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Jjav829
07-26-2006, 10:31 PM
And I use the term "shakeup" loosely because it isn't a big issue. It's time for Thome to start batting 5th against lefties. I've been a proponent of batting Thome 3rd since he got here. And I still believe that should happen...against righties. But it's clear that against lefties we need to move Dye up and Thome down.

Thome against lefties: .256/.373/.395/.768 OPS 5 HR, 14 RBI, 19 BB
Dye against lefties: .398/.488/.724/1.212 OPS 9 HR, 19 RBI, 20 BB

That's an alarming difference. I don't see how Ozzie can continue to ignore that much longer. Dye's OPS against lefties is more than .400 higher than Thome's OPS!

I'm not blaming Thome at all for anything and I'm not interested in making a change just to make a change. But this is clearly something that would benefit our lineup.

Against righties our 3-4-5 should stay the same as it is now; Thome-Konerko-Dye. But against lefties, Ozzie needs to switch Dye and Thome. Our next game is against a guy who has been one of the better lefties in the league over the past two months. Hopefully Ozzie is considering this strongly.

samram
07-26-2006, 10:35 PM
Yeah, I agree. Although I'm not sure what difference it makes since no one gets on base in the first inning anyway unless Thome homers.

dwalteroo
07-26-2006, 10:38 PM
I completely agree, and I'd even argue that a lineup shift is needed for righties. We are running into a mess right now, and more than anything a shakeup is needed. NO MORE 1-RUN HOME RUNS.

This is a team of hitters so you know we have the firepower - it's just a matter of stoking the fire, ensuring we get men on base before the big bats come. Whatever it takes at this point, if we need to involve AJ and Crede into some more elaborate lineup - I say we mix it up.

CHIsoxNation
07-26-2006, 10:38 PM
That's a great point, Jjav. I never really thought about that but it makes a whole lot of sense.

Save McCuddy's
07-26-2006, 11:09 PM
While in principal I've agreed with Ozzie's position on Thome hitting 3 evry game -- a losing streak like this one gives him a free pass to juggle the card.

JorgeFabregas
07-26-2006, 11:15 PM
This lineup should be tried a few times. What's the worst that could happen?

jongarlandlover
07-26-2006, 11:17 PM
Hmm, I've never really thought about that, but that's a really good idea. Ozzie should try it for a game.

StatHead21
07-26-2006, 11:46 PM
And I use the term "shakeup" loosely because it isn't a big issue. It's time for Thome to start batting 5th against lefties. I've been a proponent of batting Thome 3rd since he got here. And I still believe that should happen...against righties. But it's clear that against lefties we need to move Dye up and Thome down.

Thome against lefties: .256/.373/.395/.768 OPS 5 HR, 14 RBI, 19 BB
Dye against lefties: .398/.488/.724/1.212 OPS 9 HR, 19 RBI, 20 BB

That's an alarming difference. I don't see how Ozzie can continue to ignore that much longer. Dye's OPS against lefties is more than .400 higher than Thome's OPS!

I'm not blaming Thome at all for anything and I'm not interested in making a change just to make a change. But this is clearly something that would benefit our lineup.

Against righties our 3-4-5 should stay the same as it is now; Thome-Konerko-Dye. But against lefties, Ozzie needs to switch Dye and Thome. Our next game is against a guy who has been one of the better lefties in the league over the past two months. Hopefully Ozzie is considering this strongly.


I go Konerko-Thome-Dye vs lefties when I play PS2, funny that you bring this up, I've been thinking this since day 1. But Dye-Konerko-Thome would probably work better.

ChiSoxFan7
07-27-2006, 12:04 AM
Yeah, I agree. Although I'm not sure what difference it makes since no one gets on base in the first inning anyway unless Thome homers.
:cower:'04 re-visited.:thud:

but with all honesty, i think that anything to shake up the lineup will do. I'd much rather see this happen with dye and thome switch then get from a trade (in what would be an over priced deal)...*shiver* Soriano....

CYGarland20
07-27-2006, 01:24 AM
And I use the term "shakeup" loosely because it isn't a big issue. It's time for Thome to start batting 5th against lefties. I've been a proponent of batting Thome 3rd since he got here. And I still believe that should happen...against righties. But it's clear that against lefties we need to move Dye up and Thome down.

Thome against lefties: .256/.373/.395/.768 OPS 5 HR, 14 RBI, 19 BB
Dye against lefties: .398/.488/.724/1.212 OPS 9 HR, 19 RBI, 20 BB

That's an alarming difference. I don't see how Ozzie can continue to ignore that much longer. Dye's OPS against lefties is more than .400 higher than Thome's OPS!

I'm not blaming Thome at all for anything and I'm not interested in making a change just to make a change. But this is clearly something that would benefit our lineup.

Against righties our 3-4-5 should stay the same as it is now; Thome-Konerko-Dye. But against lefties, Ozzie needs to switch Dye and Thome. Our next game is against a guy who has been one of the better lefties in the league over the past two months. Hopefully Ozzie is considering this strongly.I wouldn't mind seeing a regular lineup of Pods, Iguchi, Dye, Thome, Pk, AJ, Crede, Uribe, Anderson.............. I think its safe to say that Dye has been our best hitter this year, and I'd like to see more people on base when Thome comes to the plate.

nug0hs
07-27-2006, 02:04 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing a regular lineup of Pods, Iguchi, Dye, Thome, Pk, AJ, Crede, Uribe, Anderson.............. I think its safe to say that Dye has been our best hitter this year, and I'd like to see more people on base when Thome comes to the plate.

