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Credefan21
07-28-2006, 05:55 PM
I know you guys act like he is the second coming of the great mighty lord, but he hasn't been consistent this year. He was GREAT as a starter, but in the bullpen this year, not so much..... If he is going to continue to stay in the bullpen, I see nothing wrong with trading him as long as we could get somebody like Zito or Redman. If he is going to start, keep him... Because that is where he shines.. But in the bullpen... He has not been all that wonderful. If Kenny is not going to make any kind of trade (I believe he should, and asking the players opinions shouldn't effect his decision like he is allowing it too) they should at LEAST move Javier into the bullpen. I don't care how much money this guy is making. We want to win ballgames and get back to the world series. He can cry about it all he wants. If he walks, we will start Bmac. If that is the only way to get it where Bmac can start where he belongs, than Javier.. Allow me to show you the door.

nasox
07-28-2006, 05:57 PM
Wow, that is the dumbest arguement for trading the future I have ever heard.

Redman for Fingernails? WOW. Just WOW!

Credefan21
07-28-2006, 06:00 PM
If we aren't going to start him then why not. He isn't the savior you guys make him out to be in the bullpen.. When he is a starter.. That is a different story. Redman has actually been really good for KC, if he came here he would be alot better. Redman has improved.

Malgar 12
07-28-2006, 06:01 PM
If we aren't going to start him then why not. He isn't the savior you guys make him out to be in the bullpen.. When he is a starter.. That is a different story. Redman has actually been really good for KC, if he came here he would be alot better. Redman has improved.

Is Redman as starter better the McCarthey as a starter? I doubt it. If we need a starter move McCarthey into the rotation.

Credefan21
07-28-2006, 06:02 PM
You guys act like trading Bmac for Zito would be a horrible idea.... Cmon get real. You can't say that he has been great this year in the bullpen...

Credefan21
07-28-2006, 06:03 PM
Did you not read my first post? I said IF he is going to continue to stay in the bullpen. I have stated numerous amount of times that Bmac should be starting right now because that is when he is great.

JB98
07-28-2006, 06:16 PM
You guys act like trading Fingernails on a blackboard for Zito would be a horrible idea.... Cmon get real. You can't say that he has been great this year in the bullpen...

It is a horrible idea. Zito is quite expensive and might leave via free agency. Brandon comes cheap, and he's five years away from free agency.

Jurr
07-28-2006, 06:23 PM
Did you not read my first post? I said IF he is going to continue to stay in the bullpen. I have stated numerous amount of times that Fingernails on a blackboard should be starting right now because that is when he is great.
You just clarified the ridiculousness of your statement.

McCarthy WILL be a starter for the Sox next year. Vazquez or Garcia will be out of a spot more than likely, and Brian will get his chance. So, you say tha t because the kid's not kicking total ass in the bullpen, (where he definitely isn't used to being) he's expendable for one of two guys that bring you possibly a little more stability NOW but God knows what in the future.

You just said as a starter, McCarthy is great. He has the potential to be very, very good. Let's not give him a chance to be very, very good for the A's.

Credefan21
07-28-2006, 06:28 PM
Well Bmac being in the bullpen won't cost us the playoffs or that many ballgames, him not being in the starting lineup THIS YEAR and leaving Javier in there very well could cost us even more than it already has. I'd like to go back to the playoffs this year, not saying Javy is going to cost us the playoffs, but God knows he has costed us some games. I am saying Bmac not being in the rotation this year is hurting us. You are talking about next year or the year after.. Which is fine to look forward, but right now I am more worried about this year because this is the present and Javy is in a constant midgame meltdown.

WMG
07-28-2006, 06:40 PM
BMAC is one of the most valuable players in baseball right now.

He proved he can pitch in the big leagues,

and

he works for pennies on the dollar for at at least three more seasons.

If the MLB blew up the league and had a draft to restart BUT the players kept their current contracts.... BMAC is a first rounder.

Corlose 15
07-28-2006, 06:44 PM
You're going around in circles. You want to improve this year and you admit that he'd be a good starter and yet you want to trade him for Mark Redman? Do you realize how silly that sounds?

If Javy is the problem then just switch him and McCarthy. Why in the hell would the Sox trade McCarthy?

Tragg
07-28-2006, 06:54 PM
Trading him for Redman or to rent Zito would be idiotic. The Royals and As would jump so fast at that that it would be done a week ago.
He's the only grade A young arm we have...the question is, why the hell is he pitching low leverage middle-relief innings instead of in the rotation (I can answer my own question...that's where Ozzie wants him).

JB98
07-28-2006, 06:54 PM
You're going around in circles. You want to improve this year and you admit that he'd be a good starter and yet you want to trade him for Mark Redman? Do you realize how silly that sounds?

If Javy is the problem then just switch him and McCarthy. Why in the hell would the Sox trade McCarthy?

I'm on the record as wanting to stand pat, but if I were to do anything, I'd deal for Vazquez for whatever I could get and move McCarthy into the rotation.

Gavin
07-28-2006, 07:07 PM
I don't think BAndy has done much better than any AAA callup. That is, I don't think he's MLB-caliber yet, but he's getting a lot better.

Credefan21
07-28-2006, 11:28 PM
Whydid I suggest trading Brandon? Because no one is going to take Javy's expensive contract and the fact that he has sucked completely. The whole point of this topic was that why not trade him if he is going to stay in the bullpen. I clearly stated that ONLY because he was in the bullpen. I figured I made it clear enough for everyone to understand.. Guess not...

hawkjt
07-29-2006, 01:20 AM
McCarthys era for the last two months is 1.99

He is doing fine and we need to retain him for the future. We sink or swim with our current staff.

