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whitesoxwilkes
07-25-2006, 10:46 PM
have at it.

WizardsofOzzie
07-25-2006, 10:46 PM
We got hosed that whole damn game. Im so frustrated

zmz723
07-25-2006, 10:46 PM
it was widgers fault!
oh, never mind

kittle42
07-25-2006, 10:47 PM
Blah, blah, blah. Maybe when they win a game, I'll care. Can I get the last two weeks of my life back?

WSox8404
07-25-2006, 10:47 PM
We got hosed that whole damn game. Im so frustrated

Enough with this looking for excuses bull****. Go out there and win a ****ing game or two for once. That actually works sometimes.

gbergman
07-25-2006, 10:47 PM
can we not give up late runs, and score runs without hitting homers

edit: merge made thread after not seeing one for 5 mins

Green
07-25-2006, 10:47 PM
Sigh. :angry: :angry:

patbooyah
07-25-2006, 10:47 PM
Fun(?) Fact: The last time Konerko got a hit that wasn't a home run? July 14th.

ShoelessJoeS
07-25-2006, 10:47 PM
The Twins are garbage on the road...what's the deal?

Jason Bartlett is a piece a ****, and so is Cuddyer.....I needed to get that off my chest.

rowand33
07-25-2006, 10:47 PM
the long hot summer continues.

don't even know what to say.

shame we wasted another good pitching performance

lakeviewsoxfan
07-25-2006, 10:47 PM
I said it all game NO CLUTCH HITTING AT ALL. The last time the CWS scored a man with 2 out without a HR was 7/18.

slobes
07-25-2006, 10:47 PM
No words can express my sorrow here. It's beyond ridiculous now.

JUribe1989
07-25-2006, 10:47 PM
This is the ultimate choke-job right here.

Green
07-25-2006, 10:48 PM
Fun(?) Fact: The last time Konerko got a hit that wasn't a home run? July 14th.

When's the last time we got a run that wasn't a homer?

Foulke You
07-25-2006, 10:48 PM
Some pretty poor umpiring tonight. Sometimes Hawk exaggerates about the umps strike zones, tonight he wasn't exaggerating. There were two different zones going. Blown calls at 3B and 1B that went against us too. Tough breaks but that is the way it goes when you're losing.

Some tremendous defense by the Twins though. Cuddyer's catch was a heartbreaker, I thought the game was tied.:(:

TheDarkGundam
07-25-2006, 10:48 PM
it was widgers fault!
oh, never mind
I'm sure that bastard had a hand in this...somehow...

Anyway, how are the Pollyannas gonna spin this one?
C'mon, I wanna hear some **** about "perspective". :rolleyes:

Dan Mega
07-25-2006, 10:48 PM
Fun(?) Fact: The last time Konerko got a hit that wasn't a home run? July 14th.

Wow. Now thats a slump.

I really thought they were going to pull it out at the end. That Cuddyer catch killed the Sox.

WizardsofOzzie
07-25-2006, 10:48 PM
Enough with this looking for excuses bull****. Go out there and win a ****ing game or two for once. That actually works sometimes.

I wasn't trying to make excuses. good teams will play over bad breaks, but we got screwed a couple of times that game, not to mention the wider strike zone for santana. You can only play over so many bad breaks

QCIASOXFAN
07-25-2006, 10:48 PM
Fun(?) Fact: The last time Konerko got a hit that wasn't a home run? July 14th.That is not a very fun fact. His average is dropping like the mercury in December.:angry:

rowand33
07-25-2006, 10:48 PM
When's the last time we got a run that wasn't a homer?

sunday

lowestofthelow
07-25-2006, 10:48 PM
Let's all go out and enjoy our last night being on top of the wild card race!

SpartanSoxFan
07-25-2006, 10:49 PM
:puking: :puking: :puking:

MrX
07-25-2006, 10:49 PM
I thought the corpseball era was supposed to be dead:(:

Bad hitting and good Minnesota defense with some help from the umps (2 blown calls and 2 strikezones) equal another L.

ShoelessJoeS
07-25-2006, 10:49 PM
Fun(?) Fact: The last time Konerko got a hit that wasn't a home run? July 14th.:o:

Who needs small ball when you can just swing for the ****ing fences?

Grzegorz
07-25-2006, 10:49 PM
We didn't get hosed; we gave up another big inning. This game was very disappointing. On a positive note, Crede was clutch.

The White Sox cannot afford to fall behind the Twins. Buerhle has to be ready for a stellar outing tomorrow.

Forget stellar; just get the win. We need wins; we need the wild card.

kittle42
07-25-2006, 10:49 PM
No words can express my sorrow here. It's beyond ridiculous now.

This is exactly how I feel. Bartlett's HR was like feeling a punch after you've been hit about 50 times in a row. Not exactly quite the same sting.

WhiteSox1983
07-25-2006, 10:50 PM
Ozzie needs to learn to pool our pitchers after six for contreras, beuhrle and garcia, five for garland and vasquez. We need to let our bullpen beat these guuys.

vegyrex
07-25-2006, 10:50 PM
What's happening to us. :(:

QCIASOXFAN
07-25-2006, 10:50 PM
Bad calls and ridiculous defense by the Twins.

WizardsofOzzie
07-25-2006, 10:50 PM
We didn't get hosed; we gave up another big inning. This game was very disappointing. On a positive note, Crede was clutch.

The White Sox cannot afford to fall behind the Twins. Buerhle has to be ready for a stellar outing tomorrow.

Forget stellar; just get the win. We need wins; we need the wild card.

without the bad call at first it would be a tie game not a loss

stl_sox_fan
07-25-2006, 10:50 PM
That sinking feeling I had last August just won't go away. But that's why they schedule 162 of those things...

patbooyah
07-25-2006, 10:51 PM
When's the last time we got a run that wasn't a homer?

On sunday pods drove in two runs with ground balls. since then: all RBIs have come from homers.

PeoriaSoxFan
07-25-2006, 10:51 PM
This is exactly how I feel. Bartlett's HR was like feeling a punch after you've been hit about 50 times in a row. Not exactly quite the same sting.

Same boat here. Honestly, should a grown man be this depressed over a baseball team? Where is my prozac?

SoXPriDe33
07-25-2006, 10:51 PM
Must win game tomorrow to stay in second alone and to keep a wild card lead. I'll be there cheering them on. Tonight was just awful. How many games do it take a sox hitter to get a clutch hit?

NSSoxFan
07-25-2006, 10:51 PM
Ozzie needs to learn to pool our pitchers after six for contreras, beuhrle and garcia, five for garland and vasquez. We need to let our bullpen beat these guuys.

Wow.

:rolleyes:

SoxFan78
07-25-2006, 10:52 PM
The last time Sox won two games back to back...

7/5-7/6 vs. Baltimore.

Please Sox, win some ****ING GAMES!!!!

Its becoming like if the sox have the lead, im wondering how they are gonna lose this one.

August can't come soon enough.

Chisox1500
07-25-2006, 10:52 PM
The Sox are a bad team right now plain and simple. They find new ways to lose everyday. The listless start and cocky attitude out of spring training caught up with this team. They are not better than either Detroit or Minnesota.

wassagstdu
07-25-2006, 10:52 PM
When's the last time we got a run that wasn't a homer?

There's the problem: Sox leading MLB in percent of runs scored via HR. The cause: loss of faith in the ability of the pitching to hold the opposition. My opinion.

.

credefan24
07-25-2006, 10:52 PM
I liked when we used to WIN the first 2 games of a series.


The Sox rally late, but cannot tie the game,
Fans leave the park, shaking their heads in shame.
Detroits get rocked for 12 runs by the Tribe,
Somehow we can't end this losing slide.

When will it end, why can't we catch a break?
I hate losing our wild card stake.
Darn that Cuddyer, man he's so lame,
When do we get to see Bobby Jenks in a game?!

Cmon, this is agony!!!

SOXBOY
07-25-2006, 10:52 PM
Same team 2006=2004=2003.

mikeybooyah
07-25-2006, 10:52 PM
Fun(?) Fact: The last time Konerko got a hit that wasn't a home run? July 14th.

that is not fun at all you dark cloud.....PSYCH!

this is miserable, they have forgotten the fundamentals of the game. most importantly, they have forgotten how to have fun. this is going to be a tight race to the end, i still beleive that. :(

soxwon
07-25-2006, 10:53 PM
When's the last time we got a run that wasn't a homer?

sunday pods 2 rbis on ground outs

spiffie
07-25-2006, 10:53 PM
I'm sure that bastard had a hand in this...somehow...

Anyway, how are the Pollyannas gonna spin this one?
C'mon, I wanna hear some **** about "perspective". :rolleyes:
We're still ahead of the Twins. When we fall behind them then the perspective can shift. Until then we're still the team they are chasing.

http://www.epa.gov/pmresearch/pm_grant/images/sky.jpg

Corlose 15
07-25-2006, 10:53 PM
Oh, I've had enough of this ****.:angry:

Once, just once I'd like to see this team get a hit w/ RISP. All they can do is hit home runs and they're damn lucky if they're even 2 run shots. This is absolutely pathetic.

I'm with Kittle, call me when you somewhat resemble a quality baseball team.:angry:

soxfanreggie
07-25-2006, 10:53 PM
I am imposing a tv ban on myself. I turn the tv on and they hit a 3-run jack 2 nights in a row. I will not watch another game on TV until we win one and score a run w/o hitting a home run.

peeonwrigley
07-25-2006, 10:54 PM
There's the problem: Sox leading MLB in percent of runs scored via HR. The cause: loss of faith in the ability of the pitching to hold the opposition. My opinion.

.

And loss of faith in one another. Everyone thinks they have to pick up the slack because their teammates won't. They have to trust each other well enough to be singles hitters.

WizardsofOzzie
07-25-2006, 10:54 PM
that is not fun at all you dark cloud.....PSYCH!

this is miserable, they have forgotten the fundamentals of the game. most importantly, they have forgotten how to have fun. this is going to be a tight race to the end, i still beleive that. :(

I think most of us still believe but its getting harder by the day.

RadioheadRocks
07-25-2006, 10:54 PM
CRAPTACULAR

That about sums it all up.

slobes
07-25-2006, 10:54 PM
Fun(?) Fact: The last time Konerko got a hit that wasn't a home run? July 14th.
That may be the most depressing statistic I've ever heard.

WikdChiSoxFan
07-25-2006, 10:54 PM
Dark Clouds of the World! UNITE!!!


ugh...

Brian26
07-25-2006, 10:54 PM
Jason Bartlett is a piece a ****, and so is Cuddyer.....I needed to get that off my chest.

Those two guys kicked our asses tonight. Show some respect and tip your hat.

wassagstdu
07-25-2006, 10:54 PM
On sunday pods drove in two runs with ground balls. since then: all RBIs have come from homers.

Two bunts by Gload won that game (plus a heck of a performance by Garland of course). The exception that proves the rule.

.

TheOldRoman
07-25-2006, 10:55 PM
Ozzie needs to learn to pool our pitchers after six for contreras, beuhrle and garcia, five for garland and vasquez. We need to let our bullpen beat these guuys.
That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard all day. First of all, one of the three runs from that homer was put on base by a bad call. It was a ball that, on most nights, would have been a deep pop-up fielded by Uribe, and it somehow carried out. Jose pitched a great game, and he didn't deserve a loss.

PeoriaSoxFan
07-25-2006, 10:55 PM
On sunday pods drove in two runs with ground balls. since then: all RBIs have come from homers.

Minn hasn't gotten too many runs in this series, off Non HRs either. I wish we were them right now. How can they be beating us? 5 series losses in a row. 7-13 in July, 3-11 in last 14, and 2-9 since the break. I just don't get this. We are not this bad of a team. We are playing the worst baseball in the entire league right now other than the Dodgers. Part of me feels like jumping off the ledge, the other part still feel a turn around coming. It can't wait any longer. This is it.

ShoelessJoeS
07-25-2006, 10:55 PM
Our hitting is equally as bad as pitching right now. Hopefully this turns around.

soxwon
07-25-2006, 10:55 PM
Hey everyone says we will snap out of it and go on a tear
so i believe everyone!!!

JUribe1989
07-25-2006, 10:56 PM
Buehrle has to pitch his ass off tomorrow. If he ****s it up again, all momentum will be gone.

