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MadetoOrta
07-17-2006, 11:43 AM
If the season ended with the Sox - let's say - 24 games over .500 they'd finish 93-69 and about 3-5 games short of the Wild Card. Let's assume 96 wins gets you in the Wild Card. That's 96-66. We need to go 7 over .500 the rest of the way to reach that goal. If we can't go 7 over .500 over the last 70+ games, we're not worthy of making the playoffs. I, for one, believe they will still finish with 96-100 wins and make the playoffs.

I've been saying all season, it's like a golf game. Don't worry about the Tigers, worry about the Sox posting a score at the end of 4 rounds that gives you a chance to win the whole thing. That's all you can ask for.

Quit the dark clouds, there's work to be done!

Baby Fisk
07-17-2006, 11:50 AM
The White Sox in the playoffs is an unstoppable war machine.

cleanwsox
07-17-2006, 11:50 AM
Good thinking. With the great first half the Sox had, they have set themselves up to have a few minor slumps and still be ok in the long run. This Detroit team has to cool down somewhat and hopefully the Sox can pounce on them when they do.

SoxFan76
07-17-2006, 11:53 AM
I appreciate the thought, but aren't there other threads telling people to step off the ledge?

For as many dark cloud threads, there are just as many sunny sky threads. Quit sucking up to the mods! :D:

(Just joking)

Hawkeroo1980
07-17-2006, 11:57 AM
Good thinking. With the great first half the Sox had, they have set themselves up to have a few minor slumps and still be ok in the long run. This Detroit team has to cool down somewhat and hopefully the Sox can pounce on them when they do.


OK seriously......this has got to stop. Isn't anyone else sick and tired of hearing "Detroit will cool down" "Detroit will come back to Earth".

DETROIT IS FOR REAL.......end of story. Can the Sox catch them, very possible. Will the Sox get to the playoffs, very possible--no Dark Clouds here.

But for gods sake, can we please acknowledge that detroit is not a fluke. We are in the end of July already and they aren't slowing down

itsnotrequired
07-17-2006, 12:01 PM
OK seriously......this has got to stop. Isn't anyone else sick and tired of hearing "Detroit will cool down" "Detroit will come back to Earth".

DETROIT IS FOR REAL.......end of story. Can the Sox catch them, very possible. Will the Sox get to the playoffs, very possible--no Dark Clouds here.

But for gods sake, can we please acknowledge that detroit is not a fluke. We are in the end of July already and they aren't slowing down

Other than Rodgers, Detroit doesn't have a single starter that has pitched over 200 innings in a season. For now, Detroit looks as real as can be but I'm curious how those arms will be feeling in September...

Baby Fisk
07-17-2006, 12:03 PM
OK seriously......this has got to stop. Isn't anyone else sick and tired of hearing "Detroit will cool down" "Detroit will come back to Earth".

DETROIT IS FOR REAL.......end of story. Can the Sox catch them, very possible. Will the Sox get to the playoffs, very possible--no Dark Clouds here.

But for gods sake, can we please acknowledge that detroit is not a fluke. We are in the end of July already and they aren't slowing down
I'm with you, Hawkeroo. Everyone was expecting the Sox to "cool down" last year and they didn't, so what makes anyone think the Tigers are guaranteed to cool down? The Central division will be decided head-to-head, starting this week when the Sox take 2 of 3. It will be a battle to the wire, with the division being clinched by the Sox in the final week.

spiffie
07-17-2006, 12:06 PM
I'm with you, Hawkeroo. Everyone was expecting the Sox to "cool down" last year and they didn't, so what makes anyone think the Tigers are guaranteed to cool down? The Central division will be decided head-to-head, starting this week when the Sox take 2 of 3. It will be a battle to the wire, with the division being clinched by the Sox in the final week.
To be fair we did cool down. In August we were below .500 and we had some rough patches in September before we cranked it up going into the playoffs.

Detroit however does not have the luxury of a 15 game lead to fall back on should they hit a rough patch. I don't think they'll collapse, but I would not be surprised to see them play just a bit over .500 ball the rest of the way. Which will still get them in the playoffs as I completely expect them to do.

