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JimEdmonds15
07-13-2006, 03:56 PM
Nationals Get:
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_400290.jpghttp://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_150479.jpghttp://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_429842.jpg
OF Austin Kearns: .274 AVG, 16 HR, ,50 RBI, 7 SB
SS Felipe Lopez: .268 AVG, 9 HR, 30 RBI, 23 SB
P Ryan Wagner: 0-0 0.00 ERA, 0 IP

Reds Get:
http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_400008.jpghttp://washington.nationals.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_435538.jpghttp://washington.nationals.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_112381.jpghttp://washington.nationals.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_430593.jpghttp://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/257328.jpg
RP Gary Majewski: 3-2 3.58 ERA, 34 K, 55.1 IP
RP Bill Bray: 1-1 3.91 ERA, 16 K, 23.0 IP
SS Royce Clayton: .269 AVG, 0 HR, 27 RBI, 8 SB
IF Brendan Harris: .250 AVG, 0 HR, 2 RBI, 0 SB
RHP Daryl Thompson: ???

- Just announced.. Dont know what the Reds are thinking?

Jjav829
07-13-2006, 03:57 PM
You gotta be ****ting me. This is an absolute steal for the Nats.

Austin Kearns, Felipe Lopez and Ryan Wagner have been traded from the Reds to the Nationals for the Gary Majewski, Bill Bray, Royce Clayton, Brendan Harris and Daryl Thompson.
The Reds gave up Kearns, Lopez and Wagner.....and they got back absolutely nothing. What an awful trade for the Reds! Quick, Kenny, see if they'll give us Griffey and eat his entire salary for Ross Gload! Seriously, what the hell are the Reds thinking?

Ol' No. 2
07-13-2006, 04:01 PM
Royce Clayton is obviously the lynchpin of this deal.

palehozenychicty
07-13-2006, 04:01 PM
You gotta be ****ting me. This is an absolute steal for the Nats.


They gave up Kearns, Lopez and Wagner.....and they got back absolutely nothing. What an awful trade for the Reds! Quick, Kenny, see if they'll give us Griffey and eat his entire salary for Ross Gload! Seriously, what the hell are the Reds thinking?

Wow. I just saw this myself. He made good with the trades for Arroyo and Phillips, but Krivsky proves himself to be a fool. Seriously, clayton over lopez?!

skottyj242
07-13-2006, 04:05 PM
White Flag with absolutley nothing in return. I should burn my Reds shirt.

palehozenychicty
07-13-2006, 04:06 PM
White Flag with absolutley nothing in return. I should burn my Reds shirt.

Yeah, why you do this with the wild card in grasp and renewed interest in the team is beyond me. IMO, I'd have kept Kearns over Dunn.

Chicken Dinner
07-13-2006, 04:07 PM
Royce Clayton is obviously the lynchpin of this deal.

I can hear the "MVP MVP MVP" chants coming from the crowd in Cincinnati.

JimEdmonds15
07-13-2006, 04:07 PM
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/logo_cin_79x76.jpghttp://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/news/pr_header.gif

07/13/2006 3:35 PM ET
Reds get Majewski, Bray, Clayton, Harris, Thompson from Nationals
Send Kearns, Lopez, Wagner to Washington in eight-player deal

CINCINNATI -- The Cincinnati Reds today acquired from the Washington Nationals RHP Gary Majewski, LHP Bill Bray, SS Royce Clayton, IF Brendan Harris and RHP Daryl Thompson in exchange for OF Austin Kearns, SS Felipe Lopez and RHP Ryan Wagner.

[Press Release] (http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060713&content_id=1554997&vkey=pr_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin)

cleanwsox
07-13-2006, 04:13 PM
Well, we knew they were desperate for bullpen help but to get rid of two starting positional players is just stupid.

JRIG
07-13-2006, 04:14 PM
Wayne Krivsky has spent most of his time as GM aquiring as many crappy ex-Twins as possible. (Guardado, Juan Castro, Joe Mays)

Now he's proven to be equally adept at tanking the rest of the season with a team in great shape for a playoff spot.

