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rowand33
07-17-2006, 08:41 PM
I like that team a lot this year.

I like the lineup, I like the bench, I like the top 3 starters. And BJ Ryan is one of the best closers out there.

I'd love to see them take the AL East. I hate the BoSox and Yankees.

MarySwiss
07-17-2006, 08:46 PM
I like that team a lot this year.

I like the lineup, I like the bench, I like the top 3 starters. And BJ Ryan is one of the best closers out there.

I'd love to see them take the AL East. I hate the BoSox and Yankees.

No, you most certainly are not. I have been picking the Jays to win the AL East since before the season began. I actually called the ALCS as Sox over Jays. They did a lot of the same stuff offseason this year that the Sox did last year. They've had a couple of bumps in the road, but we'll see.

Paulwny
07-17-2006, 08:47 PM
I like that team a lot this year.

I like the lineup, I like the bench, I like the top 3 starters. And BJ Ryan is one of the best closers out there.

I'd love to see them take the AL East. I hate the BoSox and Yankees.

The Jays remind me of the DOW, a roller coaster ride. Maybe they'll get hot and not have a prolonged losing streak.

rowand33
07-17-2006, 08:50 PM
No, you most certainly are not. I have been picking the Jays to win the AL East since before the season began. I actually called the ALCS as Sox over Jays. They did a lot of the same stuff offseason this year that the Sox did last year. They've had a couple of bumps in the road, but we'll see.

See, in the offseason, I figured the Jays would be much improved but I wasn't sure they were better than the Red Sox. I thought they were better than the Yankees and their laughable pitching though.

That Jays lineup is pretty amazing though. solid contact hitters from top to bottom.

MarySwiss
07-17-2006, 08:53 PM
See, in the offseason, I figured the Jays would be much improved but I wasn't sure they were better than the Red Sox. I thought they were better than the Yankees and their laughable pitching though.

That Jays lineup is pretty amazing though. solid contact hitters from top to bottom.

Agree. And it's a long season. I think they are better than the Sawx and the Yanks.

Time will tell. :smile:

RKMeibalane
07-17-2006, 09:42 PM
Nope. They're getting better and better.

LongLiveFisk
07-17-2006, 10:18 PM
Baby Fisk is from Toronto....BF, how good do you think the Jays are?

By the way, are they your 2nd favorite team or do you not care for them? :smile:

buehrle4cy05
07-17-2006, 11:24 PM
I'm impressed with Toronto. I caught the game today on the Extra Innings preview, and Ted Lilly looked really good. With Chacin coming back for the stretch drive, they have 4 solid guys in their rotation in Halladay, Burnett, Lilly, and Chacin. Janssen is solid when it comes to #5 starters, and BJ Ryan is a dominant closer. As for their defense, Vernon Wells is a gold-glove CF, and Bengie Molina has a hose from behind the plate. And, of course, their offense is great.

TDog
07-18-2006, 03:12 AM
Agree. And it's a long season. I think they are better than the Sawx and the Yanks.

Time will tell. :smile:

Some days they look better than the Red Sox or Yankees. Still, they easily could have lost -- no, should have lost -- at least a couple of games to the Mariners over the weekend.

SABRSox
07-18-2006, 03:15 AM
Not this year. Next year. Red Sox and Yankees won't be able to keep up.

harwar
07-18-2006, 07:50 AM
It will be interesting to see how they deal with Vernon Wells.

itsnotrequired
07-18-2006, 09:18 AM
Let's see, in the AL they have the highest average, highest slugging percentage, most hits, 2nd most home runs, 2nd most doubles, 3rd most triples and 3rd highest on-base percentage.

Seems like a good offense to me...

SoxFan76
07-18-2006, 09:27 AM
I've been talking them up (granted, not on WSI...) all year. I really like that team. The lineup isn't full of stars, just a bunch of guys who can hit. Hawk made some good points about their lineup: they have good fastball hitters and good breaking ball hitters. On any given day you are going to give pitchers fits. Thinking about the White Sox lineup in my head, none of them strike me as decent breaking ball hitters.

Baby Fisk
07-18-2006, 09:57 AM
The Jays would prolly be in first place were it not for injuries.