TornLabrum
07-17-2006, 12:08 PM
I'm with you, Hawkeroo. Everyone was expecting the Sox to "cool down" last year and they didn't, so what makes anyone think the Tigers are guaranteed to cool down? The Central division will be decided head-to-head, starting this week when the Sox take 2 of 3. It will be a battle to the wire, with the division being clinched by the Sox in the final week.

The Sox cooled down enough in August to have a 12-16 record for the month.

CaptainBallz
07-17-2006, 12:09 PM
Everyone was expecting the Sox to "cool down" last year and they didn't, so what makes anyone think the Tigers are guaranteed to cool down?

Yeah, they did...quite severly actually. That's why I like this Sox team, even though they're aggravating. You know their best is much better than what we've seen the last two weeks. They WILL turn it around. And when they stride (and they have this year before), they're ridiculously good. I doubt this dip will be an extended one.

You just know Detroit will hit a bump. It won't be a falling off the map, but it will be a bump. The Sox just better be in their stride when that bump comes.

Baby Fisk
07-17-2006, 12:10 PM
Good points by Messrs spiffie and Labrum. IF the Tigers cool down, the Sox are there to pounce.

Unless the Sox concurrently cool down, then it's back to the drawing board... :redneck

Hawkeroo1980
07-17-2006, 12:21 PM
the thing is........ the sox last year were not as balenced as detroit is now. Detroit has a good mixture of pitching and offense. The sox last year had great pitching, but the (at times) lackluster offense was a major reason for that mini-meltdown in August.

All in all, if the Sox hang tough with detroit, I believe that experience will thwart them ahead of Detroit

But sitting back idle and just waiting for Detroit to colapse is not in the cards for me.....I think they are def. for real.

sox1970
07-17-2006, 12:22 PM
You know their best is much better than what we've seen the last two weeks. They WILL turn it around. And when they stride (and they have this year before), they're ridiculously good. I doubt this dip will be an extended one.

You just know Detroit will hit a bump. It won't be a falling off the map, but it will be a bump. The Sox just better be in their stride when that bump comes.

The starting pitching has been bad for the last quarter season. Who's to say they won't continue to suck? There's no guarantee the Sox will even be a winning team the rest of the way. There's also a chance Detroit will continue to win tons of games the rest of the way because they actually have good starting pitching, unlike the White Sox.

Twins Win
07-17-2006, 12:22 PM
I don't really see the Tigers cooling down. Their pitching has only given up 350 runs so far this season. The next closest AL team is Minnesota with 408 and the Sox are at 441. When you see a pitching staff like that you may see a little bump here and there but the whole team will not cool down. With that being said the Sox are still close but it would quickly turn for the worse if they don't win this series with the Tigers.

infohawk
07-17-2006, 12:26 PM
You just know Detroit will hit a bump. It won't be a falling off the map, but it will be a bump. The Sox just better be in their stride when that bump comes. I agree. Detroit doesn't have a starting rotation that has historically logged-in a full season of quality innings. In addition, they don't have any depth on their team and could wear down (especially the guys with injury histories like Guillen and Ordonez). I'm not saying that we can take that to the bank, but that the vulnerability is there. The Sox have the depth and experienced rotation to kind of keep chugging along through the dog days and down the stretch.

CaptainBallz
07-17-2006, 12:37 PM
The starting pitching has been bad for the last quarter season. Who's to say they won't continue to suck? There's no guarantee the Sox will even be a winning team the rest of the way. There's also a chance Detroit will continue to win tons of games the rest of the way because they actually have good starting pitching, unlike the White Sox.

Nobody can no for sure, but do you really think this is the end of the road for Mark Buerhle? Do you think new Contreras is reverting back to old Contreras and is going to stay that way? Garland has looked better, do you think that won't last?

