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stacksedwards
07-14-2006, 12:03 PM
If the rumors come true and the White Sox decide to move one of their starters for bullpen help do you feel confident with Macarthy as the number five guy for the strech run? I for one really think we should keep him in the bullpen and try to deal some prosepects for a proven set up guy.

stacksedwards
07-14-2006, 12:04 PM
Why does it put Finger Nails in for Macarthy's name on here?

WSox8404
07-14-2006, 12:04 PM
If the rumors come true and the White Sox decide to move one of their starters for bullpen help do you feel confident with Macarthy as the number five guy for the strech run? I for one really think we should keep him in the bullpen and try to deal some prosepects for a proven set up guy.

Yes. Always thought he was.

MERPER
07-14-2006, 12:04 PM
I feel extremely confident... Sorry, but if you only look at the records of Vazquez and Garcia you are kidding yourself... niether has been very good this season... McCarthy can not be any worse than either of them....

I think McCarthy is every bit as talented and ready to go...

stacksedwards
07-14-2006, 12:07 PM
I feel extremely confident... Sorry, but if you only look at the records of Vazquez and Garcia you are kidding yourself... niether has been very good this season... McCarthy can not be any worse than either of them....

I think McCarthy is every bit as talented and ready to go...

Garcia is 10-4 I do not care about ERA the record is all that matters.

ode to veeck
07-14-2006, 12:07 PM
Why does it put Finger Nails in for Macarthy's name on here?

Because that's what B-M-A-C "sounds" like to many of us when people continue to use this dumb monikor for Brendan McCarthy

Corlose 15
07-14-2006, 12:09 PM
Because that's what B-M-A-C "sounds" like to many of us when people continue to use this dumb monikor for Brendan McCarthy

It also bugs me when people use it for Brandon McCarthy.:cool:

stacksedwards
07-14-2006, 12:10 PM
Because that's what B-M-A-C "sounds" like to many of us when people continue to use this dumb monikor for Brendan McCarthy
Thaks for the explanation

DaleJRFan
07-14-2006, 12:12 PM
The problem with moving Garcia or Vazquez out of the rotation to make room for McCarthy is that *if* McCarthy doesn't have his changeup working, he will get hammered. If Vazquez or Garcia are missing a pitch, they can adjust and have 3 or 4 other pitchs to throw. McCarthy has a change, curve and a very hittable fastball. We've seen it many times this year. When he's on, he's awesome. But when he can't locate his change, he gets lit up like a christmas tree.

For this season anyway, McCarthy is NO better than either Garcia or Vazquez. Moving someone out of the rotation to make room for McCarthy would be detrimental to defending the championship. I say stick it out til the offseason.

ode to veeck
07-14-2006, 12:13 PM
It also bugs me when people use it for Brandon McCarthy.:cool:

LOL! The dislexic typer strikes again!

jenn2080
07-14-2006, 12:15 PM
I am kind of confident that he can do it, however I have seen him get rocked out there too on more times then he has done good.

Chicken Dinner
07-14-2006, 12:16 PM
Lately he's been pitching high in the zone and getting hit pretty well. He needs to keep the ball down. If he can do that he'll be OK.

WhiteSox1983
07-14-2006, 12:18 PM
im not a big fan of this trade at all. get vasquez out... if anything.

I think we are fine the way we are, and i dont think mccarthy is ready yet, and you never know... contreras is always liable to get hurt.

voodoochile
07-14-2006, 12:20 PM
I am kind of confident that he can do it, however I have seen him get rocked out there too on more times then he has done good.

Well that doesn't make much sense and I suspect you are suffering from negative memory syndrome. The times he has gotten shelled stick out more than the single inning relief appearances when nothing happen. Boring/normal stuff tends to fade from memory while exciting/spectacular/craptacular stuff sticks around.

CaptainBallz
07-14-2006, 12:21 PM
Why don't they see if Vazquez or Freddy can turn things around a bit first. Did anybody learn anything from Contreras last year?