Two of their top starters (Burnett and Chacin) have been injured for large portions of the season. Various fielders have missed time with minor injuries (All Star Alex Rios is currently out with a leg infection). Their shortstop developed a mental block making throws to first and has been demoted to the bench, with a journeyman taking his place.

The biggest problem for the Jays remains their atrocious bullpen. Other than B.J. Ryan, that bullpen is awful. The problem has been Jays starters not being able to go deep into games, forcing the bullpen to be overworked.

Despite all this, Roy Halladay chugs along towards another Cy Young award. He is awesome.

Living in Toronto, I see a lot of the media coverage of this team and "follow" their progress. I've been to a dozen Jays games this year, mostly to hang out in the upper deck and work on my tan, but I've never been a diehard Jays fan. During the 1993 ALCS, I was the outcast among my friends and have never forgotten how bad it felt to lose that series. It's White Sox, Mets, then nobody else.

Jjav829
07-18-2006, 11:00 AM
They need to shore up their starting pitching. They are one more good-to-great starter from being possibly the favorites in that division. The only concern I'd have with them is A.J. Burnett's health.

BTW, Steve Phillips said on BBTN the other day that the Blue Jays are interested in Garcia/Vazquez.

MarySwiss
07-18-2006, 11:26 AM
They need to shore up their starting pitching. They are one more good-to-great starter from being possibly the favorites in that division. The only concern I'd have with them is A.J. Burnett's health.

BTW, Steve Phillips said on BBTN the other day that the Blue Jays are interested in Garcia/Vazquez.

I've been kicking myself that I didn't drop a buck or two on them when I was in Laughlin, but the odds sucked. But I'm driving back up there sometime soon to bet the Bears, so maybe I still will.

Baby Fisk
07-18-2006, 12:00 PM
They need to shore up their starting pitching. They are one more good-to-great starter from being possibly the favorites in that division. The only concern I'd have with them is A.J. Burnett's health.

BTW, Steve Phillips said on BBTN the other day that the Blue Jays are interested in Garcia/Vazquez.
Burnett has returned from the DL and is looking good.

Yeah, if they swung a deal for another elite starter, it would make the difference between third place and first place. Not sure what kinds of prospects the Jays would have to offer to land a big arm, but then Boston or New York might intervene and swing a deal just so Toronto can't.

What pisses me off is that the ****ing Yankees are still lurking near the top with that depleted lineup.

Lip Man 1
07-18-2006, 12:05 PM
Fisk:

I agree with you about the Yanks although they still half a half dozen or so guys who could start for practically anyone else in baseball.

I was thinking about this yesterday...the Sox had a chance to bury them and pissed it all away, maybe it's the 'Yankee Mystique.' I say that in all seriousness. In N.Y. because of ownership and the fans, losing simply isn't tolerated. Hell they think it's a bad year if they don't win 94 games.

I think that constant pressure results in constant concentration.

The Yanks got embarassed 17-1 by Cleveland on July 4th, George ripped them apart and since then they've gone 9-1.

Maybe Ozzie needs to try that tactic.

Lip

viagracat
07-18-2006, 12:32 PM
Yeah, I think the Jays don't get enough respect. They're in the thick of this thing, and not a lot of people know that.

Which is probably exactly what they want.

Baby Fisk
07-18-2006, 12:39 PM
Yeah, I think the Jays don't get enough respect. They're in the thick of this thing, and not a lot of people know that.

Which is probably exactly what they want.
You wouldn't know that talking to most Jays fans. Their message boards are constantly being overtaken by dark clouds -- one loss to KC or Seattle and everyone goes bananas (sound familiar? it's worse).

The Jays currently have a better record than they did in 1993 when they won it all, but the fans act like they are in last place. It's a bizarre board over there.

TornLabrum
07-18-2006, 12:40 PM
You wouldn't know that talking to most Jays fans. Their message boards are constantly being overtaken by dark clouds -- one loss to KC or Seattle and everyone goes bananas (sound familiar? it's worse).

The Jays currently have the same record as they did in 1993 when they won it all, but the fans act like they are in last place. It's a bizarre board over there.

Doesn't sound so bizarre to me. I know a board where the fans of a second place team that won the World Series last year behave like the team is in last place.