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Lip Man 1
07-21-2006, 10:55 PM
Finally!!!!!

Mandatory bunting practice and a choice comment or two.

"That's embarrasing. When you've got Ozzie Guillen and Joey Cora and Tim Raines on your coaching staff and you stink at bunting, then you're not taking advantage of your coaching, you don't want to learn or you don't care." --Ozzie Guillen.

From White Sox.com:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060721&content_id=1568213&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

Lip

TornLabrum
07-21-2006, 10:57 PM
Finally!!!!!

Mandatory bunting practice and a choice comment or two.

From White Sox.com:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060721&content_id=1568213&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

Lip

Lip, remind me in a couple of weeks, after the WCSF newsletter is out with quotes from Ozzie back in June, to publish what I think is one of the most telling quotes of all.

Lip Man 1
07-21-2006, 10:58 PM
No problem Hal. I'd be very interested to hear what Ozzie told you.

Lip

nasox
07-21-2006, 10:59 PM
The article says Ozzie put in mandatory bunting practice before the June 3 game against these very same Rangers. It didn't last for long, so I'm glad he's doing it again.

QCIASOXFAN
07-21-2006, 11:01 PM
To remedy the problem, Guillen had Tadahito Iguchi, Pablo Ozuna, Alex Cintron, Rob Mackowiak, Brian Anderson, Chris Widger, Ross Gload and Scott Podsednik taking extra bunting practice before Friday's game against the Rangers. Why didn't Juan join the festivities??

Lip Man 1
07-21-2006, 11:05 PM
QCIA:

Excellent question. Uribe has cost us time and again because he can't lay down a sacrifice.

Nasox:

According to the story it sounds like Ozzie is going to keep this in for awhile. Blames himself for stopping it earlier.

Lip

Lip Man 1
07-21-2006, 11:15 PM
WOW! :o:

Ozzie had some stronger words in Van Dyke's Tribune story. It does sound like he's beginning to get really pissed.

"They have to show me they're going to do the bunting and the little things or it's going to be instructional league for them because this is embarrassing, it's embarrassing for a big-league ballclub to not do the things that they're supposed to do."

He calls out certain individuals "we have guys hitting .200, hitting .180...you know who you are." and talks about this being a home run or nothing club.


http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-060721soxbrite,1,5639870.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

Lip

MrX
07-21-2006, 11:32 PM
I guess that's why Pods was trying to bunt for a basehit tonight. The camp must have jogged his memory that he can do that.

Bill Naharodny
07-21-2006, 11:33 PM
To remedy the problem, Guillen had Tadahito Iguchi, Pablo Ozuna, Alex Cintron, Rob Mackowiak, Brian Anderson, Chris Widger, Ross Gload and Scott Podsednik taking extra bunting practice before Friday's game against the Rangers. Why didn't Juan join the festivities??

Exactly my question.

But here's a bigger question: why doesn't Ozzie call for the bunt in key situations, like yesterday with Widger and today with Uribe? This has to start with the manager. You want a grinder mentality? Then manage that way.

And one more thing -- an observation from several months ago. Before the first Sox-Cubs game at the Cell, I was watching the pregame festivities on Comcast. They showed batting practice.

At a certain point in time, these same guys -- Gload, Widger, Mack, etc. -- were doing their bunting work. Now I've never seen major league players go through bunting practice. And I have no idea what went on before or after I was watching. But suffice it to say, these guys were completely half-assing it out there. Just mailing it in. Not one ounce of concentration.

I didn't think much of it at the time. But it seems all too telling now.

MrX
07-21-2006, 11:33 PM
Why didn't Juan join the festivities?? :uribe:
"Because if I bunt, I can't hit a homerun"

CLR01
07-21-2006, 11:38 PM
:uribe:
"Because if I bunt, I can't hit a homerun"


You can barely hit a HR when you swing for the fences Juan.

Frontman
07-21-2006, 11:41 PM
Good to see some fire coming from Ozzie over this lazy play.

One thing I can't understand, though. Against Left handed starters, we tend to see Pods and AJ on the bench, Thome still in the lineup. Someone brought up on the Score yesterday that Thome needs to learn how to hit lefties, to which Dan B. commented something like "Jim Thome is 35 years old. What you see is what you get with him."

