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It's Time
07-14-2006, 11:10 PM
According to unconfirmed reports, Jones called Cubs fans racists (fan reports/UNCONFIRMED) during the game because fans were calling for Dusty Baker's head. He was at the top step of the dugout and was allowed to get into it with fans, which led to those fans being ejected from the park.

This is going to get very ugly. Paul Sullivan confirmed the shouting. I swung over to the Cubs board (NSBB) and they are talking about it as well.

:o: :o:

According to Paul Sullivan, Jacque Jones used the bottom of the ninth inning to stand at the top of the steps and get into an argument with fans. They jarred back and forth until security finally escorted the fans from from Wrigley.

Sullivan was very critical of Baker and the coaching staff for allowing this to happen. He said that they had to be aware of the situation considering it was more than just a momentary exchange.


In on the field news, Todd Walker took issue with the fact that both Dusty Baker and Bob Brenly said that Walker bobbled the ball preventing a double play from occurring.

Sullivan said this is very reminiscent of the Steve Stone situation. Walker went and watched video specifically to hear Brenly's call on the play.

NOTE: Sullivan explained all of this on Chicago Tribune Live on CSN. The replay is on at 1:00am cst for those interested.

Soxfanspcu11
07-14-2006, 11:14 PM
I don't believe any of this. Not from the greatest fans in baseball! There is no way that they would do this. They care about the game too much!

I'm sure the cubune will be ripping the flubs fans for the pieces of **** that they are tommorow right??

(Do I really need teal?)

jamokes
07-14-2006, 11:16 PM
Dusty and Cub fans are out of control. I say resign Dusty for another four years, it's fun to watch!!

It's Time
07-14-2006, 11:18 PM
Dusty and Cub fans are out of control. I say resign Dusty for another four years, it's fun to watch!!

And Walker is being critical of Brenly. LMAO! WOW! Back to the subject, I can't wait for Sullivan's article. This could be a bombshell.

DrCrawdad
07-14-2006, 11:25 PM
Just went over to Grobber's blog. No mention of the incident by Grobber. What a surprise!

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Norberto7
07-14-2006, 11:29 PM
...Jones called Cubs fans racists (fan reports/UNCONFIRMED) during the game because fans were calling for Dusty Baker's head...
If true, that's by far the most ridiculous part of it. Even the Imperial Wizard would come up with ten reasons to fire Dusty Baker before race. :rolleyes:

It's Time
07-14-2006, 11:32 PM
Here are a couple of discussions on it.

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-cubs&msg=237208.1&maxT=12

http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-cubs&msg=237247.1&maxT=11

RichFitztightly
07-14-2006, 11:33 PM
I don't see this news going anywhere past this website. Perhaps a little blurb in the team's notebook section in the paper, but it'll leave out the racist tag. It'll just say, "Security had to escort people (the word fans will be conspicuously absent) from behind the Cubs dugout after they were harassing the team.

FedEx227
07-14-2006, 11:36 PM
The Louisiana Lariper is at it again... how dare the announcers actually say whats going on in the game. Don't they have any remorse!

So much for the Brenly to become manager rumors, they already hate him.

TDog
07-14-2006, 11:49 PM
Dusty and Cub fans are out of control. I say resign Dusty for another four years, it's fun to watch!!

I had to read this a couple of times before I understood you were taking about your desire for the Cubs to re-sign Baker rather than suggesting Baker resign.

Anyway, I'm guessing Baker won't want to stay with the Cubs unless he gets a big pay raise.

BadBobbyJenks
07-14-2006, 11:50 PM
Is there a link to anything with brenly? Ive been waiting for the cubs to go after the announcers....again

WSox8404
07-14-2006, 11:54 PM
Well thats what the Cubs do. When things are bad they just find a way to divert attention. Nothing new.

It's Time
07-15-2006, 12:01 AM
Sulliavan's article is out.

