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Thome25
07-23-2006, 11:21 AM
I know Joe Crede is still arbitration eligible for a couple more years but what do you think the chances are of the Sox signing him long term?

He was our playoff hero last season and it looks like he is fast becoming the fan favorite among Sox fans.

I'm asking this question because I know Scott Boras is his agent and I'd hate to see him go when the time comes.

Is Crede your favorite/one of your favorite players? and would you like to see the Sox sign him to a multi-year contract the same way they did with Garland?

Scottiehaswheels
07-23-2006, 11:24 AM
Crede has been my favorite player for years now since he's what my fave position was in H.S./College... Chances of signing him to a long term deal 50/50... depends on what you mean by long term.... he's not going to get any sort of 5 year deal like Konerko, especially with his back problems, but once he's available for free agency we might sign him to a 3 year deal.. or we might work a way to sign him to a 3 year deal in his last year of arb

Jjav829
07-23-2006, 11:25 AM
Yes, I would like to see Crede locked up long-term. He's one of the best, if not the best, defensive 3B in all of baseball and we're finally seeing him be the hitter that we thought he could be. He's the youngest of our core hitters and should be around once the others leave the team or retire.

And yes, he's my favorite player right now, so that doesn't hurt.

ewokpelts
07-23-2006, 11:25 AM
It ALL DEPENDS ON HIS BACK.

I was pretty down on crede for a while, but he's really improved on the field as well as with his bat. But that creaky back might be too much of a liability.
Gene

Thome25
07-23-2006, 11:30 AM
Crede has been my favorite player for years now since he's what my fave position was in H.S./College... Chances of signing him to a long term deal 50/50... depends on what you mean by long term.... he's not going to get any sort of 5 year deal like Konerko, especially with his back problems, but once he's available for free agency we might sign him to a 3 year deal.. or we might work a way to sign him to a 3 year deal in his last year of arb

I was looking at maybe a 3 or 4 year deal similar to what they gave Garland.

soxtalker
07-23-2006, 11:45 AM
I can see KW either trading him (for which I voted) or signing him to a long-term deal. Either choice involves a lot of risk. A lot depends on his back.

Thome25
07-23-2006, 11:59 AM
I can see KW either trading him (for which I voted) or signing him to a long-term deal. Either choice involves a lot of risk. A lot depends on his back.

I don't want to see him meet the same fate as another White Sox fan favorite at 3B and sign with another team.

Hopefully we lock him up for a little while and it won't be a similar situation as Ventura to the Mets.

SouthSide_HitMen
07-23-2006, 12:09 PM
It ALL DEPENDS ON HIS BACK.

I was pretty down on crede for a while, but he's really improved on the field as well as with his bat. But that creaky back might be too much of a liability.
Gene

I agree. The club knows his health status best and that will probably be the biggest issue regarding the length and amount of the White Sox offer.

Joe Crede has been my favorite player since he was brought up and had his magical summer in 2002. His home run against the Toons was The Play of the 2005 regular season. That said this is a business and we have a highly rated replacement if the White Sox feel Crede will not be able to contribute at his current level for the cost and length of what Joe Crede is seeking.

I am cautiously optimistic the team will be able to keep Joe's back issues in control with scheduled rest and treatment and the team will get something done despite the fact Boras is his agent.

munchman33
07-23-2006, 12:31 PM
The real question should be "what are the chances Crede drops Boras as his agent?". Because unless he does, HE GAWN.

viagracat
07-23-2006, 12:35 PM
Yes, I would like to see Crede locked up long-term. He's one of the best, if not the best, defensive 3B in all of baseball and we're finally seeing him be the hitter that we thought he could be. He's the youngest of our core hitters and should be around once the others leave the team or retire.

And yes, he's my favorite player right now, so that doesn't hurt.

But you have Jim Thome in your sig! :redneck

soxtalker
07-23-2006, 12:39 PM
I don't want to see him meet the same fate as another White Sox fan favorite at 3B and sign with another team.

Hopefully we lock him up for a little while and it won't be a similar situation as Ventura to the Mets.

