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Ol' No. 2
07-22-2006, 12:46 PM
Nailing Pods last night in the bottom of the 9th when the Rangers didn't have to come up to bat to face retaliation was classic Showalter chicken ****. If I were in Ozzie's shoes, I'd have Garcia bury his first pitch in somebody's ribs. If you don't, you know what's going to happen: a Rangers' pitcher is going to drill another Sox player, warnings will go out to both benches, and a Sox pitcher is going to get tossed and suspended for retaliation. The Sox will become targets the whole series.

That's bad for team morale, and right now, they don't have any to spare.

Scottiehaswheels
07-22-2006, 12:49 PM
We'll start the game with Tracey to plunk the very first batter and get him tossed... Then Freddie will come on in relief... LOL

soxfanatlanta
07-22-2006, 12:49 PM
When the Sox retaliate, things could get out of control. We could have ourselves a cathartic brawl on our hands - popcorn anyone?

JohnBasedowYoda
07-22-2006, 12:57 PM
We'll start the game with Tracey to plunk the very first batter and get him tossed... Then Freddie will come on in relief... LOL

Hmmmm Not a bad idear

BadBobbyJenks
07-22-2006, 12:58 PM
Just what we need to get out of a slump, A Bean Ball War, sweeeeeet.

LuvSox
07-22-2006, 01:01 PM
I want to see Ozzie punch Showalter right in the puss a few times.

TheOldRoman
07-22-2006, 01:02 PM
I want to see Teixiera's batting helmet shatter.

viagracat
07-22-2006, 01:05 PM
If there's a warning before the game, which wouldn't surprise me at all; Garcia and Guillen would be gone on the first HBP of the game if the Sox do it. Hell, maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing the way Garcia's been lately. :cool:

Seriously though, suspensions and possible injury to a guy like Thome are NOT what we need right now. I hope the Sox don't start a beanball war. But if Texas starts something, by all means we have retaliate, consequences be damned. But it's not in the Sox's interest to instigate.

TheOldRoman
07-22-2006, 01:07 PM
If there's a warning before the game, which wouldn't surprise me at all; Garcia and Guillen would be gone on the first HBP of the game if the Sox do it. Hell, maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing the way Garcia's been lately. :cool:

Seriously though, suspensions and possible injury to a guy like Thome are NOT what we need right now. I hope the Sox don't start a beanball war. But if Texas starts something, by all means we have retaliate, consequences be damned. But it's not in the Sox's interest to instigate.
Texas already started something - a month ago. They escalated it last night. It's on.

JermaineDye05
07-22-2006, 01:11 PM
the way we've been playing as of late, the last thing we wana do is give a team free baserunners

The Dude
07-22-2006, 01:11 PM
I predict a brawl tonight or tomorrow. I also have a feeling Freddy's outing will also be short and not based on performance. :cool:

Ol' No. 2
07-22-2006, 01:18 PM
the way we've been playing as of late, the last thing we wana do is give a team free baserunnersThat's the second to last thing. The last thing they need is to have targets on the hitters' backs and to roll over when someone gets plunked. They can't let Showalter have a free shot today. You just know if he gets it, he'll take it.

viagracat
07-22-2006, 01:25 PM
That's the second to last thing. The last thing they need is to have targets on the hitters' backs and to roll over when someone gets plunked. They can't let Showalter have a free shot today.

If someone on the Sox gets hit; yes, I expect full-scale retaliation and will be upset if anything less than that happens. However, I don't want the Sox to stoop to Texas's level by starting a beanball war, and as I said before, I imagine the umpires will issue a warning even before the game starts. And I don't want to see Dye, Konerko, Thome, etc go on the DL because some punk-assed pitcher drilled him in the ribs or God forbid, the head. Nothing good ever comes out of these situations.

More often than not, these dire predictions never amount to anything. We'll see, I guess.

Lip Man 1
07-22-2006, 01:28 PM
Nothing happens. That's been the Sox way this season (which I strongly disagree with.)