I like Yahoo's headline on the deal.... Reds get Majewski in eight-player deal (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=ArowbktBQbFqS3HXR3KcdzgRvLYF?slug=ap-nationals-redstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Yeah, pay no attention to the 2 best players in this deal heading to Washington.

Ol' No. 2
07-13-2006, 04:15 PM
This is the same team that refused to approve a trade of Ken Griffey last year. :mg:

What a difference new ownership makes (and not necessarily for the better).

chisoxmike
07-13-2006, 04:18 PM
That is un****ing believeable right there. Wow.

The Reds actually had a shot at doing something this year...I'm not saying they were going to, but they were in position. This is like our '97 White Flag Trade. Holy ****!

palehozenychicty
07-13-2006, 04:19 PM
I can only imagine the Reds board right now. :redneck

Tekijawa
07-13-2006, 04:21 PM
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/257328.jpg


When did Willie Harris Start pitching?

WizardsofOzzie
07-13-2006, 04:21 PM
Holy hell, i hope my old roommate dosen't go running for the ledge

RKMeibalane
07-13-2006, 04:27 PM
You gotta be ****ting me. This is an absolute steal for the Nats.


The Reds gave up Kearns, Lopez and Wagner.....and they got back absolutely nothing. What an awful trade for the Reds! Quick, Kenny, see if they'll give us Griffey and eat his entire salary for Ross Gload! Seriously, what the hell are the Reds thinking?

They're trying to improve their fielding percentage. :cool:

Dan Mega
07-13-2006, 04:27 PM
Holy crap:o:

That is so reminiscent of the trade we all know from 1997. The NL central just got much worse.

Ol' No. 2
07-13-2006, 04:30 PM
Holy crap:o:

That is so reminiscent of the trade we all know from 1997. The NL central just got much worse.In a white flag trade you try to at least get good prospects back. The Reds got Gary Majewski and Royce Clayton.:o:

Deuce
07-13-2006, 04:31 PM
http://www.allthingsyank.com/uhf15/kunibw.jpg

"You trade Austin Kearns, Felipe Lopez and Ryan Wagner for what's in the box? Ok, let's see what's in the box. Nothing! Absolutely nothing! STUPID!!! You so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!!!"

Hawkeroo1980
07-13-2006, 04:31 PM
Holy crap:o:

That is so reminiscent of the trade we all know from 1997. The NL central just got much worse.

ACTUALLY.....Lopez has only had one good year (last year) and they have enough offense ( in the NL at least) to compete without Kearns.

Mejewski is a stud and the Reds needed BP help bad. Their achillies heal was the bullpen.

It might turn out ok for them

WizardsofOzzie
07-13-2006, 04:32 PM
:hitless:
"I'll bring the reds back to dominating form"

SABRSox
07-13-2006, 04:36 PM
ACTUALLY.....Lopez has only had one good year (last year) and they have enough offense ( in the NL at least) to compete without Kearns.

Mejewski is a stud and the Reds needed BP help bad. Their achillies heal was the bullpen.

It might turn out ok for them

The words "Majewski" and "stud" should never be in the same sentence, unless a negative qualifier is placed in between said words.

rowand33
07-13-2006, 04:39 PM
wow, I would be furious if I were a reds fan.

Look at the Nats lineup now:

Soriano
Lopez
Vidro
Johnson
Kearns
Zimmerman
Guillen
Schneider
pitcher

they could definately make a run at the wild card with that. 9 games back is a lot, granted. but if they get Armas back... they could be one of the better NL teams (says a lot about the NL) with that lineup.

I've never seen a last place team make such a good trade.

MERPER
07-13-2006, 04:39 PM
The worst part of this trade is that the REDS did it for relief help... this sets the bar extremely high for 1 quality reliever (Majewski)... from here until the trade deadline KW is going to have a tough time acquiring an arm out there as the bar has been set at a starting SS and starting OF both young with loads of talent....