I think that Ordonez is a more analogous situation than that of Ventura. If they sign Crede, they are taking a risk that his back injury could get worse. On the other hand, if they trade him (probably more likely than allowing him to walk like Ordonez), they risk that another team will have a long-term star 3rd baseman.

viagracat
07-23-2006, 12:39 PM
There are some credible reports (see the thread in Talking Baseball) that Fields may be converted to an outfielder in order to get him to the majors more quickly. Take that for what it's worth...

No one on the Sox has blossomed more than Crede in the past couple of seasons. I think the Sox will work, even with Boras, to lock him up for awhile.

Jjav829
07-23-2006, 12:45 PM
But you have Jim Thome in your sig! :redneck

Yeah, well, he's a close 2nd. :smile:

Plus he is the new guy in town, so I figured I'd go with Thome. :cool:

Thome25
07-23-2006, 01:03 PM
There are some credible reports (see the thread in Talking Baseball) that Fields may be converted to an outfielder in order to get him to the majors more quickly. Take that for what it's worth...

No one on the Sox has blossomed more than Crede in the past couple of seasons. I think the Sox will work, even with Boras, to lock him up for awhile.

I heard that rumor too. Looks like Fields might be more likely to replace one of the corner outfielders in Podsednik or Dye rather than Crede.

There still is the possibility that they are tabbing Fields as the 3B of the future because he is the only name (that I know of anyway) out there as far as 3B prospects in our system.

Does anyone know what Crede would command on the free-agent market as far as other 3rd basemen with comparable stats are getting? That's hypothetically speaking because he is still arbitration eligible.

Come on stat-heads I need your help!!:D:

soxfanreggie
07-23-2006, 01:08 PM
If Crede's back holds up, I would love to see us get him long-term.

JUribe1989
07-23-2006, 01:55 PM
Because of his back, I doubt the Sox would take a chance to sign him long term with the large contract he would want. He can make a lot of money elsewhere. With Josh Fields down in AAA, using all that money to sign someone with an uncertain back would probably not be wise.

kevingrt
07-23-2006, 09:55 PM
Yes, I would like to see Crede locked up long-term. He's one of the best, if not the best, defensive 3B in all of baseball and we're finally seeing him be the hitter that we thought he could be. He's the youngest of our core hitters and should be around once the others leave the team or retire.

And yes, he's my favorite player right now, so that doesn't hurt.

I pray he stays as much as you Jjav

MrRoboto83
07-23-2006, 10:15 PM
If he gets his Gold Glove as he deserves that will drive up the price.

MRM
07-23-2006, 10:37 PM
It's a non-issue for a coupla years, but if he continues to hit like he has since the middle of last year I could see him being dealt after this year or next to maximize return. Ozzie has publicly nixed the Fields to the OF thing, so unless Josh is traded as part of a deal in the next week or so I think Joes days are numbered. Sox+Boras+back issues definately = no long term deal.

russ99
07-23-2006, 10:50 PM
I think Joe is under Sox control for another year. So the soonest he'd leave is next November. I'd love to see him stay, but Boras may make that impossible.

I think Ordonez's situation two years ago is a bit similar - the Sox would love to lock him up, but at a rate that takes his back problems into account. Boras wants to break the bank, and couldn't care less about keeping a player on the same team. I'm sure Boras is ready to come up with doctors with different views than the Sox on Joe's future health to ensure the big contract from someone. I'd wish Crede would fire him, but that's doubtful since players seem to love that he can get the big contracts, despite his odorous methods.

It probably won't end well, so let's enjoy him while we can, and hope Fields is ready to take over in '08. BTW: I voted for arb.

EDIT: Free agency isn't until after 6 years of service, so Joe sneaks under the wire (3 years 100+ days at Opening Day 06 - gotta check my media guide) and he's arb eligable for 2 more years. Of course, if Boras decides to play hardball in those 2 arb cases, he might be gone sooner than fall of '08.

DumpJerry
07-24-2006, 12:10 AM
Ok, it's late, had a long day (Sox game, etc.) so I'm too tired to do the search function. It was reported here last fall that Crede has been quoted as saying that he wants to stay with the White Sox long term and if his representation does not agree with that plan, he will get new representation.

