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Viva Medias B's
07-14-2006, 08:53 PM
Well, we came up just a bit short. However, I liked how we came back which I hope gives us momentum into Saturday's game.

DSpivack
07-14-2006, 08:53 PM
...And the streak is over. :whiner:

slobes
07-14-2006, 08:54 PM
After AJ battled for so long I was sure we were gonna tie it up.

Get em tomorrow.

Joosh
07-14-2006, 08:54 PM
Ozzie really pissed me off when he pulled McCarthy after one batter.

He lost this game.

goon
07-14-2006, 08:54 PM
...And the streak is over. :whiner:

meh.

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 08:54 PM
I want the game tomorrow. Sending out Mark, I like our chances.

Note: McCarthy can actually face more than 1 batter Oz.

AJ battled like hell and Im proud of the team. Ozzie micro-managed in my view.

Soxfanspcu11
07-14-2006, 08:54 PM
So whats the deal? Did we get JC off the hook?? I think so right?? Because the earned run that was the difference wasn't his. Or am I wrong?

Anyone? Anyone?

Bueller?

Fake Chet Lemon
07-14-2006, 08:54 PM
I was stunned when McCarthy got the hook after that huge strike out!!??!! Man I hope Buehrle doesn't have one of his 9-run specials tomorrow. Wild Card lead down to what, 5 games? We need the next two!

JB98
07-14-2006, 08:54 PM
Well, we came up just a bit short. However, I liked how we came back which I hope gives us momentum into Saturday's game.

That two-out double by Damon to knock in the sixth run looks pretty big now, doesn't it? Like I said in the game thread, you can get one or two off Rivera. But three is a tough order. Nice effort, but there are no moral victories in a tight pennant race.

Jose's streak ends. It was quite a run.

JB98
07-14-2006, 08:55 PM
So whats the deal? Did we get JC off the hook?? I think so right?? Because the earned run that was the difference wasn't his. Or am I wrong?

Anyone? Anyone?

Bueller?

Jose gets the loss. The go-ahead run was charged to him, and we never came back to tie the score.

dcb56
07-14-2006, 08:55 PM
Nothing is more frustrating than watching the bullpen issue walks... :angry:

buehrle4cy05
07-14-2006, 08:55 PM
So whats the deal? Did we get JC off the hook?? I think so right?? Because the earned run that was the difference wasn't his. Or am I wrong?

Anyone? Anyone?

Bueller?

Jose took the loss because A-Rod scored the go-ahead run.

Even though we didn't come back, 2 runs off Rivera is nothing to sneeze at. I think the momentum carries over and we win tommorow.

soltrain21
07-14-2006, 08:56 PM
So whats the deal? Did we get JC off the hook?? I think so right?? Because the earned run that was the difference wasn't his. Or am I wrong?

Anyone? Anyone?

Bueller?


No, he still gets the loss.


Good game. You can say Ozzie "lost" us the game or whatever, but Cotts left a few cookies out there.



meh. go royals.

RadioheadRocks
07-14-2006, 08:56 PM
Anyway, we got a good look at Mariano for the rest of the series if we have to see him, which is always good. And I believe we got Jose off the hook yet again huh? Someone let me know if Im right on that



Game thread closed while I was responding to this, so I'm posting it here. Anyway Jose still gets the loss because he was responsible for the baserunner who scored the Yanks' lead (and eventual game winning) run.

LongLiveFisk
07-14-2006, 08:56 PM
So whats the deal? Did we get JC off the hook?? I think so right?? Because the earned run that was the difference wasn't his. Or am I wrong?

Anyone? Anyone?

Bueller?

Doesn't matter-once you give up the lead and your team can't at least tie it up, you get the loss.

The Racehorse
07-14-2006, 08:57 PM
... JC will have to start another streak...

102605
07-14-2006, 08:57 PM
Why did Crede leave the game? He wasn't hurt or anything was he?

RadioheadRocks
07-14-2006, 08:57 PM
Doesn't matter-once you give up the lead and your team can't at least tie it up, you get the loss.