TornLabrum
07-14-2006, 12:24 PM
Why don't they see if Vazquez or Freddy can turn things around a bit first. Did anybody learn anything from Contreras last year?

Not everybody HERE did. Remember, these are RUMORS we're talking about. Most of those start out as a figment of somebody's imagination.

itsnotrequired
07-14-2006, 12:29 PM
Not everybody HERE did. Remember, these are RUMORS we're talking about. Most of those start out as a figment of somebody's imagination.

Its up on mlbtraderumors.com now so it must be true!

:redneck

LongLiveFisk
07-14-2006, 12:44 PM
Because that's what B-M-A-C "sounds" like to many of us when people continue to use this dumb monikor for Brendan McCarthy

Maybe so but "fingernails on a blackboard" isn't too crafty either. And his name is Brandon. :D:

viagracat
07-14-2006, 12:48 PM
Maybe so but "fingernails on a blackboard" isn't too crafty either. And his name is Brandon. :D:

God, I HATE that nickname! :angry:

Jjav829
07-14-2006, 12:55 PM
God, I HATE that nickname! :angry:

Blame McCarthy. It's his nickname. No one here created it; he (or one of his friends/family members) did.

Tekijawa
07-14-2006, 01:03 PM
Is anyone else concerned with the routes this guy runs in the field?

slobes
07-14-2006, 01:13 PM
I would be totally confident with him as a starter, but I don't think there's any reason to move Vasquez yet.

MERPER
07-14-2006, 01:16 PM
Garcia is 10-4 I do not care about ERA the record is all that matters.

YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG!!!

Any baseball expert/analyst will tell you ERA is more important... heck, even WHIP is more important... an awful pitcher can still win a fair amount of games because he plays on a team that happens to give him great run support and they win games 7-5 or 10-7.... that does not mean the pitcher has been good and when the offense runs out, the pitching isn't there...

Some examples are Matt Clement last year with the BoSox or Javier Vazquez this year with our Sox

LongLiveFisk
07-14-2006, 01:16 PM
Blame McCarthy. It's his nickname. No one here created it; he (or one of his friends/family members) did.

Wow, I gotta give them an "F" for that one. :tongue:

Tragg
07-14-2006, 01:24 PM
I think McCarthy would do a fine job as starter. But I'm not overly eager to trade Freddie or Javy, especially only for a relief pitcher. But, there could be a good deal out there.

Physicially, doesn't he sort of look like McDowell in the way he pitchers...all arms and elbows?

oeo
07-14-2006, 01:25 PM
I feel extremely confident... Sorry, but if you only look at the records of Vazquez and Garcia you are kidding yourself... niether has been very good this season... McCarthy can not be any worse than either of them....

I think McCarthy is every bit as talented and ready to go...

Uhm...Freddy has been great at points this year. He had a couple rough outings to start the year, then he was great for about 6-7 starts. Do not forget his performance against the Cards a few weeks ago, either.

Erik The Red
07-14-2006, 01:28 PM
Looks like the language filters don't extend to the "Last Post" section of the board. Interesting...

Hitmen77
07-14-2006, 01:41 PM
Because that's what B-M-A-C "sounds" like to many of us when people continue to use this dumb monikor for Brendan McCarthy

Yeah, never mind that McCarthy himself came up with the moniker. :rolleyes:

Iwritecode
07-14-2006, 01:43 PM
Blame McCarthy. It's his nickname. No one here created it; he (or one of his friends/family members) did.

I blame whoever came up with A-rod. I think he was the first. Then came the rest.

MrRoboto83
07-14-2006, 01:52 PM
I think Brandon needs to stay right where he is at, the Sox need a strong guy for middle relief.

MERPER
07-14-2006, 02:02 PM
Uhm...Freddy has been great at points this year. He had a couple rough outings to start the year, then he was great for about 6-7 starts. Do not forget his performance against the Cards a few weeks ago, either.

You are right, he has been.... that Cardinals game was a masterpiece and he usually shows up in big games... which is why it would be harder to see him go than Javy....