I vote he stays as long as his back allows him to stay.

Tragg
07-24-2006, 12:19 AM
If you're going to trade Crede, this (after this or next season) is the time to do it. He's cheap, he's got a great glove, and he has some power...the kicker is whether his average is legit or an aberration. The other kicker is when or if Fields can play ML 3rd and the progress of Anderson (because we don't need 2 .200 hitters in the lineup). Point is, we'd be selling high and get a legit haul for Crede... much, much more than we'd get for Fields. (some people on here want to trade him for a middle reliever - that's no value at all).
Then consider the rumors about trading him for Blaylock in the offseason (thankfully, that nonsense was merely rumor).

I've defended Crede since day 1...I'm always more patient with talented young players than most...but I think an after season trade is worth considering.

Perhaps we should try Fields in the OF, although that could detract from his development as a 3rd basemen. Regardless, Fields is ranked in the top 5 of 3B prospects in baseball, and is an extremely valuable player that shouldn't be used in rents, trades for relievers, etc.

Steelrod
07-24-2006, 02:52 AM
Boras clients typically do not sign multi year contracts prior to free agency. In fact he slows the process down and they don't even sign early. Unless Joe makes it clear to Boras that he wants to stay (as opposed to telling the press he wants to stay), we will move on prior to him signing with anybody. The good news is he'll be here on more year.
Say it ain't so, Joe!

esbrechtel
07-24-2006, 01:25 PM
i think it would be wise to give him a contract much like garlands...we are very spoiled with joe at third his defense is possibly the best in either league, i would take joe over names like a rod, chavez, rolen, etc. plus he has been hitting around .300....from what i have heard about our thirdbasemen down on the farm his defense is below average...sure he can hit in AAA but will it translate? and how many doubles will the opposition get with out Joe's diving stabs...bad back or not i would sign him to a 3 year deal with an option for a 4th....

Fake Chet Lemon
07-24-2006, 01:39 PM
Once you learn that BorAss is Crede's agent, how do you select any option in that poll other than HE GONE? I'm stunned that HE GONE is pulling single digits in this poll.

STRETCH!!!
07-24-2006, 05:08 PM
i think it would be wise to give him a contract much like garlands...we are very spoiled with joe at third his defense is possibly the best in either league, i would take joe over names like a rod, chavez, rolen, etc. plus he has been hitting around .300....from what i have heard about our t..

I wouldn't take him over Rodriguez or Rolen, but I'd put him on a par with Chavez.

One thing that is certainly has been lost for the most part in the modern game the prospect of a player spending his whole career with one club; it's rare.

Crede showed his mettle last year with clutch hits down the stretch and in the playoffs, and he's been our guy for awhile, the Sox developed him in the minors, he broke in with the team and wen through some struggles but eventually blossomed. He's a classy play, and so I would hate to see himego ..... but, senimentality aside, if his back is truly shaky and if we have a good prospect in the wings, I guess his long term future is not so good. Nevertheless, I'd like to see Crede be the type of player who spends 10-12 with the team at the same position.

MDF3530
07-24-2006, 06:32 PM
I'd like to see Crede in the Sox pinstripes for years to come. That being said, however, I don't think that'll happen for two reasons: 1. If faced with a choice between ingesting poison or dealing with Scott Boras, Reinsdorf would probably choose the poison, and 2. You know King George will be looking for a new third baseman soon if A-Rod continues airmailing the ball.

Jjav829
07-24-2006, 09:21 PM
Once you learn that BorAss is Crede's agent, how do you select any option in that poll other than HE GONE? I'm stunned that HE GONE is pulling single digits in this poll.

Sigh...:(:

I think I'm gonna put this comment in my sig.

Crede told the Daily Southtown in July that he wanted to continue his career on the South Side and that if he believed his representation was not keeping his best interest in mind, "I'd make some changes."

LongLiveFisk
07-24-2006, 09:57 PM
I don't want to get my hopes up seeing as his agent is the Grim Reaper, but you never know. I think KW will definitely do his best to keep Joe around for a while.

:borass:
"Grim Reaper? How dare you compare me to an amateur?"