WizardsofOzzie
07-25-2006, 10:56 PM
That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard all day. First of all, one of the three runs from that homer was put on base by a bad call. It was a ball that, on most nights, would have been a deep pop-up fielded by Uribe, and it somehow carried out. Jose pitched a great game, and he didn't deserve a loss.

Agreed entirely

Grzegorz
07-25-2006, 10:56 PM
The White Sox are not scoring and have a tendency to give up a big inning. I don't know what to say except that tomorrow the sun will rise. Hopefully, the White Sox win and stay ahead of the Twins...

Crede_Fan
07-25-2006, 10:56 PM
Ozzie needs to learn to pool our pitchers after six for contreras, beuhrle and garcia, five for garland and vasquez. We need to let our bullpen beat these guuys.

:rolleyes: I am so glad that you are not Ozzie. The only one I agree with is Vazquez.

PeoriaSoxFan
07-25-2006, 10:56 PM
Buehrle has to pitch his ass off tomorrow. If he ****s it up again, all momentum will be gone.

What momentum? :?:

INSox56
07-25-2006, 10:56 PM
BUT GUYS! Silva has a 6+ ERA TOMORROW, WE CAN SURELY HIT THAT!

Sad that the teal is needed there..

Corlose 15
07-25-2006, 10:57 PM
Two bunts by Gload won that game (plus a heck of a performance by Garland of course). The exception that proves the rule.

.

That was a perfect example of how the Sox need to play. Mackowiak busting his ass down the line twice to reach base and Gload's bunting. Mix in some long ball, good defense, and good pitching and you've got it.

They played great on Sunday and haven't even come close since. :angry:

WizardsofOzzie
07-25-2006, 10:57 PM
:rolleyes: I am so glad that you are not Ozzie. The only one I agree with is Vazquez.

And he didn't spell Buehrle right :tongue:

Nellie_Fox
07-25-2006, 10:57 PM
Buehrle has to pitch his ass off tomorrow. If he ****s it up again, all momentum will be gone.What momentum might that be?

peeonwrigley
07-25-2006, 10:57 PM
Buehrle has to pitch his ass off tomorrow. If he ****s it up again, all momentum will be gone.

Its been gone. He needs to start it anew, and the offense has to blow someone out of the ****ing stadium for once as well. They need a statement game.

RadioheadRocks
07-25-2006, 10:57 PM
Hopefully someone can introduce Joey Cora to the following:

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:pAn7B2orbaxbiM:www.youngnaperville.co m/Video/stop_sign.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.youngnaperville.com/Video/stop_sign.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.youngnaperville.com/Video/band_pics.htm&h=1000&w=965&sz=70&tbnid=pAn7B2orbaxbiM:&tbnh=149&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstop%2Bsign&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2)

cburns
07-25-2006, 10:57 PM
As frustrated as I am right now, I can only imagine how the players feel.

Timmy D's
07-25-2006, 10:57 PM
I really thought we were going to pull that off, & more importamtly it was going to catapult us into a massive winning streak. Instead I'm all depressed. I've missed the last 2 games because I had shoulder surgery Monday morning, and am confined to the couch again tomorrow. I cant drink because of the pain meds I'm on, this is just not a fun time right now.:whiner:

Bar keep, more Vicadin for me and all my friends!!!!:gulp:

WizardsofOzzie
07-25-2006, 10:57 PM
:rolleyes: I am so glad that you are not Ozzie. The only one I agree with is Vazquez.

Edit: sorry, double post

ShoelessJoeS
07-25-2006, 10:58 PM
Those two guys kicked our asses tonight. Show some respect and tip your hat.Please take your advice elsewhere. It's not needed, nor wanted. If I want to vent under the rules of WSI, I'll vent.

Brian26
07-25-2006, 10:58 PM
That sinking feeling I had last August just won't go away. But that's why they schedule 162 of those things...

The night Torii Hunter ran over Burke like a mack-truck...I believe that was the last night the Sox were in first place. It was either 7/26 or 7/27 of '04. Sort of strange that two years later, the same situation...7/26/06

ChicagoHoosier
07-25-2006, 10:59 PM
When do we emotionally give up on the AL Central and just worry about the wildcard? Before tonight, I still thought we'd win this series. Felt the same after mullet night too. Wrong both times. I don't blame Contreras. He pitched well enough to win I feel. We need to get more runs than 3. Everyone talks about our offense that doesn't need help. IT DOES!

TheOldRoman
07-25-2006, 11:00 PM
BUT GUYS! Silva has a 6+ ERA TOMORROW, WE CAN SURELY HIT THAT!

Sad that the teal is needed there..
Yep, this team has made horrible pitchers look like Cy Young contenders for the past several years. Hell, we were just dominated by two Texas pitchers who probably shouldn't even be in the majors. Any good offense should be able to get at least 5 runs off of crap like Silva...

which means we will have two runs going into the 8th inning.:angry:

Nellie_Fox
07-25-2006, 11:00 PM
Hopefully someone can introduce Joey Cora to the following:

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:pAn7B2orbaxbiM:www.youngnaperville.co m/Video/stop_sign.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.youngnaperville.com/Video/stop_sign.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.youngnaperville.com/Video/band_pics.htm&h=1000&w=965&sz=70&tbnid=pAn7B2orbaxbiM:&tbnh=149&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstop%2Bsign&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2)It took a perfect throw to get Iguchi. We can't have it both ways; can't bitch that they're just waiting for homers and then bitch when aggressive running doesn't work. That was absolutely the right thing to do there; try to make something happen, force the other guys to make a play. They made the play, but it was still the right decision.

HotelWhiteSox
07-25-2006, 11:00 PM
Don't see what some people expected out of the offense, it's Johan Santana, a great pitcher, who especially owns us, so I will take it via the HR or whatever.

It's a slump, the team is playing like ****, it's not fun, but a team has to go through it, I guess better now when there is still time left (and games left against Min and Det). Positives, McDougal, Thornton, and a DET loss?

MrX
07-25-2006, 11:00 PM
Hopefully someone can introduce Joey Cora to the following:

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:pAn7B2orbaxbiM:www.youngnaperville.co m/Video/stop_sign.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.youngnaperville.com/Video/stop_sign.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.youngnaperville.com/Video/band_pics.htm&h=1000&w=965&sz=70&tbnid=pAn7B2orbaxbiM:&tbnh=149&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstop%2Bsign&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2)
What did Cora do? Are you talking about Gooch out at 3rd? That was a great throw that he wouldn't make again if you gave him 10 more tries plus Diaz blew the call

Corlose 15
07-25-2006, 11:01 PM
It took a perfect throw to get Iguchi. We can't have it both ways; can't bitch that they're just waiting for homers and then bitch when aggressive running doesn't work. That was absolutely the right thing to do there; try to make something happen, force the other guys to make a play. They made the play, but it was still the right decision.

Iguchi was safe too. I was pissed when it happened but that was really a kneejerk reaction. In hindsight it was a good call by Cora.

ChicagoHoosier
07-25-2006, 11:01 PM
Hopefully someone can introduce Joey Cora to the following:

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:pAn7B2orbaxbiM:www.youngnaperville.co m/Video/stop_sign.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.youngnaperville.com/Video/stop_sign.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.youngnaperville.com/Video/band_pics.htm&h=1000&w=965&sz=70&tbnid=pAn7B2orbaxbiM:&tbnh=149&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstop%2Bsign&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2)

I think Cora sending Iguchi (if he sent him, not Iguchi deciding to go on his own) was the right move. It took a GREAT throw and a questionable call to get him out. I think when it's that close, you be aggressive.

SoxFan78
07-25-2006, 11:02 PM
I don't know what can motivate this team any more. They have gone to being the best team in the league to being 7.5 back team in their own division.

You would think that losing all of these games would wake some of these guys up, but they haven't showed it.

Hopefully they will get out of this streak and start playing real White Sox baseball.

Cellview22
07-25-2006, 11:02 PM
Silva + Baltimore + KC = light at the end of the tunnel. Konerko breaking out of his slump would be nice too.

Too bad Cintron couldn't get a hit.. I can't imagine how different I'd be feeling now.. and the crowd was about to explode into World Series-esque chaos!

oeo
07-25-2006, 11:02 PM
Yet again, we get the bad end of unfair strikezones. Like Hawk said, Johan doesn't need any help...so stop helping him out, you ****head umpire.

Gooch was safe at third in the 6th. Couldn't catch the breaks...we're getting there, though. Hang in there, people, it'll get better (it can't get any worse).

Frontman
07-25-2006, 11:02 PM
Buehrle has to pitch his ass off tomorrow. If he ****s it up again, all momentum will be gone.

5 straight games in the "L" column from Buehrle will hurt more than anyone is willing to admit.

Gods honest truth, I've watched two games now that either bad calls or piss poor defense cost a pitcher a W. Garcia did fine on Sat, Jose was excellent tonight.

That catch by Cuddler (yeah, I know, but if you mis-spell his name, its something to make fun of) was just emotionally draining. Especially since it came off of AJ's bat at such an angle, you thought it was going out.

And no, this one isn't on Ozzie's shoulders. This one goes in the umpire's pocket. But the simple fact of the matter is that we need some damn good baseball out of these guys, without the Paulie "helmet grabs" and AJ's bat being slammed into the turf. Get out there, play baseball.

Considering I've remained a Bears fan even in the 4-12 seasons, I'm sure as hell not giving up on the Sox, but damn it; play to win. They were in this game at least, compared to Friday.

And solace for this night? At least the Tigers lost.

Front

INSox56
07-25-2006, 11:03 PM
...and a DET loss?

I refuse to make this into a good thing anymore. REFUSE. When it's close, ok that's cool. But when the ONLY thing we have to be happy about is other teams LOSING so we don't lose MORE ground, I refuse to call that a good thing.

whitesoxfan
07-25-2006, 11:03 PM
Silva + Baltimore + KC = light at the end of the tunnel. Konerko breaking out of his slump would be nice too.

Too bad Cintron couldn't get a hit.. I can't imagine how different I'd be feeling now.. and the crowd was about to explode into World Series-esque chaos!

Finally a post I agree with. There is definite light at the end of the tunnel. Thank god for a day game tomorrow. Let's put this loss behind us ASAP and come to the park and get a W tomorrow.

QCIASOXFAN
07-25-2006, 11:03 PM
Buehrle has to pitch his ass off tomorrow. If he ****s it up again, all momentum will be gone.We are 7-13 this month, I dont think we have much momentum. Either way I aree with you on the Buerhle part, he needs to be a big stopper!

Kwrubac
07-25-2006, 11:03 PM
My Sox My Sox....why have you forsaken me....:whiner:

Mohoney
07-25-2006, 11:04 PM
I know that there are no "must win" games in July, but tomorrow is just about as close to one as you can get.

Buehrle CAN'T **** the bed again.

RadioheadRocks
07-25-2006, 11:04 PM
I think Cora sending Iguchi (if he sent him, not Iguchi deciding to go on his own) was the right move. It took a GREAT throw and a questionable call to get him out. I think when it's that close, you be aggressive.

All valid points, but I'm not only referring to tonight's game. Look at the past week and a half, with Crede being thrown out at home (when you saw him lumbering after the turn you just KNEW that would happen), then AJ, my point is that this is just something that's bitten us several times over this stretch, not just tonight.

WizardsofOzzie
07-25-2006, 11:04 PM
Im going tomorrow. Come on Sox. Let me and my brothers 2nd game together go better than the first one

Brian26
07-25-2006, 11:04 PM
Please take your advice elsewhere. It's not needed, nor wanted. If I want to vent under the rules of WSI, I'll vent.

I'm venting too. But I'm more mad at our guys than their guys. How can you call Cuddyer and Bartlett ****? They played great baseball tonight. Give your opponent's the proper respect when they deserve it, and it will make it even more meaningful when you finally beat them.

The umps were questionable, but I put the blame on this lineup right now. Nothing is clicking.

TheOldRoman
07-25-2006, 11:04 PM
Hopefully someone can introduce Joey Cora to the following:

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:pAn7B2orbaxbiM:www.youngnaperville.co m/Video/stop_sign.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.youngnaperville.com/Video/stop_sign.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.youngnaperville.com/Video/band_pics.htm&h=1000&w=965&sz=70&tbnid=pAn7B2orbaxbiM:&tbnh=149&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstop%2Bsign&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2)
That is just plain dumb. This is as dumb as blaming Vazquez for THIS loss.
Cuddyer is a bad baseball player, but he made a perfect throw. Even the perfect throw was not enough to get Iguchi. It took the perfect throw AND a blown call to get Iguchi out.

