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AuroraSoxFan
07-19-2006, 02:23 PM
Ok, I'm not a pitching shark or anything. Just wondering what this guy has in his arsenal that is so untouchable? Does anyone have any idea on what kinda "stuff" this guy has that is so dominant? And does anyone think he can keep it up for a prolonged period?

FedEx227
07-19-2006, 02:25 PM
He throws a 95-97 fastball, a 85-90 sliders, and a 80-83 changeup.

Lots of different speeds is what really makes him deceptive. Very Santana-esque.

Irishsox1
07-19-2006, 02:35 PM
If we don't make the playoffs this year, something tells me it will be because of the Twins beating us with Santana and Liriano in the second half of the season.

AuroraSoxFan
07-19-2006, 03:05 PM
So basically you never know what to expect as a hitter and he can throw you completely off guard in 3-4 different ways???

I knew that guy would be good......but I sure didn't expect him to be lights out the way he has been.

Iwritecode
07-19-2006, 03:07 PM
So basically you never know what to expect as a hitter and he can throw you completely off guard in 3-4 different ways???

I knew that guy would be good......but I sure didn't expect him to be lights out the way he has been.

How do you think the Giants feel for letting him go?

oeo
07-19-2006, 03:11 PM
If we don't make the playoffs this year, something tells me it will be because of the Twins beating us with Santana and Liriano in the second half of the season.

Santana and Liriano cannot carry a team to the playoffs. They're good pitchers, but they're TWO good pitchers...the rest of that rotation has to show up as well. And with Hunter and Stewart now out, I doubt they will be close to a playoff spot.

Chisox003
07-19-2006, 03:19 PM
Santana and Liriano cannot carry a team to the playoffs. They're good pitchers, but they're TWO good pitchers...the rest of that rotation has to show up as well. And with Hunter and Stewart now out, I doubt they will be close to a playoff spot.
Radke's been lights out the since the end of May....

Make it 2 great pitchers and 1 really good one.

But I agree, I don't think they have the bats to get it done.

cbotnyse
07-19-2006, 03:24 PM
wow, another Liriano thread...i really have to check this guy out.

chaerulez
07-19-2006, 03:56 PM
If they got into the playoffs it'd be scary. Assuming the Twins went on short rest, they could use Santana and Liriano twice in any series.

Lip Man 1
07-19-2006, 04:00 PM
Liriano has the ability to hit his spots with that selection of pitches that he has. Barring injury he has a great future ahead of him.

Lip

bluestar
07-19-2006, 04:04 PM
Santana and Liriano cannot carry a team to the playoffs. They're good pitchers, but they're TWO good pitchers...the rest of that rotation has to show up as well. And with Hunter and Stewart now out, I doubt they will be close to a playoff spot.

I don't think Irishsox1 was saying the Twins were going to make the playoffs, but that if the Sox have to face Santana and Liriano very many times, the Twins MIGHT keep the Sox from making it. I don't think this is true, because even IF the Sox have to face Santana and Liriano every time they face the Twins the rest of the season, AND they lost all of those games, that would only be eight losses. Also, if one assumes the rotations for both the Sox and the Twins remains the same the rest of the season, the Sox will have to face that duo in only ONE of the remaining series with the Twins (8/25 Liriano, 8/26 Radke, and 8/27 Santana).

Twins Win
07-20-2006, 01:28 AM
I've followed Liriano pretty close for the past 2 years. He's a great pitcher. I've read that hitters have a very hard time telling which pitch he is throwing. He's slider is 90 mph which is very fast for a slider. He will also throw any of the 3 pitches for a strike no matter what the count is. I don't think he'd be the pitcher he is today if he was still in the Giants orginization. Pitching coach Bobby Cuellar, who is now with the Pirates, is a huge reason for Liriano being as good as he is.

StockdaleForVeep
07-20-2006, 03:02 AM
Same with felix hernandez, an unknown pitcher with a blistering fastball and great control, nobody has seen him before, so great stuff and unknown.

FedEx227
07-20-2006, 10:09 AM
Same with felix hernandez, an unknown pitcher with a blistering fastball and great control, nobody has seen him before, so great stuff and unknown.

Unfortunately for King Felix, he came into this year with a lot of hype, too much really, and has sorta receeded. But for a 20-year old he has an extremely bright future.

Lip Man 1
07-20-2006, 12:58 PM
Bluestar:

Just FYI already once this year the Twins changed the rotation so that Santana faced the Sox. They skipped him with the Tigers to open the Friday night series in Minnesota in May.

Gardenhire doesn't particularly care for Chicago you understand. :smile:

Lip

chaerulez
07-20-2006, 01:01 PM
Same with felix hernandez, an unknown pitcher with a blistering fastball and great control, nobody has seen him before, so great stuff and unknown.

Unknown? Felix Hernandez had HUGE hype coming into this season. Hell, I picked him in like the fifth or sixth round of my fantasy draft, because all the experts were predicting him as having a Gooden like year at his age. He hasn't lived up to the hype, but he's only 20, so I think he'll be fine.

viagracat
07-20-2006, 01:16 PM
Any pitcher who has control over three or four different pitches is going to be very hard to beat. A big part of hitting is anticipating the next pitch and location. A guy who has enough confidence to take that away from a hitter and also able to control the count is a man in a sea of boys. Or something like that.

soxinem1
07-20-2006, 01:27 PM
Radke's been lights out the since the end of May....

Make it 2 great pitchers and 1 really good one.

But I agree, I don't think they have the bats to get it done.

That does not mean they cannot be one hell of a spoiler. I'll bet we face them both the rest of the season in each series we play.

Gavin
07-21-2006, 12:01 PM
liriano's numbers are still good, but not as good as they were before the break. factor in the fact that his last two starts have come against against tampa and cleveland and I would wait to see how he does yet. he doesn't really even have a start against an outstanding team yet (see: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7504/splits;_ylt=AiMkhrRskk75DQM7zOlx3rGFCLcF).

here's to hoping the sox have him figured out soon.