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Grzegorz
07-24-2006, 04:52 AM
I'd hate to see this tool on the White Sox. All my background information on this guy indicates he's a not a team player.

A friend on mine attended the Cubs-Nationals series in DC and said that on a foul pop on the left field side Ryan Zimmerman, who was playing third base, ran a mile for the pop-up while Soriano didn't move an inch.

This guy seems to be selfish; he'd destroy one on the best things about this White Sox team: chemistry.

KW, this would be a short term acquisition at best with the down side being a detriment to the White Sox.

Please do not execute this deal!!!

KRS1
07-24-2006, 05:10 AM
If you did your homework on him, he is actually supposed to be a great teammate and clubhouse guy. He works hard to be one of the best, and indeed he has become just that. Beside the whole preseason thing where he didnt want to make the move to a position completely foreign and unfamiliar to him, I had never heard a bad word spoken about the guy. You cant blame a guy for wanting to stay where he was comfotable, however bad he was there, when he was having the kind of success he had while playing there, its all about psyche to some. Did he make a big stink about the move? No... Did he express his displeasure with it? Yes... In the end did he do what was best for the club (and himself a little) by going out the the spot they asked him to play? Yes. I dont really want him as bad as some, he certainly would be nice, but we would be packaging a great deal of talent to obtain him for a possible two month rental.

munchman33
07-24-2006, 06:48 AM
I'm sick of all the "say no" to Soriano threads. As if this team isn't in a heap of trouble. As if Podsednik's year last year wasn't an obvious abberition. As if the Tigers and the Twins aren't the other teams after Soriano. As if he doesn't have one fewer homerun than Jim Thome.

All you "say no" guys are probably the same guys crying in the offseason over the losses of players like Carl Everett and Geoff Blum.

Tragg
07-24-2006, 07:56 AM
I'm sick of all the "say no" to Soriano threads. As if this team isn't in a heap of trouble. As if Podsednik's year last year wasn't an obvious abberition. Podsednik's OPS is 40 points higher this year than it was last year.
As if Soriano isn't enjoying a career year against NL competition. Does Soriano address the weaknesses of this team? I thought he was an outfielder, not a pitcher. Of course we're in trouble...all we can do is try to improve our team. Trading young talent for a RENT of Soriano, doesn't help this club. Now, if we can swing a Durham-like trade, that's something else. But that's doubtful, as we just gave up more for Alomar than we got for Durham.
It's hard to fix the
As if the Tigers and the Twins aren't the other teams after Soriano. We can't prevent the Tigers and Twins from getting a good player.


All you "say no" guys are probably the same guys crying in the offseason over the losses of players like Carl Everett and Geoff Blum. Let's turn that around.....Shall we re-visit the clammor for "Trade the farm for AJ Burnett" that occured last year at this time? In the end, we didn't make any of those absurd deals won the WS. It's a similar situation because Burnett was perceived to be an upgrade on pitching, which was the strength of last year's team; Similarly, Soriano doesn't address a weakness, but is perceived to improve a strength. Trading serious talent to rent a player who might improve a strength (and weaken the defense) is dubious.

I guess it's just a difference in philosophies.....I think the goal should be to make the team competitive year in and year out, and fine-tune at midseason, which gives us a chance every year. Others think the goal should be to trade everything you can this year if it improves your chances of winning this year.

Thome25
07-24-2006, 09:00 AM
Say "Yes" to Linebrink and/or Hernandez. We don't need Soriano. He is a below-average defensive player and right now we have no open position for him.

Take the Soriano rumors for what their worth. KW is trying to drive up the market on the Tigers and Twins and keep him out of our division.

Prime example: KW actually came out and admitted the rumor. That is NOT his style. His style is to "fly under the radar."

Deals that "came out of nowhere":
Alomar Jr.
Vazquez
Thome
Blum
Podsednik
Garcia
Contreras
Ritchie
Wells
Colon

Deals that KW actually admitted to before they happened:

NONE

SOXfnNlansing
07-24-2006, 10:20 AM
we don't need him or should want him imo. Something should be said about a 'superstar' who never spends more than 2 years on the same team.

viagracat
07-24-2006, 10:57 AM
I don't think it'll happen and too believe it's a gambit by KW, although I did like his quote that you can't win the 2008 championship in 2006. IOW, you need to build a winner when you have a clear opportunity to do so, as the Sox do this year. The future is never guaranteed. Unfortnately, the Sox are now in a position where they may have to do a rental to make the post-season. You know the competitors will.

