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SpartanSoxFan
07-15-2006, 04:18 PM
Well????

My vote is to deal for a CF assuming Hermie will eventually make it back to the pen.

MrRoboto83
07-15-2006, 04:20 PM
Well????

My vote is to deal for a CF assuming Hermie will eventually make it back to the pen.


:rolleyes: why all the BA hate today

getonbckthr
07-15-2006, 04:21 PM
Starting now:
1) Release Politte, Bring up Hermy give him 2 weeks. If not successful get Roberto Hernandez.

2) I love Juan and Brian but if a deal is out there for a CF or Tejada take a chance.

StatHead21
07-15-2006, 04:22 PM
Another starting pitcher....

SpartanSoxFan
07-15-2006, 04:24 PM
:rolleyes: why all the BA hate today

Its not necessarily hate from today. I just don't think hes the guy to have as a starting CF. Over 80 plus games, he is still batting under .200. That isn't getting it done. That said, I honestly have a lot more hate for our starting pitching as of late...:angry: :angry: :angry:

SOXSINCE'70
07-15-2006, 04:49 PM
3 words:

Bullpen,bullpen,bullpen!!:angry: :angry:

SoxEd
07-15-2006, 04:56 PM
I also think that the team's biggest 'hole' is in the Bullpen.

As to how KW puts it right - whether it should be via the Trade route, or by bringing someone up - I honestly don't know which method would be best.

Who/what can we afford to give up in Trades, and who has good BP Pitching they'd be willing to let go?
What do we have in the Minors?

I dunno...

Lip Man 1
07-15-2006, 04:58 PM
The Sox have given Politte chances and he's getting worse and worse. Time to say thanks and goodbye.

Lip

SouthSide_HitMen
07-15-2006, 05:29 PM
Stand pat or get a set up guy if it is a reasonable deal (i.e. nothing like the Reds deal).

ShoelessJoeS
07-15-2006, 06:56 PM
The same problem that has plagued the Sox all season: Bullpen

viagracat
07-15-2006, 06:59 PM
BA has gotten it together lately. Right now I'll still say the bullpen; although I hope I don't have to change my mind to say starting pitching. :o:

Frater Perdurabo
07-15-2006, 09:26 PM
Dontrelle Willis

IlliniSox4Life
07-15-2006, 09:39 PM
Its not necessarily hate from today. I just don't think hes the guy to have as a starting CF. Over 80 plus games, he is still batting under .200. That isn't getting it done. That said, I honestly have a lot more hate for our starting pitching as of late...:angry: :angry: :angry:

Since June 11th (over a month, and 17 games for Anderson), he is batting .283

If he can keep that production up, he is fine. His average is still abismally low, but its damn near impossible to pull your average up when it was that low.

Over the last month, Anderson has been a starting centerfielder, and should keep the job.



The obvious answer to this question is bullpen help. I'm confident all the starters will pick it up, they are just slumping at the same time.

Grzegorz
07-15-2006, 09:43 PM
Pitching; a starter (realistically McCarthy) and a reliever.

Jurr
07-15-2006, 09:47 PM
You can definitely see the big difference between those that have followed baseball and those that are learning to follow baseball.

This team doesn't need an overhaul. It doesn't need Miguel Tejada, Jason Schmidt, or some other "me, me, me" malcontent. It needs a solid reliever or two to help out a little.

Just like last year...we don't need Joe Randa. We don't need Griffey. Just get a guy or two that can shut his mouth, play some ball, and get along. Get a reliever, let Brian Anderson keep on learning the position, (so that all of the dark clouds and haters can say in a year, "Brian Anderson is the greatest") and make the stretch run towards the playoffs. That's it.

markopat
07-15-2006, 09:48 PM
Middle relief/closer...Our starters will come around! Let BA play CF...

DumpJerry
07-15-2006, 09:50 PM
It's simple:
The next Geoff Blum.
He was there for us when we needed him after 1:00 a.m.:D:

buehrle4cy05
07-15-2006, 10:02 PM
Dontrelle Willis

While we're at it, can we make the team mascot a real unicorn?

ode to veeck
07-15-2006, 10:04 PM
trade 500 WSI dark clouds for one real fan

mwc44
07-15-2006, 10:22 PM
Any assistance for the bullpen would be greatly appreciated!

Chips
07-16-2006, 03:54 AM
Cut Cliff Politte, but he has already been sent down. :bandance:

Jjav829
07-16-2006, 10:06 AM
Same thing I said in one of the other "what should we do?" threads. Find a pitcher or two. If a starter who is a legitimate upgrade is available (which isn't really likely), then explore those deals. If not, the starter we need might be in our bullpen right now, so see if you can trade Vazquez or Garcia for a good reliever or two and a couple quality prospects. Then Move Bmac into the rotation and that reliever into the 8th inning role.