Lip

greygoose
07-22-2006, 01:31 PM
If someone on the Sox gets hit; yes, I expect full-scale retaliation and will be upset if anything less than that happens. However, I don't want the Sox to stoop to Texas's level by starting a beanball war, and as I said before, I imagine the umpires will issue a warning even before the game starts. And I don't want to see Dye, Konerko, Thome, etc go on the DL because some punk-assed pitcher drilled him in the ribs or God forbid, the head. Nothing good ever comes out of these situations.

More often than not, these dire predictions never amount to anything. We'll see, I guess.

That is exactly why he need to throw at them, they are already throwing at us.

Ol' No. 2
07-22-2006, 01:31 PM
If someone on the Sox gets hit; yes, I expect full-scale retaliation and will be upset if anything less than that happens. However, I don't want the Sox to stoop to Texas's level by starting a beanball war, and as I said before, I imagine the umpires will issue a warning even before the game starts. And I don't want to see Dye, Konerko, Thome, etc go on the DL because some punk-assed pitcher drilled him in the ribs or God forbid, the head. Nothing good ever comes out of these situations.

More often than not, these dire predictions never amount to anything. We'll see, I guess.If the umpires issue warnings before the game, that might be the end of it. If they don't, you know as well as I do that Showalter will hit first. Ozzie can't let that happen. Hit first, then let the warnings get issued. Let Showalter get his guy tossed and suspended if he wants to retaliate.

Scottiehaswheels
07-22-2006, 01:33 PM
If the umpires issue warnings before the game, that might be the end of it. If they don't, you know as well as I do that Showalter will hit first. Ozzie can't let that happen. Hit first, then let the warnings get issued. Let Showalter get his guy tossed and suspended if he wants to retaliate.Only problem with that is we have Wendelstedt's crew... thats the same group that tossed Mark w/o warning in Baltimore last year right?
Edit: Nevermind that was West's crew, the other jerk

cheeses_h_rice
07-22-2006, 01:34 PM
How about the Sox just beat them on the field? I know, crazy idea.

:rolleyes:

Ol' No. 2
07-22-2006, 01:36 PM
Only problem with that is we have Wendelstedt's crew... thats the same group that tossed Mark w/o warning in Baltimore last year right?If they do, they do. Ozzie can't let his guys become targets. The only way to prevent that is not to give Showalter a chance to hit first. And I know of only one way to do that.

Scottiehaswheels
07-22-2006, 01:38 PM
Ha really insane idea... send tracy out to plunk the first batter... if he doesn't get tossed then, have him plunk another guy... then when he does get tossed have thornton come in and shut em down.... then freddie "starts" the 2nd :D:

QCIASOXFAN
07-22-2006, 01:38 PM
I predict a brawl tonight or tomorrow. I also have a feeling Freddy's outing will also be short and not based on performance. :cool:I'm predicting it will happen tomorrow, but if it did happen tonight that would be sweet too.:cool:

SoxSpeed22
07-22-2006, 01:40 PM
Showalter seems like the type of guy that would hide behind the umps. This might get too personal. Where's Carl Everett when you need him?

greygoose
07-22-2006, 01:42 PM
Showalter seems like the type of guy that would hide behind the umps. This might get too personal. Where's Carl Everett when you need him?

I miss Carl - he wouldn't let this stuff go on like Vasquez did.

Chips
07-22-2006, 01:45 PM
How about the Sox just beat them on the field? I know, crazy idea.

:rolleyes:

Sounds like a good idea to me.

credefan24
07-22-2006, 01:46 PM
How about the Sox just beat them on the field? I know, crazy idea.

:rolleyes:

I agree totally. Lets not lose our focus. The real goal is making up those 6 1/2 games. I really could care less about retaliation, if Freddy can throw decent, and we hit well and win.

miker
07-22-2006, 01:48 PM
How 'bout Freddy's first pitch gets away from him...right into the Rangers' dugout!

