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LITTLE NELL
07-16-2006, 11:35 AM
I may be pushing the panic button but todays game is crucial. We do not want to go into Detroit with a 3 game losing streak. Freddie needs to come up big and get this pitching staff on the right path.

viagracat
07-16-2006, 11:37 AM
I too want them to win, but the world will not end if they don't. Trust me. :rolleyes:

The Critic
07-16-2006, 11:39 AM
I'm not keen on a "must-win" game in July, but yes, a win going into Detroit would be a very nice thing.
3 wins IN Detroit would be much better, though.

SBSoxFan
07-16-2006, 11:40 AM
I too want them to win, but the world will not end if they don't. Trust me. :rolleyes:

I agree. The 3 in Detroit are much more important. And if those don't go well ... well, there's 10 more against them after that.

slobes
07-16-2006, 11:41 AM
I don't really believe in a must-win game until Detroit's magic number starts getting really low. Even if we were to lose today, I think that would push the Sox even more going into the Detroit series.

kevingrt
07-16-2006, 11:43 AM
This game is crucial but the panic button isn't close to me yet. I do think Freddy will come out with a quality start though and try to get this pitching staff steered in the right direction. It's a day game versus an AL East ballclub, so shouldn't Freddy go like 8 innings and 1 run?

voodoochile
07-16-2006, 11:43 AM
A must win? *****...:rolleyes:

greygoose
07-16-2006, 11:51 AM
I agree. The 3 in Detroit are much more important. And if those don't go well ... well, there's 10 more against them after that.

How are 3 wins in Detroit much more important? If we lose today and the Tigers win again, then it's the same as losing to Detroit. :rolleyes:

itsnotrequired
07-16-2006, 11:53 AM
A must win? *****...:rolleyes:

The only must-win game is the one that will knock the Sox out of the postseason.

viagracat
07-16-2006, 11:58 AM
How are 3 wins in Detroit much more important? If we lose today and the Tigers win again, then it's the same as losing to Detroit. :rolleyes:

Dude, you're starting to get on my nerves. Go troll some other site. :angry:

patbooyah
07-16-2006, 12:08 PM
everyone is acting like our team is falling apart. sure, buehrle has had some tough starts, but he's a proven winner. freddy has had some tough outings, but i think he's just tired from the WBC. vazquez seems like his days with the sox are numbered. garland has been coming around and jose only lost on friday because of a bad umpire (don't usually blame umps, but feel confident about that one).

kenny rogers is a proven second half dud. he gave up 5 runs in four innings to the royals on friday. he has an 8.84 ERA over his last four starts.

nate robertson has a second half ERA of about 5.70 the last two seasons. we'll see how he does today.

bonderman gave up 4 runs, seven runs and five walks against the royals.

justin verlander pitched 130 innings last year and then missed the rest of the season with shoulder soreness. i'd be surprised if the tigers let him reach 200 innings this year, and if they put him on that pace i'd be surprised if it doesn't **** up his arm (a la wood/prior) for the rest of his career.

zach miner is pitching way over his head, but i have no concrete reason for doubt with him, but i don't think he can maintain this success the entire year.

i'd much rather have our pitching staff than theirs, and i'd much rather lose to the yankees than have our pitchers look bad against the royals.

viagracat
07-16-2006, 12:16 PM
We can't do anything about the Tigers except when we play them, and to me predictions of them "coming back to earth" are getting old. Maybe they will. Maybe they won't. Sox have to take care of their business and not worry about the others. If they play as well as they're capable they'll be fine no matter what Detroit does. If making the playoffs was predicated on the Tigers folding, we're in trouble. But that's not the case.

Just play ball.

bigsqwert
07-16-2006, 12:17 PM
Dude, you're starting to get on my nerves. Go troll some other site. :angry:How is that trolling? It is a correct statement.

SOXSINCE'70
07-16-2006, 12:19 PM
IIRC,the Yankmees took 2 of 3 from the Kitties in Detroit.
And the Kitties still have a 3 game visit to "The Stadium"
scheduled in August.

voodoochile
07-16-2006, 12:20 PM
How is that trolling? It is a correct statement.

Just because it's true doesn't mean it isn't trolling...

I don't think GG is trolling, but it doesn't change that simple truth.

viagracat
07-16-2006, 12:20 PM
To me, anyone that says or implies the Sox can't do it is a troll. Offering intelligent suggestions or constructive criticism is not trolling. There's a difference.

bigsqwert
07-16-2006, 12:21 PM
Just because it's true doesn't mean it isn't trolling...

I don't think GG is trolling, but it doesn't change that simple truth.There are some overly sensitive people on this site.

voodoochile
07-16-2006, 12:23 PM
There are some overly sensitive people on this site.

