk it up AGAIN in Tropicana. He's not just getting beat...he's getting thrashed game after game. How come everyone beats this guy like a pinata except us?

samram
07-31-2006, 11:15 PM
If you don't like Vazquez, it could be worse. Kenny Rogers just stunk it up AGAIN in Tropicana. He's not just getting beat...he's getting thrashed game after game. How come everyone beats this guy like a pinata except us?

The Sox always have one game per season where they bash him- and it hasn't happened yet. Stay tuned.

batmanZoSo
07-31-2006, 11:16 PM
If you don't like Vazquez, it could be worse. Kenny Rogers just stunk it up AGAIN in Tropicana. He's not just getting beat...he's getting thrashed game after game. How come everyone beats this guy like a pinata except us?

We have yet to face him in the second half where he invariably sucks.

samram
07-31-2006, 11:18 PM
We have yet to face him in the second half where he invariably sucks.

I think they faced him in the third game of the last series, but he was obviously cheating, so he pitched well.

batmanZoSo
07-31-2006, 11:21 PM
I think they faced him in the third game of the last series, but he was obviously cheating, so he pitched well.

Yeah it hadn't taken effect yet at that point. But yeah, he's a cheater and will be beaten severely.

Ol' No. 2
07-31-2006, 11:28 PM
Yeah it hadn't taken effect yet at that point. But yeah, he's a cheater and will be beaten severely.Actually, his second half suckfest was well underway when the Sox faced him last. Here's his last 7 starts.

Jun 24 5.1 IP, 6 R, 5 ER
Jun 30, 4.1 IP, 5 R, 5 ER
Jul 5, 5.2 IP, 4 R, 4 ER
Jul 14, 4.0 IP, 5 R, 5 ER
Jul 20, 6.0 IP, 1 R, 1 ER
Jul 25, 0.2 IP, 7 R, 7 ER
Jul 31, 5.0 IP, 6 R, 5 ER

See if you can pick out the one game against the Sox.:angry::angry::angry:

samram
07-31-2006, 11:32 PM
Actually, his second half suckfest was well underway when the Sox faced him last. Here's his last 7 starts.

Jun 24 5.1 IP, 6 R, 5 ER
Jun 30, 4.1 IP, 5 R, 5 ER
Jul 5, 5.2 IP, 4 R, 4 ER
Jul 14, 4.0 IP, 5 R, 5 ER
Jul 20, 6.0 IP, 1 R, 1 ER
Jul 25, 0.2 IP, 7 R, 7 ER
Jul 31, 5.0 IP, 6 R, 5 ER

See if you can pick out the one game against the Sox.:angry::angry::angry:

Which only strengthens the case for selective cheating. Shame on you, Kenny Rogers. Shame on you.

batmanZoSo
07-31-2006, 11:38 PM
Actually, his second half suckfest was well underway when the Sox faced him last. Here's his last 7 starts.

Jun 24 5.1 IP, 6 R, 5 ER
Jun 30, 4.1 IP, 5 R, 5 ER
Jul 5, 5.2 IP, 4 R, 4 ER
Jul 14, 4.0 IP, 5 R, 5 ER
Jul 20, 6.0 IP, 1 R, 1 ER
Jul 25, 0.2 IP, 7 R, 7 ER
Jul 31, 5.0 IP, 6 R, 5 ER

See if you can pick out the one game against the Sox.:angry::angry::angry:
:hawk
Heh...well no.2 thas just um'bleevable...

AnkleSox
08-01-2006, 12:01 AM
Actually, his second half suckfest was well underway when the Sox faced him last. Here's his last 7 starts.

Jun 24 5.1 IP, 6 R, 5 ER
Jun 30, 4.1 IP, 5 R, 5 ER
Jul 5, 5.2 IP, 4 R, 4 ER
Jul 14, 4.0 IP, 5 R, 5 ER
Jul 20, 6.0 IP, 1 R, 1 ER
Jul 25, 0.2 IP, 7 R, 7 ER
Jul 31, 5.0 IP, 6 R, 5 ER

See if you can pick out the one game against the Sox.:angry::angry::angry:


Well the sox had been playing some serious corpseball during the stretch in which that game fell. Hopefully the series against the O's and this one against the royals will bring the bats back to life, and they'll tag him for 7 runs in 0.0 IP next time they face him.