WhiteSox1983
07-25-2006, 11:05 PM
And he didn't spell Buehrle right :tongue:

Im a little crunk after one too many jack and cokes.... i also said pool and i meant to say "pull"

Anyways go sox

cburns
07-25-2006, 11:05 PM
I refuse to make this into a good thing anymore. REFUSE. When it's close, ok that's cool. But when the ONLY thing we have to be happy about is other teams LOSING so we don't lose MORE ground, I refuse to call that a good thing.

Well I'm glad Detroit lost. It's better than them winning.

Corlose 15
07-25-2006, 11:06 PM
All valid points, but I'm not only referring to tonight's game. Look at the past week and a half, with Crede being thrown out, then AJ, my point is that this is just something that's bitten us several times over this stretch, not just tonight.

The difference there is the fact that it took an outstanding throw by Cuddyer to even make it close. I like it when Cora makes the other team beat you. With AJ and Crede it was so blatantly obvious that he shouldn't have sent them. Its really totally different situations.

cheezheadsoxfan
07-25-2006, 11:07 PM
Don't see what some people expected out of the offense, it's Johan Santana, a great pitcher, who especially owns us, so I will take it via the HR or whatever.

It's a slump, the team is playing like ****, it's not fun, but a team has to go through it, I guess better now when there is still time left (and games left against Min and Det). Positives, McDougal, Thornton, and a DET loss?

Thanks, I needed that. McDougal looked good, little bit like Black Jack.

koz
07-25-2006, 11:07 PM
I hate the outcome, but we had a chance to win. I think we come out tomorrow pissed and focused. If we can win tomorrow it goes back up two games over the twins and then we go out to Baltimore and Kansas City and hopefully get our confidence going. I like our pitching and our hitting will come back around in a big way. Tomorrow is the key..I am cautiously optimistic. Let's kick some twinky ass.

INSox56
07-25-2006, 11:09 PM
Oh and for all those that are thinking BAL will be a pushover, we face Bedard in the first game. He DOESN'T have a 6 ERA, which means 2 runs max more than likely as we're currently playing.

Frontman
07-25-2006, 11:09 PM
Hopefully someone can introduce Joey Cora to the following:

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:pAn7B2orbaxbiM:www.youngnaperville.co m/Video/stop_sign.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.youngnaperville.com/Video/stop_sign.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.youngnaperville.com/Video/band_pics.htm&h=1000&w=965&sz=70&tbnid=pAn7B2orbaxbiM:&tbnh=149&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstop%2Bsign&start=2&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2)

Cora's mistakes are the same as the rest of the team. Over-extending instead of doing what works. He's trying to get guys around with the thought of "well, if we get lucky, this might tie it up/give us the lead." Forget betting on luck, forget trying to "make something happen." Work within what you've done to get the Championship last year and do it again.

Very rarely do I wind up yelling at a televised game, or even in person. But Paul's last strikeout pissed me off. What the hell was he thinking going after that damn ball that practically rolled across the left handed batter's box?!?!?! Same damn thing. DO WHAT WORKS. Had he not swung, one less out and a free trip to 1st, possibly would of tied it on Cuddyer's catch had he been on third. Right now, this team isn't trusting in each other, and each and every one of the 25 is trying to "be the hero."

Play as a team.

Front

billyvsox
07-25-2006, 11:10 PM
I promise this is the last time I will mention this, but did Monroe's grand slam remind anyone of Torii Hunter bowling over Jamie Burke. It has sent us reeling beyond belief.

INSox56
07-25-2006, 11:12 PM
aah.....watching Kerry Sayers always makes me feel better. GOOD GAWD

CommanderPudge72
07-25-2006, 11:12 PM
At least we should beat Green Bay and Favre like rented mules opening day...

Sorry, looking for something positive here.....and I'm totally stymied...can't even come up with a good lie.

Well, if we take out the big innings (one a game) the pitching looks like it is coming out of the slump...

Although, I realize that is like saying like if the Titanic had only missed that one iceberg.....

:rolleyes: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :rolleyes:

PeoriaSoxFan
07-25-2006, 11:12 PM
We didn't play bad tonight, which would be just fine, had we not lost 10 of the 13 games, prior to tonight. A must win tomorrow, I think. We have Beddard again on Friday, that likely won't be good. I know we are so capable of going on a tear, so lets do it.

Lip Man 1
07-25-2006, 11:13 PM
'Home Run or Nothing' continues.

2-9 since the break, 6-13 in the last 19 games.

It's no longer a slump anymore in my opinion, it's a full fledged meltdown.

I understand it's a brutal stretch of games but no one would have expected this.

Maybe they can salvage something tomorrow.

Lip

QCIASOXFAN
07-25-2006, 11:13 PM
I promise this is the last time I will mention this, but did Monroe's grand slam remind anyone of Torii Hunter bowling over Jamie Burke. It has sent us reeling beyond belief. We were reeling before that, but that sure as **** didnt help matters.

ChiSoxGirl
07-25-2006, 11:14 PM
That sinking feeling someone mentioned a few pages back... I've had it since Saturday night's 3-1 loss, and it just keeps getting worse. Tonight was, yet again, another squandered opportunity to gain ground on Detroit and keep ourselves in front of the Twins & Yankees in the Wild Card. Cleveland did their work; if only we could've done ours. :angry: :whiner:

I'm going tomorrow, and I'm beginning to ask myself if I really want to (no offense, DumpJerry- it's about the team).

TheOldRoman
07-25-2006, 11:14 PM
The umps were questionable, but I put the blame on this lineup right now. Nothing is clicking.
I agree. The umpiring was mindblowingly bad today. I saw from the 3rd inning on, and the only umpire who DIDN'T blow a call was 2nd. The 3rd base ump blew the Iguchi call BECAUSE HE WAS TOO ****ING LAZY TO POSITION HIMSELF TO SEE THE PLAY.
Santana was getting strikes called 6 inches inside, at the ankles, and chest high. Once again, there is no accountability whatsoever with the umpires. They make horrible calls, then laugh about it over a few beers later. They are not disciplined for making blatantly bad calls or having inconsistant strikezones. The homeplate umpire should be fined a week's salary and suspended. The thirdbase umpire should be demoted to the minors, so they can call up an umpire who WANTS IT bad enough to position himself so he can see a play.

The umpires did their best to hand a win to the Twins, but this was still a game the Sox should have won. Another shameful performance by the offense, and a few tough breaks (such as a pop-up leaving the yard) equals a loss.

Corlose 15
07-25-2006, 11:14 PM
The Sox are now less than 20 games over .500. 59-40.:(:

MadetoOrta
07-25-2006, 11:16 PM
We are in a free fall ....... It will take Ozzie Guillen and Kenny Williams' finest hour to see this team in the post season at all. They remind me of 1984. They look like they've packed it in.

JDub35
07-25-2006, 11:16 PM
Help ease the pain.......

http://www.bluefoot.tv/espn1/

NSSoxFan
07-25-2006, 11:17 PM
'Home Run or Nothing' continues.

2-9 since the break, 6-13 in the last 19 games.

It's no longer a slump anymore in my opinion, it's a full fledged meltdown.

I understand it's a brutal stretch of games but no one would have expected this.

Maybe they can salvage something tomorrow.

Lip

We're not touching playoff baseball unless one stat changes: the percentage of runs off of home runs. I forget the exact number, somewhere around 46% of our runs have been scored off of the long ball. We need to bring back station-to-station baseball.

whitesoxfan
07-25-2006, 11:17 PM
We are in a free fall ....... It will take Ozzie Guillen and Kenny Williams' finest hour to see this team in the post season at all. They remind me of 1984. They look like they've packed it in.

My faith is in both of them. Kenny will make the moves to put us over the top and Ozzie will manage the team that will put us over the top.

QCIASOXFAN
07-25-2006, 11:19 PM
The Sox are now less than 20 games over .500. 69-40.:(:I wish we had 69 wins, try 59. The way were going it could take till September to get 69.

greygoose
07-25-2006, 11:19 PM
My faith is in both of them. Kenny will make the moves to put us over the top and Ozzie will manage the team that will put us over the top.

ORLY?

TheOldRoman
07-25-2006, 11:19 PM
All valid points, but I'm not only referring to tonight's game. Look at the past week and a half, with Crede being thrown out at home (when you saw him lumbering after the turn you just KNEW that would happen), then AJ, my point is that this is just something that's bitten us several times over this stretch, not just tonight.
Much of the time when a 3rd base coach waves a guy home, it is a gamble. You have to take certain gambles. Cora has been very good at the past in winning the gambles. Lately, all the gambles are coming up bad. It is not because Cora is dumb but because EVERYTHING IS GOING AGAINST US LATELY. Sometimes it just happens. When we get over this ****, and play real baseball, then you can evaluate Cora. I can't blame him for pressing when nothing else it going right, guys aren't getting hits, and our pitchers are serving them up.
It takes a lot to throw a guy out. The outfielder has to pick up the ball on the run, make a perfect throw, and the catcher has to catch it and apply the tag. Several times lately, everything has worked out perfectly to go against us. If we were playing better, and had some luck, many of those throws would be bounced in or up the line. This will work itself out.

Frontman
07-25-2006, 11:19 PM
Well, at least on the plus side, we won't have to hear Mike Murphy on the Score tomorrow. (Sorry, but Dan Patrick/Keith Oberman man-love fest for all things East coast sucks just as bad as the Flubs fan who is on noon-two weekdays.)

And if the Sox win tomorrow, B&B will have far less to make fun of the Sox with.

whitesoxfan14
07-25-2006, 11:19 PM
like everyone else here, i have to say i am a bit disappointed with this one. It was close in the end, and with two on, i thought we had a chance.....evidently i was wrong.

Corlose 15
07-25-2006, 11:20 PM
I wish we had 69 wins, try 59. The way were going it could take till September to get 69.

You and me both. :redneck Wishful thinking I guess.

SouthSoxFan
07-25-2006, 11:21 PM
'Home Run or Nothing' continues.
Since the All-Star break, we've scored 26 runs, and all but 6 of those have come via the Home Run. Unreal.

spiffie
07-25-2006, 11:21 PM
Wow will all this look silly when we are in the streets for our 2006 World Series parade. Don't you people realize this is the best team the Sox organization has ever assembled?! Yeah, we've had a ****ty stretch for the last 25-30 games or so, and yeah Vazquez hasn't been what we all hoped before the season, and yeah the pitching hasn't lived up to 2005, and yeah there's a bit of a HR or else ethos suddenly, and yeah the bunting and sacrifices haven't been very sharp all season, and yeah the bullpen has had some bumpiness. But this is the best team in baseball. These are the DEFENDING World Series Champions! They will snap out of this, and by god when they do nothing on this earth can stop this team!

PeoriaSoxFan
07-25-2006, 11:22 PM
Help ease the pain.......

http://www.bluefoot.tv/espn1/

Thanks, I needed that.

Lip Man 1
07-25-2006, 11:22 PM
We need to bring back station-to-station baseball.

Huh? :?:

That's part of the problem isn't it? Outside of a few guys no one is running... they are advancing base to base waiting for a home run.

Lip

Frontman
07-25-2006, 11:22 PM
We are in a free fall ....... It will take Ozzie Guillen and Kenny Williams' finest hour to see this team in the post season at all. They remind me of 1984. They look like they've packed it in.

We all thought that last August too. I hope we'll be surprised in two weeks time and we'll all be posting things like, "What the hell were we all worried about?"

Front

CommanderPudge72
07-25-2006, 11:22 PM
That sinking feeling someone mentioned a few pages back... I've had it since Saturday night's 3-1 loss, and it just keeps getting worse. Tonight was, yet again, another squandered opportunity to gain ground on Detroit and keep ourselves in front of the Twins & Yankees in the Wild Card. Cleveland did their work; if only we could've done ours. :angry: :whiner:

I'm going tomorrow, and I'm beginning to ask myself if I really want to (no offense, DumpJerry- it's about the team).

NOOOoooo....ChiSox, don't give up on us...we can change...it'll all work out..you'll see...we can recapture the feeling of October 26, 2005.:o:

Nah...I understand the feeling...(kinda feel that way myself). But we can't give in...because then the Cub fans win...We will be singing, when were winning..(sounds like a song):rolleyes:

Anyway, I don't have tickets again till mid August....but I gotta go and make the best of it...afterall, it is a night at a Sox game, been going to non-championship games for years.