Ok, that's fine. Thome is winding his career down, he's probably not all of a sudden going to become a leftie killer, but why then wouldn't you see either Pods or AJ or both then in there against lefties? Aren't they still young enough to "learn" how to hit major league lefties? Yes, AJ (just like all major league catchers) cannot play 162 games a year; and Ozzie obviously uses the leftie starts to rest AJ. I just can't believe that all it takes is a left handed pitcher to remove 2 of our 9 from the starting lineup. In our division, there are far too many lefties to keep benching AJ, and lead off hitters need to be playing almost every day to keep their timing not only at the plate, but on the base paths.

I just don't get that.

Front

Lip Man 1
07-21-2006, 11:43 PM
Bill:

It's like I posted yesterday. This team is waiting for something to happen instead of forcing something to happen. And that squarely falls on Ozzie (of course he may have lost confidence that members of the club can do anything he wants, which limits what he can call for...)

A bad situation right now but one that's been building since they went through the motions in spring training.

Lip

Patrick134
07-21-2006, 11:48 PM
It's called a slump. Looks incredibly like last years slump to be honest. Nobody is "going through the motions". Slumps have a way of looking like that. Slumps can be worsened when guys try too hard, or too little. If anything guys are trying too hard out there to do too much.

Lip Man 1
07-21-2006, 11:59 PM
Patrick:

I disagree. The Sox in the spring looked flat and lethargic. They opened the season dropping 4 of 5 including blowing two games to the Royals the first week.

The had a good stretch in late April / early May and a better one for about three weeks in June but there have been other stretches where the inability of executing fundamental baseball, which they did so well last season is killing them.

Consistency has been a main issue, something that except for six weeks last season, wasn't a problem. They've been inconsistent a lot longer this season despite by all accounts having a better team with more talent.

If you could drop down a bunt in 05 why can't you in 06? (or hit and run, steal a base ect...) and the pitching has been far worse in both the bullpen (expected) and the starters (shockingly)

Lip

Corlose 15
07-22-2006, 12:03 AM
Crack some skulls Ozzie. This team is pathetic at bunting. Hopefully they get it turned around and make this offense as versatile as it supposed to be.

TheDarkGundam
07-22-2006, 12:08 AM
Good. I've been waiting for Ozzie to get mad.
Hopefully this will be the spark the guys need. We need to bring back the "smartball" that worked so well last year.

oldcomiskey
07-22-2006, 07:52 AM
QCIA:

Excellent question. Uribe has cost us time and again because he can't lay down a sacrifice.

Nasox:

According to the story it sounds like Ozzie is going to keep this in for awhile. Blames himself for stopping it earlier.

Lip

LIp, while I agree with you in principal, it seems that the way the sox are hitting with RISP now, a sac wouldnt do much good. is it me or is it the Sox are going back to the old Valentin/Lee/Ordonez days of homer or nothing?

oscars gamble
07-22-2006, 08:14 AM
Patrick:






If you could drop down a bunt in 05 why can't you in 06? (or hit and run, steal a base ect...)

Lip

Thank you Lip. It seems that they have fallen in love with the long ball.
Remember last year Ozzie wanted a team that could do the small things you have talked about (one of the reasons for the Podsednik trade). It seems since Pods leg injury last year the "manufacturing of runs" has gone way down

The beginning of last year I recall several times the Sox would have a leadoff single, a stolen base, Iguchi would hit a ground out to second or a sac bunt and then Pods would come home on a sac fly or ground out.

This year the offense seems content to swing away and wait for the long one.