What a great trade for the Nationals.... if they re-sign Soriano... their lineup could be decent next year....

SouthSide_HitMen
07-13-2006, 04:39 PM
You gotta be ****ting me. This is an absolute steal for the Nats.


The Reds gave up Kearns, Lopez and Wagner.....and they got back absolutely nothing. What an awful trade for the Reds! Quick, Kenny, see if they'll give us Griffey and eat his entire salary for Ross Gload! Seriously, what the hell are the Reds thinking?

:thechoice

What you talkin bout Willis?

If this was a fantasy trade it would be vetoed in most leagues. It doesn't make sense for the Reds today. It doesn't make sense for the Reds tomorrow. Billy Bray turn out to be a great pitcher but you are giving up two quality starters (both of whom are arbitration eligible).

This trade makes absolutely no sense.

sircaffey1
07-13-2006, 04:39 PM
I would have liked the Sox to get Wagner if he would have come this cheap. Damn...

Jjav829
07-13-2006, 04:40 PM
A couple of people have called this a white flag trade. It's not, though. That's the problem. They're not giving up. They're going all-in by giving up a couple young, talented players for a bunch of crappy veterans.

I know the reasoning is they want to improve their defense and need bullpen help, but this trade is still awful for them. Majewski isn't a "stud." He's a medicore reliever with a 3.58 in the NL. Just for a comparison, would you rather have Gary Majewski (along with the other crap they got) and lose Lopez, Kearns and Wagner, or David Riske for a mediocre LOOGY and keep the three players they gave up? I know my answer, but I guess that's the difference between a good GM (Kenny) and, well, Wayne Krivsky.

And if this is the price for a decent relief pitcher, I'll take my chances with what we have in the bullpen now and hope for a starter.

HebrewHammer
07-13-2006, 04:41 PM
:thechoice

"NL Central title here I come!"

Seriously. Did Jim Bowden have to pretend to mull this one over? "Um, yeah, gee. I'll have to think that one over. You say you want Majewski? Hmmm. Let me get back to you," followed up by him running around the office high fiving everyone?

SABRSox
07-13-2006, 04:41 PM
Fantasy-wise, Kearns' value drops EXTREMELY, going from the best lineup and hitter's park in baseball to the worst.

Lopez will take a hit in both R and RBI, but should see a significant spike in SB as Frank Robinson loves to run.

gf2020
07-13-2006, 04:42 PM
they could definately make a run at the wild card with that. 9 games back is a lot, granted. but if they get Armas back... they could be one of the better NL teams (says a lot about the NL) with that lineup.

I've never seen a last place team make such a good trade.
No one has ever won the wildcard when trailing by more than 7.5 games. I see this as a real opportunity for them to rebuild their farm system by having great value players available in a market with several teams looking to go for it.

HebrewHammer
07-13-2006, 04:42 PM
The words "Majewski" and "stud" should never be in the same sentence, unless a negative qualifier is placed in between said words.

Example:

Gary Majewski is NOT a stud reliever.

Ol' No. 2
07-13-2006, 04:42 PM
A couple of people have called this a white flag trade. It's not, though. That's the problem. They're not giving up. They're going all-in by giving up a couple young, talented players for a bunch of crappy veterans.

I know the reasoning is they want to improve their defense and need bullpen help, but this trade is still awful for them. Majewski isn't a "stud." He's a medicore reliever with a 3.58 in the NL. Just for a comparison, would you rather have Gary Majewski (along with the other crap they got) and lose Lopez, Kearns and Wagner, or David Riske for a mediocre LOOGY and keep the three players they gave up? I know my answer, but I guess that's the difference between a good GM (Kenny) and, well, Wayne Krivsky.

