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DoItForDanPasqua
07-21-2006, 06:24 PM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-050915soxgamer,1,4787896.story?coll=cs-whitesox-navig (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-050915soxgamer,1,4787896.story?coll=cs-whitesox-navigation)

You can't get too down when a team goes through a bad streak, like the Sox are now. You are never as bad as you seem when you are on a losing streak or as good as you seem when you are winning. People tend to look at two or three weeks as a microcosm of the whole season; this is wrong. I don't remember feeling worse, in my entire life, than when the Sox lost two of three from KC during the stretch last season. I thought, for certain, Cleveland was going to catch up or the Sox would get swept in the Division Series. Little did any of us know (and you are a liar if you say you thought this at the time) that one month and eleven days later they would win it all.

MarySwiss
07-21-2006, 06:27 PM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-050915soxgamer,1,4787896.story?coll=cs-whitesox-navig (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-050915soxgamer,1,4787896.story?coll=cs-whitesox-navigation)

You can't get too down when a team goes through a bad streak, like the Sox are now. You are never as bad as you seem when you are on a losing streak or as good as you seem when you are winning. People tend to look at two or three weeks as a microcosm of the whole season; this is wrong. I don't remember feeling worse, in my entire life, than when the Sox lost two of three from KC during the stretch last season. I thought, for certain, Cleveland was going to catch up or the Sox would get swept in the Division Series. Little did any of us know (and you are a liar if you say you thought this at the time) that one month and eleven days later they would win it all.

Perfect linky! Puts things in perspective very nicely.

QCIASOXFAN
07-21-2006, 06:30 PM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-050915soxgamer,1,4787896.story?coll=cs-whitesox-navig (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-050915soxgamer,1,4787896.story?coll=cs-whitesox-navigation)

You can't get too down when a team goes through a bad streak, like the Sox are now. You are never as bad as you seem when you are on a losing streak or as good as you seem when you are winning. People tend to look at two or three weeks as a microcosm of the whole season; this is wrong. I don't remember feeling worse, in my entire life, than when the Sox lost two of three from KC during the stretch last season. I thought, for certain, Cleveland was going to catch up or the Sox would get swept in the Division Series. Little did any of us know (and you are a liar if you say you thought this at the time) that one month and eleven days later they would win it all. I remember reading that article at that time.:(:

ChiSox80
07-21-2006, 07:27 PM
I was pretty sure that they were going to win it all, and I'm not a liar.

Not all of us are Chicken Littles.

SluggersAway
07-21-2006, 08:04 PM
Ummm, we are 5 1/2 games back near the end of July, not trying to protect a 4 1/2 game lead with 17 games to go in September.

I fail to see the "perspective" you are trying to provide.

SOXSINCE'70
07-21-2006, 08:32 PM
This is a time for concern.But there's no need to jump off
the ledge or abandon the ship.One good win streak
(coupled with some losses by the Twinks and Kitties)
and things will begin to rectify themselves.

slobes
07-21-2006, 09:02 PM
We saw last year how quickly leads can dwindle. No need to worry yet. However, if there are some possible roster changes that we can do to give us a better shot, I'm all for it.

oeo
07-21-2006, 09:07 PM
This is a time for concern.But there's no need to jump off
the ledge or abandon the ship.One good win streak
(coupled with some losses by the Twinks and Kitties)
and things will begin to rectify themselves.
No...it really isn't. If it was September, then it would be time for concern...right now, it's July 21st, and we're still in striking distance of the Tigers. All it takes is a 5-game losing streak for the Tigers, and a 5-game winning streak for the Sox and we're right back on their heels. I don't care how great some of you, or Tigers fans, want to tell me the Tigers are...no team goes throughout a season without at least one bad stretch. And by bad stretch, I don't just mean their offense not scoring runs for a week, I mean, their pitching will have it's tough stretches as well.