Scottiehaswheels
07-22-2006, 08:20 AM
call me insane but... i think part of the getting away from small ball thing has to do with Thome batting third... I say switch Dye and Thome around in the order and the small ball thing could take off again... Dye seems to be a much better 2 strike hitter than Thome is... this would mess up the righty/lefty thing but.... you could move Crede into the 6th spot and move A.J. down a slot... then you have righty/lefty 4-7 instead of 3-6

cwsfannick
07-22-2006, 08:42 AM
One of the distinct differences I see this year from last year is the fact that when Pods gets on Iguchi is not called onto bunt him over. Is this because Ozzie believes he is taking the bat out of Thome's hands?

russ99
07-22-2006, 09:28 AM
call me insane but... i think part of the getting away from small ball thing has to do with Thome batting third... I say switch Dye and Thome around in the order and the small ball thing could take off again... Dye seems to be a much better 2 strike hitter than Thome is... this would mess up the righty/lefty thing but.... you could move Crede into the 6th spot and move A.J. down a slot... then you have righty/lefty 4-7 instead of 3-6

Great post. I just watched the World Series DVD set (for perspective - we're really not that far off right now) and Dye was a hammer in the 3 spot. Not a bad idea.

Paulie needs to be moved down in the order, since he's just not getting it done. Ozzie should move him down until he remembers that every at-bat doesn't need to be a homer.

I really like the idea of shaking up the lineup, maybe this:

1. Pods
2. Iguchi
3. Dye
4. Thome
5. Crede (IMO - he can handle the 5 spot)
6. Konerko
7. A.J
8. Anderson
9. Uribe

Scottiehaswheels
07-22-2006, 09:39 AM
Great post. Funny how time changes things :smile: ... As soon as we traded for Thome I suggested something similar and was chastised for it..... I didn't like the idea of a really slow Konerko batting behind a somewhat slow guy in Thome then... I also was worried at the time that we would get away from the small ball game with 3 mashers and was told in I guess it was January that that wouldn't happen.... weird.... lol

I also predicted back to back to back championships:redface:

Jurr
07-22-2006, 09:53 AM
I'm reading that Paul Konerko isn't getting it done. Wha wha what????
Did you not see the other night against Detroit when he hit two bombs?

They've got 58 wins with this lineup. I don't think that's the problem. When teams are pressing, they look to hit homers a little more to catch a spark. This lineup is versatile. They can score in a bunch of ways. They're just not doing it right now, because everyone is pressing. Relax.

Craig Grebeck
07-22-2006, 10:07 AM
Thome draws A TON of walks, he belongs in the 3 hole just because of his OBP.

Craig Grebeck
07-22-2006, 10:08 AM
One of the distinct differences I see this year from last year is the fact that when Pods gets on Iguchi is not called onto bunt him over. Is this because Ozzie believes he is taking the bat out of Thome's hands?
Most likely, and because he may have realized that bunting in the 1st inning is the worst idea imaginable. If he bunted him over, Thome would be walked, and you'd set up an innning ending double play with Konerko, not to say it's likely, but it's more than feasible.

Scottiehaswheels
07-22-2006, 10:16 AM
Thome draws A TON of walks, he belongs in the 3 hole just because of his OBP.which is right now .013 higher than JD's even with 19 more walks... my idea of putting Dye in the 3 hole is to get greater speed in front of Konerko to hopefully avoid those DP's like you mentioned in your following post..... JD can steal a bag now and then.... Thome, not so much... Also JD is a much better 2 strike hitter which i just looked up to confirm, I think Pods/Gooch stealing/hit and runs would increase with a better 2 strike hitter behind them

TornLabrum
07-22-2006, 10:16 AM
I'm reading that Paul Konerko isn't getting it done. Wha wha what????
Did you not see the other night against Detroit when he hit two bombs?

They've got 58 wins with this lineup. I don't think that's the problem. When teams are pressing, they look to hit homers a little more to catch a spark. This lineup is versatile. They can score in a bunch of ways. They're just not doing it right now, because everyone is pressing. Relax.

Just a few days ago there were people talking about how Paulie's hitting has improved since his prolonged slump. Nw we get **** like this. Never underestimate the lengths to which dark clouds will go to try to blacken your day.

Craig Grebeck
07-22-2006, 10:19 AM
which is right now .013 higher than JD's even with 19 more walks... my idea of putting Dye in the 3 hole is to get greater speed in front of Konerko to hopefully avoid those DP's like you mentioned in your following post..... JD can steal a bag now and then.... Thome, not so much... Also JD is a much better 2 strike hitter which i just looked up to confirm, I think Pods/Gooch stealing/hit and runs would increase with a better 2 strike hitter behind them
It would be absolutely foolish to steal with an above average runner with Thome up, let alone doing it with JD.