And if this is the price for a decent relief pitcher, I'll take my chances with what we have in the bullpen now and hope for a starter.Cliff Politte for Junior sounds like a definate possibility. (Not sure if that should be in teal or not.:?:)

Pequod
07-13-2006, 04:51 PM
The word in DC for the last month has been that Jim Bowden has been itching to make a big trade in order to prove his worth to the new owners. Looks like he got it done.

A. Cavatica
07-13-2006, 04:54 PM
Getting rid of The Choice has to be worth something.

SABRSox
07-13-2006, 04:54 PM
Reds fans: Not happy about trade, furious that it was Bowden doing the fleecing.

Link: http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48529

Jerko
07-13-2006, 04:57 PM
So is a Soriano trade looming since Washington just obtained an outfielder?

Jjav829
07-13-2006, 05:00 PM
So is a Soriano trade looming since Washington just obtained an outfielder?

Possibly. If not, Jose Guillen is almost certainly going to be dealt.

SABRSox
07-13-2006, 05:02 PM
Reds fans are also furious that they did not acquire Jon Rauch as part of the deal. Did I miss when these ex-Sox prospects suddenly became so valuable?

Ol' No. 2
07-13-2006, 05:03 PM
Reds fans are also furious that they did not acquire Jon Rauch as part of the deal. Did I miss when these ex-Sox prospects suddenly became so valuable?It was when they went to the National League.

Chisox003
07-13-2006, 05:03 PM
:o::o::o:

WOW

Go.....Nats.....?!

russ99
07-13-2006, 05:05 PM
I can't see why the Reds did this unless Kearns is a FA in the offseason.

This was a horrible deal for the Reds driven by desperation to fix their bullpen.

At least Ryan Freel will get to play everyday now. He's one of my favorites. I'd love to see him in a Sox uniform.

Chicken Dinner
07-13-2006, 05:07 PM
If anyone has seen the Reds bullpen in action the last few weeks, this will be good for them.

Ol' No. 2
07-13-2006, 05:08 PM
I can't see why the Reds did this unless Kearns is a FA in the offseason.

This was a horrible deal for the Reds driven by desperation to fix their bullpen.

At least Ryan Freel will get to play everyday now. He's one of my favorites. I'd love to see him in a Sox uniform.Nope. 3+ years of service time. He won't be a FA until after the 2008 season. He's on a 1-year deal for $1.85M.

Jjav829
07-13-2006, 05:10 PM
If anyone has seen the Reds bullpen in action the last few weeks, this will be good for them.
Well, of course it's going to help their bullpen. That doesn't mean it's a good trade. If you added Scot Shields to our bullpen, it would be good for us. But if we gave up McCarthy, Sweeney and Fields to get him, that wouldn't be a good trade.

The issue isn't whether or not the Reds bullpen is better as a result of the trade. It's whether the price they paid for bullpen help was worth it.

SouthSide_HitMen
07-13-2006, 05:12 PM
Reds fans: Not happy about trade, furious that it was Bowden doing the fleecing.

Link: http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48529

POTW - My God, we just got scerwed by Jim Bowden.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1062322&postcount=32

POTM -

Did bowden just beat us in a trade? What the freaking heck is happening!? This looks ridiculous.

Majewski is a solid pickup. The other arms look average at best and Clayton and Harris are utter crap.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1062328&postcount=36

JRIG
07-13-2006, 05:20 PM
If anyone has seen the Reds bullpen in action the last few weeks, this will be good for them.

It won't matter how good the Reds bullpen is now, since the offense won't be providing any more leads to hold onto.

Chicken Dinner
07-13-2006, 05:21 PM
It won't matter how good the Reds bullpen is now, since the offense won't be providing any more leads to hold onto.

There offense is still plenty potent.

Chicken Dinner
07-13-2006, 05:29 PM
Well, of course it's going to help their bullpen. That doesn't mean it's a good trade. If you added Scot Shields to our bullpen, it would be good for us. But if we gave up McCarthy, Sweeney and Fields to get him, that wouldn't be a good trade.

The issue isn't whether or not the Reds bullpen is better as a result of the trade. It's whether the price they paid for bullpen help was worth it.