Tim Pawlenty
07-25-2006, 11:23 PM
I think this is the beginning of the end for the sox...last year was one thing, but the sox are the 3rd best team in the central this year...

sox1970
07-25-2006, 11:23 PM
White Sox 59-40 -
Yankees 58-40 .5
Twins 58-41 1

Who wants it? 63 games left. Season starts tomorrow.

sox647
07-25-2006, 11:24 PM
Wow will all this look silly when we are in the streets for our 2006 World Series parade. Don't you people realize this is the best team the Sox organization has ever assembled?! Yeah, we've had a ****ty stretch for the last 25-30 games or so, and yeah Vazquez hasn't been what we all hoped before the season, and yeah the pitching hasn't lived up to 2005, and yeah there's a bit of a HR or else ethos suddenly, and yeah the bunting and sacrifices haven't been very sharp all season, and yeah the bullpen has had some bumpiness. But this is the best team in baseball. These are the DEFENDING World Series Champions! They will snap out of this, and by god when they do nothing on this earth can stop this team!


:thumbsup:
no worries dude.

TheOldRoman
07-25-2006, 11:24 PM
'Home Run or Nothing' continues.

2-9 since the break, 6-13 in the last 19 games.

It's no longer a slump anymore in my opinion, it's a full fledged meltdown.

I understand it's a brutal stretch of games but no one would have expected this.

Maybe they can salvage something tomorrow.

Lip *****. Meltdown? I know you are waiting for a meltdown, just so you can gleefully say you told us so. How did we look last August?
Offense was horrible- all of nothing. Only one of our pitchers looked even decent. Buehrle looked like crap, Garcia couldn't win, and Garland had lost it. That slump lasted a whole month. This slump is long, but we are going to get out of it.

"You know it don't come easy" - Ringo Starr

bluestar
07-25-2006, 11:24 PM
I didn't think the Sox played that poorly tonight. They didn't get any breaks, and they lost by one run to a very good team against a very good pitcher that had a huge strike zone. If this game had happened during a winning streak, everyone would have shrugged it off.

QCIASOXFAN
07-25-2006, 11:24 PM
I think this is the beginning of the end for the sox...last year was one thing, but the sox are the 3rd best team in the central this year...:dtroll:

INSox56
07-25-2006, 11:25 PM
Since the All-Star break, we've scored 26 runs, and all but 6 of those have come via the Home Run. Unreal.

AHAAAA, AHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. I knew it was bad but HOLY ****

greygoose
07-25-2006, 11:25 PM
We all thought that last August too. I hope we'll be surprised in two weeks time and we'll all be posting things like, "What the hell were we all worried about?"

Front

People were saying that 2 weeks ago.

spiffie
07-25-2006, 11:26 PM
Since the All-Star break, we've scored 26 runs, and all but 6 of those have come via the Home Run. Unreal.
Yup. The solution is Thome needs to bunt more. You too Paulie and JD.

TheDarkGundam
07-25-2006, 11:26 PM
Wow will all this look silly when we are in the streets for our 2006 World Series parade. Don't you people realize this is the best team the Sox organization has ever assembled?! Yeah, we've had a ****ty stretch for the last 25-30 games or so, and yeah Vazquez hasn't been what we all hoped before the season, and yeah the pitching hasn't lived up to 2005, and yeah there's a bit of a HR or else ethos suddenly, and yeah the bunting and sacrifices haven't been very sharp all season, and yeah the bullpen has had some bumpiness. But this is the best team in baseball. These are the DEFENDING World Series Champions! They will snap out of this, and by god when they do nothing on this earth can stop this team!
This is my favorite argument.
"The Sox will win the World Series again. Why? Cause they did last year!"
Hey, guess what? We're in 2nd place. Our lead in the wildcard is shrinking more and more every day, and the twinks are right on our ass.
I'm not even sure we can win the division, let alone the ****ing World Series.
You sir, are a Pollyanna. You can't just assume we will do good because we did good last year.

Tim Pawlenty
07-25-2006, 11:27 PM
nathan had cintron at the dish with that outside curveball over the black...the sox had their chances.

The sox need pitching not another bat.

RadioheadRocks
07-25-2006, 11:27 PM
We all thought that last August too. I hope we'll be surprised in two weeks time and we'll all be posting things like, "What the hell were we all worried about?"

Front

That's exactly it, the key will be getting the ball rolling once again. It all seems so much more magnified while the ship is off course.

Rdubb4
07-25-2006, 11:28 PM
I dont know if anyone else caught this, but they mentioned on the post game show that the Sox are currently persuing 3 different trade possibilities and that the Soriano rumors diddnt originate from the Sox organization. Three different trade possibilities should make this an interesting next week.

greygoose
07-25-2006, 11:28 PM
That's exactly it, the key will be getting the ball rolling once again. It all seems so much more magnified while the ship is off course.

If this goes any longer, I'll start to wonder if the rudder broke off.

QCIASOXFAN
07-25-2006, 11:28 PM
nathan had cintron at the dish with that outside curveball over the black...the sox had their chances.

The sox need pitching not another bat.Don't you have some Twins fans to talk to you tool.:dtroll:

Lip Man 1
07-25-2006, 11:29 PM
Roman:

They have looked as bad as last season except for two big differences which you don't or won't acknowledge.

1. They don't have a 15 game lead...no room for error. Six teams are fighting for three spots...someone is going to get screwed.

2. It isn't just the last 19 games. They were awful the first week, they were a .500 team for about a month mid-May / mid-June. This is just the latest and the worst adventure.

And as far as me 'waiting' for a melt down you are out of your friggin' mind.

The last time you ranted you said the Indians were going to finish ahead of the Tigers...remember? (LOL)

:rolleyes:

Lip

PeoriaSoxFan
07-25-2006, 11:29 PM
Since the All-Star break, we've scored 26 runs, and all but 6 of those have come via the Home Run. Unreal.

Wow, that is very bad. 2.4 runs a game, with 77% of them coming via the HR. Sounds even worse that way. What's actually worse is 2-11.

SoxShirt
07-25-2006, 11:29 PM
Help ease the pain.......

http://www.bluefoot.tv/espn1/ That kinda made me sad... :(:

thometo
07-25-2006, 11:29 PM
i missed the last 3 innings...


i'm starting to think that was a good thing

A. Cavatica
07-25-2006, 11:30 PM
That ball only carried out because of the air conditioning.(What? The game was in Chicago?)

greygoose
07-25-2006, 11:31 PM
Don't you have some Twins fans to talk to you tool.:dtroll:

:rolleyes:

SouthSide_HitMen
07-25-2006, 11:31 PM
Those two guys kicked our asses tonight. Show some respect and tip your hat.

Missed most of the game but saw the home run that cleared the wall by a few inches as well as the bunt - Tyner hustled and it looked like he beat it out.

Contreras pitched well and I have to think the White Sox offense will break out of it at some point.

Things should be interesting around here tomorrow - hopefully in a good way.

How did Alomar look behind the plate? Nice to see he threw 1 of 2 runners out - you knew the Twins would be aggressive.

Buehrle must return to normal and tomorrow is a very crucial game heading into a nine game road trip.

PeoriaSoxFan
07-25-2006, 11:31 PM
Since the All-Star break, we've scored 26 runs, and all but 6 of those have come via the Home Run. Unreal.

Actually, check your math, they have scored 38 runs since the all-star break.

rookie
07-25-2006, 11:31 PM
Dang it, I thought we were going to come back in this one. If it's not the pitching it's the hitting. If it's not the hitting then we are getting bad breaks. I thought we played a good game tonight. Runs off of Santana and hits off of Nathan. Jose gave up 1 run too many, and one of those runs was a bad break.

I will say one thing, when the Sox go into a slump they do it with some flair. That goes for this year and last year. I guess it seems like that to any team that has a good record and goes on a bad streak. But ours feel longer and more of a fall "from grace" than other teams at the top.

Luckily there's some time left, so we need to start getting those W's one game at a time. Hopefully Mark has his stuff back, and the offense is locked in so that we can start the climb back up.

southside rocks
07-25-2006, 11:32 PM
I didn't think the Sox played that poorly tonight. They didn't get any breaks, and they lost by one run to a very good team against a very good pitcher that had a huge strike zone. If this game had happened during a winning streak, everyone would have shrugged it off.
I don't think they played poorly either. In fact, I think that the team is coming out of the coma; they looked better, not so dazed.

AJ's bloop in the 9th could have been a hit, would have been a hit a month ago, and you have a different ballgame. But -- everything is breaking Minnesota's way right now; they are playing .800 baseball in their last 40 games. They had their terrible cold spell earlier in the year, when the Sox were hot.

I'm going to the game tomorrow and looking forward to it. Buehrle pitching -- he's due to return to form -- and a pitcher for the Twinkies who's NOT Liriano or Santana -- it will be a good game and fun to see.

Sorry for the optimism, I'm too old to believe that the world stops turning if the White Sox don't cruise into the World Series with no problems along the way. :wink:

slobes
07-25-2006, 11:33 PM
We're not touching playoff baseball unless one stat changes: the percentage of runs off of home runs. I forget the exact number, somewhere around 46% of our runs have been scored off of the long ball. We need to bring back station-to-station baseball.

Yeah it was about 46%, which led the majors. And to think, this was the team who a year ago was known nationally for playing small ball. I'm not saying that HRs are a bad thing, but I'm getting sick and tired of guys swinging for the fences every single time up.

Frontman
07-25-2006, 11:33 PM
NOOOoooo....ChiSox, don't give up on us...we can change...it'll all work out..you'll see...we can recapture the feeling of October 26, 2005.:o:

Nah...I understand the feeling...(kinda feel that way myself). But we can't give in...because then the Cub fans win...We will be singing, when were winning..(sounds like a song):rolleyes:

Anyway, I don't have tickets again till mid August....but I gotta go and make the best of it...afterall, it is a night at a Sox game, been going to non-championship games for years.

Same here. We're a single income family, and my wife and I had to pinch pennies to get tickets for August 16th. Gods honest truth, to me, what I'm looking forward to the most is to see the scoreboard video with last years' highlights and the phrase, "And the White Sox won the World Series" come across the speakers. When I finally get to see/hear that, it will all the bad times be worth it for me. Ozzie and co. get a "bye" for me being pissed at 'em and giving up on them until I see that video in person. Then, I want to go back in a future season and see a new video, with new highlights, once again ending with "And the White Sox won the World Series." Again. My only hope is that they'll still be playing to get to the post-season this August 16th, but even if they aren't; I will have gotten to see them in their championship season and I actually saw them win, unlike my Grandad.

My Grandfather, God rest his soul, never saw them win a Championship, being born in 1919. He died in 85, not even seeing the Bears win the Superbowl. He never saw Michael Jordan lead the Bulls to 6 NBA titles. My son, who is named for him, saw the 2005 Sox go all the way, as did I. This is something that few generations of Sox fans get to say. I might be new to the site, but I certainly will not be giving up on this team any time soon.

While it might be looking bleak now, this management team is the same as the one that put together 2005's squad. They need to figure it out with this team and how to win with them again.

Because if they don't, what else is there?

Front

Credefan21
07-25-2006, 11:33 PM
Spiffie, give me a break... I am so tired of this argument. LAST YEAR MEANS NOTHING FOR THIS YEAR. The Sox haven't been as consistent this year and they haven't did the basic things as well as they did last year. Dark cloud this and that blah blah blah. If I hear about how great things STILL are during this horrible slump I think I am gonna throw up. Hey hold on a second Pollyannas.. My phone is ringing. It's denial he says he knows ya. The Sox are in no way out of the playoff race, but to say everything is fine right now is absolutely ridicilous and extremely annoying and immature.

goon
07-25-2006, 11:33 PM
whoever is going to the game tomorrow, do me a huge favor. if you're sitting near the white sox dugout, make a sign, with huge letters, reading:


STOP SWINGING FOR THE FENCES.



thanks!

spiffie
07-25-2006, 11:34 PM
Missed most of the game but saw the home run that cleared the wall by a few inches as well as the bunt - Tyner hustled and it looked like he beat it out.

Contreras pitched well and I have to think the White Sox offense will break out of it at some point.

Things should be interesting around here tomorrow - hopefully in a good way.