I occasionally feel that this is the lineup we are gonna have to win it with and we should be sticking with it on a more regular basis.

QCIASOXFAN
07-27-2006, 02:04 AM
. But Dye-Konerko-Thome would probably work better.Exactly! I think this lineup would work out great. I just don't think Thome is a good fit right now in the 3 spot. We need to stager more hits 1-3 in the order and get people on base! Dye needs to be hitting 3rd again. I think with Pauly and Thome in the 4th and 5th spot this would help us more.

KyWhiSoxFan
07-27-2006, 07:48 AM
I believe those reasons are why KW wanted Soriano, to also DH against lefties.

the gooch
07-27-2006, 08:58 AM
Didn't Dye move into the 3 spot late in the season last year? About the time we took off?

WMG
07-27-2006, 09:15 AM
I like Thome later in the lineup, even against a right hander.

at least 25% of the time his third at-bat will be against a lefty and at least 75% of the time his fourth at-bat will be vs a lefty.

Frater Perdurabo
07-27-2006, 09:17 AM
This is a joke (where I'm poking fun at myself); there's no need to flame me....
:tongue: :redface: :tongue: :redface: :tongue:
Jjav, you can't expect me to let a thread like this go by without me mentioning that the Sox would be better off if Frank Thomas was still on the team to be the DH against LHP.
:tongue: :redface: :tongue: :redface: :tongue:

All kidding aside, I think switching Dye and Thome might be a good idea against LHP. I'm also assuming that in those games, Crede would hit sixth and Alomar would catch, because having Thome and A.J. back-to-back against lefties might not be wise.

Also, simply because he has better speed than Konerko and Thome, I'd kind of like to see Dye bat third, Thome fourth and Konerko fifth against RHP.

viagracat
07-27-2006, 10:21 AM
The #3 guy has to be a guy who gets on base, or at least makes contact, and has some power. Some power, not necessarily a home-run machine. The sluggers normally bat 4 or 5. If 1 and/or 2 get on base, which is what's supposed to happen but hasn't lately for the Sox, 3 is supposed to advance the runners. It might be a home run, it might be a single, it might be a productive out. You need a guy most likely to at least put the ball in play. The #3 shouldn't be leading the team in strikeouts.

The right guy is Jermaine Dye.

The stats comparing Dye and Thome, especially against lefties, are striking.

SOXfnNlansing
07-27-2006, 10:27 AM
I like your idea. It seems like lately that when Thome comes up, I almost anticipate a K or ground out 4-1. Maybe if Dye and Konerko are on base, Thome would be more dangerous coming up to the plate.

If Uribe is on 2nd with 2 outs and Thome is coming up to the plate, it's almost guaranteed Thome can't get the job done with a lefty pitcher.

roadrunner
07-27-2006, 04:29 PM
This is a totally kickass idea. thome is not nearly as dangerous against lefties. i would also be happy if i never saw pods bat against a lefty ever again. Granted, he comes through on a rare occasion but he mostly just looks silly and confused (pods that is). At least last year he could beat out an infield hit or even bunt. Having them hit one and three against lefties just doesn't make sense anymore.

Ol' No. 2
07-27-2006, 04:36 PM
All kidding aside, I think switching Dye and Thome might be a good idea against LHP. I'm also assuming that in those games, Crede would hit sixth and Alomar would catch, because having Thome and A.J. back-to-back against lefties might not be wise.

Also, simply because he has better speed than Konerko and Thome, I'd kind of like to see Dye bat third, Thome fourth and Konerko fifth against RHP.If you switched Dye and Thome you would probably flip AJ and Crede to avoid the back-to-back lefties. I've been thinking about this for a while, too. Lineup juggling is usually something you do when you don't know what else to do.

:jerry Why are you looking at me?

OTOH it's worth a shot. It's not as if they could get much worse.

Chicken Dinner
07-27-2006, 04:43 PM
I'd try switching AJ and Crede anyway.

Scottzilla
07-27-2006, 04:53 PM
I was gonna come in here and say the same thing about JD batting in the 3 spot.
Doesnt anyone in here have Ozzies email? :?:

If these guys are all such great team players, they should be ok with being shuffled around in the lineup.

nasox
07-27-2006, 05:01 PM
Doesnt anyone in here have Ozzies email? :?:

Email Brooks.

BadBobbyJenks
07-27-2006, 07:25 PM
Well in MVP Baseball I put thome 5th against lefties and let me tell you it works out fantastic.

wags1978
07-28-2006, 02:27 AM
There is always baseball theory and sabermatics and all that...but I think Thome is THE 3 and will remain THE 3 simply for mental reasons.....remember all those games we won with Thome as THE 3? 2nd best record in baseball untill today.....It's not a shakeup that is necessary, just let the boys play


though i still feel sick when we get behind

wags1978
07-28-2006, 02:28 AM
meant this weak not "today"...now i feel silly