Yes, but no trolls, so we got that going for us...:rolleyes:

bigsqwert
07-16-2006, 12:23 PM
To me, anyone that says or implies the Sox can't do it is a troll. Offering intelligent suggestions or constructive criticism is not trolling. There's a difference.You called someone a troll for stating that a Sox loss coupled by a Tigers win is the same as losing to the Tigers. I fail to see how that is trolling.

Chez
07-16-2006, 12:25 PM
Is there such a thing as a "must-win" in mid-July? I don't think so. It's not even a crucial game.

voodoochile
07-16-2006, 12:26 PM
You called someone a troll for stating that a Sox loss coupled by a Tigers win is the same as losing to the Tigers. I fail to see how that is trolling.

Lot's of definitions of trolling, like constantly arguing about what trolling is instead of adding something to the conversation.

Meaningless reptitive posts are part of what constitutes trolling as is talking about how sensitive people are around here.

Just food for thought...

SBSoxFan
07-16-2006, 12:26 PM
How is that trolling? It is a correct statement.
You can't worry about what another team is doing when you aren't playing them. There's a 2-game swing when you lose to a divisional opponent. Minnesota won 3 straight division titles by beating up on the Sox. It appears the Sox will need to do the same to Detroit this year. Given that the Sox are currently 5-1 against Detroit, it's going to be awhile before I start to worry.

EDIT: wwooohhhoooo, when did I get a personality?

bigsqwert
07-16-2006, 12:27 PM
Is there such a thing as a "must-win" in mid-July? I don't think so. It's not even a crucial game.I think so. Momentum and team psyche are intangibles that could affect how the team does going forward.

viagracat
07-16-2006, 12:28 PM
You called someone a troll for stating that a Sox loss coupled by a Tigers win is the same as losing to the Tigers. I fail to see how that is trolling.

My last post on this topic:

If you don't like the way the Sox are doing things, offer a suggestion to change it. That's cool. Wringing your hands and saying "woe is us, we don't have a chance" is being a dark cloud, and I think darks clouds and trolls often have the same ancestry. All this guy says is how we don't have a chance.

I'm done.

voodoochile
07-16-2006, 12:28 PM
I think so. Momentum and team psyche are intangibles that could affect how the team does going forward.

Which pre-supposes that the Sox are mentally fragile in the first place. Do they strike you that way? They don't me...

bigsqwert
07-16-2006, 12:29 PM
Lot's of definitions of trolling, like constantly arguing about what trolling is instead of adding something to the conversation.

Meaningless reptitive posts are part of what constitutes trolling as is talking about how sensitive people are around here.

Just food for thought...Fair enough. I admittedly don't frequent this board as much as others but when I do there seems to be too many people calling out trolls. Leave that to the mods.

MrRoboto83
07-16-2006, 12:40 PM
There are some overly sensitive people on this site.

From the way it sounds, you are one of them.

TornLabrum
07-16-2006, 12:40 PM
Fair enough. I admittedly don't frequent this board as much as others but when I do there seems to be too many people calling out trolls. Leave that to the mods.

Um...Voodoo is a mod.

bigsqwert
07-16-2006, 12:41 PM
Um...Voodoo is a mod.Right but it's the regular members that keep calling out trolls.

SOXSINCE'70
07-16-2006, 12:43 PM
Um...Voodoo is a mod.

:DJ

"UH-OH!!"

Sox-o-matic
07-16-2006, 12:47 PM
I don't know if it's a must win situation as much as it is an expected to win situation. Losing 2 out of 3 to the Yanks is understandable for any team, especially when they are throwing Randy Johnson and Mike Mussina at you. Getting swept by the Yanks when you have the better record and the better team is inexcusable.

Just for the record, must win games as far as the regular season is concerned are those games against crappy teams like the Royals, Tampa Bay, Seattle, etc. Detroit has been doing a better job in that department than we have and IMO is the only reason we aren't at least tied for first.

Either way though, we have to play Detroit tough and IMO at least take 2 of 3 because as mentioned numerous times on this board already, the Tigers have an easy end of the year while the Sox do not. I think we need a 2-3 game lead going into the end of September in order to take this division.

patbooyah
07-16-2006, 12:47 PM
everyone is acting like our team is falling apart. sure, buehrle has had some tough starts, but he's a proven winner. freddy has had some tough outings, but i think he's just tired from the WBC. vazquez seems like his days with the sox are numbered. garland has been coming around and jose only lost on friday because of a bad umpire (don't usually blame umps, but feel confident about that one).

kenny rogers is a proven second half dud. he gave up 5 runs in four innings to the royals on friday. he has an 8.84 ERA over his last four starts.

nate robertson has a second half ERA of about 5.70 the last two seasons. we'll see how he does today.

bonderman gave up 4 runs, seven runs and five walks against the royals.

justin verlander pitched 130 innings last year and then missed the rest of the season with shoulder soreness. i'd be surprised if the tigers let him reach 200 innings this year, and if they put him on that pace i'd be surprised if it doesn't **** up his arm (a la wood/prior) for the rest of his career.

zach miner is pitching way over his head, but i have no concrete reason for doubt with him, but i don't think he can maintain this success the entire year.

i'd much rather have our pitching staff than theirs, and i'd much rather lose to the yankees than have our pitchers look bad against the royals.

hey! i spent a lot of time typing this up and now it's been lost!