Like Joan would say, "Doesn't matter, doesn't matter..."

HotelWhiteSox
07-14-2006, 08:57 PM
I don't get why you don't start Pods and/or Pierzynski, screw the R/L stats, this is a likely playoff contender and it is very possible you'll see Randy Johnson, the more experience the better. Plus throw in a hurting Pablo, eh.

SoxandtheCityTee
07-14-2006, 08:57 PM
I wish that Clutch Crede hadn't been HBP and could have hit instead of Pods.

Oh well, we gave the immortal Mariano a scare. Get them tomorrow.

slobes
07-14-2006, 08:58 PM
...And the streak is over. :whiner:
I think this was a pretty ove streak. I'm as disappointed as the next guy that it ended, but during the past couple weeks of the streak he didn't pitch that well. Still though, sad to see it end.

paciorek1983
07-14-2006, 08:58 PM
I hate when we lose, but I enjoyed the end of the game. As a lifelong Sox fan, I've always been frustrated by the Yankees. This is one of the first times watching that I didn't feel the intimidation of Yankee Stadium.

A loss is a loss, but I know the Yanks are no better than us.

DeadMoney
07-14-2006, 08:58 PM
Ozzie really pissed me off when he pulled McCarthy after one batter.

He lost this game.

Ding Ding Ding. I'll add that letting Contreras even begin the 8th was a mistake.

DSpivack
07-14-2006, 08:58 PM
Why did Crede leave the game? He wasn't hurt or anything was he?

Precautionary after HBP.

Soxfanspcu11
07-14-2006, 08:59 PM
Jose gets the loss. The go-ahead run was charged to him, and we never came back to tie the score.

Right. Okay, thanks. Thanks to everyone actually who responded and cleared that up, I wasn't sure.

Oh well, like I said in game thread, now Jose doesn't have that streak hanging over his head and can just go out there and pitch.

Also like I said in the game thread, I am predicting a no-no for Jose his next time out!

What is it with New York and the affects it has on Neal and Jose?? They get there and just can't either perform or don't get the breaks.:angry:

MrX
07-14-2006, 08:59 PM
McCarthy looked fired up after that strikeout.

That whole bottom of the 8th was just poorly managed. I am so sick of seeing him leave the starter in and then pull him if the first batter gets on.

goon
07-14-2006, 08:59 PM
**** The Royals.

Brian26
07-14-2006, 09:01 PM
I was trying to figure out what happened...Gameday doesn't show ARod's duck snort hit to start the 8th.

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 09:01 PM
A loss is a loss, but I know the Yanks are no better than us.

We lost to Kansas City this year. Not only are the Yankees no better than us, they are not as good as us.

The umping was a joke tonight and McCarthy should have been allowed to pitch to a freaking 8 and 9 hitter considering he proved he could get Ortiz and Manny Ramirez out last Sunday.

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 09:02 PM
Detroit ties up KC...

DSpivack
07-14-2006, 09:02 PM
Detroit ties up KC...

Talking Baseball.

oeo
07-14-2006, 09:03 PM
We lost to Kansas City this year. Not only are the Yankees no better than us, they are not as good as us.

The umping was a joke tonight and McCarthy should have been allowed to pitch to a freaking 8 and 9 hitter considering he proved he could get Ortiz and Manny Ramirez out last Sunday.

Bingo. It was a good thing Johnson had a massive strikezone, while Jose was getting squeezed. Thornton did, as well. Two of those "balls" were strikes, but whatever...go get them tomorrow. They'll come out with fire tomorrow, I'm feeling a blowout.

Rob190
07-14-2006, 09:03 PM
If you let the other team load the bases enough, eventually it will come back to haunt you.

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 09:04 PM
Detroit ties it up on .... get this....

Another KC error.

Grzegorz
07-14-2006, 09:04 PM
McCarthy looked fired up after that strikeout.

That whole bottom of the 8th was just poorly managed. I am so sick of seeing him leave the starter in and then pull him if the first batter gets on.