If all you had was 6 Cliff Politte's in the pen, it would be worth it.

It also shows you the going rate for relief pitchers.

PKalltheway
07-13-2006, 05:35 PM
Wow, the Reds are this desperate for bullpen help. I know their bullpen is terrible, but that still doesn't justify a trade this bad.

ma-gaga
07-13-2006, 05:38 PM
I'm in shock. My friend, the Mets fan isn't going to like this, he feels like his biggest threat are the Nats.

Wow. What an unbelievable deal. It almost makes up for Bowden's signing of C.Guzman, trading for Soriano, and optioning R.Church. Almost.

What is Krivitschsky thinking? "Well, I traded for Castro, might as well get rid of this F.Lopez guy." Unbelievable.

sox1970
07-13-2006, 05:38 PM
Nationals Get:

Reds Get:
http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_400008.jpg


It looks like the Reds have acquired Wizzo.

DOOTY DOOTY DOOTY

thomas35forever
07-13-2006, 05:52 PM
Worst trade of the year so far. I know Kearns was probably on the trading block, but why the hell do you trade Felipe Lopez who's having a breakout year and you're in a Wild Card hunt. I picked the Reds to win the Wild Card. I'm not so sure now. They're prolly going ape**** on the Reds board right now.

2ndCitySox
07-13-2006, 05:54 PM
Oh, they are. See for yourself - http://www.redszone.com

Mr. White Sox
07-13-2006, 06:38 PM
Fantasy-wise, Kearns' value drops EXTREMELY, going from the best lineup and hitter's park in baseball to the worst.

Lopez will take a hit in both R and RBI, but should see a significant spike in SB as Frank Robinson loves to run.
I just recently posted the same thing on my fantasy league's board.

But...
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_150472.jpg
"You can't not play me now, bitches!"
Yay! Go Ryan!

So what do you think gets Freel? Politte and Kris Honel?

Jjav829
07-13-2006, 06:41 PM
I just recently posted the same thing on my fantasy league's board.

But...
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_150472.jpg
"You can't not play me now, bitches!"
Yay! Go Ryan!

So what do you think gets Freel? Politte and Kris Honel?

Think again. The Reds recalled Chris Denorfia and he will have a chance to establish himself as the Reds everyday right fielder.

QCIASOXFAN
07-13-2006, 06:45 PM
Umm...... *** kind of trade is that?? You would maybe think all those players for Kearns or Lopez, but for both of them?? Whats in it for the Reds thats what I would like to know.

Mr. White Sox
07-13-2006, 06:46 PM
Think again. The Reds recalled Chris Denorfia and he will have a chance to establish himself as the Reds everyday right fielder.

Sonofa. Okay, Politte and Jeff Farnsworth.

MadetoOrta
07-13-2006, 06:51 PM
Someone refresh my recollection as to the exact trade offer last year for Griffey Jr? Chris Young + who?

Lip Man 1
07-13-2006, 06:52 PM
Rogowski, Young and Rowand.

Lip

SouthSide_HitMen
07-13-2006, 07:10 PM
If all you had was 6 Cliff Politte's in the pen, it would be worth it.

It also shows you the going rate for relief pitchers.

Unless, of course you are Kenny Williams.

:KW

One swift roundhouse kick to the head of Bill Bavasi sends Matt Thornton to the White Sox for eventual waiver wire fodder Joe Borchard.

Real Man of Genius!!!

Foulke You
07-13-2006, 07:20 PM
This was my favorite quote from the Reds board (paraphrasing):

"There is Juan Castro bad at the plate, and then there is Royce Clayton bad"

:cool:

Boy, I feel bad for Reds fans today. Unless this deal is perhaps a precursor to another big trade for the Reds? Sort of like a 1-2 punch? Shore up the bullpen then make a big splash getting another big name position player? If not, this is a terrible trade for the Reds. Also, any team getting Royce Clayton to start at shortstop doesn't exactly scream "contender", LOL.