That being said, Garcia has lost his fastball and I'm afraid that the large amount of innings last year are taking its toll on him... if he is, in fact, trying to become more of a breaking ball pitcher that's one thing, but he's not great at it yet...

He is maddeningly inconsistent... it used to be that if you didn't get to Freddy in the 1st inning, you weren't getting him... that's far from the case this year...

DaleJRFan
07-14-2006, 02:22 PM
Looks like the language filters don't extend to the "Last Post" section of the board. Interesting...

Yea Erik, so watch your damn language, especially around those old grannies in the bleechers!!

ShoelessJoeS
07-14-2006, 02:24 PM
Does anybody know Freddy and Javy's contract situations?

voodoochile
07-14-2006, 02:28 PM
Does anybody know Freddy and Javy's contract situations?

They are both signed through at least next season and possibly through 2008, though I am not sure.

CubsfansareDRUNK
07-14-2006, 02:29 PM
Uhm...Freddy has been great at points this year. He had a couple rough outings to start the year, then he was great for about 6-7 starts. Do not forget his performance against the Cards a few weeks ago, either.
National League...

(I'm not saying a shutout isn't a good performance)

Palehose13
07-14-2006, 02:31 PM
Why does it put Finger Nails in for Macarthy's name on here?

Because the powers that be have a sense of humor. :cool:

Chicken Dinner
07-14-2006, 02:34 PM
Does anybody know Freddy and Javy's contract situations?

Here you go.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005_01_23_mlbcontracts_archive.html

itsnotrequired
07-14-2006, 02:35 PM
They are both signed through at least next season and possibly through 2008, though I am not sure.

Both are signed through 2007. There are no team or player options or buyouts for 2008.

nasox
07-14-2006, 02:39 PM
I like the moniker Bonnie Mac, named for Cornelius Alexander McGillicuddy.

LongLiveFisk
07-14-2006, 02:53 PM
I blame whoever came up with A-rod. I think he was the first. Then came the rest.

Same here. Did you ever try doing that with your own name? Sounds rather silly.

Deuce
07-14-2006, 02:55 PM
BMac will be fine. Hell, he can't be much worse than Freddy and Javy have been as of late. And if he is, the team will just have to bail him out like they do Freddy and Javy.

Deuce

twsoxfan5
07-14-2006, 03:08 PM
Garcia is 10-4 I do not care about ERA the record is all that matters.

I couldn't disagree more. ERA shows exactly how well a pitcher is doing and you can't really dispute it. It is the best gage of how good a pitcher is. A pitcher can get a win if he lets up 15 runs as long as his team gets 16 while he is still in the game. When it comes to pitchers, wins don't mean nearly as much as ERA when determining how good a pitcher is. Why was Roger Clemens considered for the CY young last year when he had a very average record of 13-8? It was because he had an ERA of 1.87.

TDog
07-14-2006, 03:21 PM
YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG!!!

Any baseball expert/analyst will tell you ERA is more important... heck, even WHIP is more important... an awful pitcher can still win a fair amount of games because he plays on a team that happens to give him great run support and they win games 7-5 or 10-7.... that does not mean the pitcher has been good and when the offense runs out, the pitching isn't there...

Some examples are Matt Clement last year with the BoSox or Javier Vazquez this year with our Sox

And yet, the White Sox are near 12-6 in each of the five starters' starts -- 11-5 for Contreras, who missed two starts, 11-6 for the guys at the back of the rotation, I think, but 12-6 for both Buehrle and Garcia.

All of them have started wins in high-scoring games and low-scoring games and all have started losses where the Sox offense didn't show up. Wins are more important than ERAs. Both Buehrle and Contreras started losses when their ERAs were extremely low. I don't think their ERAs predict how they will pitch on any given day.

None of these guys would remind you of the Sox fifth starter of 2004 and earlier. None even remind me of Loaiza of 2004.

IlliniSox4Life
07-14-2006, 03:59 PM
In Freddy's case, when he is doing well, he is the type of pitcher that wins. If you give him 8 runs, he'll give up 6 or 7. If you give him 3 runs, he'll give up 2. That is why his record is more important than his era.