"LOSING TURNS UGLY"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060714cubsgamer,1,6467643.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed

It's Time
07-15-2006, 12:02 AM
Is there a link to anything with brenly? Ive been waiting for the cubs to go after the announcers....again

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060714cubsgamer,1,6467643.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed



"Greg Maddux lost his fifth straight game, Derrek Lee accused the team of looking "sluggish" and Todd Walker dragged TV analyst Bob Brenly under the bus while explaining Walker's role in a potential inning-ending double-play ball that backfired during the Mets' four-run fourth".

CaptainBallz
07-15-2006, 12:20 AM
Sulliavan's article is out.

"LOSING TURNS UGLY"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060714cubsgamer,1,6467643.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed


The incident ended with two men ejected to loud applause from fans in the box seats, and an ovation for security for tossing them out.


Yes, the amazing fans were overjoyed when these...these "men" were ejected from the park. Let's hear it for those great Cubbie fans for not tolerating such nonsense from random "men".

CubsfansareDRUNK
07-15-2006, 12:20 AM
Wow...This is so awesome

CLR01
07-15-2006, 12:52 AM
I don't believe any of this. Not from the greatest fans in baseball! There is no way that they would do this. They care about the game too much!

I'm sure the cubune will be ripping the flubs fans for the pieces of **** that they are tommorow right??

(Do I really need teal?)

Why should they rip the fans? I don't see how what they did is so wrong (you know unless they were literally calling for his head, that might be going to far).

vegyrex
07-15-2006, 01:14 AM
Just went over to Grobber's blog. No mention of the incident by Grobber. What a surprise!

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That's Grobber for ya. :D:

Soxfanspcu11
07-15-2006, 01:18 AM
Why should they rip the fans? I don't see how what they did is so wrong (you know unless they were literally calling for his head, that might be going to far).

The article said that they were using racist slurs. If that's true, then they really should be ripping the fans, IMHO.

And let's not forget, had this happened at our park, we would not hear the end of how we were the worst fans in baseball.:rolleyes:

itsnotrequired
07-15-2006, 01:44 AM
http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=33784

CLR01
07-15-2006, 01:49 AM
The article said that they were using racist slurs. If that's true, then they really should be ripping the fans, IMHO.


Which article? Sullivan's didn't say that. The first post in this thread said Jones called the fans heckling Dusty racist but did not mention what they said. If they were indeed dropping the racial slurs then yes the deserve to be ripped.

chaerulez
07-15-2006, 03:14 AM
Which article? Sullivan's didn't say that. The first post in this thread said Jones called the fans heckling Dusty racist but did not mention what they said. If they were indeed dropping the racial slurs then yes the deserve to be ripped.

Yes, unless it's proven that the fans were being racist (and if that is the case then of course they should be ripped), but otherwise Jones is just being an ass. As for Walker, the guy is a complete tool. I once heard him on the Score say that he isn't bad on defense and that it was Tom Kelly that "labeled" that on him. No Todd, how about you just suck at defense?

SoxandtheCityTee
07-15-2006, 08:39 AM
As for Walker, the guy is a complete tool. I once heard him on the Score say that he isn't bad on defense and that it was Tom Kelly that "labeled" that on him. No Todd, how about you just suck at defense?

Great quote from Walker in Kiley's game recap in the ST today: "Other teams make mistakes, but they're able to hide them." Umm, did you mean "play over them," Todd? His point was that one mistake just kills the Cubs, and on that he's right, the poor wretch.

Really, at this point it's such a train wreck I feel I have to look away. Just as well too, as I don't want to be accused of Flubsession. :wink:

I'm giving Jones a pass for now until the racist angle is confirmed, if ever. I recall there were reports on the radio earlier this year of slurs being dropped on him from the bleachers. If so, Jones may have finally snapped.

SOXSINCE'70
07-15-2006, 09:43 AM
And Walker is being critical of Brenly. LMAO!

It kind of reminds me of 2004.The sCrUBS had a large lead in the
WC race,only to be swept in a 4 game set by the Astros at the
Urinal.That was when the whole Michelle Barrett/Roy Oswalt
bruhaha broke out. Barrett complained about Stone and Chimp
Caray being too critical of the team,IIRC.That same season,
Todd Walker complained that sCrUBS players didn't have cute
nicknames like the Sox:?: :?: .