Like I said, noone can say for sure whether they'll turn it around or not, but it would be an under achievement of epic proportions to have the ENTIRE starting lineup continue this funk. As far as Detroit, they finished the first half 59-29. I highly doubt they'll continue that ridiculous clip throughout the second half. If they do, then they deserve to win it all because that lights out baseball. I just think the law of averages will take over at some point.

LongLiveFisk
07-17-2006, 12:46 PM
I'm with those who think that Detroit is not going away. That said, I do expect KW to make some moves. I'm sure he's not happy with what he's been seeing lately.

Let's just hope this stretch is nothing like last September, especially given the fact that we're looking up at a division leader and not down this time.

viagracat
07-17-2006, 12:50 PM
OK seriously......this has got to stop. Isn't anyone else sick and tired of hearing "Detroit will cool down" "Detroit will come back to Earth".

DETROIT IS FOR REAL.......end of story. Can the Sox catch them, very possible. Will the Sox get to the playoffs, very possible--no Dark Clouds here.

But for gods sake, can we please acknowledge that detroit is not a fluke. We are in the end of July already and they aren't slowing down

I agree, and I'll add that the Sox--and we--can't fret about it. Although the Sox have a say in the 13 games they have left with the Tigers, there's not much anybody can do about the rest of them.

Maybe Detroit will cool down. Maybe they won't. I don't know. All the Sox can do is take care of their own business. If they play 75% of the time up to their capability (no one brings their A game to the park every day), they will make the playoffs regardless of what Detroit or anyone else does. And that's up to Ozzie and the players. Not Detroit.

voodoochile
07-17-2006, 01:12 PM
the thing is........ the sox last year were not as balenced as detroit is now. Detroit has a good mixture of pitching and offense. The sox last year had great pitching, but the (at times) lackluster offense was a major reason for that mini-meltdown in August.

All in all, if the Sox hang tough with detroit, I believe that experience will thwart them ahead of Detroit

But sitting back idle and just waiting for Detroit to colapse is not in the cards for me.....I think they are def. for real.

The Tiger pitching is going to have to prove it. Balanced teams don't beat one with great pitching in the playoffs.

Right now the Tigers have one good half of pitching and a great offense. Will the pitching hold up? Time will tell.

voodoochile
07-17-2006, 01:14 PM
The starting pitching has been bad for the last quarter season. Who's to say they won't continue to suck? There's no guarantee the Sox will even be a winning team the rest of the way. There's also a chance Detroit will continue to win tons of games the rest of the way because they actually have good starting pitching, unlike the White Sox.

Simply silly. The Sox starters aren't pitching up to career standards at present. For you to assume that will continue is no better than assuming the Tigers pitching will continue to outperform career norms.

Jjav829
07-17-2006, 01:31 PM
The Tigers will cool down. This isn't a question of whether they will or not; it will happen. At their pace right now, the Tigers would win 109 games. Does anyone really think the Tigers are a 109 win team? Not a chance. With the pitching we had last year, we only won 99 games. And, as I've said many times before, Rogers falls off in the second half, Verlander is on pace to have an 80+ innings increase in a one year span (which could wreck havoc on his arm like Prior), etc.

We just have to take care of our business. I'm not saying the Tigers are going to collapse. They're a good team and may very well be in the playoffs, but they will come back to us.

ondafarm
07-17-2006, 01:31 PM
The Tigers are a good team, but not a great team. They've been doing what they needed to to win; crushing the weak sisters and playing well (.500)against the better teams.

Do they have some vulnerabilities? If you don't think so, then you just don't know much about baseball.

I think the Sox-Tigers race will be a dogfight until the end of the season. There are still a lot of games head to head. The Tigers didn't play that well against the Royals this weekend while the Sox stunk against the Yanks. Now, head-to-head whats it look like.

I expect the Tigers to be a playoff team this year, but I also expect the White Sox to be in the playoffs.

downstairs
07-17-2006, 01:44 PM
Mark my words, its going to be a tight race. I would not be surprised to find The Sox, Tigers, Yankees, Boston and Toronto all within 1-2 games of each other, in September, fighting for three playoff spots.