Saddlebags05
07-21-2006, 09:48 PM
This team is lifeless right now. They are going through the motions, and this is the worst possible time for this to happen. You can't keep saying wait for the kitties to have their bad stretch, wait for the baggies to have their bad stretch, because as of now kids, it ain't happening. This is really starting to resemble JerryBall more and more. I thought we got the Jerry Manual experience out of our system. This is the '03 White Sox. They can't bunt, they play station to station baseball, and they sit around twitling their thumbs waiting for the three run homer. And another thing, who's paying Mark Beurhle? Is this guy pitching this bad on purpose so the Sox don't pick up his option, and he can become a Cardinal 1 year sooner? I say blow it up!
:angry:

Playah
07-21-2006, 10:00 PM
This thread sucks. We're 5.5 back (about to become 6.5) rather than 4.5 ahead. So if we were worried THEN, are you suggesting that we should be shooting ourselves now? Idiot.

ChicagoHoosier
07-21-2006, 10:28 PM
I think what this shows is optimism. We turned it around during adversity last year, no matter what the lead. We've shown we can battle through adversity.

I liked the link. Everyone was panicking then. We still are a very good team who is HOPEFULLY hitting their low point and will turn it around! This thread does NOT suck. Let's keep everything in perspective - we're still making the playoffs if everyone stays even from here on out.

Saddlebags05
07-21-2006, 11:00 PM
I'm done with this team. No but seriously,I thought this was supposed to be a new era of white sox baseball, but no, they can't pitch, they can't score any runs that aren't via the home run, and they look like THEY are the ones overwhelmed by the success of the kitties.:whiner:

zmz723
07-21-2006, 11:06 PM
I'm done with this team. No but seriously,I thought this was supposed to be a new era of white sox baseball, but no, they can't pitch, they can't score any runs that aren't via the home run, and they look like THEY are the ones overwhelmed by the success of the kitties.:whiner:

:tealtutor:

zmz723
07-21-2006, 11:07 PM
gee, i sure wish we were 4.5 games up right now

billyvsox
07-21-2006, 11:09 PM
This is the exact same team as 2004, 2003, 2002, etc...Nothing but Home Runs and 8-7 games. Whatever happened to little ball, or smart ball, or Ozzie ball. I haven't seen a hit and run try in months, nobody even tries to steal bases. No one trys to draw walks. It's pathetic.

I Loved last years team, intesity, determination. There is really nothing special about this years team, nothing to like (at least from my perspective).

Don't discount the losses of Carl Everett (crazy man), El Duke (always kept the pitchers loose and focused), Aaron Rowand, even Willie Harris was life on the bench. I sure wish these guys were around now, because at least I could like this team.

Justagirl
07-21-2006, 11:09 PM
gee, i sure wish we were 4.5 games up right now

or 6.5

MarySwiss
07-21-2006, 11:10 PM
I'm done with this team. No but seriously,I thought this was supposed to be a new era of white sox baseball, but no, they can't pitch, they can't score any runs that aren't via the home run, and they look like THEY are the ones overwhelmed by the success of the kitties.:whiner:

Lemme see, now; you joined in December 2005, you've posted six times since, and now you're done with this team.

And we should care about this why? :?:

billyvsox
07-21-2006, 11:13 PM
Lemme see, now; you joined in December 2005, you've posted six times since, and now you're done with this team.

And we should care about this why? :?:

Sorry Maryswiss...but I agree totally with him.
Last year is over, I don't think Jan & Skip's World Series Game 1 is happening this season

Justagirl
07-21-2006, 11:16 PM
So now that the bandwagon is running low on gas you guys want to jump off? Not trying to be mean, just curious.

Jurr
07-21-2006, 11:22 PM
Justagirl...we would absolutely LOVE to be rid of people like this. They should go watch the World Series video to commemorate their first year as a Sox fan.

billyvsox
07-21-2006, 11:24 PM
So now that the bandwagon is running low on gas you guys want to jump off? Not trying to be mean, just curious.


I am a lifelong Sox fan, not a bandwagon jumper, I am just saying there is nothing special about this years team...the magic is gone.

For example:

History shows that great teams kick it up in July around the all-star breakn not go 2-8 against key teams. Last years we opened by spanking the Tribe 4 straight in Cleveland.

Great teams do not let a series get away from them by letting a mental midget blow up (see Vasquez vs Detroit). Even Buck Showalter has enough sense to get that bum Wasdin out tonight before the Soz could rally.

Great managers dont leave a lefty in to pitch to a righty with 2 on in the 8th (especially when he is 2-2 with 2 homers against him (see Cotts vs Mench). Oops make that 3-3 with 3 hrs.