How did Alomar look behind the plate? Nice to see he threw 1 of 2 runners out - you knew the Twins would be aggressive.

Buehrle must return to normal and tomorrow is a very crucial game heading into a nine game road trip.
Tomorrow is just another game. Sure it would be nice to win, but even if things break wrong and the Twins pull it out we're still tied for the Wild Card lead! Way too much time left in the season, and way too good a team wearing the Pale Hose to start calling July games crucial. Everyone should know once this team gets firing on all cylinders that we can make up a ton of ground mighty quick.

CLR01
07-25-2006, 11:34 PM
2. It isn't just the last 19 games. They were awful the first week, they were a .500 team for about a month mid-May / mid-June. This is just the latest and the worst adventure.


And they still had the 2nd best record in the league ~1 game back of the team with the best.


When this team comes out of it's funk, and they will, they will be back to rattling off 6,7,8 game win streaks.

southside rocks
07-25-2006, 11:35 PM
How did Alomar look behind the plate? Nice to see he threw 1 of 2 runners out - you knew the Twins would be aggressive.


I thought he looked good, you could tell he was new in the neighborhood back there, but I expect he will be completely in synch with the pitchers and with the team very quickly.

If he can get runners to stop stealing on Freddy Garcia, I will consider him a bona fide miracle worker.

Lip Man 1
07-25-2006, 11:36 PM
I thought they were now behind the Red Sox? (with the Yankees and Twins so close now that they could go to the 5th best record in one day...)

Lip

spiffie
07-25-2006, 11:37 PM
Spiffie, give me a break... I am so tired of this argument. LAST YEAR MEANS NOTHING FOR THIS YEAR. The Sox haven't been as consistent this year and they haven't did the basic things as well as they did last year. Dark cloud this and that blah blah blah. If I hear about how great things STILL are during this horrible slump I think I am gonna throw up. Hey hold on a second Pollyannas.. My phone is ringing. It's denial he says he knows ya. The Sox are in no way out of the playoff race, but to say everything is fine right now is absolutely ridicilous and extremely annoying and immature.
And as ****ty as they must be judging by this post they are still the third best record in the AL, and leading in the wild card, despite being mired in an absolutely awful slump and having nothing positive going for them at all. I guess a lot of folks were out of the country or in comas from August 1 - Sep. 25 last year, because otherwise this would look pretty familiar and surmountable.

Frontman
07-25-2006, 11:38 PM
I thought he looked good, you could tell he was new in the neighborhood back there, but I expect he will be completely in synch with the pitchers and with the team very quickly.

If he can get runners to stop stealing on Freddy Garcia, I will consider him a bona fide miracle worker.

Look, let's get the Sox out of the slump first, then we can do the water to wine trick, THEN we can get runners to stop running on Freddy. Got to be realistic in setting goals, m'man. :rolleyes:

QCIASOXFAN
07-25-2006, 11:39 PM
And they still had the 2nd best record in the league ~1 game back of the team with the best.


When this team comes out of it's funk, and they will, they will be back to rattling off 6,7,8 game win streaks.Thank you, there is no way this offense is gonna be dormant for much longer. I just read that stat that we scored 29 runs since the break, I think we scored 21 runs against the Cardinals in 1 game. One of these games the offense is gonna put the hammer down and get back on track.

TheOldRoman
07-25-2006, 11:41 PM
Roman:

They have looked as bad as last season except for two big differences which you don't or won't acknowledge.

1. They don't have a 15 game lead...no room for error. Six teams are fighting for three spots...someone is going to get screwed.

2. It isn't just the last 19 games. They were awful the first week, they were a .500 team for about a month mid-May / mid-June. This is just the latest and the worst adventure.

And as far as me 'waiting' for a melt down you are out of your friggin' mind.

The last time you ranted you said the Indians were going to finish ahead of the Tigers...remember? (LOL)

:rolleyes:

Lip
Yes, you are hoping for a meltdown. You can't get enough. You want to Sox to explode so you can say you called it.

We don't have a 15 game lead, but we have 10 games left with the first place team, and we STILL are in the lead for the wildcard. I have been upset with the listless play the entire year, but we had won inspite of it. Teams can turn it on and go on ridiculous hot streaks. The Twins are playing WAY over their heads the last month and a half, and the Tigers have played over their heads the entire year. The Sox can click, and they eventually will. Will they go 33-8 like the Twins? Doubtful, but it could happen.
It took the Twins winning 33 of 41 AND us playing our worst ball in years go get us to this point. If you honestly think the Sox are as bad as they are playing now, please type it in big bold letters. If you honestly think the Twins are as good as they are playing now, please type that, too. I will bookmark your post, and show it to you later this year. We WILL play better ball. We don't have to go 40-10 in our next

As for your comment on my rant - no, that was not my last rant. I rant almost daily. I still think the Tigers will finish in third (behind us and the Twins. Your boy Kenny Rogers gave up 7 in 2/3 tonight, it has begun. And I thought this was going to be the year he put together a full season.

Times are tough, but have some common sense. We are playing like crap, our hitters are pressing, calls are going against us at every turn, and we are going through probably our toughest stretch of the year schedule-wise. Those three things don't combine to make a happy fan. IT WILL GET BETTER.

ChiSoxGirl
07-25-2006, 11:43 PM
NOOOoooo....ChiSox, don't give up on us...we can change...it'll all work out..you'll see...we can recapture the feeling of October 26, 2005.:o:

Nah...I understand the feeling...(kinda feel that way myself). But we can't give in...because then the Cub fans win...We will be singing, when were winning..(sounds like a song):rolleyes:

I haven't given up on the team; I've stuck with them since 1989 when I first became a fan. What we've been seeing for a few weeks is just unbelievable. Look at this team- we've got it all- proven hitters, proven pitchers, and one of the best (if not the best) bench in MLB. And with all that said, the sadness that has taken up residence in me is overwhelming.

Contreras deserved better than the loss he got tonight. He pitched very well and if I was asked to find the one bright spot over the past handful of games, it'd be the starting pitching. Vazquez's 6th inning last night aside, the starters have shown signs of command and control of their pitches. It's no secret Garland has been lights out and also seems to be pitching inside again.

Anyway, I don't have tickets again till mid August....but I gotta go and make the best of it...afterall, it is a night at a Sox game, been going to non-championship games for years.

Will you be joining us at WSIFest?

Mr. White Sox
07-25-2006, 11:44 PM
Aside from the iffy K-Zone, I'm not faulting the umps on this one. They're consistently inconsistent. If Tyner can get jobbed last night, so too can Pods.

rookie
07-25-2006, 11:44 PM
Very rarely do I wind up yelling at a televised game, or even in person. But Paul's last strikeout pissed me off. What the hell was he thinking going after that damn ball that practically rolled across the left handed batter's box?!?!?! Same damn thing. DO WHAT WORKS. Had he not swung, one less out and a free trip to 1st, possibly would of tied it on Cuddyer's catch had he been on third. Right now, this team isn't trusting in each other, and each and every one of the 25 is trying to "be the hero."

Play as a team.

Front

Does anyone think that high strike againist Konerko got into his head a bit? Maybe it's just me, but after that it seemed like he just gave up againist the battle of the strike zone - in that at-bat and his last one. I think someone said that he is in a slump anyways, but I hope that one bad call doesn't cause him to give up in 2 at-bats.

SouthSide_HitMen
07-25-2006, 11:44 PM
Tomorrow is just another game. Sure it would be nice to win, but even if things break wrong and the Twins pull it out we're still tied for the Wild Card lead! Way too much time left in the season, and way too good a team wearing the Pale Hose to start calling July games crucial. Everyone should know once this team gets firing on all cylinders that we can make up a ton of ground mighty quick.

I would like to see a good performance heading into the road trip.

I missed the game (was at a wake) except for the seventh. It seems as though they played well - just not well enough to win. There are positives from tonight and we did face Santana but they will need to start winning. Maybe being in a dog fight for the final two months will help in the playoffs.

billyvsox
07-25-2006, 11:45 PM
Spiffie, give me a break... I am so tired of this argument. LAST YEAR MEANS NOTHING FOR THIS YEAR. The Sox haven't been as consistent this year and they haven't did the basic things as well as they did last year. Dark cloud this and that blah blah blah. If I hear about how great things STILL are during this horrible slump I think I am gonna throw up. Hey hold on a second Pollyannas.. My phone is ringing. It's denial he says he knows ya. The Sox are in no way out of the playoff race, but to say everything is fine right now is absolutely ridicilous and extremely annoying and immature.

This is the definitive post of the day. Kudos to Credefan21. I agree 100% with everything you said especially that this is NOT last year (it never is).

If it was last year the Red Sox would have gotten to El Duque and came back and who the ALDS.

In 2004, The Yanks never would would have blown a 3-0 lead against boston.

In 2003, the Angels and Giants would have made the playoffs, etc, etc, etc.

Call me a dark cloud and you a polyanna but it is what it is...the mojo is gone for now and I hpe we get it back but I do NOT assume it will come back because we were special last year.

It's like a good friend of mine once said: "Just because you are paranoid, dosen't mean someone is not after you"

southside rocks
07-25-2006, 11:46 PM
Look, let's get the Sox out of the slump first, then we can do the water to wine trick, THEN we can get runners to stop running on Freddy. Got to be realistic in setting goals, m'man. :rolleyes:
I'm a girl. :redface: Let me know when the water/wine thing goes down, would you? :tongue:

TheOldRoman
07-25-2006, 11:46 PM
And they still had the 2nd best record in the league ~1 game back of the team with the best.


When this team comes out of it's funk, and they will, they will be back to rattling off 6,7,8 game win streaks.
THANK YOU.

And another thing, we are playing better lately. Yesterday aside, we have played better in our last few games. We played a perfect game Sunday, but we didn't keep it up. That was a single step. We won't just flick a switch and go on a 10 game streak, but we WILL play better and better every day. We are turning it around. It has begun.

spiffie
07-25-2006, 11:46 PM
I would like to see a good performance heading into the road trip.

I missed the game (was at a wake) except for the seventh. It seems as though they played well - just not well enough to win. There are positives from tonight and we did face Santana but they will need to start winning. Maybe being in a dog fight for the final two months will help in the playoffs.
I understand that. And I like that final sentiment! Being in a race got this team ready to rip through the postseason last year. Think how battle-tough this team will be come October of this year after the race to the finish. Nothing will faze them on the way to the repeat!

TheDarkGundam
07-25-2006, 11:46 PM
And as ****ty as they must be judging by this post they are still the third best record in the AL, and leading in the wild card, despite being mired in an absolutely awful slump and having nothing positive going for them at all. I guess a lot of folks were out of the country or in comas from August 1 - Sep. 25 last year, because otherwise this would look pretty familiar and surmountable.
I was here from August 1 - September 25 of last year. There's one rather big problem with the argument you keep bringing up.
2005 was LAST YEAR.
2006 is THIS YEAR.
Last year =/= This year.
You can't assume we will have a glorious comeback just because we did so good last year.
Oh, and there's another difference between this year and last year.
Last year, we were in first place. This year, we aren't.
Last year, all we had to do was survive to get a playoff spot. This year, we have to fight for it.

SouthSoxFan
07-25-2006, 11:47 PM
Actually, check your math, they have scored 38 runs since the all-star break.
Yep, my mistake. That was 26 runs with 20 on HRs since the Detroit series. If you throw in the Yankee series, its 38 runs with 25 coming on HRs.

soxstarter
07-25-2006, 11:47 PM
Some pretty poor umpiring tonight. Sometimes Hawk exaggerates about the umps strike zones, tonight he wasn't exaggerating. There were two different zones going. Blown calls at 3B and 1B that went against us too. Tough breaks but that is the way it goes when you're losing.

Some tremendous defense by the Twins though. Cuddyer's catch was a heartbreaker, I thought the game was tied.:(:

Yeap, the umps definately cost us on this one. But this team has the ability to pull so much further ahead of those ump mistakes that it shouldn't have mattered. Their hearts have just not been in the last few games until it was too late.

DickAllen72
07-25-2006, 11:48 PM
have at it.

Meh. I didn't expect them to beat Santana anyway. The Twins are the best team in baseball right now. Hopefully Buerhle is back to form tomorrow and the Sox avoid the sweep. We shall see.

samram
07-25-2006, 11:49 PM
And as ****ty as they must be judging by this post they are still the third best record in the AL, and leading in the wild card, despite being mired in an absolutely awful slump and having nothing positive going for them at all. I guess a lot of folks were out of the country or in comas from August 1 - Sep. 25 last year, because otherwise this would look pretty familiar and surmountable.