I could think of worse situations than renting Soriano and moving Pods to center.

White Sox Randy
07-24-2006, 11:36 AM
I don't think there is any chance that this will happen.

I don't think that KW is serious.

Although, he is having such a great year that he would provide a spark. I think that our problem is not that we need more offense. The only problem with our offense LATELY is that we have not been executing and I don't think that Soriano will be any help with that.

Chicken Dinner
07-24-2006, 11:38 AM
I'd take Soriano over Pods any day. He can lead off and play as good of left field as Pods can. It would be a huge upgrade and our offense would scare the **** out of any pitcher.

chaerulez
07-24-2006, 11:41 AM
Yeah, I don't think Soriano is that much of a bad clubhouse guy or lazy enough that we need to make threads about how we don't want or need him. He may not be the best fit for this team, but I think he'd be an upgrade at least.

santo=dorf
07-24-2006, 11:41 AM
For those pointing out how Pods' numbers are better than last year, you have to remember how hurt he was in the second half and how it took a toll on overall numbers. I don't think it's fair to say 2005 was an "abberation," but he was only really good in the first half and game 2 of World Series.

I'm not going to get on him like I did with Widger, but I wouldn't mind seeing a replacement.

MadetoOrta
07-24-2006, 11:54 AM
I say NO. He'll costs us way too much and won't stick around either - unless the Sox agree to put him at second base which of course hurts us defensively.

Great hitter. Not needed. Just say NO Kenny.

The Dude
07-24-2006, 12:09 PM
I'd hate to see this tool on the White Sox. All my background information on this guy indicates he's a not a team player.

A friend on mine attended the Cubs-Nationals series in DC and said that on a foul pop on the left field side Ryan Zimmerman, who was playing third base, ran a mile for the pop-up while Soriano didn't move an inch.

This guy seems to be selfish; he'd destroy one on the best things about this White Sox team: chemistry.

KW, this would be a short term acquisition at best with the down side being a detriment to the White Sox.

Please do not execute this deal!!!

Give me a ****ing break! Soriano would be a huge upgrade over Pods in LF. Oh and lets make sure we rule him out to KW because of a friend of yours observation during a Cubs game.:rolleyes:

:threadblows:

PatK
07-24-2006, 12:38 PM
FWIW, Pods fielding % is only slightly higher than Soriano's (.965 to .962).

Pods has 2 less errors than Soriano (6 to 8).

Soriano leads all outfielders in the majors in assists (13, to Pods' 2).

kittle42
07-24-2006, 01:06 PM
FWIW, Pods fielding % is only slightly higher than Soriano's (.965 to .962).

Pods has 2 less errors than Soriano (6 to 8).

Soriano leads all outfielders in the majors in assists (13, to Pods' 2).

The last stat is most important.

Plus, fielding stats generally do not tell the story.

Minnie Me
07-24-2006, 01:53 PM
http://www.starstruck.com/Images/gallery/Product/SSProductImgs/P0053360.jpgGoing to my fourth team in six years. Do you want me to play LF? (but I love DC and playing for Robbie)

getonbckthr
07-24-2006, 02:00 PM
If and only if they can guarentee resigning him.

NonetheLoaiza
07-24-2006, 02:01 PM
It doesn't really matter in my opinion. Kenny is fueling the trade talks to drive up the price on the Tigers. Would I want Soriano? Not really, we have the offense, which is what you are getting from him. If we needed to add players, we should add those with defensive ability or those who would solidify our pitching. I can't imagine giving up any players that would make a trade for a rental work.

Jaffar
07-24-2006, 02:01 PM
ESPN 1000 news update reporting Sox are close to Soriano deal and that the Nats want McCarthy.............NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jaffar
07-24-2006, 02:02 PM
I just wanted to add that I hate this time of year because trade rumors SUCK!

Jaffar
07-24-2006, 02:04 PM
ESPN is reporting that this deal is close to done and they even tossed McCarthy's name out there. I'm getting worried.