Pierzynski 12
07-17-2006, 01:47 PM
SP has been an absolute joke this year. Our "ace" has an era over 4.:cuss:

thomas35forever
07-17-2006, 01:54 PM
OK seriously......this has got to stop. Isn't anyone else sick and tired of hearing "Detroit will cool down" "Detroit will come back to Earth".

DETROIT IS FOR REAL.......end of story. Can the Sox catch them, very possible. Will the Sox get to the playoffs, very possible--no Dark Clouds here.

But for gods sake, can we please acknowledge that detroit is not a fluke. We are in the end of July already and they aren't slowing down
I'm not saying Detroit is a fluke. I'm just going to assume this team is for real untl they do fall off the face of the earth.

voodoochile
07-17-2006, 01:55 PM
SP has been an absolute joke this year. Our "ace" has an era over 4.:cuss:

Why do you think that will continue?

Pierzynski 12
07-17-2006, 01:55 PM
Tigers pitching staff hasn't looked so great since the break.

Pierzynski 12
07-17-2006, 01:56 PM
Why do you think that will continue?

What do you mean?

Fake Chet Lemon
07-17-2006, 02:01 PM
OK seriously......this has got to stop. Isn't anyone else sick and tired of hearing "Detroit will cool down" "Detroit will come back to Earth".


Most of the KC series the Tiger pitching was not too impressive. Detroit is now THE HUNTED.

They have the division lead and they are at home for this Sox series, so they are expected to win. Let's see how they perform in this situation. Once Cleveland bacame the favorite last September they collapsed. I can't wait to see how Detroit handles this series. I feel good about the Sox chances going in, I think the Sox will win the series and really get in Detroit's head. (But if the Tiger's sweep, I would officially become a dark-cloud!). It's time for the patented Kenny Rogers 2nd-half collapse anyway.

voodoochile
07-17-2006, 02:04 PM
What do you mean?

Why do you assume our stud pitchers will continue to falter?

Hawkeroo1980
07-17-2006, 02:07 PM
Tigers pitching staff hasn't looked so great since the break.


VERY true.......are the royals that pesky or is the tigers pitching really starting to come down to earth.

BTW-- whats the deal with Maroth.....he had surgery on his elbow, right? Is he due back?

Hawkeroo1980
07-17-2006, 02:11 PM
Most of the KC series the Tiger pitching was not too impressive. Detroit is now THE HUNTED.

They have the division lead and they are at home for this Sox series, so they are expected to win. Let's see how they perform in this situation. Once Cleveland bacame the favorite last September they collapsed. I can't wait to see how Detroit handles this series. I feel good about the Sox chances going in, I think the Sox will win the series and really get in Detroit's head. (But if the Tiger's sweep, I would officially become a dark-cloud!). It's time for the patented Kenny Rogers 2nd-half collapse anyway.

your point about them being the hunted now is def. a good one.......however, overall I think all the "reasons" supporting an eventual collapse by detroit are pretty weak. Baseball is a game of odds......and odds are the tiger will be in the playoffs and win roughly 92-95 games. Barring any injury of course

I just can't huddle around the "kenny rogers 2nd half slide" campfire

Hitmen77
07-17-2006, 02:19 PM
If the season ended with the Sox - let's say - 24 games over .500 they'd finish 93-69 and about 3-5 games short of the Wild Card. Let's assume 96 wins gets you in the Wild Card. That's 96-66. We need to go 7 over .500 the rest of the way to reach that goal. If we can't go 7 over .500 over the last 70+ games, we're not worthy of making the playoffs. I, for one, believe they will still finish with 96-100 wins and make the playoffs.

I've been saying all season, it's like a golf game. Don't worry about the Tigers, worry about the Sox posting a score at the end of 4 rounds that gives you a chance to win the whole thing. That's all you can ask for.

Quit the dark clouds, there's work to be done!