Sigh. That was last year. They had a 15 game lead when it started. The facts are not as similar as you seem to think. The Sox will play well again this year, no doubt, but it has to be soon or it may not matter.

PeoriaSoxFan
07-25-2006, 11:50 PM
Yep, my mistake. That was 26 runs with 20 on HRs since the Detroit series. If you throw in the Yankee series, its 38 runs with 25 coming on HRs.

Sucks either way.

infohawk
07-25-2006, 11:50 PM
Well, I fully expected to lose this one against Santana anyway. It is kind of funny (in a not funny way, of course) that the difference in the game ended up being a fence-scraper homerun by a guy who hadn't yet hit a home run this year. That's kind of how things have been going for the Sox during this stretch.

O.K., I'm going to be an optimist again. We all know that the Sox are a much better team than what they are showing. That's an undisputable fact. You're never as good as you look at your best and you're never as bad as you look at your worst. The Sox offensive problems are a horrible abberation and they will rebound eventually to a point of equilibrium. The pitching has actually shown signs of coming around and the bullpen is shaping up nicely. A move or two would help, but seriously, the Sox can't stay this bad for too much longer.

Yeah, they've squandered their wildcard lead, but they are right in the thick of things with the stretch run ahead of them. I'll take that over being a marginal contender any day. It's like the season is starting over and the Sox are even with their competition with 2 months to play. That's not so bad, really. Minnesota has won 33 out of 42 (or something like that) and they won't keep that up for two more months. They may still be in the hunt, but they will cool off just as our offense did. It's just a probability. The Yanks have issues too, and aren't as dominant as they have been in recent years. I'm not worried about Detroit at this point. If we catch them great, if we don't then let's worry about winning the wild card.

QCIASOXFAN
07-25-2006, 11:50 PM
Yep, my mistake. That was 26 runs with 20 on HRs since the Detroit series. If you throw in the Yankee series, its 38 runs with 25 coming on HRs.25/38 :o: . If you show Kenny this stat he would probably run out the door to get a hitter who hits for avg. and can steal bases. That is unreal.

PeoriaSoxFan
07-25-2006, 11:51 PM
mark bradley sucks at golf. there should be no debate on this, if you are watching Comcast right now.

Jerko
07-25-2006, 11:51 PM
I think when Crede hit the homer to make it 4-3 off Santana, only to still lose, made it worse. No I am not saying 2 run homers are bad, but I really don't think there would be so much anger right now if the Sox would have just lost 4-1. It would have been "oh that Santana, he always beats us". Well, time to kill Silva tomorrow, take the Birds to task over the weekend, and hopefully gain on SOMEBODY since Detroit plays Minnesota this weekend.

samram
07-25-2006, 11:52 PM
Yeah it was about 46%, which led the majors. And to think, this was the team who a year ago was known nationally for playing small ball. I'm not saying that HRs are a bad thing, but I'm getting sick and tired of guys swinging for the fences every single time up.

It was known incorrectly for playing small ball. They were homer dependent then too. They just had way better pitching and the three runs a game from homers along with one from sac bunts and sac flies were good enough to win.

Lip Man 1
07-25-2006, 11:52 PM
Roman says:
I still think the Tigers will finish in third (behind us and the Twins.) :D:

Please PM me. I'd love to offer again something to wager on this. I can use a new car!

Are the Twins going to play .800 ball for the rest of the season? No...but they don't have to as long as the Sox don't play .550 ball either.

Feel free to BOLD that as well. (Talk about someone trying to say 'I told you so...)

See that's the issue Roman...you can't lose.

If the Sox do implode do you think I'm stupid enough to say 'I told you so' on a White Sox board? One that I bust my ass on trying to help out? :?: Never mind the fact that I've been a dedicated fan longer then you've been alive!

And if the Sox don't implode you can go around screaming at the top of your lungs at all those who doubted for even one iota of a second.

Pretty slick Roman. Maybe I should start yelling more.

In the meantime give some thought to your statement and contact me (and unlike the last time don't retract your statement by claiming you 'overreacted.')

Please...

Lip

spiffie
07-25-2006, 11:53 PM
I was here from August 1 - September 25 of last year. There's one rather big problem with the argument you keep bringing up.
2005 was LAST YEAR.
2006 is THIS YEAR.
Last year =/= This year.
You can't assume we will have a glorious comeback just because we did so good last year.
Oh, and there's another difference between this year and last year.
Last year, we were in first place. This year, we aren't.
Last year, all we had to do was survive to get a playoff spot. This year, we have to fight for it.
Just as we had to fight last year. Just as we were fighting when Crede hit the home run that rocked the park. Just as we fought when we sprinted to the end, killing off Cleveland by going into their park and throttling their playoff dreams.

And in terms of being in a playoff spot, yeah, we are in first place. We lead the Wild Card, which gets you into the same playoffs as the division lead does.

CommanderPudge72
07-25-2006, 11:53 PM
I haven't given up on the team; I've stuck with them since 1989 when I first became a fan. What we've been seeing for a few weeks is just unbelievable. Look at this team- we've got it all- proven hitters, proven pitchers, and one of the best (if not the best) bench in MLB. And with all that said, the sadness that has taken up residence in me is overwhelming.

Contreras deserved better than the loss he got tonight. He pitched very well and if I was asked to find the one bright spot over the past handful of games, it'd be the starting pitching. Vazquez's 6th inning last night aside, the starters have shown signs of command and control of their pitches. It's no secret Garland has been lights out and also seems to be pitching inside again.



Will you be joining us at WSIFest?

I hear you...being a Sox fan for sooo long I was actually speechless when we won the ALCS and were going to the Series...GREAT GREAT FEELING.

Well, these are the times that try a true fans soul....but you can't have a "Rocky" comeback story without being down for awhile.

You are right, we have all the talent...I am thinking dynasty 3 weeks ago, and now we got this.....but we will do it.:wink: You'll see.....

I don't have tickets for the WSIFest right now...don't know if it is still open, but I just made the Drinking Team officially yesterday, so hoping to catch up with some of you guys and make a first appearance in my rookie year.

bluestar
07-25-2006, 11:54 PM
THANK YOU.

And another thing, we are playing better lately. Yesterday aside, we have played better in our last few games. We played a perfect game Sunday, but we didn't keep it up. That was a single step. We won't just flick a switch and go on a 10 game streak, but we WILL play better and better every day. We are turning it around. It has begun.


I agree. I am encouraged with a lot of the things I have seen since and including Sunday. If Buehrle gives the Sox a strong outing tomorrow, I will be very encouraged.

infohawk
07-25-2006, 11:55 PM
THANK YOU.

And another thing, we are playing better lately. Yesterday aside, we have played better in our last few games. We played a perfect game Sunday, but we didn't keep it up. That was a single step. We won't just flick a switch and go on a 10 game streak, but we WILL play better and better every day. We are turning it around. It has begun. I agree. Don't discount that the Sox are catching the Twins at a time when they are red-hot and we are stuggling. Whose to say we don't go on a streak like Cleveland did through August and the first three weeks of September of last year?

RadioheadRocks
07-25-2006, 11:57 PM
It was known incorrectly for playing small ball. They were homer dependent then too. They just had way better pitching and the three runs a game from homers along with one from sac bunts and sac flies were good enough to win.

Absolutely, it wasn't just small ball last year; the White Sox were a multi-faceted team and everything clicked just right. This team still has that muti-dimensional talent capability and as ghastly as this stretch has been, they're not going to be down much longer.

logansquaresox
07-25-2006, 11:58 PM
I don't have tickets for the WSIFest right now...don't know if it is still open, but I just made the Drinking Team officially yesterday, so hoping to catch up with some of you guys and make a first appearance in my rookie year.

Look here (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1243611&postcount=53). I don't know if it's too late or not now, though.

StatHead21
07-25-2006, 11:59 PM
The need...OFFENSE

Why you ask?

The offense is based around 3 players Thome Konerko Dye, with some contributions from Crede, AJ and Gooch.

The thing that is killing them is Uribe-Anderson-Podsednik.

Yes, Uribe has some games where he gets 4-5 RBIs but those are few and far between.

Yes, Anderson has played well the past month. But, how many big runs has he driven in?

The Sox need another good hitter in their line up so its a force 1-9.

But the Sox need pitching you say?

Well, what can they possibly do to upgrade?

They need to add a hitter by packaging Vazquez or Freddy and prospects and add McCarthy to the Rotation. Will this hitter be Soriano? Who knows but they need something.

I like what I saw from MacDougal, if he can throw strikes he'll be a plus.

SouthSide_HitMen
07-26-2006, 12:02 AM
Look here (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1243611&postcount=53). I don't know if it's too late or not now, though.

Or here for WSI Hardcore of the Core:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=75869

How does some one type text over the link as logansquaresox did above?

Anyone, Anyone?

TheOldRoman
07-26-2006, 12:03 AM
Lip -
I think the Tigers are going to fall hard; that is my opinion. I am not screaming it from the watchtower, but I think it will happen. I don't want to make bets about it; I'm not a betting man. If the Sox make the playoffs, I wouldn't claim I told anyone so. You might not want the Sox to lose, but everytime they do, you come out of the woodwork with doom and gloom saying you identified the problem long ago, it has hurt us the whole year, etc. I understand that you inherently have a negative outlook on things (understandably so being a Sox fan your whole life), but sometimes it seems like you go overboard. You said all of April and May that our bullpen was horrible, Kenny made a huge mistake, and it would cost us. Our bullpen has been alright, and it looks solidified with MacDougal.


The point of my rant was, the Sox are not nearly as bad as they are playing now, and the Twins are not nearly as good are they are playing now. Do you agree?

If so, then step back for a bit and stop saying it's the end of the world. We have over 2 months left. It is getting better.

DeadMoney
07-26-2006, 12:04 AM
Just got back from the game and...So frustrating...

- The umps seemed to suck (with the exception of the 2nd base ump, who seemed to actually help - or be fair to - OUR team, maybe even missing a call in OUR favor for once).
- The Twins catch everything.
- Jason, Jason, and (imagine this) Jason killed us tonight.
- Can we friggin' get more then two hits in ONE FREAKING INNING without running ourselves out of it. Jeez! Maybe they should treat every inning like the 9th and we'd actually put hits together or something.
- Will our starting pitchers PLEASE stop giving up multiple-run home runs in late innings.
- AND, for those of you wondering, Jason Tyner weighs 175 pounds and Jason Bartlett weighs 178 pounds. And man, going by tonight, they rule!

What happened to winning a winnable game? Does it happen to this team anymore? It's frustrating, but I'm not about to give up. I'll be hoping that Mark is strong to EVERY BATTER he faces tommorow. I'll be in Baltimore, hoping that the O's staff is exactly what we need. And for the dark clouds and neysayes, I have a simple message to you all:

As fans, coming off watching a World Series Championship, we owe it to stand behind our guys until they are down and out for good. It's ONLY July 25 folks, they won't be that for a VERY long time (and we all hope not in '06). Stand tall and bring this team back. I know it's frustrating, but we owe it to them to try. They gave us '05.

logansquaresox
07-26-2006, 12:04 AM
Or here:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=75869

How does some one type text over the link as logansquaresox did above?

Anyone, Anyone?

Highlight the text and click the picture of the globe with the links of a chain in front of it. Paste the link in the window that pops up--hey presto!

southside rocks
07-26-2006, 12:04 AM
THANK YOU.

And another thing, we are playing better lately. Yesterday aside, we have played better in our last few games. We played a perfect game Sunday, but we didn't keep it up. That was a single step. We won't just flick a switch and go on a 10 game streak, but we WILL play better and better every day. We are turning it around. It has begun.
Yup. Now when Konerko and Pierzynski start hitting again, things will return to the even keel of winning baseball. Crede has come back to life and Iguchi seems like he's on the upswing, and the centerfielder with the golden curls is looking more like a major leaguer every day.

I hope to see Buehrle slam the door on the Twinkies tomorrow, to accelerate the return.

PeoriaSoxFan
07-26-2006, 12:04 AM
Bold Prediction - I am calling it now, 10 straight wins, starting tomorrow.