He sure did... I thought the White Sox may have pulled this one out. McCarthy been a very solid reliever of late; I'd love to see what he could do as a starter.

Green
07-14-2006, 09:04 PM
Anyone wonder why Rivera pitched to AJ? I find it strange that he wouldn't want to pitch to Brian.

Kwrubac
07-14-2006, 09:04 PM
**** The Royals.

Can they not hold a lead against the Tigers...UGH I need a beer...:angry:

peeonwrigley
07-14-2006, 09:05 PM
Strike zone sucked.

Sending Jose out to start the 8th sucked.

Micromanaging the relievers sucked.

Comeback was nice to see, even if it fell short. Get these ****ers tomorrow.

JB98
07-14-2006, 09:05 PM
Anyone wonder why Rivera pitched to AJ? I find it strange that he wouldn't want to pitch to Brian.

They don't want to walk the go-ahead run on to the bases. Then an extra-base hit not only ties you, it beats you. And Mackowiak would have hit for BA had it come to that.

RadioheadRocks
07-14-2006, 09:06 PM
Can they not hold a lead against the Tigers...UGH I need a beer...:angry:

The Royals suck ass... that's been established.

viagracat
07-14-2006, 09:06 PM
That pitch to Posada in the 4th was a strike. Runge called it a ball, which was bull****. Changed the at-bat. I thought Thome got hosed, too, on a couple of calls. No, the umpire didn't cost us the game, but he pissed me off enough to get into a shouting match with a Yankee fan buddy when we were watching the game together tonight.

I guess Crede was hurting a little after he got hit by the pitch; that's why Ozuna replaced him at third. I initially thought it strange that Podsednik didn't pinch-hit for him in the 8th when Farnsworth was in.

Buehrle vs Messina tomorrow. Should be good. Go Sox.

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 09:07 PM
Anyone wonder why Rivera pitched to AJ? I find it strange that he wouldn't want to pitch to Brian.

I believe Rivera is actually tougher on lefties than on righties. He puts that cutter up under a lefties armpit and they can't do crap with it.

AJ missed one over the plate, battled like a man, and then did the best most can do...fly out harmlessly to right.

slobes
07-14-2006, 09:07 PM
They don't want to walk the go-ahead run on to the bases. Then an extra-base hit not only ties you, it beats you. And Mackowiak would have hit for BA had it come to that.

That, and Rivera eats up lefties for breakfast. I heard some switch hitters go righty against him because he's so tough.

CLR01
07-14-2006, 09:08 PM
Take the kitten scoreboard watching to the thread in the talking baseball forum.

SOXSINCE'70
07-14-2006, 09:09 PM
I think the momentum carries over and we win tommorow.

The Sox better bring their "A" game against Mussina.
He's the Yankees' "ace":rolleyes: with his 3.24 ERA.Buehrle
can't afford another multi run meltdown.

viagracat
07-14-2006, 09:09 PM
That, and Rivera eats up lefties for breakfast. I heard some switch hitters go righty against him because he's so tough.

Lefties were hitting .188 vs Rivera before tonight...:o:

CaptainBallz
07-14-2006, 09:10 PM
Eh, a fighting loss...

I missed the McCarthy outing. What the crap is with trucking out reliever after reliever when it's been KNOWN that they're spotty. if McCarthy's dealin', leave him in!!:angry:

Way to see the gusto in the top of the ninth.

JB98
07-14-2006, 09:10 PM
That, and Rivera eats up lefties for breakfast. I heard some switch hitters go righty against him because he's so tough.

Correct. I actually thought AJ gave Rivera hell. He just couldn't find a way to get it done.

ndgt10
07-14-2006, 09:10 PM
The Sox better bring their "A" game against Mussina.
He's the Yankees' "ace":rolleyes: with his 3.24 ERA.Buehrle
can't afford another multi run meltdown.

Laugh all you want at the Yankee's pitching, but they have a better team ERA than we do.