Have some patience people, this team has scored a ridiculous amount of runs without hit-and-runs, stealing, etc. The offense will come around, everyone suffers setbacks. They just need to play the game the way they have all year.

russ99
07-22-2006, 10:24 AM
I'm reading that Paul Konerko isn't getting it done. Wha wha what????
Did you not see the other night against Detroit when he hit two bombs?

They've got 58 wins with this lineup. I don't think that's the problem. When teams are pressing, they look to hit homers a little more to catch a spark. This lineup is versatile. They can score in a bunch of ways. They're just not doing it right now, because everyone is pressing. Relax.

My point exactly.

Before the break, Paulie was hitting the ball great. When the team struggles, it seems he wants to carry the team on his back and swing for the fences, instead of getting on base and going opposite field - doing the little things and staying out of the DP.

This team is way too homer happy right now, especially when behind in the score. Maybe I should have singled out Uribe as the poster boy of "homers only" instead of Paul. My mistake. Crede's approach at the plate the last 2 weeks has been much more consistent than Paul's big swings, hence my suggested switch.

As for Labrum's comments, I'm not a dark cloud - these guys will be fine. I'm just suggesting a lineup change might be a good thing at this point.

Scottiehaswheels
07-22-2006, 10:26 AM
It would be absolutely foolish to steal with an above average runner with Thome up, let alone doing it with JD.

Have some patience people, this team has scored a ridiculous amount of runs without hit-and-runs, stealing, etc. The offense will come around, everyone suffers setbacks. They just need to play the game the way they have all year.Well, I was just responding to Ozzie's complaint about the small ball having gone away... The current lineup doesn't encourage it, that was all I was trying to say... If we want small ball again you don't put a huge masher/strikeout guy in the 3 hole... And I'm not saying have JD steal a bag everytime he gets on.... Just would be nice to have a guy with some speed that could get to second in time to potentially breakup a double play instead of being stuck in no man's land between 1st and second on a grounder by Konerko... Oh yeah and I'm in no way a dark cloud... just suggesting a remedy to the lack of small ball

Craig Grebeck
07-22-2006, 10:32 AM
I wasn't trying to jump on you, I just don't think this team needs small-ball. It needs above-average pitching.

zmz723
07-22-2006, 10:34 AM
does anyone remember the last time pods stole a base?

JohnBasedowYoda
07-22-2006, 10:40 AM
does anyone remember the last time pods stole a base?

When was the last time he was on base?

jongarlandlover
07-22-2006, 10:49 AM
does anyone remember the last time pods stole a base?
just looked it up...

July 9 (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/individual_player_gamebygamelog.jsp?c_id=cws&playerID=325392&statType=1)

Scottiehaswheels
07-22-2006, 10:53 AM
just looked it up...

June 9 (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/individual_player_gamebygamelog.jsp?c_id=cws&playerID=325392&statType=1)Uh... you meant July right?:smile:

viagracat
07-22-2006, 11:00 AM
Good to see some fire coming from Ozzie over this lazy play.

One thing I can't understand, though. Against Left handed starters, we tend to see Pods and AJ on the bench, Thome still in the lineup. Someone brought up on the Score yesterday that Thome needs to learn how to hit lefties, to which Dan B. commented something like "Jim Thome is 35 years old. What you see is what you get with him."

Ok, that's fine. Thome is winding his career down, he's probably not all of a sudden going to become a leftie killer, but why then wouldn't you see either Pods or AJ or both then in there against lefties? Aren't they still young enough to "learn" how to hit major league lefties? Yes, AJ (just like all major league catchers) cannot play 162 games a year; and Ozzie obviously uses the leftie starts to rest AJ. I just can't believe that all it takes is a left handed pitcher to remove 2 of our 9 from the starting lineup. In our division, there are far too many lefties to keep benching AJ, and lead off hitters need to be playing almost every day to keep their timing not only at the plate, but on the base paths.

I just don't get that.