I could go on..........................

FarWestChicago
07-21-2006, 11:27 PM
I am a lifelong Sox fan, not a bandwagon jumperIf that were true, all you would care about is last year and the triumph. Try again one year wonder. :rolleyes:

MarySwiss
07-21-2006, 11:31 PM
Sorry Maryswiss...but I agree totally with him.
Goody for you.
Last year is over, I don't think Jan & Skip's World Series Game 1 is happening this season
Guess we'll wait and see, won't we?

.

Justagirl
07-21-2006, 11:32 PM
If that were true, all you would care about is last year and the triumph. Try again one year wonder. :rolleyes:
Right. Its one thing to be completely devastated ( I know the feeling)..but to *wonder why you even like the team* speaks volumes. It gives the impression that you base your fandom on performance alone.

Oblong
07-21-2006, 11:40 PM
No...it really isn't. If it was September, then it would be time for concern...right now, it's July 21st, and we're still in striking distance of the Tigers. All it takes is a 5-game losing streak for the Tigers, and a 5-game winning streak for the Sox and we're right back on their heels. I don't care how great some of you, or Tigers fans, want to tell me the Tigers are...no team goes throughout a season without at least one bad stretch. And by bad stretch, I don't just mean their offense not scoring runs for a week, I mean, their pitching will have it's tough stretches as well.

You really aren't going to get a lot of Tiger fans who've been following the team for years to disagree with your point. I would be shocked if the teams, both the Sox and Tigers, kept up the pace of the past week or so. It's just not going to happen.

Following a team in a 162 game schedule on a day to day basis is like following your stocks on a day to day basis. There will be ups and downs. You have to take a macro view of it.

Chicago's been on a losing streak. Minnesota's been on a winning streak. that's going to change. Why? Because it's baseball. Things even out over time.

TDog
07-22-2006, 03:40 AM
I am a lifelong Sox fan, not a bandwagon jumper, I am just saying there is nothing special about this years team...the magic is gone.

For example:

History shows that great teams kick it up in July around the all-star breakn not go 2-8 against key teams. Last years we opened by spanking the Tribe 4 straight in Cleveland.

Great teams do not let a series get away from them by letting a mental midget blow up (see Vasquez vs Detroit). Even Buck Showalter has enough sense to get that bum Wasdin out tonight before the Soz could rally.

Great managers dont leave a lefty in to pitch to a righty with 2 on in the 8th (especially when he is 2-2 with 2 homers against him (see Cotts vs Mench). Oops make that 3-3 with 3 hrs.

I could go on..........................

There is no pattern for great teams, least of all what you described. The 1977 White Sox kicked it into gear in July and pulled out to a 6.5-game lead on July 30. August killed them, and they finished 13 games back. The 1983 White Sox kicked it into gear in July and had a 6 game lead after play on July 31. August was great. September was better, leading to a 20-game divisional lead before winning just one game in October. The 1969 Cubs kicked it into gear and pulled out to 8.5 in early August (and had a Kenny Holtzman no-hitter against the West-leading Braves on Aug. 19 at time when it looked like no team could catch them.) Not the Cardinals, but the Mets came up, and the Cubs finished 8 games back.

The 2005 White Sox kicked it into gear at the end of September at a time when there was a serious chance they could miss the postseason. Wild card teams won the three previous World Series doing just that, ending as teams that were hot enough to finish second.

I was a White Sox fan decades before they won the World Series. I'll be a White Sox fan if they don't win it this year -- even if they don't make the postseason this year. It's not like I've never been there before.

Before the 2005 season (and before that) Sox fans were saying "just once in my lifetime." I knew last October once wouldn't be enough. Obviously I want to see the Sox win. I'm disappointed when they lose. But I'll live and cheer for the Sox in 2007.

pudge
07-22-2006, 01:14 PM
Last year it still felt like the Sox were the better team despite the skid because the pitching never faulted. I was plenty freaked during the skid, but more in a pissed-off way. This year feels quite different. The pitchers simply have to get back on track or we're toast.

credefan24
07-22-2006, 01:34 PM
THe pitching will come back. August will be our saving grace, as another poster has said.