Ol' No. 2
07-24-2006, 02:05 PM
ESPN 1000 news update reporting Sox are close to Soriano deal and that the Nats want McCarthy.............NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!This sounds suspiciously like a Levineline scoop. Trade a promising young starting pitcher for a free-swinging LF in his walk year.:rolleyes:

Minnie Me
07-24-2006, 02:06 PM
ESPN 1000 news update reporting Sox are close to Soriano deal and that the Nats want McCarthy.............NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every day all star calibar outfielder for unproven middle relief guy? Hum, hey, ha, gosh dang it. Just do it.

getonbckthr
07-24-2006, 02:08 PM
This sounds suspiciously like a Levineline scoop. Trade a promising young starting pitcher for a free-swinging LF in his walk year.:rolleyes:
Tim Kurkjian just reported it on ESPNEWS. Mike Macdougal coming from KC as well.

nasox
07-24-2006, 02:08 PM
BMAC (just testing to see if filter is on) is not going anywhere. Period.

russ99
07-24-2006, 02:10 PM
I always thought that ditching a player at the deadline in his walk-away year returns less value than normal. I guess there's more dumb GM's around thsi year than usual.

McCarthy will be a starter for the Sox next year, and his short term potential is much more valuable than a 3-month rental of Soriano.

Kenny's obviously driving the price up for everyone else.

The real deadline move that Kenny will make is, as usual, under the radar.

MadetoOrta
07-24-2006, 02:11 PM
I like McDougall. Thanks KC. He helps. Re Alfonso .... NO!

Ol' No. 2
07-24-2006, 02:11 PM
Tim Kurkjian just reported it on ESPNEWS. Mike Macdougal coming from KC as well.I have no doubt the Nats would like McCarthy. I very much doubt Kenny would be that stupid to trade baseball's most precious commodity (young pitching) for a free-swinging LF in his walk year. You just don't pay that much for a two-month rental.

Chicken Dinner
07-24-2006, 02:11 PM
Do I want him.....sure.......but what's the price?

Zisk77
07-24-2006, 02:18 PM
Hell yeah! rafael Soriano is just the rh to shore up our bullpen situation. What does the mariners want for him?

TornLabrum
07-24-2006, 02:19 PM
I have no doubt the Nats would like McCarthy. I very much doubt Kenny would be that stupid to trade baseball's most precious commodity (young pitching) for a free-swinging LF in his walk year. You just don't pay that much for a two-month rental.

I'd also point out that in his interview with Levineline and Bryan Dolgin just yesterday, KW said that McCarthy is there for insurance if something happens to one of the starting five. "That was the plan when the season started, and that's the plan now."

soxfanaticpaulie
07-24-2006, 02:20 PM
No thanks. I don't want him. This team doesn't need another free swinging HR hitter. It needs to get back to what won it all for them last year. Rock Solid Defense, Good Pitching, and fundamental, move the runners along offense.

If Soriano plays LF does Pod's sit? If so, who leads off? Does Pods play CF? I hope not....

This sounds like BS. Kenny isn't this stupid. Good work driving up the price on the Tiggers though.

BeviBall!
07-24-2006, 02:45 PM
I say yes. I absolutely love Soriano's style of play. A masher who can execute the little things and steal a bases like it's nothing. Reports out of Washington say his transition to the outfield was easy and that he's developed into a good defensive player.

McCarthy is not Buehrle. If you can lock up Soriano, you have to do this deal.

Argalarga
07-24-2006, 02:49 PM
I want Soriano. The fact is, the pitching just isn't getting it done the way we did last year, and we have to compensate. If we're going to give up more runs, than we need to score more runs, and Soriano will go a long way toward helping us do that.

kevingrt
07-24-2006, 02:52 PM
NAy, to the maximus

kevingrt
07-24-2006, 02:58 PM
Like a Soriano trade... Yea or Nay?

sircaffey1
07-24-2006, 02:58 PM
Yay

CPditka
07-24-2006, 03:01 PM
Yea, only if you can sign him. Otherwise NO

Beer Can Chicken
07-24-2006, 03:02 PM
FWIW, Pods fielding % is only slightly higher than Soriano's (.965 to .962).

Pods has 2 less errors than Soriano (6 to 8).


Soriano leads all outfielders in the majors in assists (13, to Pods' 2).
IIRC, 3 of Soriano''s errors were also in 1 game the first week of the season after having minimal playing time in LF.
If we re-sign him, YES.