August will be key:

3 vs. Toronto and 3 vs. NY
6 vs. Minn and 7 vs. Detroit
6 vs. KC and 3 vs. TB

My predicted record in August 20-8. Couple that with my first prediction and we are sitting at 84-48 going into September. I haven't been drinking booze (ok 1 beer) or kool-aid tonight, so this is surely divine insight (or some form of psychosis). Forgive my meaningless banter, but I do have a strange feeling that we are on the verge of breaking out.

CLR01
07-26-2006, 12:04 AM
I don't have tickets for the WSIFest right now...don't know if it is still open, but I just made the Drinking Team officially yesterday, so hoping to catch up with some of you guys and make a first appearance in my rookie year.

You can still buy patio/game tickets but you may not be sitting with the rest of the group in the bleachers.

TheOldRoman
07-26-2006, 12:06 AM
I agree. Don't discount that the Sox are catching the Twins at a time when they are red-hot and we are stuggling. Whose to say we don't go on a streak like Cleveland did through August and the first three weeks of September of last year?
Exactly.
I am not going to claim we are going to catch fire like the Indians did last year, but here is the beautiful thing - WE DON'T HAVE TO. We aren't 15 games behind anyone. We are 7.5 behind the Tigers, and we are leading the Wildcard. Things are getting better.

southside rocks
07-26-2006, 12:08 AM
Exactly.
I am not going to claim we are going to catch fire like the Indians did last year, but here is the beautiful thing - WE DON'T HAVE TO. We aren't 15 games behind anyone. We are 7.5 behind the Tigers, and we are leading the Wildcard. Things are getting better.

7.5 behind the Tigers and the Sox play them 7 more times this year. It ain't over until it's over!

TheOldRoman
07-26-2006, 12:09 AM
7.5 behind the Tigers and the Sox play them 7 more times this year. It ain't over until it's over!
10 more with the Tigers.

TheDarkGundam
07-26-2006, 12:09 AM
Exactly.
I am not going to claim we are going to catch fire like the Indians did last year, but here is the beautiful thing - WE DON'T HAVE TO. We aren't 15 games behind anyone. We are 7.5 behind the Tigers, and we are leading the Wildcard. Things are getting better.
Explain it to me, how are things getting better?
The Tigers are getting further and further ahead, and our lead in the WC is getting smaller and smaller.
This is better?

TheOldRoman
07-26-2006, 12:11 AM
Explain it to me, how are things getting better?
The Tigers are getting further and further ahead, and our lead in the WC is getting smaller and smaller.
This is better?
No, we have played better the last couple of days. We are getting quality starts again. It is all about the pitching. I could care less what the Tigers do, we can make the playoffs regardless of them. We are coming out of our slump. It doesn't matter if we are 5 up or 5 down in the WC. If we turn it around, and play White Sox baseball from here on out, we will be in the playoffs.

SouthSide_HitMen
07-26-2006, 12:12 AM
Highlight the text and click the picture of the globe with the links of a chain in front of it. Paste the link in the window that pops up--hey presto!

Link (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=75869)

The More You Know!

This one is for you (http://www.nbc.com/The_Office/video/sub_122.shtml) :tongue:

I think you created a monster.

Thanks so much - I always thought that was a cool feature but would have never figured it out.

:gulp:

TheDarkGundam
07-26-2006, 12:13 AM
No, we have played better the last couple of days. We are getting quality starts again. It is all about the pitching. I could care less what the Tigers do, we can make the playoffs regardless of them. We are coming out of our slump. It doesn't matter if we are 5 up or 5 down in the WC. If we turn it around, and play White Sox baseball from here on out, we will be in the playoffs.
Alright, I got what you're saying now.

Lip Man 1
07-26-2006, 12:17 AM
Roman:

I've never said 'it's over...' (See the thread about 'Is There Still Hope?'

I haven't been the only person talking about the issues this club has had since spring training either. (or doesn't that meeting Ozzie called the first week about 'effort' count?)

Regarding the bullpen...when all is said and done we'll see. All I know is that right now the bullpen has blown 5 games directly so far this season...games where the Sox had the lead in the 7th inning or later and lost. ALL of those games have come against teams with losing records.

This may be better or worse then the other teams in the league. I don't know. What I do know is that we may be pulling our hair out over those five games in September because they may mean the difference between going to the playoffs or going to play golf.

I understand you get emotional and shoot from the hip and that's OK. If you didn't care you wouldn't pontificate so much. That's cool...I'm just asking that you stop the 'I told you so' nonsense. You know better then that. If I didn't care I wouldn't have broken so many friggin' doors over the years.

:D:

Lip

billyvsox
07-26-2006, 12:17 AM
Just got back from the game and...So frustrating...

- The umps seemed to suck (with the exception of the 2nd base ump, who seemed to actually help - or be fair to - OUR team, maybe even missing a call in OUR favor for once).
- The Twins catch everything.
- Jason, Jason, and (imagine this) Jason killed us tonight.
- Can we friggin' get more then two hits in ONE FREAKING INNING without running ourselves out of it. Jeez! Maybe they should treat every inning like the 9th and we'd actually put hits together or something.
- Will our starting pitchers PLEASE stop giving up multiple-run home runs in late innings.
- AND, for those of you wondering, Jason Tyner weighs 175 pounds and Jason Bartlett weighs 178 pounds. And man, going by tonight, they rule!

What happened to winning a winnable game? Does it happen to this team anymore? It's frustrating, but I'm not about to give up. I'll be hoping that Mark is strong to EVERY BATTER he faces tommorow. I'll be in Baltimore, hoping that the O's staff is exactly what we need. And for the dark clouds and neysayes, I have a simple message to you all:

As fans, coming off watching a World Series Championship, we owe it to stand behind our guys until they are down and out for good. It's ONLY July 25 folks, they won't be that for a VERY long time (and we all hope not in '06). Stand tall and bring this team back. I know it's frustrating, but we owe it to them to try. They gave us '05.

This is NOT the team that gave us 2005.

New: Alomar, Thome, Cintron, Mackowiak, Vasquez, Thornton, Riske, MacDougal, Tracey, Montero, Logan, Haeger, Nelson (13)

Old: Widger, Harris, Everett, Frank, Blum, Timo, El Duque, Marte, Hermanson, Politte, Rowand, Shingo (12)

That 12 and half changes, exactly 50% of a 25-man roster!!!

Chicken Dinner
07-26-2006, 12:19 AM
I think things are turning. I liked what I saw from the pen tonight, the bats will heat up. A marginal attempt by a guy who doesn't play left field much and the game winning homer is caught. I think the tide is turning. And Hawk needs to melo out.

SouthSide_HitMen
07-26-2006, 12:19 AM
I understand you get emotional and shoot from the hip and that's cool. If you didn't care you wouldn't pontificate so much. That's cool...I'm just asking that you stop the 'I told you so garbage...' You know me better then that. if I didn't care I wouldn't have broken so many friggin' doors over the years.

:D:

Lip

Leave the destruction of doors and other furniture to Kenny and Ozzie - it is much cheaper that way. :D:

CaptainBallz
07-26-2006, 12:24 AM
Just got back. Haven't read the entire thread. Probably won't. One good thing I'll say, ONE, is that there actually seemed to be a little thing called GOOD BASEBALL being played tonight. The Sox were hustling, the Twins were hustling. This was actually a game that, eh, just didn't go our way. It was in no way a continuance of the annoying crap we've been seeing lately, save a lack of a few clutch hits.(you know who you are...)
*Remember* It was Santana vs. Contreras... It's bound to be close...but it WAS a good game.

We'll see what tomorrow brings.

Chicken Dinner
07-26-2006, 12:30 AM
This club is inches away from putting it all together. :smile:

DeadMoney
07-26-2006, 12:33 AM
This is NOT the team that gave us 2005.

New: Alomar, Thome, Cintron, Mackowiak, Vasquez, Thornton, Riske, MacDougal, Tracey, Montero, Logan, Haeger, Nelson (13)

Old: Widger, Harris, Everett, Frank, Blum, Timo, El Duque, Marte, Hermanson, Politte, Rowand, Shingo (12)

That 12 and half changes, exactly 50% of a 25-man roster!!!

The freaking core of the team, the same guys you all stand behind day-in and day-out are still here. The guys who stepped up in October and gave us game winning and huge HR's (Pods, Konerko, Crede, Dye), the guys who gave big innings down the stretch (McCarthy, Cotts, Jenks), the guy who carried the team into and through the playoffs (Contreras), the guys who ran out and gave us 4 straight complete games in the ALCS, the manager, the coaches, Iguchi - who hit a HUGH HR against Boston, Pierzynski - who is still being booed for doing nothing wrong, Uribe - who sacraficed his entire body to catch out number two of that last inning...

...if you want to talk numbers, let's talk about the starting guys because of those guys (14 of them, 15 if you include a closer, because bullpen guys ARE replacable, just like utility guys), 3 of the 15 guys have been replaced with something else. 3 of 15, 20 percent - that's nothing in Major League Baseball.

Don't tell me these arent the guys who gave us a World Championship. If you say these aren't the guys, you should go watch another team. Yes, Rowand is gone and Thome is here - so what. Those type of changes happen. Your argument is ridiculous and if your not standing behind this team and want to call them dead, you have no reason to be a Sox fan or even celebrate when this team makes the playoffs. I can't believe some of you people.

Ol' No. 2
07-26-2006, 12:42 AM
http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/back-to-the-future/back-future.jpg

What year is it??? I'd swear it was 2003 again.

D'Sphitz
07-26-2006, 12:45 AM
It's like a good friend of mine once said: "Just because you are paranoid, dosen't mean someone is not after you"

Kurt Cobain was a good friend of yours?

CubsfansareDRUNK
07-26-2006, 12:48 AM
Hey, everyone...MIKE MACDOUGAL IS ****ING AWESOME! I cheered my ass off for him tonight in section 528...good stuff. As for the game, probably the best loss (despite the records) i've seen in a while. I know that sounds weird, but I had a blast at the game. We fought back but came up short, what else can be said? We got the game tomorrow. I still love this team no matter what happens to them. I'm never backing down, and I will always support them.

Go White Sox....GO MIKE MACDOUGAL

The Dude
07-26-2006, 01:07 AM
Another tough game to attend as has been the case lately. Living and dying by the long ball, Farmerology as I now call it, will only get you so far.

Hopefully we can salvage the game tomorrow afternoon and then actually win a series or two against Baltimore and KC!

2000:D:

DumpJerry
07-26-2006, 01:12 AM
I was so upset, I'm still unable to talk to anyone hours after it ended. Good thing I live alone.

TornLabrum
07-26-2006, 01:16 AM
I was so upset, I'm still unable to talk to anyone hours after it ended. Good thing I live alone.

So does that mean you're back to talking to yourself again? :D:

DumpJerry
07-26-2006, 01:18 AM
So does that mean you're back to talking to yourself again? :D:
I can't even talk to him. I'm just.....just............sigh. Haven't felt this way since August '04.

peeonwrigley
07-26-2006, 01:29 AM
I vented to the cat until my girlfriend got home. Then I stopped talking to the cat and pretty much stopped talking all together.

Then when Bartlett came up for his AB after his HR I was like "THAT WAS HIS FIRST HR ALL YEAR!?!?!" (I don't know how I had not realized it before.... probably because I was in disbelief that little pop up left the yard.)

Girlfriend responded, "****, that's the kind of stuff that is supposed to happen to the Cubs."

Resume silence.

Ol' No. 2
07-26-2006, 01:33 AM
I see lots of people thinking this game was somehow a step forward, but I just don't see it. Corpseball returns - no life of any kind. It's home runs or nothing, and lately it's been a lot more nothing.

Contreras pitched OK. Not great, but he kept them in the game. Just as it's been for the last several games, they were one or two key hits away from winning. But those key hits never seem to come, and for good reason...they're all just waiting for them to come. The contrast with last year's team couldn't be more plain. Last year's team didn't wait around for the key hits, they made them happen. They ran, they bunted, they hit behind the runner...that's pretty much disappeared in the last two weeks as far as I can see. Plus, making things happen puts pressure on the defense. The Twins made several key defensive plays, but the Sox helped them out by not putting pressure on them. The Twins didn't have to worry about covering second on a steal or hit-and-run or any of the other things that they have to do when you play aggressive baseball. They just played the ball that was hit.

If they continue to wait around for this to turn around it never will. But they'll never get it started waiting around for the home runs to save them. They have to get back to the style of aggressive baseball that they played before. All that stuff about winning a lot of 1-run games being just luck is so much blather. You make your own luck, and they're not doing it.