I don't believe the "96 (or insert some other number) wins will get us into the playoffs" theory. Right now, the Sox have to finish with a better record than at least one of the following teams to make the playoffs: Tigers, Yankee$, and Red $ox. The Sox trail Detroit by 4.5 games and we lead NY by only 3 games and Boston by only 2.5 games. I find it hard to believe that the Sox will stay ahead of these 3 teams by simply playing a few games above .500 from here on out. Plus we could face serious challenges from Toronto or Minnesota if one of them get hot in the 2nd half.

It's all going to come down to our starting pitching. Can at least 3 or 4 of our starters have a decent 2nd half? If not, we won't make the playoffs. I for one will not be comforted by having the Sox be the first 95 win team in the wild card era to miss the playoffs.

Paulwny
07-17-2006, 02:32 PM
It's all going to come down to our starting pitching. Can at least 3 or 4 of our starters have a decent 2nd half? If not, we won't make the playoffs. I for one will not be comforted by having the Sox be the first 95 win team in the wild card era to miss the playoffs.


Absolutely correct !!!!

GoSox2K3
07-17-2006, 11:23 PM
Why do you assume our stud pitchers will continue to falter?

Are Buehrle's and Garcia's arms going to get "un-tired" suddenly?

At least Garland and Vazquez problems are pretty much their heads. There's hope that they can really become studs in the 2nd half if they just get their **** together. But, that's still an "if" for those guys.

Contreras hasn't really been the same since his trip to the DL. I'm hoping he's going to get back in sync for the 2nd half and he's not suffering some drop off in performance from his injury.

soxinem1
07-17-2006, 11:33 PM
It seems to me our starters, all of them, do not have the killer instinct they should have. I cannot recall so many 0-2, 1-2 hits and walks.

Now that they have made the mid point pass through the schedule, I sure see most teams making the most of their AB's. The alarmingly low total of K's by Sox pitchers, except Jenks and Thornton, is discouraging.

While I will not hit the panic button, I do think they need to get back that chip on their shoulder and start burying the opposing hitters more.

soxinem1
07-17-2006, 11:37 PM
your point about them being the hunted now is def. a good one.......however, overall I think all the "reasons" supporting an eventual collapse by detroit are pretty weak. Baseball is a game of odds......and odds are the tiger will be in the playoffs and win roughly 92-95 games. Barring any injury of course

I just can't huddle around the "kenny rogers 2nd half slide" campfire

Not only that, they are winning without Maroth. But Jones closing while walking a tightrope every night has to burst the bubble eventually, right?

Lip Man 1
07-18-2006, 11:49 AM
Sox:

Not necessarily.

Lip

TheOldRoman
07-18-2006, 11:58 AM
The Tigers will cool down. This isn't a question of whether they will or not; it will happen. At their pace right now, the Tigers would win 109 games. Does anyone really think the Tigers are a 109 win team? Not a chance. With the pitching we had last year, we only won 99 games. And, as I've said many times before, Rogers falls off in the second half, Verlander is on pace to have an 80+ innings increase in a one year span (which could wreck havoc on his arm like Prior), etc.

We just have to take care of our business. I'm not saying the Tigers are going to collapse. They're a good team and may very well be in the playoffs, but they will come back to us.
:thumbsup:

Jurr
07-18-2006, 01:14 PM
Until the run-ins with the Red Sox and Yankees, the Sox were steadily winning series. That's what matters. Now, you can't discount the fact that the Yankees and Red Sox can make ANY staff look bad in any given series.

The norm for this team is to win series, and just because there's been two series in a row that haven't come up aces for our boys doesn't mean the trend's going to continue.

We were beaten by two teams that were wanting to make a serious point. The Sox were flatter than the other teams, and it showed. Look at the Red Sox vs. Oakland for a great example of focus. The Red Sox weren't gunning for Oakland, the A's of course want to beat Boston badly (the A's are trying to prove that they are capable), and guess who won?

The Sox are still learning to play with a bullseye on their backs, and the fact that their record is so solid says alot for the talent on this roster. Just because there was a hiccup against two very good teams means nothing. It's July. When September and October roll around, we'll see who comes out gunning.

That said, it's time to take care of business against the Tigers. If you don't think the Sox will be fired up for this series, you're crazy.