AJTrenkle
07-14-2006, 04:50 PM
Freddy seems to not have much in the tank these days but he is at least a good bet to be league average. Garland should stay. Vazquez might be a good candidate to go to the pen, he seems to not be able to concentrate through a whole game.

WSox8404
07-14-2006, 05:17 PM
LOL! The dislexic typer strikes again!

Isn't it dyslexic?

Mercy!
07-14-2006, 05:17 PM
Because that's what B-M-A-C "sounds" like to many of us when people continue to use this dumb monikor for Brendan McCarthy I think most of those names like ARod are at the very least overdone. But it is my understanding that is how McCarthy refers to himself (B-M-A-C) - at least in the user name he chose when he posted on WSI when he was in the minors, and also in his MySpace profile now. Therefore, it appears to me really disrepectful to the man himself to not only disallow its usage, but to change it to something mocking.

Our given names, or the names we choose for ourselves, are such a basic and important thing to most people. Especially on a fan site, it seems weird, to say the least, to do this to one of our own players.

1951Campbell
07-14-2006, 05:22 PM
Our given names, or the names we choose for ourselves, are such a basic and important thing to most people. Especially on a fan site, it seems weird, to say the least, to do this to one of our own players.

C'mon, this is WSI. Lou Gehrig could post the "luckiest man alive" speech here and if he made a grammar mistake, about three dozen people would flame him.

nasox
07-14-2006, 05:34 PM
Isn't it dyslexic?

That's not bad typing. That's just idiocy. :wink:

Zing!

Mercy!
07-14-2006, 06:24 PM
C'mon, this is WSI. Lou Gehrig could post the "luckiest man alive" speech here and if he made a grammar mistake, about three dozen people would flame him. LOL. I'd probably be one of them (Lou, didn't you mean ALS, not als?).

For some reason, the B-M-A-C thing irritates me almost as much as when posters refer to players (especially Sox players!) as pieces of **** or pieces of garbage. Maybe it's just a generational thing.:(:

sullythered
07-14-2006, 06:35 PM
LOL. I'd probably be one of them (Lou, didn't you mean ALS, not als?).

For some reason, the B-M-A-C thing irritates me almost as much as when posters refer to players (especially Sox players!) as pieces of **** or pieces of garbage. Maybe it's just a generational thing.:(:
I'm 26, and I hate poor grammar and referring to players in such inflammatory terms. I don't know if I'm the rule or the exception, though.:smile:

balke
07-14-2006, 07:46 PM
This would be a bad move for the Sox. Freddy is a proven winner, and Vazquez is going to help them in that 5th spot. The division is too strong to break up the 5 man rotation and weaken the bullpen, its the reason the Sox are as good as they are.

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 10:15 PM
This would be a bad move for the Sox. Freddy is a proven winner, and Vazquez is going to help them in that 5th spot. The division is too strong to break up the 5 man rotation and weaken the bullpen, its the reason the Sox are as good as they are.

I agree about Freddie, but Vazquez is expendable. He has a great arm, but a 10-cent head.

McCarthy is already a better, more polished, and more mature pitcher than Vazquez.

BadBobbyJenks
07-14-2006, 10:24 PM
McCarthy is already a better, more polished, and more mature pitcher than Vazquez.


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really?

kwolf68
07-14-2006, 10:30 PM
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No doubt in my mind. One bad call or one bad break and Vazquez goes into la-la land. I've seen nothing from him other than the fact our team has given him tons of run support.

McCarthy is 23 years old, has 1 hit Texas, shut down Boston over 8 innings and should be this teams 5th starter.

No wonder every team and their uncle is trying to get McCarthy...The guy proved last year after being called up that he has the goods.

BadBobbyJenks
07-14-2006, 10:49 PM
No doubt in my mind. One bad call or one bad break and Vazquez goes into la-la land. I've seen nothing from him other than the fact our team has given him tons of run support.