PorkChopExpress
07-24-2006, 03:03 PM
It totally depends on who we are giving up for him. I do not think I like it if we give up McCarthy.

DSpivack
07-24-2006, 03:06 PM
If we have to give up McCarthy, nay.

PaulDrake
07-24-2006, 03:42 PM
I'd hate to see this tool on the White Sox. All my background information on this guy indicates he's a not a team player.

A friend on mine attended the Cubs-Nationals series in DC and said that on a foul pop on the left field side Ryan Zimmerman, who was playing third base, ran a mile for the pop-up while Soriano didn't move an inch.

This guy seems to be selfish; he'd destroy one on the best things about this White Sox team: chemistry.

KW, this would be a short term acquisition at best with the down side being a detriment to the White Sox.

Please do not execute this deal!!! My sentiments exactly.

Frater Perdurabo
07-24-2006, 03:47 PM
Soriano v. Pods might be a wash defensively, and Soriano brings far superior power. Yet when the Sox have had problems offensively, it hasn't been a lack of power - it's been a lack of fundamental execution. With a runner on second with no outs in a tight game, I'd rather have Pods at the plate than Soriano, just because Pods is likely to execute a succesful sacrifice bunt or ground ball to the right side to get the runner to third with one out. Soriano's much more like to strike out, pop out or otherwise fail to advance the runner, as he would be swinging for the fences. It's no surprise that the Yankees never won a World Series with Soriano as a mainstay in their lineup, and that the Rangers put up great numbers but failed to win anything of significance with him in their lineup.

I'd rather have Pods as the leadoff hitter. I'd rather have Anderson than Pods in center. I'd rather not give up McCarthy. If the price is McCarthy plus more, this really would be a dumb move. If more right-handed power with some speed is what they really want, they can sign Sammy Sosa right now and would not have to give up McCarthy.
:(:

miker
07-24-2006, 04:28 PM
http://www.starstruck.com/Images/gallery/Product/SSProductImgs/P0053360.jpgGoing to my fourth team in six years. Do you want me to play LF? (but I love DC and playing for Robbie)
Then maybe he's coming to make our other gypsy, Vazquez, feel at home?

thomas35forever
07-24-2006, 04:36 PM
I gotta say no to this one. If you're getting excited over this, you'll just be getting your hopes up over nothing like the Ken Griffey Jr. rumor from last year. I still have confidence in Pods and I believe he'll continue to step up.

cbotnyse
07-24-2006, 04:38 PM
this is funny....after 54 votes....its 27 - 27 ...This is tearing WSI apart!!!

miker
07-24-2006, 04:59 PM
this is funny....after 54 votes....its 27 - 27 ...This is tearing WSI apart!!!
Rumor is the deal is off...what are we going to fight about now?

StatHead21
07-24-2006, 06:13 PM
Rumor is the deal is off...what are we going to fight about now?

I don't think its dead but its not happening today.

BadBobbyJenks
07-24-2006, 06:14 PM
NAY



how does this really address any needs the whitesox have....Last time I checked, we are not into the rental business

Gremlin3
07-24-2006, 06:20 PM
We need a third option thats says I trust Kenny.

whitesoxfan1986
07-24-2006, 06:30 PM
I'll pass unless we get him locked up AND don't part with McCarthy.
The latter doesn't seem to be happening if we get him so I voted NO.

Kwrubac
07-24-2006, 06:56 PM
I love Pods as much as the next Sox fan, but Soriano would be an improvement, Scotty just doesn't seem to have it anymore....I don't think this is going to happen though the Nats want the farm for him...I hope he doesn't end up on the Tiggers...that's the last thing we need...

Grzegorz
07-24-2006, 08:33 PM
I could think of worse situations than renting Soriano and moving Pods to center.

At what cost? What would this organization have to give up to rent this guy? The White Sox already traded two good prospects for MacDougal.

Drive up the price Kenny and then back out; bleed the other organizations dry.

WMG
07-24-2006, 08:41 PM
I am more concerned on "where is he gonna play" than I am the cost.

I think Soriano in left and Pods in center will cost the Sox more runs than they will gain with the offensive upgrade.

buehrle4cy05
07-24-2006, 09:16 PM
Nay if we keep him, yay if we swing him for somebody else.