SOXSINCE'70
07-14-2006, 09:15 PM
Laugh all you want at the Yankee's pitching, but they have a better team ERA than we do.

I'm not laughing.

MERPER
07-14-2006, 09:16 PM
I have a bad feeling Buehrle is gonna get lit up tomorrow... I hate to break this to everyone but if our pitching (starters and bullpen) don't get their heads out of their asses fast we are in a lot of trouble... assuming detroit completes their comeback...... 3.5 back

Lip Man 1
07-14-2006, 09:16 PM
Aaron Guiel? Is that someone's idea of a friggin' joke?

Better bullpen work tonight and they may have had a shot at this one.

Oh well, maybe the damn Royals will actually win a game against Detroit for a change.

Lip

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 09:17 PM
I have a bad feeling Buehrle is gonna get lit up tomorrow... I hate to break this to everyone but if our pitching (starters and bullpen) don't get their heads out of their asses fast we are in a lot of trouble... assuming detroit completes their comeback...... 3.5 back

Funny thing is, I have a good feeling about Buehrle...he is way overdue and we need him to come up big.

He is in a lefty-pitchers yard on a big stage...we'll be fine.

rookie
07-14-2006, 09:19 PM
I loved the way they came back and all. I just wish that since they got three straight hits off of Rivera, why we couldn't do that againist Farnsworth. It'd be nice if they could get that adrenaline going a little bit sooner.

RadioheadRocks
07-14-2006, 09:19 PM
Funny thing is, I have a good feeling about Buehrle...he is way overdue and we need him to come up big.

He is in a lefty-pitchers yard on a big stage...we'll be fine.

Plus AJ will be catching him. Didn't Widger catch both of Buehrle's losses?

Green
07-14-2006, 09:20 PM
Plus AJ will be catching him. Didn't Widger catch both of Buehrle's losses?

Widger catches every loss :o:

Sure seems that way anyway.

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 09:20 PM
Plus AJ will be catching him. Didn't Widger catch both of Buehrle's losses?

He has like 6 losses....He did not pitch great in the 1st half, especially the 2nd half of the first half...

Mark has our 2nd best starting era and its still over 4.00

If all that does not change we are in trouble. But, I think it will change.

RadioheadRocks
07-14-2006, 09:21 PM
He has like 6 losses....He did not pitch great in the 1st half, especially the 2nd half of the first half...

Mark has our 2nd best starting era and its still over 4.00

If all that does not change we are in trouble. But, I think it will change.

Check that... I actually meant both of Buehrle's last two losses... sorry 'bout that! :redface:

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 09:25 PM
Looks like we'll be 3.5 out tomorrow. Detroit has now completed the comeback. Unreal.

delben91
07-14-2006, 09:25 PM
If all that does not change we are in trouble. But, I think it will change.

Hope you're right.

Grzegorz
07-14-2006, 09:26 PM
Until Buehrle turns it around and strings together some solid outings I'll continue to be cautiously optimistic when he takes the mound.

Law11
07-14-2006, 09:28 PM
Whats making me nervous is going into Detroit 4-5 down. And thats possible.
Mussina is going to be tough tomorrow. lets just hope MB is on from the start.

Fake Chet Lemon
07-14-2006, 09:29 PM
Looks like we'll be 3.5 out tomorrow. Detroit has now completed the comeback. Unreal.

That sucks, especially after we had a 2-0 lead with our friggin ace on the mound. Yankee boards are gloating about how they blew Contreras's streak. I'm sooo aggravated.

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 09:32 PM
That sucks, especially after we had a 2-0 lead with our friggin ace on the mound. Yankee boards are gloating about how they blew Contreras's streak. I'm sooo aggravated.

Let them gloat. The Sox may not make the World Series, but that bunch won't either.

It's either us, Boston, or Motown in my view.

JUribe1989
07-14-2006, 09:37 PM
Get rid of Vazquez and get bullpen help NOW!

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 09:39 PM
Get rid of Vazquez and get bullpen help NOW!