Makes me wonder who's running the asylum.

Baby Fisk
07-15-2006, 10:27 AM
Wow, what a train wreck.

jdm2662
07-15-2006, 11:06 AM
If it's proven there were racial slurs used, then Jones has a legit gripe. Otherwise, he's just being an ass (and, it wouldn't be the first time that's happened). There is no way of knowing unless someone has audio available to prove it.

SBSoxFan
07-15-2006, 11:33 AM
If it's proven there were racial slurs used, then Jones has a legit gripe. Otherwise, he's just being an ass (and, it wouldn't be the first time that's happened). There is no way of knowing unless someone has audio available to prove it.

He's being an ass anyway. If there's a legitimate problem with fans, beyond regular heckling, all the team needs to do is tell security, and let them handle it.

Grobber33
07-15-2006, 06:51 PM
Just went over to Grobber's blog. No mention of the incident by Grobber. What a surprise!

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Gimme a break Doc!!! When the story was posted,,we didn't have all the facts. I dont make stuff up. Also,,I was working on the difference of oppinion between Dusty and Todd Walker on the botched DP play and about Todd talking exception with Brenly's account of it.
ALSO---I ignored completely the brawl in the stands right below the Press Box during the White Sox-Boston series last week(And it was a doosy!!).Go to my site and pull up last Friday and Saturday's game stories if you don't believe me!
As for any racist comments,,,sadly they occur in ALL Ballparks,,,and anyone responsible should be tossed out on their ears!!!!

MarySwiss
07-15-2006, 07:24 PM
Gimme a break Doc!!! When the story was posted,,we didn't have all the facts. I dont make stuff up. Also,,I was working on the difference of oppinion between Dusty and Todd Walker on the botched DP play and about Todd talking exception with Brenly's account of it.
ALSO---I ignored completely the brawl in the stands right below the Press Box during the White Sox-Boston series last week(And it was a doosy!!).Go to my site and pull up last Friday and Saturday's game stories if you don't believe me!
As for any racist comments,,,sadly they occur in ALL Ballparks,,,and anyone responsible should be tossed out on their ears!!!!

Well, I am confused, Les. You ignored it completely, but it's on your Web site?

I agree that a writer should have all the facts before posting an opinion, and I respect the fact that you didn't address the issue before all the facts were in, re the Jacque Jones vs. fans clash. Hopefully, once all the facts are in, you'll address it.

Brian26
07-16-2006, 10:53 AM
and about Todd talking exception with Brenly's account of it.

It's a joke that this is an issue again after what went down in 2004. The televisions should have been removed from the clubhouse after that season. Unbelievable.

Why are the scrubs the only team that can't get along with its announcers?

The Critic
07-16-2006, 11:46 AM
It's a joke that this is an issue again after what went down in 2004. The televisions should have been removed from the clubhouse after that season. Unbelievable.

Why are the scrubs the only team that can't get along with its announcers?

Because they don't hear any criticism from the manager, so they expect to hear none from anyone else.

Grobber33
07-16-2006, 12:50 PM
Well, I am confused, Les. You ignored it completely, but it's on your Web site?

I agree that a writer should have all the facts before posting an opinion, and I respect the fact that you didn't address the issue before all the facts were in, re the Jacque Jones vs. fans clash. Hopefully, once all the facts are in, you'll address it.