McCarthy is 23 years old, has 1 hit Texas, shut down Boston over 8 innings and should be this teams 5th starter.

No wonder every team and their uncle is trying to get McCarthy...The guy proved last year after being called up that he has the goods.



He also gave up 6 to texas 6 to kc 5 to tampa last year.......lets get a little bigger sample before we say hes better and more mature than vazquez....theres a reason KW brought javy in here instead of handing the keys over to B-M-A-C


And by the way I am against the proposed schmidt trade because I think brandon will be good for us, but next year is his year. Fingernails on a blackboard's year is next year, its ridiculous to call for javy's head for half a seasons work.



edit: fingernails on a blackboard auto fix = :puking:

jehosaphat
07-14-2006, 11:09 PM
Because that's what B-M-A-C "sounds" like to many of us when people continue to use this dumb monikor for Brendan McCarthy

I guess might makes right here at WSI.

I'll tell you what is far more annoyning than someone who (in their contribution to the website) makes a post that refers to a pitcher on a team with a nickname that is used by the player himself. It is the leadershiop of a webstie who is so arrogant that they feel that they have the right to change other people's words.

If someone is being vulgar, it is one thing to censor them. But, it is not OK to change someone's post just because the writer uses a nickname that "you" don't like. The message forums should be about allowing people to say what is on their minds, even if they use a nickname "you" don't like.

I fully appreciate the time and effort that folks have put into WSI. But, this particular policy stinks.

FarWestChicago
07-14-2006, 11:30 PM
For some reason, the B-M-A-C thing irritates me almost as much as when posters refer to players (especially Sox players!) as pieces of **** or pieces of garbage. Maybe it's just a generational thing.:(:No, it's not a generational thing. Anybody who thinks the lame, played out first letter, first syllable thing is "cool" or "hip" needs to seriously ask somebody to kick their ass. Such incredible lameness is something that should not be tolerated in this century. If you are thinking about posting and defending this complete lack of creativity and total boring, lack of any contribution to human culture, shut the **** up, please. Do the rest of humankind a favour.

FarWestChicago
07-14-2006, 11:31 PM
I guess might makes right here at WSI.

I'll tell you what is far more annoyning than someone who (in their contribution to the website) makes a post that refers to a pitcher on a team with a nickname that is used by the player himself. It is the leadershiop of a webstie who is so arrogant that they feel that they have the right to change other people's words.

If someone is being vulgar, it is one thing to censor them. But, it is not OK to change someone's post just because the writer uses a nickname that "you" don't like. The message forums should be about allowing people to say what is on their minds, even if they use a nickname "you" don't like.

I fully appreciate the time and effort that folks have put into WSI. But, this particular policy stinks.**** off, *******. Start your own site.

BadBobbyJenks
07-14-2006, 11:32 PM
No, it's not a generational thing. Anybody who thinks the lame, played out first letter, first syllable thing is "cool" or "hip" needs to seriously ask somebody to kick their ass. Such incredible lameness is something that should not be tolerated in this century. If you are thinking about posting and defending this complete lack of creativity and total boring, lack of any contribution to human culture, shut the **** up, please. Do the rest of humankind a favour.



So what is cool/hip and what else is lame since you seem to have all the answers on this matter. the fact is AROD is an easy way to shorten alex rodriguez just as B_M_A_C is an easy way to shorten Brandon McCarthy. Why is this a problem?

ode to veeck
07-14-2006, 11:43 PM
God, I HATE that nickname! :angry:

Yeah, Brandan sucks

ode to veeck
07-14-2006, 11:49 PM
Freddy seems to not have much in the tank these days but he is at least a good bet to be league average. Garland should stay. Vazquez might be a good candidate to go to the pen, he seems to not be able to concentrate through a whole game.


Vasquez has "garlandesh disease"; can't think his way outa the 4.1 inning alla va sudden---even though he has decent breakin, offspeed, but a deceptive fastball too, but not the mental mixup to master an indimidating mix of pitches to take over a game yet, can he find himslef mentally like Ozzie lead Jon Garland to??