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The Wall
07-17-2006, 02:07 PM
Sorry if this is roadhouse.
After watching Freddie Garcia for 2 seasons now, I have been wondering about his throwing motion as compared with the other pitchers on our staff (notably with McCarthy's).

While Garcia seems to lazily roll his arm around his body and the radar gun flashes 93 mph...you can notice a visibly high body motion and quick arm action of McCarthy and the gun will read about 89-91 mph.

I've never seen any pitcher be as easy throwing as Garcia seems. By easy, I mean the lazy roll of the arm to throw a fast ball with not much body seemingly behind the pitch.

What do you think?

TheOldRoman
07-17-2006, 02:33 PM
Well, I don't know why this would go to the roadhouse, but ok.

I agree that Garcia's motion is unique and very effortless. The easiest pitching motion I have ever seen (and I haven't followed baseball for THAT long) is Matt Thornton. His motion looks like he is effortlessly tossing the ball to the catcher, and it comes up on the hitter at 98 mph.

Britt Burns
07-17-2006, 02:39 PM
The easiest pitching motion I have ever seen (and I haven't followed baseball for THAT long) is Matt Thornton. His motion looks like he is effortlessly tossing the ball to the catcher, and it comes up on the hitter at 98 mph.

My vote is for Verlander. He seems to just flip the ball up there at 98, 99...

ondafarm
07-17-2006, 02:44 PM
The general rule is that starters have smoother motions and that relievers tend to have herky-jerky motions which disrupt a batter's tracking. Then again, I can't name a relief pitcher who was around for twenty years, but several starters come to mind.

DaleJRFan
07-17-2006, 02:52 PM
The general rule is that starters have smoother motions and that relievers tend to have herky-jerky motions which disrupt a batter's tracking. Then again, I can't name a relief pitcher who was around for twenty years, but several starters come to mind.

Jesse Orasco and John Franco come to mind...

Soxgirl22
07-17-2006, 03:38 PM
I've never seen any pitcher be as easy throwing as Garcia seems. By easy, I mean the lazy roll of the arm to throw a fast ball with not much body seemingly behind the pitch.


Garcia also has one of the most ridiculously long leg kicks. I could steal second on him, he's that slow.

nasox
07-17-2006, 04:03 PM
Garcia also has one of the most ridiculously long leg kicks. I could steal second on him, he's that slow.

He takes pride in his long legs. From here to nowhere.

ondafarm
07-17-2006, 04:14 PM
Jesse Orasco and John Franco come to mind...

Both guys with very smooth effortless motions. Both had a lot of wins as relievers as well, they both could be used for multiple innings, not really situational specialists.

Nellie_Fox
07-18-2006, 12:35 AM
Jesse Orasco and John Franco come to mind...Rich Gossage had 22 years. The one-inning specialist "closer" is a relatively recent invention (pretty much started by LaRussa and the A's with Eckersley.) Your "fireman" was expected to come in and shut down a threat any time from the seventh inning on. They usually came in with men on base and the opposition rallying. It was a much tougher job back then.

Domeshot17
07-18-2006, 12:38 AM
hate to say it, but the easiest 96 I have ever seen was Prior. He looks like hes playing catch, and the gun used to be 95-96. funny because now he looks like hes playing catch, but thats because he is, with a towel in his hand.

SABRSox
07-18-2006, 02:14 AM
Garcia also has one of the most ridiculously long leg kicks. I could steal second on him, he's that slow.

For another website, somebody asked what would be the absolute worst battery for holding on runners. I said Freddy Garcia and Victor Martinez. You could walk to second and still be safe.

Still love ya Freddy! :D:

The Wall
07-18-2006, 07:54 AM
If the leg kick makes that much of a difference (and I've heard quite a lot of that talk from Hawk and DJ during Freddie's starts) can he cut down on that a bit without altering his delivery?