New reliever > Bmac as a reliever
Bmac as a starter > Vazquez

That above scenario could play out to be true and we could have two upgrades from one move.

Rob190
07-16-2006, 11:16 AM
Go out and get a utility outfielder, so we can stop putting Pablo, and Mackoviak, out in the outfield.

chefra
07-16-2006, 12:47 PM
Would KW entertain trading Javy or Freddie to the Flubs for Horry and Eyre and if so would the Flubs entertain that trade. :(:

Chips
07-16-2006, 12:49 PM
Would KW entertain trading Javy or Freddie to the Flubs for Howry and Eyre and if so would the Flubs entertain that trade. :(:

No.

chefra
07-16-2006, 12:54 PM
Chips, as I understand your answer is it possible for you to explain why?

QCIASOXFAN
07-16-2006, 01:00 PM
The more I look at this situation the more I have a feeling that Kenny might get another starter.

NardiWasHere
07-16-2006, 02:36 PM
http://www.ovaltineusa.com/images/chocFront.gif

MORE PITCHING PLEASE!

We dont' need Schmidt or anything, maybe a reliever will do it if Brandon can get the job done in the rotation....

But, no matter what happens at the deadline, this team only goes as far as MB and Jose in my opinion.

MVP
07-17-2006, 02:11 PM
We need bullpen help in the form of somebody like Roberto Hernandez, Latroy Hawkins or Joe Borowski. The starters, as bad as they've been this year so far, will turn things around yet. Our starting pitching is much better than this. Besides trading any of them now would not yield us their highest market value in return.

White Sox Randy
07-17-2006, 02:32 PM
Garcia for Schmidt

Vazquez for Gordon

No sense farting around. If you're going to trade, get someone good.

How good are we with a rotation of Contreras, Schmidt, Buehrle, Garland and McCarthy ?

And a bullpen with Jenks, Gordon, Cotts, Riske and Thornton ?

SoxEd
07-17-2006, 02:53 PM
Garcia for Schmidt

And a bullpen with Jenks, Gordon, Cotts, Riske and Thornton ?


Would 'Flash' want to come back here, or would he hold the trade to the Bronx against us?

Would he be willing to walk away from the adulation in Philadelphia to come back here?

Would he be willing to come here and NOT be our Closer?

Or do you envisage Jenks making way for him?

White Sox Randy
07-17-2006, 03:38 PM
From what I have read, Gordon would be happy to come back here and set-up for Jenks.

Supposedly, he wanted to stay before he signed with NY. But, they offered him too much to turn it down.

He's got a big contract but our window is now.

Vazquez shouldn't have any problem going to Philly. But, the Sox seem to think that he'll come around and pitch much better. I don't -but that's what I said about Contreras at this time last year. I hope I'm wrong again.

Everyone in SF seems to think that Schmidt wants to leave there. They say that he wanted to last year but the Giants picked up his option. Supposedly, he wants to go home to Seattle to play.

I don't see why they wouldn't take Garcia in trade, in that case. He is only 30 and he has been great against the NL. And, they will have him atleast another year.

I don't know if it can be done but if so....Garcia for Schmidt, Vazquez for Gordon would be all we need.


I don't think A. Jones is going anywhere and Schmidt might not either. Even if we could get Gordon for Garcia I would be happy.

kevin57
07-17-2006, 03:46 PM
I would like to see a trade for a starter. Most of our starters have put in enough of a track record to know that they'll improve from these recent doldrums, but I'm starting to (really) wonder about Garcia and Vazquez. If we could get someone decent in a straight-up trade for either, or even both, I'd go for it.

SoxEd
07-17-2006, 03:54 PM
To go back to the Vazquez issue, didn't KW someone say that he had been a target for KW (or Ozzie or Coop) for some time?

If that's true, IMO they'd be unlikely to give up on him after only half a Season.
(Although I admit that, in the quest to Repeat, no-one can be considered 'untouchable'.)

Or was that just PR 'eyewash'?

Pierzynski 12
07-17-2006, 04:01 PM
Relief pitching

Mr. White Sox
07-17-2006, 05:16 PM
as much as I would like to see this happen, I doubt it does.

Vazquez for Rafael Soriano, straight up.
Or, Freddy Garcia for Soriano and a prospect.

He'd provide easily the best RHP setup guy we could find, he's young and could even sub as a closer if Jenks were to get hurt.

Other than getting a quality RHP reliever (which actually isn't incredibly necessary), there's nothing Kenny has to do. At all. Honestly.

JB98
07-17-2006, 05:28 PM
Well????

My vote is to deal for a CF assuming Hermie will eventually make it back to the pen.

To me, the Hermanson assumption is an assumption we can't afford to make. I want another relief pitcher.

ChiSoxIn06
07-17-2006, 05:41 PM
I just read on yahoo that there is a possibility that Vernon Wells might be on the block due to the big contracts that toronto has comitted to...i dont know about you guys but i definately wouldnt mind seeing mr wells in CF in a sox uniform.

Ol' No. 2
07-17-2006, 05:48 PM
I just read on yahoo that there is a possibility that Vernon Wells might be on the block due to the big contracts that toronto has comitted to...i dont know about you guys but i definately wouldnt mind seeing mr wells in CF in a sox uniform.That makes no sense. Wells is a bargain. He's making only $4.3M this year and is due $5.6 in 2007.

y2j2785
07-17-2006, 05:56 PM
I just read on yahoo that there is a possibility that Vernon Wells might be on the block due to the big contracts that toronto has comitted to...i dont know about you guys but i definately wouldnt mind seeing mr wells in CF in a sox uniform.

Ive also read this article. It says that they have Burnett, Halladay, and Glaus signed to long term deals, but Wells only has 1 season left on his contract and may cost too much to keep.

I dont see them trading Vernon Wells in the middle of the season let alone to a playoff contender.

Chips
07-17-2006, 06:13 PM
I just read on yahoo that there is a possibility that Vernon Wells might be on the block due to the big contracts that toronto has comitted to...i dont know about you guys but i definately wouldnt mind seeing mr wells in CF in a sox uniform.

We have a centerfielder. His name is Brian Anderson.

Pierzynski 12
07-17-2006, 07:58 PM
We have a centerfielder. His name is Brian Anderson.

He's hitting .200.

Chisox003
07-17-2006, 08:05 PM
He's hitting .200.
And .300 over the last month while still playing gold glove caliber center field.

JB98
07-17-2006, 08:30 PM
And .300 over the last month while still playing gold glove caliber center field.

We've stuck with BA for this long. No reason to pull the plug now.

Chips
07-17-2006, 08:33 PM
He's hitting .200.

Have you what he done the past month? The guy is a rookie, God forbid, he took a while to find his swing.

chisoxmike
07-17-2006, 08:39 PM
Would KW entertain trading Javy or Freddie to the Flubs for Horry and Eyre and if so would the Flubs entertain that trade. :(:

I would mail in the rest of my season tickets if that happens.

This team does NOT need...

-Andruw Jones
-Miguel Tejada
-Jason Schmitt
-Ken Griffey Jr.

They need another middle relief pitcher that is serviceable and reliable

Chips
07-17-2006, 08:40 PM
I would mail in the rest of my season tickets if that happens.

Thankfully we won't have to worry about either.

chisoxmike
07-17-2006, 08:42 PM
Thankfully we won't have to worry about either.

This is true.

CubsfansareDRUNK
07-17-2006, 08:45 PM
Why the hell do most of you want a center fielder? For the last ****ing time...WE DON'T NEED HITTING. For the last ****ing time, WE NEED PITCHING.
We're ****ing hitting .288 as a team, so why do you want more offense? Makes no sense to me seeing as the pitchers who have the worst ERAs on our team are 4 of our starters.

Norberto7
07-17-2006, 08:50 PM
I voted stand pat. The Sox are going to win or lose depending on their starting pitching rotation, not just one guy in it, or much less one guy in the bullpen. How many of the last five losses can be pinned on the bullpen? Indeed, the only win in the last six can be almost totally attributed to the bullpen (& J.D.).

As far as changing the offense, forget about it. I couldn't imagine how many tens of games the Sox would be ahead of Detroit if this offense was matched up with last year's pitching. Yesterday's game...only one or two hits from the 13 or so failed RISP at bats and they may win the game. I don't know whether to be frustrated by the galling lack of execution or to know that they win 8 or 9 out of 10 times they have that many opportunites. For now, I choose the latter. It's going to be a fun series in Detroit.

soxinem1
07-17-2006, 09:20 PM
You can definitely see the big difference between those that have followed baseball and those that are learning to follow baseball.

This team doesn't need an overhaul. It doesn't need Miguel Tejada, Jason Schmidt, or some other "me, me, me" malcontent. It needs a solid reliever or two to help out a little.

Just like last year...we don't need Joe Randa. We don't need Griffey. Just get a guy or two that can shut his mouth, play some ball, and get along. Get a reliever, let Brian Anderson keep on learning the position, (so that all of the dark clouds and haters can say in a year, "Brian Anderson is the greatest") and make the stretch run towards the playoffs. That's it.

Very well said. Did I miss some thing, because they way some are talking, they must be looking at the Indians record or the 1997 Sox when they think of the White Sox thus far.

thomas35forever
07-17-2006, 10:43 PM
We need a reliever. Our rotation is bound to come back sooner or later. If it were up to me, I'd acquire Roberto Hernandez. He'd be a perfect set-up man that would give us a solid inning when we need it. An ERA of 3.10 isn't too shabby. Plus, he'd give the team a veteran presence in the clubhouse. Another member of the '93 team would get another chance to win with us. Last year, it was Frank. It can be Roberto's turn this year.