I agree, but wait until he pitches a good game where he actually goes more than 6 innings. Then deal the guy and put the rightful pitcher into the rotation.

Vazquez would be 5-10 on a team who couldn't score runs like us.

Viva Medias B's
07-14-2006, 09:40 PM
Let them gloat. The Sox may not make the World Series, but that bunch won't either.

It's either us, Boston, or Motown in my view.

We'll be in the playoffs; they will watch us in the playoffs from home.

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 09:48 PM
Just a FYI....Check out KC/Detroit...things over there are getting interesting again. 3.5 is not official yet.

A. Cavatica
07-14-2006, 09:49 PM
Just a FYI....Check out KC/Detroit...things over there are getting interesting again. 3.5 is not official yet.

How many warnings do you need?

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 09:52 PM
How many warnings do you need?

Hehe...Touche'.

KC had lead run on 3rd and Sanders K'd on 3 pitches.

CLR01
07-14-2006, 09:52 PM
How many warnings do you need?

Warnings apparently don't work with him. A few days off should send the message.

BadBobbyJenks
07-14-2006, 09:54 PM
Get rid of Vazquez and get bullpen help NOW!


finally a dark cloud on the pen.....took you long enough.



Damn (before tonight) thornton and his 3.13 era and cotts' 2.95...lets trade a starter for a middle reliever, thats the smartest thing I have ever heard

CLR01
07-14-2006, 09:57 PM
Get rid of Vazquez and get bullpen help NOW!
How does taking McCarthy out of the bullpen and replacing him with someone else help the bullpen?

BadBobbyJenks
07-14-2006, 09:59 PM
How does taking McCarthy out of the bullpen and replacing him with someone else help the bullpen?

amen:thumbsup:

LongLiveFisk
07-14-2006, 10:24 PM
That sucks, especially after we had a 2-0 lead with our friggin ace on the mound. Yankee boards are gloating about how they blew Contreras's streak. I'm sooo aggravated.

Well I'm sure the fact that he's a former Yankee just gave them that much more satisfaction.

(Not that they would have refrained from gloating had it been anyone else who was NOT a former Yankee.)

southsideirish71
07-14-2006, 10:25 PM
Jose Contreras took his first loss since last August after giving up four runs in seven-plus innings against the Yankees on Friday.
Ozzie Guillen deserves a lot of the credit. How is it that Contreras was fine to start the eighth in a 3-3 game but wasn't good enough to continue after allowing a single to one of the game's best hitters in Alex Rodriguez? Especially when Matt Thornton was the alternative. Sure, Thornton has had a fine season, but with a pair of patient switch-hitters due up, it was a terrible time to put him in. Jorge Posada singled and Bernie Williams walked to load the bases. Brandon McCarthy took over and got a strikeout of Andy Phillips. However, that just brought another pitching change, and Neal Cotts allowed the Yankees to clear the bases. It was overmanaging at its worst. Contreras is 9-1 with a 3.48 ERA. Jul. 14 - 10:47 pm etc

Here is rotoworlds take.

CubsfansareDRUNK
07-14-2006, 10:27 PM
well that sucked

MrX
07-14-2006, 10:30 PM
However, that just brought another pitching change, and Neal Cotts allowed the Yankees to clear the bases. It would have been worse if not for Gooch's play on that grounder in right field that HGH boy hit.

CaptainBallz
07-14-2006, 10:34 PM
Jose Contreras took his first loss since last August after giving up four runs in seven-plus innings against the Yankees on Friday.
Ozzie Guillen deserves a lot of the credit. How is it that Contreras was fine to start the eighth in a 3-3 game but wasn't good enough to continue after allowing a single to one of the game's best hitters in Alex Rodriguez? Especially when Matt Thornton was the alternative. Sure, Thornton has had a fine season, but with a pair of patient switch-hitters due up, it was a terrible time to put him in. Jorge Posada singled and Bernie Williams walked to load the bases. Brandon McCarthy took over and got a strikeout of Andy Phillips. However, that just brought another pitching change, and Neal Cotts allowed the Yankees to clear the bases. It was overmanaging at its worst. Contreras is 9-1 with a 3.48 ERA. Jul. 14 - 10:47 pm etc

It was that obvious, huh?

