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Railsplitter
07-22-2006, 12:07 PM
Let's be truthful, as of this moment (roughly noon, Saturday July 22, 2006) the Sox have problems. Mark hasn't pitched well in over a month, the long balls come with nobody on base, and bunting is terrible.

Before anybody goes with "games behind", that is the most useless statistic in sports. All it entails is adding the difference btween games won and games last and dividing by two. Is a team that finishes five games behind a team that "wins" a division with and 82-80 record as good as team that finishes five games behind a team that wins 100?

Over the last two weeks, the Sox have won on 20% of there games. Clearly, what the Sox need to do is to start playing smart, get the pitchers throwing to thier potential and stay focused. They're still in the lead for the wild card race, so it might be better for the Sox to just concentrate on that. They still have most of thier head-to head games left againt Detroit. Just make sure everything is working right when that happens.

miker
07-22-2006, 01:19 PM
Can't argue with anything you said. Let's go get 'em!

thomas35forever
07-22-2006, 01:32 PM
Ozzie said in today's paper not to discuss the wild card because it's "loser talk." He still wants to take the division.

QCIASOXFAN
07-22-2006, 01:40 PM
Ozzie said in today's paper not to discuss the wild card because it's "loser talk." He still wants to take the division.:rolling: Oh man thats hilarious. I can just picture Ozzie in my head saying that. He does bring up a damn good point though. I have faith in Ozzie that he will get the job done.

oeo
07-22-2006, 02:22 PM
Ozzie said in today's paper not to discuss the wild card because it's "loser talk." He still wants to take the division.
That's what I said earlier this week when someone was talking about the Wild Card. It is loser talk...it's July 22, that's a lot of baseball left.

Buehrle is going to be fine, though. After that 5-run third, he was great. Apparantly (according to Reifert's blog), Coop said Buehrle was one start away from being the old Buehrle again.

He needs to throw strikes early down in the zone. He needs to get ahead of hitters and then come inside with his cutter. He needs to be able to throw inside whenever he wants. He is one start away from being the old Mark Buehrle we know.
Well...outside of the third inning, he was great...so I think he will be back the next time around.

Yesterday's game wasn't lost by Buehrle, anyway, it was lost by the Sox offense that can't score unless they hit a homerun, and the bullpen, who just **** their pants.

SoxEd
07-22-2006, 02:38 PM
Before anybody goes with "games behind", that is the most useless statistic in sports.


Come on 'splitter, you never heard of 'VORP'?
:wink:

Patrick134
07-22-2006, 02:44 PM
Thanks much for starting this thread. I hadn't realized the Sox were struggling.

TDog
07-22-2006, 02:59 PM
Ozzie said in today's paper not to discuss the wild card because it's "loser talk." He still wants to take the division.

He's right. The wild card is a consolation prize. And if the Sox finds themselves in the wild card race, they will find tougher competition than they would find competing with the Tigers for the division, Detroit's record notwithstanding.

If it's a two-team race for the division, it would be a three- or four-team race for the wild card. In the American League it won't be a question about the wild-card contenders being softer teams. A lot depends on who the teams are playing in late September, but if Detroit has the title in hand and the wild card contenders are the Yankees/Red Sox, Blue Jays and Twins, you are the wild card teams being teams the Tigers could fear. What distinguishes the wild card from the East and Central Division winners will not be how good they are in September, but the games they won and lost through good and bad times during the six-month season.

If winning the division would be hard, winning the wild card would be harder.

SoxEd
07-22-2006, 03:37 PM
If winning the division would be hard, winning the wild card would be harder.

Plus, if you are AIMING to win the Division, it increases your chances of winning the Wild Card.

viagracat
07-22-2006, 03:42 PM
I think all of us except the :dtroll: 's still believe the Sox can win the division, as do I. But if that doesn't come to pass and the Sox get the WC, I'm cool. The important part is making the playoffs.

Detroit is far from safe right now.

Chips
07-22-2006, 03:48 PM
I think all of us except the :dtroll: 's still believe the Sox can win the division, as do I. But if that doesn't come to pass and the Sox get the WC, I'm cool. The important part is making the playoffs.

Detroit is far from safe right now.

Some other people seem to think we won't win the division.

Search my sig for them.

StatHead21
07-22-2006, 03:48 PM
Mark actually lowered his July ERA last night on the positive side...

MarySwiss
07-22-2006, 04:33 PM
Mark actually lowered his July ERA last night on the positive side...

Then why can't I find anything positive in that? :?:

goon
07-22-2006, 04:55 PM
two positives:

jermaine has hitting .385 since the all-star break.

joe has been hitting .450 w/ 2hr, 7 RBI's, since the all-star break.

rowand33
07-22-2006, 05:40 PM
Some other people seem to think we won't win the division.

Search my sig for them.

hey I got two eye rolls! :D:

To clarify, I have never, ever said we couldn't win the division. My point is that we won't if we continue to play ****ty 2004 White Sox Baseball; teams that mash are not good team. You don't win a world series by winning every game 10-9. I think we can win the division/make the playoffs. I've never said "trade the farm! we need help." We have the talent, we just don't use it, and it's about time for these guys to start living up to their potential.

We are great on paper. Our record is testament to the talent on this roster. But we just play poorly most of the time.

I'd really like to see you refute that statement with factual evidence. The sox have never played to their potential this season. Not being able to lay down bunts, leaving guys on base, and pitching like **** all qualify as "playing poorly" and this isn't just something that's come up during the last 10 games.

lukeman89
07-22-2006, 05:52 PM
im sick of seeing threads about the sox "problems"

its called a slump. buehrle will get out of it. our hitters will start to get hits again with RISP. ozzie has already worked a bunch of guys on bunting. just wait it out.

Railsplitter
07-24-2006, 10:00 AM
its called a slump.

True, but I don't want any complacency, from the fans or the players. If the Sox win two-thirds of thier remaining games, they win 101 games. whether that will be enough to take the division reamins to be seen.

If the season ended today the Sox would be the Wild Card. Although not a division leader, they can concentrate on winning games a forget about scoreboard watching.

I'm no fan of the Wild Card, but a team that figths it's way for it is more likely to do well in the Post season than one that falls into it.

Railsplitter
07-24-2006, 10:02 AM
Come on 'splitter, you never heard of 'VORP'?
:wink:

Actually, no.

And, please, cal me "Rail" or "Rails"

jenn2080
07-24-2006, 10:02 AM
Thanks much for starting this thread. I hadn't realized the Sox were struggling.

News to me too. I dont think anyone has started a thread like this.

southside rocks
07-24-2006, 10:49 AM
True, but I don't want any complacency, from the fans or the players. If the Sox win two-thirds of thier remaining games, they win 101 games. whether that will be enough to take the division reamins to be seen.



Who's complacent? And who are you to forbid it? :tongue:

I'm not complacent, but I'm also not freaking out about the Sox batters being in a slump right now. It happens. I bet it happens to the Tigers at some point in the remaining 2+ months of the season.

I'm enjoying a gorgeous summer of White Sox baseball. I sure hope they go to the post-season (and win it all, again)-- but if they don't, well, I'm not going to tie a boat anchor to my leg and jump into Lake Michigan! If they play good baseball the rest of the way, I'll take whatever the season brings.

jenn2080
07-24-2006, 11:06 AM
This thread is no different then the Sox are flawed thread.