Front

Good points, Front. I said in another post that I'd like to see Pods start every day. If he gets on base the whole scheme of the inning changes. The pitcher gets rattled, Podsednik maybe steals a base and Iguchi, the one guy I normally never worry about, gets him to third with a (shudder) bunt or a ball hit to the right side (or a hit and run if Pods doesn't steal). Even with Thome's power, you still have to pitch to him if first is open because Konerko is so dangerous. When those things happen, crooked numbers result. If this happens in the first inning, lots of pressure is taken off the pitcher. The lead-off hitter is the table-setter.

Yes, Pods is average at best in the field and has some trouble vs lefties, but tell me who is a better lead-off man, or who can create more havoc on the bases, than Pods. If we can tolerate Anderson's batting average for three months until he finally started finding himself in July, we can certainly stomach Podsednik at-bat vs a lefty.

As far as the bunt attempts by Pods goes last night, I was discussing just that with the guys I was with at the game. We concluded that everyone knows that Podsednik's greatest value is on the basepaths and with the team scuffling right now, he thought that was the best way to get on base and thus get the chance to make something happen.

And AJ, like any catcher, needs days off. You don't see too many catching more than 120 games a year. Plus, some pitchers prefer a particular catcher.

DickAllen72
07-22-2006, 11:12 AM
call me insane but... i think part of the getting away from small ball thing has to do with Thome batting third... I say switch Dye and Thome around in the order and the small ball thing could take off again... Dye seems to be a much better 2 strike hitter than Thome is... this would mess up the righty/lefty thing but.... you could move Crede into the 6th spot and move A.J. down a slot... then you have righty/lefty 4-7 instead of 3-6

Excellent point.

DickAllen72
07-22-2006, 11:16 AM
One of the distinct differences I see this year from last year is the fact that when Pods gets on Iguchi is not called onto bunt him over. Is this because Ozzie believes he is taking the bat out of Thome's hands?
I believe so. That's why Scottiehaswheels' point is an excellent one.

Thome is not really a third slot hitter anyway. He's the ultimate cleanup type guy. I would push up Dye to number three, and slide Thome and Paulie down to four and five respectively.

jongarlandlover
07-22-2006, 11:26 AM
Uh... you meant July right?:smile:


Yeah. Whoops! I'll fix that. It was early, I was tired...:tongue:

slobes
07-22-2006, 12:01 PM
call me insane but... i think part of the getting away from small ball thing has to do with Thome batting third... I say switch Dye and Thome around in the order and the small ball thing could take off again... Dye seems to be a much better 2 strike hitter than Thome is... this would mess up the righty/lefty thing but.... you could move Crede into the 6th spot and move A.J. down a slot... then you have righty/lefty 4-7 instead of 3-6

I don't think that'd be a bad idea at all. I think we all got a little spoiled with Thome hitting homers with such frequency in the first couple weeks of the season. I'm not denying that he's a huge asset to our team, but you're right, Dye is a much better 2 strike hitter. Plus, his average is up around .320 now. I'd be totally in support of this decision, if it were to happen.

viagracat
07-22-2006, 12:18 PM
I don't think that'd be a bad idea at all. I think we all got a little spoiled with Thome hitting homers with such frequency in the first couple weeks of the season. I'm not denying that he's a huge asset to our team, but you're right, Dye is a much better 2 strike hitter. Plus, his average is up around .320 now. I'd be totally in support of this decision, if it were to happen.

Dye-Thome-Konerko 3-4-5? Why not? Makes sense to me. No teal.

Dye is more likely to put the ball in play than Thome, as spectacular as Thome can be. With ducks on the pond, getting bat on ball is often all you need to get a run.

Craig Grebeck
07-22-2006, 12:22 PM
Dye-Thome-Konerko 3-4-5? Why not? Makes sense to me. No teal.

Dye is more likely to put the ball in play than Thome, as spectacular as Thome can be. With ducks on the pond, getting bat on ball is often all you need to get a run.
And Thome is more likely to get on base, therefore, he should bat in front of Dye. As spectacular as JD has been this season, he does not draw a lot of walks, which is pretty necessary for the 3 hole, IMO.