DMarte708
07-29-2006, 01:33 AM
Fingernails on a Blackboard? Uh, am I missing something here?

I know we have nicknames for certain players, but where's the connection between "Fingers on a Blackboard" and McCarthy?

lol, and offering Redman for Brandon? That's utterly ridiculous.

Deuce
07-29-2006, 01:33 AM
The whole point of this topic was that why not trade him if he is going to stay in the bullpen.If he stays in the bullpen, it is because we don't need him as a starter. Why then would we trade him for a starter? We don't need to trade Fingernails on a blackboard for a starter. He is one... its just that we don't have a spot for him.

Besides, we need a long reliever... mostly because of Javy (and Burlymon, as of late). Trading Fingernails on a blackboard is about the worst move I can think of given the current state of the team.

CaptainBallz
07-29-2006, 04:09 AM
Fingernails on a Blackboard? Uh, am I missing something here?

I know we have nicknames for certain players, but where's the connection between "Fingers on a Blackboard" and McCarthy?

lol, and offering Redman for Brandon? That's utterly ridiculous.

Ugh!!! I can't even read this frickin thread w/ "Fingernails" this and "Fingernails" that. Can we change "Fingernails on a Blackboard" to show up as "Donkey Punch"?

LauraJ14
07-29-2006, 09:16 AM
I know you guys act like he is the second coming of the great mighty lord, but he hasn't been consistent this year. He was GREAT as a starter, but in the bullpen this year, not so much..... If he is going to continue to stay in the bullpen, I see nothing wrong with trading him as long as we could get somebody like Zito or Redman. If he is going to start, keep him... Because that is where he shines.. But in the bullpen... He has not been all that wonderful. If Kenny is not going to make any kind of trade (I believe he should, and asking the players opinions shouldn't effect his decision like he is allowing it too) they should at LEAST move Javier into the bullpen. I don't care how much money this guy is making. We want to win ballgames and get back to the world series. He can cry about it all he wants. If he walks, we will start Fingernails on a blackboard. If that is the only way to get it where Fingernails on a blackboard can start where he belongs, than Javier.. Allow me to show you the door.


Brandon is not a reliever, this is the first time in his career he has been used as a reliever so there is an adjustment he has to make.
I don't think Ozzie always uses him correctly, such as when he goes righty/left matchups and Brandon pitches to 2 batters. He was awesome in the Boston game where he pitched 4 innings.
I want to see in the rotation in place of Vazquez but I am not the manager or the GM.

jdieter
07-29-2006, 10:38 AM
Instead of trading pitching I'd rather see Ozzy quit trying to get the starters a win by leaving them in. All the talking heads say this will deplete the pin..... I don't see it,with the McDougal addition we have plenty of pin depth. The other knock is killing the starters confidence by pulling them too early, ya so they feel much better by either loosing a lead or leaving with the bases juiced and then being pulled. Ozzy had it a little easier managing his starting pitching last year and he seems to keep last years style with this years starters and it's not working.

kitekrazy
07-29-2006, 11:18 AM
Fingernails on a Blackboard? Uh, am I missing something here?

I know we have nicknames for certain players, but where's the connection between "Fingers on a Blackboard" and McCarthy?



I guess it was more of an invitation to see how senseless this thread really is. It makes no sense to trade a kid with proven big league success. Even medicore to below medicore pitchers are not cheap in FA. (Loaiza) McCarthy may not be that easy to replace.

markopat
07-29-2006, 11:43 AM
yuk

:threadblows:

viagracat
07-29-2006, 11:59 AM
I know you guys act like he is the second coming of the great mighty lord, but he hasn't been consistent this year. He was GREAT as a starter, but in the bullpen this year, not so much..... If he is going to continue to stay in the bullpen, I see nothing wrong with trading him as long as we could get somebody like Zito or Redman. If he is going to start, keep him... Because that is where he shines.. But in the bullpen... He has not been all that wonderful. If Kenny is not going to make any kind of trade (I believe he should, and asking the players opinions shouldn't effect his decision like he is allowing it too) they should at LEAST move Javier into the bullpen. I don't care how much money this guy is making. We want to win ballgames and get back to the world series. He can cry about it all he wants. If he walks, we will start Fingernails on a blackboard. If that is the only way to get it where Fingernails on a blackboard can start where he belongs, than Javier.. Allow me to show you the door.

You really enjoy that "Fingernails on a blackboard" crap, don't you? :?:

Here's an idea: try calling him "McCarthy"

And no, you don't trade him as he WILL be starting next year; maybe later this year. With some questions regarding the rotation right now, this is not the time to move a potential starter as promising as McCarthy.

See how easy that was?

Credefan21
07-29-2006, 01:22 PM
Obviously some people still cannot understand what I was trying to say so some bring out the "this thread blows" stuff.. He isn't needed as a starter? Have you watched Javier? Some of you act like I hate Brandon, which isn't the case cause I think he is talented, just not nearly as effective in the bullpen. And no Ozzie doesn't use him very effictively... So some of it may be Ozzie's fault. Who knows.

kitekrazy
07-29-2006, 05:14 PM
Some of you act like I hate Brandon, which isn't the case cause I think he is talented, just not nearly as effective in the bullpen.

No that's not it. We just think your ideas would not make you GM of the year.
Your title was also odd.

Credefan21
07-29-2006, 05:40 PM
No worries. We will agree to disagree then :) Everyone has different opinions.