It's not something we haven't seen before out of the Oz, but these little chess matches usually don't end up in the Sox favor.

FarWestChicago
07-14-2006, 10:36 PM
It was that obvious, huh?

It's not something we haven't seen before out of the Oz, but these little chess matches usually don't end up in the Sox favor.When somebody pays you ten cents to manage anything, get back to me. :rolleyes:

CaptainBallz
07-14-2006, 10:46 PM
When somebody pays you ten cents to manage anything, get back to me. :rolleyes:

Sure 'nuff, boss.

So, you're saying it wasn't a possible mismanagement of the pitching tonight?

DeadMoney
07-14-2006, 10:50 PM
Widger catches every loss :o:

Sure seems that way anyway.

I would say it's the combination of losing AJ's bat (and good average) in the lineup and Widger's poor catching (not going after hitters - or inside). More recently Widger's been better behind the plate, and by no means am I suggesting tonight was his fault (I actually thought he called a great game tonight), but losing AJ's bat from the lineup is a big loss.

But that's just what I think.

JB98
07-14-2006, 10:54 PM
Get rid of Vazquez and get bullpen help NOW!

I disagree. Our bullpen was great in the 19-inning win over Boston. I would like another right-handed arm down there, but not at the expense of Vazquez.

I don't even like Javier, but I think it's a mistake for a contending team to trade starting pitching.

JB98
07-14-2006, 10:55 PM
I would say it's the combination of losing AJ's bat (and good average) in the lineup and Widger's poor catching (not going after hitters - or inside). More recently Widger's been better behind the plate, and by no means am I suggesting tonight was his fault (I actually thought he called a great game tonight), but losing AJ's bat from the lineup is a big loss.

But that's just what I think.

Thing is, I don't think AJ would have done a damn thing offensively against RJ. Left-handed hitters generally look overmatched against Johnson. Thome took some ugly swings tonight. Do you think AJ could have done better? Probably not.

SoxSpeed22
07-14-2006, 11:10 PM
The streak was BS in the first place because he lost in the playoffs. Yeah, I know that people are probably gonna quote me saying that "it's regular season though." I say 'streak, schmeak.' Win all the games you can.
The thing that really bothered me was how Jose was not getting hit hard until the 6th. All of those hits were duck snorts.

ohiosoxfan12
07-14-2006, 11:18 PM
I hate the Detriot Tigers!:gulp:

whitesoxfan1986
07-14-2006, 11:24 PM
Get rid of Vazquez and get bullpen help NOW!
I disagree. If anyone is to go from our starting rotation it is Garcia. He doesn't have it anymore. It could be deadarm, but if it isn't then he'll be out of the league in a a year or two. Deal Garcia while we can get something for him. Also, dealing Vazquez after just a half season would be admitting that we made a HUGE mistake by dealing 2 players and 1 uber prospect for him. Remember how long it took Coop to get through to Contreras? Give Javy some more time for petes sake. If we deal a starter, we should get a solid/great bullpen guy AND a few prospects including AT LEAST ONE A level guy. If I deal any starter, it would be Freddy.

DeadMoney
07-14-2006, 11:49 PM
Thing is, I don't think AJ would have done a damn thing offensively against RJ. Left-handed hitters generally look overmatched against Johnson. Thome took some ugly swings tonight. Do you think AJ could have done better? Probably not.

Better then 0 for 3, when he has a .320 average for the year? We'll never know for sure, but my reference was more of an OVERALL comparison. And again, it goes back to AJ NOT being able to play everyday, but this was the first game after the break. Could he have played? Yes. Why did Widge play? Because he hit a HR off Johnson last year. Would I have played Widger today? Absolutely.