MarySwiss
07-22-2006, 01:50 PM
How about the Sox just beat them on the field? I know, crazy idea.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, that would be preferable, but Showalter is a world-class jerk. After that Pods plunking last night (which, as someone else said, is classic Showalter chicken **** behavior), there's no way these two games will pass without an incident of some kind. And if someone is going to get hit, I'd rather it be one of them. Actually, I'd rather it was Showalter, but there's no way he's going to show his mug if there's a chance of that happening.

Who knows? Maybe a bench-clearing brawl is just what this team needs to wake them up.

Scottiehaswheels
07-22-2006, 01:52 PM
Its gonna be REALLY hard to win if say Konerko/Thome/Crede/AJ get plunked just right by some jerk on the elbow and god forbid we lose them for a month or more.... Retaliation isn't supposed to be about you get our guy we get yours tit for tat... Its supposed to stop the intentional beanings altogether which I don't think many people realize...

Timmy D's
07-22-2006, 02:02 PM
How about the Sox just beat them on the field? I know, crazy idea.

:rolleyes:

I like your plan the best!!!!

Frater Perdurabo
07-22-2006, 02:36 PM
Everyone, just hold on a minute. Since I live in Texas, I watched the game on TV last night on the Rangers' home station (the Sox feed was not available to me; beggars can't be choosers). When Pods got nailed, I too thought it was "typical Showalter" to have his pitcher peg a Sox batter when there was no way a Sox pitcher could to retaliate in that game.

But after they showed several replays of Pods getting hit, the telecast replayed showed Showalter's instant reaction in slow motion. Showalter immediately grimaced, pounded his fist and simultaneously took the Lord's name in vain, followed immediately by "damnit." The Rangers' announcers even commented that Buck was pissed off that it happened. This was not a fake or staged reaction. It was genuine. Buck is a prick, but he was not happy that Pods got nailed. Last night's plunking was not something that Buck ordered or even wanted to happen.

That being said, I think the Sox sould send a message to Padilla that he can't hit our batters. Garcia needs to plunk someone in the top of the first inning to get both benches warned.

MarySwiss
07-22-2006, 02:42 PM
Everyone, just hold on a minute. Since I live in Texas, I watched the game on TV last night on the Rangers' home station (the Sox feed was not available to me; beggars can't be choosers). When Pods got nailed, I too thought it was "typical Showalter" to have his pitcher peg a Sox batter when there was no way a Sox pitcher could to retaliate in that game.

But after they showed several replays of Pods getting hit, the telecast replayed showed Showalter's instant reaction in slow motion. Showalter immediately grimaced, pounded his fist and simultaneously took the Lord's name in vain, followed immediately by "damnit." The Rangers' announcers even commented that Buck was pissed off that it happened. This was not a fake or staged reaction. It was genuine. Buck is a prick, but he was not happy that Pods got nailed. Last night's plunking was not something that Buck ordered or even wanted to happen.

Sorry, Frater. Not buying it, not for a second.

Do you really think that Showalter did not know that the camera would immediately pan to him in the dugout? He's a jerk, but he's not stupid. OF COURSE, he wanted it to look like an accident. And those were the Rangers announcers; what were they supposed to say?

10-3, 2 outs, Pods gets plunked. Too damn pat.

CLR01
07-22-2006, 02:48 PM
Nailing Pods last night in the bottom of the 9th when the Rangers didn't have to come up to bat to face retaliation was classic Showalter chicken ****. If I were in Ozzie's shoes, I'd have Garcia bury his first pitch in somebody's ribs. If you don't, you know what's going to happen: a Rangers' pitcher is going to drill another Sox player, warnings will go out to both benches, and a Sox pitcher is going to get tossed and suspended for retaliation. The Sox will become targets the whole series.

That's bad for team morale, and right now, they don't have any to spare.


Warning or no warning the pitcher and Ozzie will probaby be tossed. I say do it anyway.