First up,,,no it's NOT on my site. I will address this issue in my Monday rants coll um tomorrow. I did address the idiots that tossed garbage on the field after Pierzynski's homer a couple of Saturday's ago and ripped them. I didn't hear anything from my good Friend 'Doc' about that. Nobody can have it both ways. Doc wants media only to rip on all things Cubs and not rip on anything Sox. Maybe that happens here on WSI but not on my site!! If the Cubs(whom I picked 5th in March when most thought I was crazy)or Cub Fans do bad stuff,,I'll rip them a new one. But I'll do that with the Sox,,Bulls,,Bears,,and heaven forbid the Hawks also as well as any of their Fans IF I think they have it coming.
When I was on the Score(and boy does that seem like more than the 5 years ago since),I trashed Wrigley Fans plenty for running on the field(mostly in 1999)and tossing garbage. That said,if anyone says anything about Sox Fans heaven forbid,,,they will hear from some here that cant handle it.
There was a large fight late in last week's Sat Sox-Bos game below the Press Box that involved lots of Sox security(who did a great job BTW),and I ignored it.My thinking is,to try and not encourage 'copy cats' by giving publicity to idiots who clearly were drunk. Those that were engaging Jacque Jones,,it appears,were tossed and the legit Fans around cheered Cub security when they hauled the goofs out!!
As for taking TV's out of the Cubs Clubhouse----just think about how quickly Donnie Fehr,Gene Orza and their 'Union' boys would be on that!! Bad teams find other things to whine about like Mercker,Remlinger,Alou and others did. Broadcasters are paid to broadcast and Players are paid to play---which most Cubs have clearly not done the past few years!! Does it pi.. me off? You bet,,,but there is nothing that can be done other than the Cubs unload players that do that which they did after 2004. Heck,,when David Wells was a tool with the Sox in 2002,,they did'nt hesitate to let him go elsewhere!!

MarySwiss
07-16-2006, 01:01 PM
First up,,,no it's NOT on my site. I will address this issue in my Monday rants coll um tomorrow. I did address the idiots that tossed garbage on the field after Pierzynski's homer a couple of Saturday's ago and ripped them. I didn't hear anything from my good Friend 'Doc' about that. Nobody can have it both ways. Doc wants media only to rip on all things Cubs and not rip on anything Sox. Maybe that happens here on WSI but not on my site!! If the Cubs(whom I picked 5th in March when most thought I was crazy)or Cub Fans do bad stuff,,I'll rip them a new one. But I'll do that with the Sox,,Bulls,,Bears,,and heaven forbid the Hawks also as well as any of their Fans IF I think they have it coming.
When I was on the Score(and boy does that seem like more than the 5 years ago since),I trashed Wrigley Fans plenty for running on the field(mostly in 1999)and tossing garbage. That said,if anyone says anything about Sox Fans heaven forbid,,,they will hear from some here that cant handle it.
There was a large fight late in last week's Sat Sox-Bos game below the Press Box that involved lots of Sox security(who did a great job BTW),and I ignored it.My thinking is,to try and not encourage 'copy cats' by giving publicity to idiots who clearly were drunk. Those that were engaging Jacque Jones,,it appears,were tossed and the legit Fans around cheered Cub security when they hauled the goofs out!!
As for taking TV's out of the Cubs Clubhouse----just think about how quickly Donnie Fehr,Gene Orza and their 'Union' boys would be on that!! Bad teams find other things to whine about like Mercker,Remlinger,Alou and others did. Broadcasters are paid to broadcast and Players are paid to play---which most Cubs have clearly not done the past few years!! Does it pi.. me off? You bet,,,but there is nothing that can be done other than the Cubs unload players that do that which they did after 2004. Heck,,when David Wells was a tool with the Sox in 2002,,they did'nt hesitate to let him go elsewhere!!

Sorry, Les; my bad. Apparently I misinterpreted your post. When you saidI ignored completely the brawl in the stands right below the Press Box during the White Sox-Boston series last week(And it was a doosy!!).Go to my site and pull up last Friday and Saturday's game stories if you don't believe me!, I took that to mean it was mentioned on your site, because why would you send someone to look at something that wasn't there?

Thanks for clarifying.

Grobber33
07-16-2006, 01:16 PM
Sorry, Les; my bad. Apparently I misinterpreted your post. When you said, I took that to mean it was mentioned on your site, because why would you send someone to look at something that wasn't there?

Thanks for clarifying.

No sweat! i often have to say 'MY BAD' about ten times a week---at least(LOL)!!!