I know this sounds completely contradicting, but my point was (I guess) to respond to a comment about seemingly losing every game Widge catches. It happens to be a lot of things, and not just that it's number 36 behind the plate instead of number 12. Among one of the things that should be accounted for is facing Santana, Sabathia, Rogers, and Johnson - and other tough lefties. We're also never going to have an equal to Pierzynski (as a backup) to fill-in. It's impossible to match his game-calling, hitting, fielding and more importantly intensity when anyone else would play.

oeo
07-14-2006, 11:51 PM
Sure 'nuff, boss.

So, you're saying it wasn't a possible mismanagement of the pitching tonight?
The thing is, you're questioning it now. Of course it's easy to question his decisions...if he makes the right one, he's a genius, if he doesn't, he's a dumbass. It's not an easy decision...why do you think it was? He has to make these decisions and he's usually pretty good at it, but no one is perfect. If Thornton doesn't get screwed on two pitches, then the whole game is changed. And it would go unnoticed, wouldn't it? We would be giving a good job to Thornton, but Ozzie wouldn't get the credit. Yet he makes a decision, his pitcher gets screwed over, and he's got to get him out of there before he gets in more trouble. So the buttons he pushed tonight didn't work right...but next time they do, you better be the first one to give him credit since you like to criticize his "bad" decisions.

Why aren't you in baseball if you can make these decisions so well?

CaptainBallz
07-15-2006, 12:06 AM
The thing is, you're questioning it now. Of course it's easy to question his decisions...if he makes the right one, he's a genius, if he doesn't, he's a dumbass. It's not an easy decision...why do you think it was? He has to make these decisions and he's usually pretty good at it, but no one is perfect. If Thornton doesn't get screwed on two pitches, then the whole game is changed. And it would go unnoticed, wouldn't it? We would be giving a good job to Thornton, but Ozzie wouldn't get the credit. Yet he makes a decision, his pitcher gets screwed over, and he's got to get him out of there before he gets in more trouble. So the buttons he pushed tonight didn't work right...but next time they do, you better be the first one to give him credit since you like to criticize his "bad" decisions.

Why aren't you in baseball if you can make these decisions so well?

Did I put up the "Fire Ozzie" tag or something??!! No, i didn't. I was merely commenting on the quote that was posted from rotoworld and saying that, yeah, there may have been bad decisions made regarding the pitching changes. And yes, I'm allowed to comment on that, not because I'm a manager or "in baseball", but because it's an observation.

spiffie
07-15-2006, 12:22 AM
When somebody pays you ten cents to manage anything, get back to me. :rolleyes:
Just because someone pays you to manage doesn't mean you're necessarily good at it. Terry Bevington cashed paychecks as a major league manager and Dusty Baker makes more in a year than many of us earn in a lifetime. Not saying we know anything, but perhaps some of these folks might not be infallible either.

thomas35forever
07-15-2006, 12:23 AM
RIP Contreras' winning streak. We just couldn't save you tonight.

TomParrish79
07-15-2006, 01:16 AM
ehhh it seems like we never can beat New York or Boston in the regular season.....and it makes it worse with us losing ground with each game we blow.

But we will be fine...it will all work itself out

Grzegorz
07-15-2006, 05:29 AM
Doesn't anyone else on this board get tired of scapegoating Widger? Jeez, this premise is rooted in emotion only. Does anyone want to see AJ catch all one hundred and sixty-two?

We have Widger now, we have to use this resource when ever the need arises. Resting AJ helps AJ; a rested AJ helps the White Sox.

As for how replacing McCarthy in the bullpen helps this team is simple. The reliever that replaces McCarthy meets or exceeds his performance to date and McCarthy would be an upgrade on the person he will replace in the current rotation.

Pitching is the Achilles heel of this team.

greenpeach
07-15-2006, 06:33 AM
Well, we came up just a bit short. However, I liked how we came back which I hope gives us momentum into Saturday's game.