If you are gonna give up on this team now, good riddance. We don't want ya!

CMon you Sox. You're better than this!!!

viagracat
07-22-2006, 01:35 PM
You really aren't going to get a lot of Tiger fans who've been following the team for years to disagree with your point. I would be shocked if the teams, both the Sox and Tigers, kept up the pace of the past week or so. It's just not going to happen.

Following a team in a 162 game schedule on a day to day basis is like following your stocks on a day to day basis. There will be ups and downs. You have to take a macro view of it.

Chicago's been on a losing streak. Minnesota's been on a winning streak. that's going to change. Why? Because it's baseball. Things even out over time.

Wow, one of the best posts in this thread came from an avowed Tiger fan..:?:

Chips
07-22-2006, 01:52 PM
This team is lifeless right now. They are going through the motions, and this is the worst possible time for this to happen. You can't keep saying wait for the kitties to have their bad stretch, wait for the baggies to have their bad stretch, because as of now kids, it ain't happening. This is really starting to resemble JerryBall more and more. I thought we got the Jerry Manual experience out of our system. This is the '03 White Sox. They can't bunt, they play station to station baseball, and they sit around twitling their thumbs waiting for the three run homer. And another thing, who's paying Mark Beurhle? Is this guy pitching this bad on purpose so the Sox don't pick up his option, and he can become a Cardinal 1 year sooner? I say blow it up!
:angry:

:rolleyes: What is with the anti-cub logo?

Ignored!

Chips
07-22-2006, 01:54 PM
I could go on..........................

my ignore list. :cool:

I guess being 21 games over .500 isn't special.:rolleyes:

JohnBasedowYoda
07-22-2006, 01:57 PM
my ignore list. :cool:

I guess being 21 games over .500 isn't special.:rolleyes:

My advice is to stay in the Parking Lot until we get hot. That way everything remains Kosher. There's some good threads in there these days. Drinking Team, movie and food reviews, What song is playing?...good stuff.

miker
07-22-2006, 02:03 PM
I guess being 21 games over .500 isn't special.:rolleyes:
It isn't if you're outside the party looking in. Thankfully, we aren't at that point...yet.

I'm still pulling for this team, but I am worried. However, I haven't put on a dress, grabbed a doll and headed for the lifeboats either.

thomas35forever
07-22-2006, 02:59 PM
This is the exact same team as 2004, 2003, 2002, etc...Nothing but Home Runs and 8-7 games. Whatever happened to little ball, or smart ball, or Ozzie ball. I haven't seen a hit and run try in months, nobody even tries to steal bases. No one trys to draw walks. It's pathetic.

I Loved last years team, intesity, determination. There is really nothing special about this years team, nothing to like (at least from my perspective).

Don't discount the losses of Carl Everett (crazy man), El Duke (always kept the pitchers loose and focused), Aaron Rowand, even Willie Harris was life on the bench. I sure wish these guys were around now, because at least I could like this team.
Maybe we should blame it on Thome, Konerko, Dye, and Crede for hitting so many home runs. It might be spoiling our guys a bit and they think they don't have to play to their fullest. Small ball was a lot more fun. We need to get back to that sonner than later or we're gonna be in trouble.

markopat
07-22-2006, 03:03 PM
Here's some PERSPECTIVE...

We could all be North Side Fans right now...

YIKES! :o:

jdm2662
07-22-2006, 03:48 PM
my ignore list. :cool:

You are on fire this week.

I guess being 21 games over .500 isn't special.:rolleyes:

Nah, not really. Now 162-0, that is special, my friend. :D:

Lip Man 1
07-22-2006, 10:59 PM
Chips:

Well it is and it isn't. In the National League it's great...but in the American League? with six teams fighting for only three spots?

Lip

southside rocks
07-22-2006, 11:35 PM
However, I haven't put on a dress, grabbed a doll and headed for the lifeboats either.

Okay, that made me laugh out loud. Thanks, I needed that!

cheezheadsoxfan
07-22-2006, 11:47 PM
Here's some PERSPECTIVE...

We could all be North Side Fans right now...

YIKES! :o:

Good point. Love your plate my the way. Gonna see if I can get that from the State of Wisconsin. All the good Packer plates are taken.