Hitmen77
07-22-2006, 12:23 PM
Looks Like Ozzie Is Getting Upset

I'm getting tired of people thinking that Ozzie throwing the team under the bus is going to suddenly propel us into first. Haven't we been saying this for weeks now? At some point, flipping over lunch tables or whatever he does when he's pissed off at the team loses it's effectiveness if he's been supposedly doing it every day for 2 weeks.

I've heard many people say Ozzie should bench people who can't execute. And do what? Replace them with other people who are equally inept at laying down a bunt?

While I'm on this mini rant, another thing I'm tired of hearing is "Coop will work his magic and fix it". While I think he's a great coach, can we all please stop pretending that he's baseball's version of Anne Sullivan. Let's just be realistic and see that Vazquez - while he'll likely give us some good outings - is probably not going to be this years version of the '05 Contreras and so forth.

Paulwny
07-22-2006, 12:25 PM
I'm getting tired of people thinking that Ozzie throwing the team under the bus is going to suddenly propel us into first. Haven't we been saying this for weeks now? At some point, flipping over lunch tables or whatever he does when he's pissed off at the team loses it's effectiveness if he's been supposedly doing it every day for 2 weeks.

I've heard many people say Ozzie should bench people who can't execute. And do what? Replace them with other people who are equally inept at laying down a bunt?

While I'm on this mini rant, another thing I'm tired of hearing is "Coop will work his magic and fix it". While I think he's a great coach, can we all please stop pretending that he's baseball's version of Anne Sullivan. Let's just be realistic and see that Vazquez - while he'll likely give us some good outings - is probably not going to be this years version of the '05 Contreras and so forth.

EXACTLY, you hit the nail on the head.

Lip Man 1
07-22-2006, 12:26 PM
Gang:

Some updated information this morning.

A media friend told me that they counted 11 players who were down on the field taking extra bunting work yesterday afternoon, not 7 as was reported. This person said Uribe was down on the field and they thought Crede was as well.

Also Ozzie apparently did have a team meeting after the game (if you could call it that) last night and that this 'bunting school' is going to go on daily through at least Wednesday. Ozzie has already told those players the times to be on the field for the next five days.

Lip

QCIASOXFAN
07-22-2006, 12:48 PM
does anyone remember the last time pods stole a base?Does anyone remember the last time Pods smiled or didn't look pissed off.

miker
07-22-2006, 01:07 PM
You can barely hit a HR when you swing for the fences Juan.
No kidding. He does hit some impressive pop-ups with runners in scoring position.

Bill Naharodny
07-22-2006, 01:08 PM
I'm getting tired of people thinking that Ozzie throwing the team under the bus is going to suddenly propel us into first. Haven't we been saying this for weeks now? At some point, flipping over lunch tables or whatever he does when he's pissed off at the team loses it's effectiveness if he's been supposedly doing it every day for 2 weeks.

I've heard many people say Ozzie should bench people who can't execute. And do what? Replace them with other people who are equally inept at laying down a bunt?

While I'm on this mini rant, another thing I'm tired of hearing is "Coop will work his magic and fix it". While I think he's a great coach, can we all please stop pretending that he's baseball's version of Anne Sullivan. Let's just be realistic and see that Vazquez - while he'll likely give us some good outings - is probably not going to be this years version of the '05 Contreras and so forth.

Coop will fix it.

Bill Naharodny
07-22-2006, 01:09 PM
Gang:

Some updated information this morning.

A media friend told me that they counted 11 players who were down on the field taking extra bunting work yesterday afternoon, not 7 as was reported. This person said Uribe was down on the field and they thought Crede was as well.

Also Ozzie apparently did have a team meeting after the game (if you could call it that) last night and that this 'bunting school' is going to go on daily through at least Wednesday. Ozzie has already told those players the times to be on the field for the next five days.

Lip

Good. Now if only Ozzie would call for a bunt once in a while, we'd be in good shape.

Lip Man 1
07-22-2006, 01:12 PM
Hitmen:

I think the point is that to the best of my knowledge neither Ozzie nor Kenny has gone off at all yet.

These guys are playing badly... period. A kick in the ass is sometimes needed for any and all of us.