MarySwiss
07-22-2006, 02:50 PM
Warning or no warning the pitcher and Ozzie will probaby be tossed. I say do it anyway.

I agree. This is getting way beyond ridiculous.

Mohoney
07-22-2006, 02:53 PM
But if Texas starts something, by all means we have retaliate, consequences be damned. But it's not in the Sox's interest to instigate.

Charge the mound, then. Don't get a pitcher tossed for retaliation, retaliate with a mound charge, then brawl.

MarySwiss
07-22-2006, 02:54 PM
Charge the mound, then. Don't get a pitcher tossed for retaliation, retaliate with a mound charge, then brawl.

I like the way you think. :cool:

SoxSpeed22
07-22-2006, 02:56 PM
The only thing I have to say from what Frater Pedurabo quoted is:
Don't **** in my cupcake and tell me it's frosting.

Not aimed at FP, but Showalter.

Frater Perdurabo
07-22-2006, 02:57 PM
Sorry, Frater. Not buying it, not for a second.

Do you really think that Showalter did not know that the camera would immediately pan to him in the dugout? He's a jerk, but he's not stupid. OF COURSE, he wanted it to look like an accident. And those were the Rangers announcers; what were they supposed to say?

10-3, 2 outs, Pods gets plunked. Too damn pat.

Not everything is a conspiracy against the Sox. Most of it is, but not all. :tongue:

Whining about being the victim (I'm NOT accusing you of doing so, but others are) isn't going to get the Sox anywhere. I agree that the Sox need to set the tone in the top of the first inning tonight with an intentional pegging.

But sometimes unfortunate and unintended accidents happen that circumsances make appear intentional. IMHO this was one of them. If you saw Buck's immediate reaction, then I welcome a debate over it. But if you didn't see it, IMHO your opinion on his reaction, facial expression, etc. lacks legitimacy.

MarySwiss
07-22-2006, 03:03 PM
Not everything is a conspiracy against the Sox. Most of it is, but not all. :tongue:

Whining about being the victim (I'm NOT accusing you of doing so, but others are) isn't going to get the Sox anywhere. I agree that the Sox need to set the tone in the top of the first inning tonight with an intentional pegging.

But sometimes unfortunate and unintended accidents happen that circumsances make appear intentional. IMHO this was one of them. If you saw Buck's immediate reaction, then I welcome a debate over it. But if you didn't see it, IMHO your opinion on his reaction, facial expression, etc. lacks legitimacy.

That might be true if I had not had ample opportunity to observe his antics when he was manager of the D'Backs. IIRC, he was basically considered a humorless dictatorial jerk--by his own team.

And IMO, the timing of this little "unfortunate and unintended accident" is enough to make it suspect, in and of itself.

nasox
07-22-2006, 03:48 PM
If we do it, and Garcia gets tossed, then we can see how BMAC (just testing to see if the filter is on) will pitch if he ever gets the chance to start.

jongarlandlover
07-22-2006, 03:52 PM
Warning or no warning the pitcher and Ozzie will probaby be tossed. I say do it anyway.

I agree. Showalter can't just get away with hitting our batters. Something's going to have to happen eventually.

DickAllen72
07-22-2006, 04:01 PM
Nothing happens. That's been the Sox way this season (which I strongly disagree with.)

Lip

Ozzie talks too much but so far the Sox haven't shown a willingness to protect their hitters.

DickAllen72
07-22-2006, 04:02 PM
I miss Carl - he wouldn't let this stuff go on like Vasquez did.

AMEN!

DickAllen72
07-22-2006, 04:05 PM
Its gonna be REALLY hard to win if say Konerko/Thome/Crede/AJ get plunked just right by some jerk on the elbow and god forbid we lose them for a month or more.... Retaliation isn't supposed to be about you get our guy we get yours tit for tat... Its supposed to stop the intentional beanings altogether which I don't think many people realize...