Sorry my friend, but there's no such thing as momentum in baseball. It was a tough defeat & we lost another game in the loss column to the Tigers. If KC takes one game from the Tigers I will be surprised.

greenpeach
07-15-2006, 06:38 AM
Looks like we'll be 3.5 out tomorrow. Detroit has now completed the comeback. Unreal.

The Tigers haven't lost to KC all year (10-0), why would they start now ?

WSox597
07-15-2006, 07:31 AM
If we trade pitching to anyone, it should be KC so maybe they would win one from Detroit. A little late now, after 10 wins by Detroit.

SOXSINCE'70
07-15-2006, 08:35 AM
I hate the Detriot Tigers!:gulp:

So do many people on this board,including me.:angry: :angry: :angry:

Paulwny
07-15-2006, 08:42 AM
The majority of managers usually rest their catchers the day game after a night game. If AJ played last night Ozzie would not play him in today's DAY game.
It made perfect sense to use Widger against a lefty last night and AJ vs a righty this afternoon.

Baby Fisk
07-15-2006, 09:35 AM
Should have left McCarthy in. I'm just sayin.

SBSoxFan
07-15-2006, 09:48 AM
Should have left McCarthy in. I'm just sayin.

Why? I'm not arguing one way or another, I just have no problem seeing him, Thornton, or Cotts in there in any situation. They didn't get it done tonight. Regarding the pen, it felt a lot like the first part of the first half. Hopefuly it was all-star break rust.

What I don't get is people complaining that JC shouldn't have started the 8th. Why not? He'd only thrown 97 pitches through 7, and wasn't the big gripe during the first half that the starters weren't going deep enough? Then, on the other hand, we have rotoworld wondering why JC wasn't left in the game after Rodriquez's hit. Ozzie tends to stick with his starters unless they give him a reason to be taken out. Apparently Ozzie didn't like what he heard when he went to the mound so he took him out.

What's most disappointing is that it seemed NY hit about 4 balls hard all night, yet was still able to win. :angry:

Baby Fisk
07-15-2006, 09:54 AM
Why? I'm not arguing one way or another, I just have no problem seeing him, Thornton, or Cotts in there in any situation. They didn't get it done tonight. Regarding the pen, it felt a lot like the first part of the first half. Hopefuly it was all-star break rust.

McCarthy had just gotten a great strikeout. Let him keep going! Sometimes you have to set the matchups chart down and go with your gut. If McCarthy gets burned by Cabrera, so be it, but to yank him right away was a momentum killer, IMO. Yeah I know, I'm not the ****ing manager, that's why I'm just sayin'.

SBSoxFan
07-15-2006, 09:58 AM
McCarthy had just gotten a great strikeout. Let him keep going! Sometimes you have to set the matchups chart down and go with your gut. If McCarthy gets burned by Cabrera, so be it, but to yank him right away was a momentum killer, IMO. Yeah I know, I'm not the ****ing manager, that's why I'm just sayin'.

Where should I send your 10 cents? :wink:

Frankly Missing
07-15-2006, 10:16 AM
McCarthy had just gotten a great strikeout. Let him keep going! Sometimes you have to set the matchups chart down and go with your gut. If McCarthy gets burned by Cabrera, so be it, but to yank him right away was a momentum killer, IMO. Yeah I know, I'm not the ****ing manager, that's why I'm just sayin'.

Brandon did a great job before the break in extra innings. I would have liked to have seen what he could do after that strikeout last night.

markopat
07-15-2006, 11:33 AM
Wow gang...a lot of bitterness here. We'll get em today!

Yesterday is gone...done...let it go................................

Go Go SOX!

PS...Isn't this site all about posting opinions?

Tragg
07-15-2006, 11:37 AM
We were 3-3 against the Yankees last year, and 3-4 against the RedSox (4-4 in spirit as we were ahead in a game that was absurdly "called" for rain early on a Sunday afternoon).
Oakland and the Angels killed us.

BadBobbyJenks
07-15-2006, 02:19 PM
PS...Isn't this site all about posting opinions?


well that all depends......:rolleyes: