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Frater Perdurabo
07-18-2006, 02:00 PM
In the past I have been among WSI's most vocal Paul Konerko critics. But I am willing to admit when I am wrong. While Paulie still has a knack for the inopportune GIDP (often a function of his ability to hit the ball hard, his slow speed and the slow speed of recent Sox #3 hitters), he's on pace for career highs in virtually every statistical category. In the past I have said I expect Paulie to put up a consistent .900+ OPS, a .300+ average, and clobber at least 40 homers. Well, he's duplicating his now customary power numbers while hitting for a higher average and OPS than he ever has before (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3747). He's even hitting better on the road this year than at home! And he's getting the job done at first base. He's been overshadowed this year by Thome and Dye, and there's no doubt that by batting between those two he gets better pitches to hit, but he still has to hit the ball and is doing so with authority. There is no doubt he's justifying the contract KW and JR gave him.

Let's hear it for Paul Konerko! :gulp:

hi im skot
07-18-2006, 02:04 PM
http://www.chicagosportsreviewimages.com/C494504848/E20060312192740/Media/Paul%20Konerko10496.jpg
"And don't forget...we still own THIS!"

buehrle4cy05
07-18-2006, 03:13 PM
I think Paulie has proved that 2003 was a fluke. Glad he signed the big deal to stay here.

soxfanatlanta
07-18-2006, 03:20 PM
Didn't we get him from the Dodger organization?

Nice grab :wink:

Although I am not suprised by his performance this year, with Dye and Thome having a monster season, I am very happy with his defense, too. He is not going to win a gold glove, but he does not give the other team too many extra at bats either.

Positive indeed.

buehrle4cy05
07-18-2006, 03:22 PM
Didn't we get him from the Dodger organization?


Cincinnati.:wink:

bigsqwert
07-18-2006, 03:23 PM
Didn't we get him from the Dodger organization?

We traded Mike Cameron to the Reds for Konerko. I don't recall if other players were involved. Paulie did come up with the Dodgers before that...as a catcher.

Jjav829
07-18-2006, 03:25 PM
:walnuts
"A year ago some of you guys wanted to trade me and move Dye to 1B. :o::o:"

Deuce
07-18-2006, 03:29 PM
I think Paulie has proved that 2003 was a fluke.What about 2004 and the first two months of 2005? Let's face it, Paulie suffered a long slump. It could hardly be called a "fluke."

Nevertheless, Paulie's game picked up big time when it most counted. And in the end, that is all that matters.

stacksedwards
07-18-2006, 03:33 PM
Paulie is the White Sox organiztion along with Ozzie.

Will always be Big Frank but out of those currently working for the team its Paulie and Oz. (Don't forget Bossar though)

buehrle4cy05
07-18-2006, 03:36 PM
What about 2004 and the first two months of 2005? Let's face it, Paulie suffered a long slump. It could hardly be called a "fluke."

What I gathered from this post was that you thought 2004 was a bad year for Paulie. Is a .277 BA, 41HR and 117 RBI a bad year? Or maybe I missed something in your post. If I did, then I'll just shut up.:redface:

Deuce
07-18-2006, 03:39 PM
:walnuts
"A year ago some of you guys wanted to trade me and move Dye to 1B. :o::o:"
:reinsy

"In November, you wanted to play 1st base for the LAAAOCC."

havelj
07-18-2006, 03:43 PM
We traded Mike Cameron to the Reds for Konerko. I don't recall if other players were involved. Paulie did come up with the Dodgers before that...as a catcher.


Transactions

June 2, 1994: Drafted by the Los Angeles Dodgers (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/1994.shtml) in the 1st round (13th pick) of the 1994 amateur draft.
July 4, 1998: Traded by the Los Angeles Dodgers (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/1998.shtml) with Dennys Reyes (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/reyesde01.shtml) to the Cincinnati Reds (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/1998.shtml) for Jeff Shaw (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/shawje01.shtml).
November 11, 1998: Traded by the Cincinnati Reds (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/1998.shtml) to the Chicago White Sox (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/1998.shtml) for Mike Cameron (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/camermi01.shtml).

*Note that Cameron was:
1. Drafted by the Sox in the 18th round of the 1991 amateur draft then later in early 2000, traded by the Cincinnati Reds (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/2000.shtml) with Jake Meyer (minors), Antonio Perez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/perezan01.shtml), and Brett Tomko (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/tomkobr01.shtml) to the Seattle Mariners (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2000.shtml) for Ken Griffey (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/griffke02.shtml).

Deuce
07-18-2006, 03:54 PM
What I gathered from this post was that you thought 2004 was a bad year for Paulie. Is a .277 BA, 41HR and 117 RBI a bad year? Or maybe I missed something in your post. If I did, then I'll just shut up.:redface:Paulie took to swinging to the fences (as most of the Sox players did in 2004) far too often. And though that resulted in a lot of home runs, it also resulted in a lot of double plays and strikeouts. I'm looking around to find a break down of 2004 for a more clear example of lack of consistency, which IMHO is the sign of a bona fide slump.

And just to clarify, I am not saying that Paulie is not a quality ballplayer. He is.

veeter
07-18-2006, 04:56 PM
Paul Konerko is a pro's pro.

Ol' No. 2
07-18-2006, 05:07 PM
What about 2004 and the first two months of 2005? Let's face it, Paulie suffered a long slump. It could hardly be called a "fluke."

Nevertheless, Paulie's game picked up big time when it most counted. And in the end, that is all that matters.If you look around you'll find that power hitters are especially prone to slumps. It's just the nature of the beast. But none of them compared to what he went through in 2003.

I credit Greg Walker for a lot of the improved consistency, and I'm pretty sure Paulie would be the first one to agree.

hi im skot
07-18-2006, 05:08 PM
Paul Konerko would win a gold glove if he played in New York.




:duck:

JB98
07-18-2006, 05:12 PM
In the past I have been among WSI's most vocal Paul Konerko critics. But I am willing to admit when I am wrong. While Paulie still has a knack for the inopportune GIDP (often a function of his ability to hit the ball hard, his slow speed and the slow speed of recent Sox #3 hitters), he's on pace for career highs in virtually every statistical category. In the past I have said I expect Paulie to put up a consistent .900+ OPS, a .300+ average, and clobber at least 40 homers. Well, he's duplicating his now customary power numbers while hitting for a higher average and OPS than he ever has before (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3747). He's even hitting better on the road this year than at home! And he's getting the job done at first base. He's been overshadowed this year by Thome and Dye, and there's no doubt that by batting between those two he gets better pitches to hit, but he still has to hit the ball and is doing so with authority. There is no doubt he's justifying the contract KW and JR gave him.

Let's hear it for Paul Konerko! :gulp:

As someone who has been a tireless PK defender through the years, this thread rules! :)

PS: I told you so, Frater!

shes
07-18-2006, 05:23 PM
While it'd be nice if Paulie could get that OBP closer to .400, I'm still perfectly happy with his 06 season. He's been great at first and has come through with runners on this year. No one will ever confuse Paulie's clutch hitting with that of David Ortiz, but I think he's proven he wasn't just a contract-year guy, as some of us feared.

Edit: Paulie is also 7-13 at Comerica this year. I think I know who my PTC is going to be.

cbotnyse
07-18-2006, 08:56 PM
Pauly must have read this thread today! :bandance: :supernana: :bandance:

Jurr
07-18-2006, 09:42 PM
:hawk " I looove fulfilled prophecies!"

MISoxfan
07-18-2006, 10:21 PM
Paulie took to swinging to the fences (as most of the Sox players did in 2004) far too often. And though that resulted in a lot of home runs, it also resulted in a lot of double plays and strikeouts. I'm looking around to find a break down of 2004 for a more clear example of lack of consistency, which IMHO is the sign of a bona fide slump.

And just to clarify, I am not saying that Paulie is not a quality ballplayer. He is.

No Paul was not in a bona fide slump in 2004. He also cut way down on his GIDP's in 2004, you're really stretching with this one.

I'm wrong he still did lead the team in GIDP in 2004, it was in 2005 when he cut it all the way down to 9.

Norberto7
07-18-2006, 10:26 PM
I think Paulie's hairline has also undergone a renaissance.

SOXSINCE'70
07-18-2006, 10:30 PM
I think Paulie has proved that 2003 was a fluke.

IIRC,Konerko played most (or all) of the 2003 season
with a foot injury.How he was able to walk on it,
let alone hit and field a baseball,still amazes me.

Ol' No. 2
07-18-2006, 11:33 PM
IIRC,Konerko played most (or all) of the 2003 season
with a foot injury.How he was able to walk on it,
let alone hit and field a baseball,still amazes me.I'm pretty sure that was 2002. He had a hairline fracture the last two months of the season.

AnkleSox
07-19-2006, 12:51 AM
I said this during the game thread, but I really think Paulie's success in the postseason changed his approach at the plate. During the playoffs I think i remembering noticing him hitting more to the opposite field and adjusting to the pitchers. I said that if the postseason carried over to this season, he'd be a .300 hitter. So far it seems like this is the case.

hawkjt
07-19-2006, 03:03 AM
Frater , who will you be having happy thoughts about on Wed.? Maybe extoll the virtues of a Jermaine, or Joe? Who will you choose to be tomorrows hero?

Of course a Jim Thome might just be glad to see a right-hander.

TheOldRoman
07-19-2006, 03:29 AM
We really do need to give props to Konerko for his turnaround. Over the last couple of years he has become a much much better hitter. Of course, he i doing so good this year because a)he is not being asked to bat 3rd, and b)he is batting behing the monster Thome and ahead of Dye. Either way, he has transfomed into a much better hitter. He might not be an elite star like A-Rod or Pujols, but he is only a step below them.

I should admit that before last season, I was hoping we would trade Konerko instead of Lee. Boy, am I glad that didn't happen.:redface:

bigfoot
07-19-2006, 05:41 AM
Paul Konerko would win a gold glove if he played in New York.




:duck:

And a multi-MVP!!!:wink:

Thome25
07-19-2006, 07:25 AM
I think Paulie is a great player. He is also one of the more underrated players in the game today.

My question is where do you think Paulie will rank among White Sox all time greats when it is all said and done? I hope that he will rank up there among the greatest players i.e. Frank, Baines, Robin, Melton, Dick Allen, etc.

Frater Perdurabo
07-19-2006, 09:28 AM
I think Paulie is a great player. He is also one of the more underrated players in the game today.

My question is where do you think Paulie will rank among White Sox all time greats when it is all said and done? I hope that he will rank up there among the greatest players i.e. Frank, Baines, Robin, Melton, Dick Allen, etc.

Yep, this sure was a timely thread! :tongue:

I won't promise to create a "think positive" thread every day, but Paulie definitely deserved one.

No disrespect to Paulie, but Frank and Dick are in classes by themselves. Frank missed more than two full seasons of games due to strike and injury. If he had been able to play, he'd be chasing 600 career homers right now (and in a Sox uniform, too).

But if Paulie clubs 40 homers this year, he'll have 250 for his career, at age 30. Assuming good health and avoiding prolonged slumps, Paulie only has to average 37.5 homers over the remaining four years of his contract (2007-2010) to reach 400 homers by age 35. That's doable at the Cell. If he's still healthy and productive at that point, three more seasons (2011-2013) of 33.3 homers would have him at 500 at age 38. That's a lot of assumptions, but it's certainly possible. Therefore, it's also possible he could end up as the White Sox career HR leader. If so, he would merit a concourse statue, a retired number, and HOF consideration. NOTE: I'm not neccessarily predicting this; I'm just saying it's possible.

Ol' No. 2
07-19-2006, 10:54 AM
We really do need to give props to Konerko for his turnaround. Over the last couple of years he has become a much much better hitter. Of course, he i doing so good this year because a)he is not being asked to bat 3rd, and b)he is batting behing the monster Thome and ahead of Dye. Either way, he has transfomed into a much better hitter. He might not be an elite star like A-Rod or Pujols, but he is only a step below them.

I should admit that before last season, I was hoping we would trade Konerko instead of Lee. Boy, am I glad that didn't happen.:redface:To some extent, I think we're just seeing the normal maturation of a player. Players typically have their best seasons between the ages of 28-32. Power hitters tend to peak around 30-32, so PK is in his prime years right now.

Frater Perdurabo
07-19-2006, 12:19 PM
To some extent, I think we're just seeing the normal maturation of a player. Players typically have their best seasons between the ages of 28-32. Power hitters tend to peak around 30-32, so PK is in his prime years right now.

Agreed. From what I've seen and heard, power hitters tend to see their power numbers increase after age 28 while their average tends to decrease. What's exciting is that Paulie's power numbers and his average have increased lately. I'm not saying that he's going to win a batting title or lead the league in homers this year or next, but it is a positive trend. Qualitatively, he's getting better at hitting the ball to right and right-center fields, which bodes well for his ability to be a productive player even when he doesn't hit a homer.

Britt Burns
07-19-2006, 01:06 PM
I think Paulie is one of those rare players whose influence on his team goes way beyond his performance on the field-which in of itself is spectacular. With Ozzie being the energetic, in-your-face type of manager that he is, with the AJ circus that always seems to be going on (and I am certainly not blaming AJ for all that) I think Paul's quiet professionalism and leadershp strikes a perfect balance in the clubhouse and off the field.

He has made himself into a good fielder and a more complete hitter, only Crede was more clutch in the post season last year, and he bounced back from an awful 2003 that might have crippled the careers of other players. Even with Thome, Dye, etc. having monster seasons, I think the Sox offense still revolves arround Paul, and he has been consistent and extremely productive.

Jurr
07-19-2006, 01:41 PM
To some extent, I think we're just seeing the normal maturation of a player. Players typically have their best seasons between the ages of 28-32. Power hitters tend to peak around 30-32, so PK is in his prime years right now.
Exactly. As soon as they are able to combine their natural power with true professionalism (learning pitchers, studying, practicing patience at the plate), most of the power guys really take off.

It's nice to see some of the younger guys (Howard, Pujols) coming into the league already knowing what they have to put into being a good power hitter, and their work really shows on the field.