SoxFanPrope
07-16-2006, 02:32 PM
Dusty and Cub fans are out of control. I say resign Dusty for another four years, it's fun to watch!!
My brother is a Cubs fan, and he can't take it anymore. He turned in his card, and is walking away from the team. I asked him why, his exact words were, "The whole organization goes out of their way to make me feel stupid." He's given up on them. I asked him what team he'll root for, and he said he didn't want to root for the Sox because he didn't want to be a bandwagon jumper - so he'll stick it out with the Phillies for the rest of the season.

Green
07-16-2006, 02:48 PM
Not sure if it means anything, but both Jacque Jones and Todd Walker sat out yesterday. I'm guessing it has to do with this whole weird situation.

Brian26
07-16-2006, 05:05 PM
Coppock was on AM 1000 this last week and mentioned that he had sent Giangreco down to the lockerroom sometime in the 8th inning on that fateful day because he thought Elia was going to pop. He claims Giangreco walked in on the tail end of the conversation and was able to get half of it on tape. Aren't you the only one who possess a full tape of that incident though?

TornLabrum
07-16-2006, 05:10 PM
Coppock was on AM 1000 this last week and mentioned that he had sent Giangreco down to the lockerroom sometime in the 8th inning on that fateful day because he thought Elia was going to pop. He claims Giangreco walked in on the tail end of the conversation and was able to get half of it on tape. Aren't you the only one who possess a full tape of that incident though?

Grobber was on the air a few months ago saying that he was the only one in the Cubs locker room when Elia went on his tirade. He was on his way out when the other reporters were coming in. I'm sure Grobber will fill in the rest of the details, but he's the only one who taped the entire incident.

Grobber33
07-16-2006, 05:27 PM
Yes,,during the first few minutes of Elia's tirade,,,I had the only mic in there(which he saw and knew about).The other three people in there at that time were all writers(Robert Marcus of the Trib,Joel Behrig of the S.Times and Don Friske of the D.Herald). Most others went to the Dodgers Clubhouse 1st to chat with Buffalo Grove native Mike Marshall who made his Wrigley debut.I also had a hunch it would serve me better to go to Elia 1st,tho I never could have guessed what we were going to hear!
In following months,he said he did'nt hold anything against me and that he knew I was just doing my job--afterall,the writers were going to print it,and since I had the tape,,the Cubs got Elia to listen an hour later and call a quick news conf so he could apologize. Had this festered overnite in the papers only,,Dallas Green would have had to wack him then. Instead,Elia lasted 4 more months and was canned in Aug--not because of the tirade,but because the team was free-falling.
Last week,he seemed to have changed his tune when he told George Castle that I had papers covering up my recorder and he never knew he was being recorded. That's a g-- da--- lie!!! He knew! My how stories get twisted in 23 years time!!!
I have two funny bleeped out versions on www.grobber.com (http://www.grobber.com) in the multi media sound vault. One with Lee and Lasorda!!
One last thing,,,,,,I have to laugh when people say "Grobstein got Elia fired!". Yeah right,,,,,like I have the power to get a Big League Manager fired! I could'nt even do that with Bevington(after 1996---he lasted for the 1997 fiasco season).

Brian26
07-16-2006, 06:22 PM
In following months,he said he did'nt hold anything against me and that he knew I was just doing my job--afterall,the writers were going to print it,and since I had the tape,,the Cubs got Elia to listen an hour later and call a quick news conf so he could apologize. Had this festered overnite in the papers only,,Dallas Green would have had to wack him then.

So not only did you not get him fired, but you actually may have saved his job for a couple of months. You're saying since the Cubs heard the tape immediately, the news conference was called and the quick apology served enough goodwill that he was able to stay on. But, if the writers would have gone to print that night w/out the apology, he would have been fired the next day?

So Giangreco was nowhere to be found though?

Coppock also mentioned that he saw Elia out at a bar that night drinking heavily with Jay Johnstone, and Elia looked like he knew he was gone.