Thank you! If the Sox don't start protecting their players, they're going to have a tough time when they lose A.J or Crede or some other key player.

KyWhiSoxFan
07-22-2006, 04:10 PM
Freddie needs to retire the first two guys and then drill the third batter (I don't care if it's Young). I'm tired of Ozzie doing nothing but talk about protecting our hitters.

If they relatiate, tomorrow we throw at the head of the first batter in the box.

soxwon
07-22-2006, 04:11 PM
Dont play that game
no one gets drilled
except ozzie should drill his starting 9

viagracat
07-22-2006, 04:12 PM
Charge the mound, then. Don't get a pitcher tossed for retaliation, retaliate with a mound charge, then brawl.

That's the spirit! If you're going to get tossed at least go out in a blaze of glory.

No teal, btw.

DSpivack
07-22-2006, 04:31 PM
That might be true if I had not had ample opportunity to observe his antics when he was manager of the D'Backs. IIRC, he was basically considered a humorless dictatorial jerk--by his own team.

And IMO, the timing of this little "unfortunate and unintended accident" is enough to make it suspect, in and of itself.

Well, as long as he stays Rangers' manager, because their next manager will get them a ring, no?

MarySwiss
07-22-2006, 04:31 PM
Well, as long as he stays Rangers' manager, because their next manager will get them a ring, no?

Seems to be the pattern! :D:

hose
07-22-2006, 04:35 PM
I didn't get the impression that Pod's was drilled on purpose. It looked like the pitcher didn't release the ball properly and botched his follow through. The timing of it was pretty bad but I don't expect any retaliation from the Sox tonight.

FielderJones
07-22-2006, 04:59 PM
Freddie needs to retire the first two guys and then drill the third batter (I don't care if it's Young).

That's exactly what I was thinking on the ride home from the game last night, and made that prediction. I'm standing by it, and will be surprised if someone doesn't get drilled in the first inning.

getonbckthr
07-22-2006, 05:18 PM
I'm tired of the ***** like attitude this city's baseball teams have had for ages. That is what made AJ running over Barrett so sweet. That is why I applauded Ozzie chewing Tracey's ass out before, and also why Riske jumped from 25 to somewhere in the top 10 on my favorite Sox player list when he got the boot. Tonight first pitch should be at Wilkerson's ribs. If they hand out warnings 2nd pitch in his ear. Whats the worst that can happen? Freddy suspended for 5 games which is no big deal for a starter since he pitches every 5th day. Ozzie gets a game or 2, i'm sure we would survive. What are the positives? If a brawl breaks out that could be the thing, like with other teams in baseball's history, that brings this team together. We can have all-stars at every position but it doesn't mean success. If we can get this team to a point where they are willing fight for each other then that will be when this team takes off.

SoxEd
07-22-2006, 05:21 PM
[Slight Hijack]

then we can see how Fingernails on a blackboard (just testing to see if the filter is on)

So, the Fingernails on a blackboard filter works here but not on the Test Board?

Whodathunkit?
[Slight Hijack]

On the subject of plunking, I tend to agree that we need to 'get our retaliation in first'.

It might fire up our team but, more importantly, we HAVE to be willing to retaliate for last night's unfortunate Pods HBP.

Just as surely as Barrett HAD TO punch AJ after that play, we HAVE TO retaliate against Texas, because if we don't, we are metaphorically dropping our pants to our ankles and bending over - for our opponents to give us a public spanking.

Is it the 'sporting' thing to do, or the best way to win the game tonight?
No.

But, it is, IMO, psychologically absolutely vital to not lay down and let other teams 'walk all over us' - instead we must reassert the power/hunger/aggression/will to win of the 2006 Sox.
And the best way to start is by plunking a Ranger in the top of the first, and allowing the Umps to warn both benches.

BeefyD
07-22-2006, 05:31 PM
I am all for playing a clean game, but this HAS gotten out of control. When I saw Pods getting drilled in the legs (of all places), I almost jumped out of my chair (which my 1 month old that I was holding would not have liked....).