DeadMoney
07-16-2006, 12:49 PM
If someone told me that they'd win all 3 in Detroit, but would lose today. I'd take it. (If the world only worked like that)

So in regards to today being a "must win", I think not. But I will agree that it's an important game (just like the rest of the 162 are).

TornLabrum
07-16-2006, 12:52 PM
hey! i spent a lot of time typing this up and now it's been lost!

Um...it's post #11 in this thread.

patbooyah
07-16-2006, 12:56 PM
Um...it's post #11 in this thread.

yes, well i feel it should be given its own thread, stuck on the message board and each mod should have to post about how great i am. just a thought.

batmanZoSo
07-16-2006, 01:00 PM
yes, well i feel it should be given its own thread, stuck on the message board and each mod should have to post about how great i am. just a thought.

You're conceited!

TornLabrum
07-16-2006, 01:03 PM
yes, well i feel it should be given its own thread, stuck on the message board and each mod should have to post about how great i am. just a thought.

So you say you're going to pay for the patio party? Cool! (Just a thought about how much that'll cost you....)

patbooyah
07-16-2006, 01:04 PM
You're conceited!

don't make me copy and paste brian's "hawk and DJ share a long dialogue about one word responses" post and change it to two words. i'm not afraid, man.

digdagdug23
07-16-2006, 01:04 PM
I may be pushing the panic button but todays game is crucial. We do not want to go into Detroit with a 3 game losing streak. Freddie needs to come up big and get this pitching staff on the right path.

The name of this thread is inherently problematic. Isn't every game a must win, or do we now go into games with the mentality that this game against Kansas City, it would be really cool to win, but it is not neccessary, so sit back and relax on this one. If we happen to win, great, but if not, no worries?

itsnotrequired
07-16-2006, 01:25 PM
The name of this thread is inherently problematic. Isn't every game a must win, or do we now go into games with the mentality that this game against Kansas City, it would be really cool to win, but it is not neccessary, so sit back and relax on this one. If we happen to win, great, but if not, no worries?
Nobody thinks that way. You go into every game playing like it is a must win, regardless if it is truly a must win or not. If you don't get the win, it isn't as if the season is over. There are only a handful of truly must win games and they are at the end of the season.

nsolo
07-16-2006, 01:32 PM
Dude, you're starting to get on my nerves. Go troll some other site. :angry:

If the theme of the thread is so upsetting, why would one contiue to explore it?

downstairs
07-16-2006, 01:39 PM
Absolutely. Because today's game counts for two wins.

Jurr
07-16-2006, 04:19 PM
I may be pushing the panic button but todays game is crucial. We do not want to go into Detroit with a 3 game losing streak. Freddie needs to come up big and get this pitching staff on the right path.
Well, we lost the "MUST WIN". Must be time to stop watching them this year, right?:rolleyes:

Lip Man 1
07-16-2006, 05:03 PM
Sox-o-matic:

I agree 100% with your comments aabout 'must win' games are against garbage teams. That makes the 20 Sox losses against teams with a losing record so amazing. And to top it off in five of those losses they had the lead in the 7th inning or later and lost the game.

Think about how different the standings would look if the Sox did what was expected and win them.

Those are bad clubs for a reason.

Lip

batmanZoSo
07-16-2006, 05:35 PM
Well, we didn't win but we gave it our best shot. Maybe we can try again next year. Nice season, guys!

itsnotrequired
07-16-2006, 05:42 PM
Well, we didn't win but we gave it our best shot. Maybe we can try again next year. Nice season, guys!

Wait, you mean the season isn't over yet?

"must win" is the most overused term in baseball.

batmanZoSo
07-16-2006, 06:34 PM
Wait, you mean the season isn't over yet?

"must win" is the most overused term in baseball.


http://www.scammertainment.nm.ru/lh.gif
Well, we didn't win; here's your pizza.

But we did win.

That's okay, the box is empty. :smile:

ChiSoxlukes
07-16-2006, 07:54 PM
Relax, today's game was by no means a MUST WIN! Come on now! Last time I checked, it wasn't a game 7 of a playoff game!

Domeshot17
07-16-2006, 09:22 PM
This next series is HUGE. Hopefully, they got all of the bull**** out of their system, because we have a chance to climb back within 1, and keep the pressure on, or fall back to 7, and basically be fighting for the wild card.