Harry Potter
07-26-2006, 01:33 AM
As fans, coming off watching a World Series Championship, we owe it to stand behind our guys until they are down and out for good. It's ONLY July 25 folks, they won't be that for a VERY long time (and we all hope not in '06). Stand tall and bring this team back. I know it's frustrating, but we owe it to them to try. They gave us '05.

Amen brother

Chips
07-26-2006, 01:34 AM
So does that mean you're back to talking to yourself again? :D:
He's probably being Flubssessed right now. :redneck:tongue::cool:

thomas35forever
07-26-2006, 01:48 AM
Tonight's loss was more painful than last night. Once again, we had a RISP but couldn't come through once again. If I had posted this right after the game ended, I'd put up a crying icon. I'm not sure if Pods could have made that catch, but I know there was no chance Ozuna could. This team is in trouble. We better win tomorrow or we could be looking up at the Yankees by day's end.

box013
07-26-2006, 02:07 AM
Don't tell me these arent the guys who gave us a World Championship. If you say these aren't the guys, you should go watch another team. Yes, Rowand is gone and Thome is here - so what. Those type of changes happen. Your argument is ridiculous and if your not standing behind this team and want to call them dead, you have no reason to be a Sox fan or even celebrate when this team makes the playoffs. I can't believe some of you people.

But what about Uncle Timo? He spit the best sunflower seeds I've ever seen! It's all his fault that we aren't winning.

I think you've said it best!

Nellie_Fox
07-26-2006, 02:44 AM
But what about Uncle Timo? He spit the best sunflower seeds I've ever seen! It's all his fault that we aren't winning.:tealpolice:

BadBobbyJenks
07-26-2006, 03:10 AM
We lost to the best pitcher on the planet, get em tomorrow.


"'Cause everybody hurts. Take comfort in your friends
Everybody hurts. Don't throw your hand. Oh, no. Don't throw your hand
If you feel like you're alone, no, no, no, you are not alone

If you're on your own in this life, the days and nights are long,
When you think you've had too much of this life to hang on

Well, everybody hurts sometimes,
Everybody cries. And everybody hurts sometimes
And everybody hurts sometimes."


So, hold on, hold on
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on

Nellie_Fox
07-26-2006, 03:24 AM
We lost to the best pitcher on the planet, get em tomorrow.Bull****. He was out of the game when the Sox lost. Get 'em tomorrow is
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:4jht4iXZcv_b_M:http://www.davidpekrul.com/images/headinsand.jpg

BadBobbyJenks
07-26-2006, 03:53 AM
Bull****. He was out of the game when the Sox lost. Get 'em tomorrow is
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:4jht4iXZcv_b_M:http://www.davidpekrul.com/images/headinsand.jpg


??????????????????????? Santana pitched the 7th and got the win

Nellie_Fox
07-26-2006, 04:02 AM
??????????????????????? Santana pitched the 7th and got the winBecause he was the pitcher of record doesn't mean he's who beat the Sox. You may have noticed that the Sox had the winning run on base in the ninth. They had the 8th and 9th to score one run.

"get 'em tomorrow" is getting very old.

BadBobbyJenks
07-26-2006, 04:13 AM
So is we are doomed the season is over....

Grzegorz
07-26-2006, 05:51 AM
- AND, for those of you wondering, Jason Tyner weighs 175 pounds and Jason Bartlett weighs 178 pounds. And man, going by tonight, they rule!
Talent comes in all sizes. Remember guys like Frank Robinson, Roberto Clemente, Al Kaline, Carl Yastrzemski, & Joe Morgan?

As fans, coming off watching a World Series Championship, we owe it to stand behind our guys until they are down and out for good.
Also, I bet you mean you'll stand behind the White Sox even if they do not make the playoffs.

The White Sox have done some amazing things over the last few years and I am looking forward to the next few years to see what this team can do.

Playoffs or not, KW will correct the pitching situation by acquiring pitchers that are mentally tough and capable of holding runners on base.

Frontman
07-26-2006, 07:25 AM
I'm a girl. :redface: Let me know when the water/wine thing goes down, would you? :tongue:

Thanks for putting in the blush smiley for me! Oops, as they say on the street, "My bad."

:redface:

Goes to show you that even though we're in the 21st century, some of us neanderthals think only men follow and talk sports.

Front

Jurr
07-26-2006, 08:02 AM
When does the new Corpseball tag undergo construction? It's about time to drag it out.

wassagstdu
07-26-2006, 08:07 AM
We are in a free fall ....... It will take Ozzie Guillen and Kenny Williams' finest hour to see this team in the post season at all. They remind me of 1984. They look like they've packed it in.
Ever since Ozzie was publicly humiliated by Williams he has not looked like a man who is having fun. And the team has not been as loose as they were last year, even in the worst of times. I think if Ozzie weren't angry he would have been able to keep the team more up and pull out of the slump more easily. Also, if it weren't for the slump Ozzie would have shrugged off the public humiliation more easily. The two things work together, but I suspect that ill-advised public dress-down may have been a turning point in this season -- and who knows what more.

.

jenn2080
07-26-2006, 08:10 AM
I dont even have words for this slump anymore. I walked out of the stadium last night in utter disbelief that this is happening.

0o0o0
07-26-2006, 08:15 AM
most importantly, they have forgotten how to have fun.

Yep. They look absolutely lifeless.

jenn2080
07-26-2006, 08:19 AM
Yep. They look absolutely lifeless.

Agreed. It is just ashame. :whiner:

jenn2080
07-26-2006, 08:21 AM
I was so upset, I'm still unable to talk to anyone hours after it ended. Good thing I live alone.

Ya you and me both. My friends and I did not talk till somewhere on the northside and even then it was about what our weekend plan was for all of a minute.

TornLabrum
07-26-2006, 08:47 AM
Bull****. He was out of the game when the Sox lost. Get 'em tomorrow is
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:4jht4iXZcv_b_M:http://www.davidpekrul.com/images/headinsand.jpg

Sorry, but that's bull****. Getting them tomorrow is the only thing you can do when you've lost today.

Magnepan
07-26-2006, 09:35 AM
are far from garbage....The Twins are 29 & 7 since Bartlett has taken over at short. THAT'S 29 AND 7. Cuddy has finally earned a starting position and his fielding/throwing and his bat have all improved.....garbage? Hardly.

nasox
07-26-2006, 10:45 AM
Sorry, but that's bull****. Getting them tomorrow is the only thing you can do when you've lost today.

You could just jump off. But to me, getting a win tomorrow seems like a better option.

southsideirish71
07-26-2006, 11:03 AM
We have 3, count them 3 guys who either hit or nearly hit triple digits on the radar gun at the back of our pen. So in a tie game, and into the 7th inning, when your starting pitcher who is near a 100 pitches puts 2 men on. No matter how they got there, you go to one of those 3 to give you an advantage and keep the game rolling. You dont let your nearly exhausted pitcher keep battling. He threw an 0-2 forkball that hung over the middle of the plate. The only reason it didnt hit the concourse was because it was Bartlett hitting. We make more bad 0-2 pitches this year than I have ever seen. Ozzie needs to learn how to pull a pitcher. Near 100 pitches, in a tie game, with the go ahead run at 2nd. Thats about the time.

Ol' No. 2
07-26-2006, 11:09 AM
We have 3, count them 3 guys who either hit or nearly hit triple digits on the radar gun at the back of our pen. So in a tie game, and into the 7th inning, when your starting pitcher who is near a 100 pitches puts 2 men on. No matter how they got there, you go to one of those 3 to give you an advantage and keep the game rolling. You dont let your nearly exhausted pitcher keep battling. He threw an 0-2 forkball that hung over the middle of the plate. The only reason it didnt hit the concourse was because it was Bartlett hitting. We make more bad 0-2 pitches this year than I have ever seen. Ozzie needs to learn how to pull a pitcher. Near 100 pitches, in a tie game, with the go ahead run at 2nd. Thats about the time.Unless, of course, the reliever gives up the HR, at which point we bitch about why didn't he leave him in.:rolleyes:

CommanderPudge72
07-26-2006, 11:15 AM
Ya you and me both. My friends and I did not talk till somewhere on the northside and even then it was about what our weekend plan was for all of a minute.

I understand the frustration.....but it'll be sweet when we come back and the media starts talking about the MN and Detroit slides...what I am hanging my hopes on is this:

1. We're the Champs, not them...not Santana, not Lariano, not Verlander, not fricken Munroe...we are.

2. Out starting pitching is starting to come around...and our hitting can't be this bad forever.

3. We should be coming out of this, and Detroit and MN should be ending their hot streaks...Outside of this stint, does anyone think we can't play with those team??? F#$$$# A we can.

No team goes without hitting the wall and MN and Detroit are prime for it soon, we already have ours. We took their best punches and we are still within striking distance....

Who wants my Kool-Aid????? C'mon

Twin Lover
07-26-2006, 11:34 AM
you can put it on the boooooaarrrrrrrrrrrrdddd......YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

:dtroll: :dtroll: :dtroll: :dtroll: :dtroll: :dtroll:

Lip Man 1
07-26-2006, 11:54 AM
For the Sox to start climbing out of this I think they literally need to use the oldest cliche in the book...take it one game at a time.

They need to play well. Mark needs to pitch well, get a win and move on.

With Baltimore and Kansas City coming up, they have a chance to gain back some ground and increase the separation in the wild card (4 teams within 3.5 games) assuming they continue to play well.

At least under the circumstances they are now in they won't be taking those teams for granted since they are both bad ones.

Lip

jenn2080
07-26-2006, 12:53 PM
I understand the frustration.....but it'll be sweet when we come back and the media starts talking about the MN and Detroit slides...what I am hanging my hopes on is this:

1. We're the Champs, not them...not Santana, not Lariano, not Verlander, not fricken Munroe...we are.

2. Out starting pitching is starting to come around...and our hitting can't be this bad forever.

3. We should be coming out of this, and Detroit and MN should be ending their hot streaks...Outside of this stint, does anyone think we can't play with those team??? F#$$$# A we can.

No team goes without hitting the wall and MN and Detroit are prime for it soon, we already have ours. We took their best punches and we are still within striking distance....

Who wants my Kool-Aid????? C'mon


I will take a shot of it. And I agree. It is beyond frustrating but I still confident that there is a ray of light at the end of the tunnel. THis is far from over. We need to get the team back that came in to Anaheim and swept them. The team that also swept Cinci, Oakland, Minnisota earlier this season. They have it in them and it isnt over:gulp:

CommanderPudge72
07-26-2006, 01:22 PM
I will take a shot of it. And I agree. It is beyond frustrating but I still confident that there is a ray of light at the end of the tunnel. THis is far from over. We need to get the team back that came in to Anaheim and swept them. The team that also swept Cinci, Oakland, Minnisota earlier this season. They have it in them and it isnt over:gulp:

Hell ya...that's the spirit...

Actually, I was more frustrated by Monday's game than yesterday...maybe has something to do with the pitching....

But before we spoil our rep, and get accussed of being Mary Sunshines...I think it is safe to say we both still want Javy out......he's gotta go...gotta go.

If Javy recovers in fine style, I will be the first to say mea culpa.

Now, what do you want with that Kool-Aid shot...perhaps a jager bomb, twice served over the body of that banned Twins fan troll?

See, guys like that, they just get me scrappy and rilled up...they don't break my heart....I save that for the ladies.


:thumbsup:

jenn2080
07-26-2006, 02:04 PM
Hell ya...that's the spirit...

Actually, I was more frustrated by Monday's game than yesterday...maybe has something to do with the pitching....

But before we spoil our rep, and get accussed of being Mary Sunshines...I think it is safe to say we both still want Javy out......he's gotta go...gotta go.

If Javy recovers in fine style, I will be the first to say mea culpa.

Now, what do you want with that Kool-Aid shot...perhaps a jager bomb, twice served over the body of that banned Twins fan troll?

See, guys like that, they just get me scrappy and rilled up...they don't break my heart....I save that for the ladies.


:thumbsup:


how about an O bomb? BTW I still hate Vazquez

CommanderPudge72
07-26-2006, 02:20 PM
I would have been dissapointed in you to hear otherwise....

I tolerated Javy, after many big innings, till the Detroit fiasco.

BTW, what is this O Bomb you speak of...my hobby is trying new shots, so I am intrigued.