Will it 'propel' the team into first place?..well we'll never know if it doesn't happen right?

Lip

slobes
07-22-2006, 01:16 PM
While extra bunting practice is never a bad thing, I too am waiting for a huge rant from Ozzie. It'll help.

jongarlandlover
07-22-2006, 02:37 PM
Does anyone remember the last time Pods smiled or didn't look pissed off.

Well, er, no.

Hitmen77
07-22-2006, 03:17 PM
Hitmen:

I think the point is that to the best of my knowledge neither Ozzie nor Kenny has gone off at all yet.

These guys are playing badly... period. A kick in the ass is sometimes needed for any and all of us.

Will it 'propel' the team into first place?..well we'll never know if it doesn't happen right?

Lip

I agree that a kick in the ass is what is needed. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet since the play has been sloppy for about a month now.

If it hasn't happened yet, then why not? If Ozzie has already gone off on the team numerous times, it obviously isn't working and I won't expect more butt-kicking to make a difference.

100 Year Itch
07-22-2006, 03:28 PM
But here's a bigger question: why doesn't Ozzie call for the bunt in key situations, like yesterday with Widger and today with Uribe?

My guess is because he has absolutely no confidence in their ability to execute it successfully.

oscars gamble
07-22-2006, 06:03 PM
I'm getting tired of people thinking that Ozzie throwing the team under the bus is going to suddenly propel us into first. Haven't we been saying this for weeks now? At some point, flipping over lunch tables or whatever he does when he's pissed off at the team loses it's effectiveness if he's been supposedly doing it every day for 2 weeks.

I've heard many people say Ozzie should bench people who can't execute. And do what? Replace them with other people who are equally inept at laying down a bunt?

While I'm on this mini rant, another thing I'm tired of hearing is "Coop will work his magic and fix it". While I think he's a great coach, can we all please stop pretending that he's baseball's version of Anne Sullivan. Let's just be realistic and see that Vazquez - while he'll likely give us some good outings - is probably not going to be this years version of the '05 Contreras and so forth.

Everytime I hear "Coop will fix it" I picture Mr. Miyagi in the Karate Kid rubbing his hands together to fix Daniel's Knee.

Maybe Coop can do that tonight for Freddy.

nasox
07-22-2006, 06:15 PM
Well, er, no.

He did just get married. Maybe he's having a hard time with the transition.

russ99
07-22-2006, 06:35 PM
He did just get married. Maybe he's having a hard time with the transition.

Pods has taken a lot of heat this year. I was encouraged by him hauling to get into second on that play last night. Too bad he got hit hard and may need to miss some games. I still think his best baseball is ahead this season.

Let's not bring his personal life into this.

jongarlandlover
07-22-2006, 07:49 PM
He did just get married. Maybe he's having a hard time with the transition.

Haha. He got married in, what, early February?

CLR01
07-22-2006, 11:51 PM
It might be time to start handing out fines to people who are practicing their home run swing during BP Ozzie.

Lip Man 1
07-23-2006, 12:20 AM
100:

Interesting you said that. There may in fact be some truth in it.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-060722soxbits,1,6689582.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

Lip

SouthSide_HitMen
07-23-2006, 12:50 AM
One of the distinct differences I see this year from last year is the fact that when Pods gets on Iguchi is not called onto bunt him over. Is this because Ozzie believes he is taking the bat out of Thome's hands?

I really don't like taking the bat out of Iguchi's hands either (unless it is in the 8th / 9th or extras with a run to tie / win it).

It is the bottom of the order (and bench players) who need to move the runners over - Uribe, Anderson, Widger, Mackowiak, Cintron as well as Podsednik and Ozuna who also need to be able to bunt to reach safely.

salty99
07-23-2006, 09:37 AM
Why is Ozzie suddenly getting mad? This hasn't been able to bunt for a long long time.

TornLabrum
07-23-2006, 09:42 AM
I loved the tape of Ozzie showing his guys how to bunt.

Paulwny
07-23-2006, 09:49 AM
What is it that they teach in the minors ? Every team has players who can't bunt, have no idea what a cut off man is for and don't know the 1st or 3rd out rule at 3rd base.