Remember, though, this is a team, and by letting this go without retaliation, it lowers morale. Wasn't it just last year that Buehrle gave up a game, and a game length STREAK, by getting tossed because he drilled someone in retaliation? Yes. And we all commended him for it.

For a good read, and to get everyone back in the spirit, read the old thread:
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=55343

"Buehrle's six-inning streak ended at 49 games with two outs in the fifth thanks to dope home plate umpire Brian Gorman, who ejected Buehrle for hitting B.J. Surhoff. This was in retaliation for Daniel Cabrera hitting A.J. in the back with a 3-0 fastball in the top of the fifth."

WSox8404
07-22-2006, 05:37 PM
How about the Sox just beat them on the field? I know, crazy idea.

:rolleyes:

I was thinking the same thing. What a novel idea.

Chicago
07-22-2006, 05:44 PM
I say Guillen puts Tracey up to the test again. Redemption

getonbckthr
07-22-2006, 05:56 PM
How about the Sox just beat them on the field? I know, crazy idea.

:rolleyes:
So your buddy gets punched in the face for no reason you wouldn't have his back? This is a similar situation only this wasn't a fist it was a baseball traveling at 90 mph. Is it the morale thing to do? No. Will the Pearly Gates of Heaven approve of it? Probably not. Is it the correct move to do as far as protecting and backing up a friend or colleague? You bet your ass it is.

Chicago
07-22-2006, 06:04 PM
Will the Pearly Gates of Heaven approve of it?

Do not do to others what you would not want done to you. :D:

Ol' No. 2
07-22-2006, 06:10 PM
Everyone, just hold on a minute. Since I live in Texas, I watched the game on TV last night on the Rangers' home station (the Sox feed was not available to me; beggars can't be choosers). When Pods got nailed, I too thought it was "typical Showalter" to have his pitcher peg a Sox batter when there was no way a Sox pitcher could to retaliate in that game.

But after they showed several replays of Pods getting hit, the telecast replayed showed Showalter's instant reaction in slow motion. Showalter immediately grimaced, pounded his fist and simultaneously took the Lord's name in vain, followed immediately by "damnit." The Rangers' announcers even commented that Buck was pissed off that it happened. This was not a fake or staged reaction. It was genuine. Buck is a prick, but he was not happy that Pods got nailed. Last night's plunking was not something that Buck ordered or even wanted to happen.

That being said, I think the Sox sould send a message to Padilla that he can't hit our batters. Garcia needs to plunk someone in the top of the first inning to get both benches warned.I'm not buying this act, either. But bottom line, it makes no difference. Given the history, the Sox have to act before Showalter gets his chance, because you know he will have no qualms about drilling someone if he gets a chance. I'm sick of other teams drilling one of our guys then our pitcher gets tossed and suspended for retaliation. Let's have it the other way around for a change.

The surest way to put a stop to this nonsense is for Garcia to plunk someone right in the slats in the first inning. If he gets tossed, he gets tossed. The alternative is worse.

rowand33
07-22-2006, 06:31 PM
Freddy needs to plunk somebody early.

if he gets suspended, he gets suspended. I wouldn't mind seeing B.Mac start anyways.

Frater Perdurabo
07-22-2006, 06:58 PM
That might be true if I had not had ample opportunity to observe his antics when he was manager of the D'Backs. IIRC, he was basically considered a humorless dictatorial jerk--by his own team.

And IMO, the timing of this little "unfortunate and unintended accident" is enough to make it suspect, in and of itself.

I thought about the fact that you must have seen him in action in Arizona after I posted my previous reply. I've observed him be a humourless, dictatorial jerk in Texas, too, and I think several of the Rangers players think so as well.

I agree it's suspect. But again, sometimes we Sox fans have to step back and realize that not everything is nefarious as it seems. Again, I'm only going off his reaction, but it really seems that he wasn't acting for the camera. JMHO, though.