Zisk77
07-13-2006, 07:22 PM
I can't see why the Reds did this unless Kearns is a FA in the offseason.

This was a horrible deal for the Reds driven by desperation to fix their bullpen.

At least Ryan Freel will get to play everyday now. He's one of my favorites. I'd love to see him in a Sox uniform.

Actually the Reds just called up a young prospect named denorfia to play right field.

Mr. White Sox
07-13-2006, 07:39 PM
Actually the Reds just called up a young prospect named denorfia to play right field.

I hate the Reds. Ryan Freel will NEVER start three consecutive games for the remainder of the season. Are they Freelist or something?

KRS1
07-13-2006, 07:50 PM
Bad doesnt even begin to describe this deal for the Reds. Thanks a lot Krivsky, for setting a rediculous market rate for second tier relievers.


Also, the prospect Thompson has had shoulder surgery and trouble recovering from it, so yeah.

champagne030
07-13-2006, 08:10 PM
Worst trade of the year so far. I know Kearns was probably on the trading block, but why the hell do you trade Felipe Lopez who's having a breakout year and you're in a Wild Card hunt. I picked the Reds to win the Wild Card. I'm not so sure now. They're prolly going ape**** on the Reds board right now.

A breakout year for Lopez? I don't think so. He was significantly better last season (maybe career year?). They certainly could've received more in return, but losing Wagner and Lopez for Clayton and Maj helps them this season with Freel in line to get more playing time (and Wagner a bust so far plus they won't miss what Lopez has provided offensively and a lack of defensively). Kearns was the kicker....They must really like Bray and the pitching prospect in return.

fquaye149
07-13-2006, 08:20 PM
Royce Clayton is obviously the lynchpin of this deal.

:walnuts:
"Wayne Krivsky is a genius!!"

Brian26
07-13-2006, 11:39 PM
Wow, the Reds are this desperate for bullpen help. I know their bullpen is terrible, but that still doesn't justify a trade this bad.

What's the old saying about cutting off your nose to spite your face?

TheOldRoman
07-13-2006, 11:47 PM
Rogowski, Young and Rowand.

Lip
Rowand was not part of the deal. He was added in via Phil Rogers' imagination.

beckett21
07-13-2006, 11:47 PM
When I first saw the details of this trade, I was sure that it was a joke.

You've got to be kidding me. :?:

Glad I'm not a Reds fan today.

PKalltheway
07-14-2006, 12:14 AM
:walnuts:
"Wayne Krivsky is a genius!!"
Jim Bowden (currently the Nats GM) was actually the one to trade away Konerko to the Sox.

PeteWard
07-14-2006, 08:18 AM
No one has ever won the wildcard when trailing by more than 7.5 games. I see this as a real opportunity for them to rebuild their farm system by having great value players available in a market with several teams looking to go for it.

Weren't the Astros much farther back last year?

Tragg
07-14-2006, 09:08 AM
The Konerko/Cameron trade was good for both teams.

Lopez looks like a pretty good offensive player to me; maybe he can't play a position, but he can hit.

The Reds probably see the NL as winnable...and it may be. But that's a lot of talent to give up for 2 middle relievers. I'd be furious if we gave up 1/2 of that for middle relief.

fquaye149
07-14-2006, 10:24 AM
Jim Bowden (currently the Nats GM) was actually the one to trade away Konerko to the Sox.


actually I'm being a huge ******** and referencing the "Royce Clayton is the best SS I ever played with"-gate

Chicken Dinner
07-14-2006, 11:52 AM
This is why the Reds did what they did. Take a look at last nights game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6661

chaerulez
07-14-2006, 11:56 AM
They always say the team that gets the best player in the deal is usually the winner... what about when a team gets three players better than anyone they had to give up???

I'm not sure what happened to Wagner (injured?), but I remember he was a hot prospect a few years ago, and I would have to say his upside is still better than any of the pitchers they received from the Nats.

Jjav829
07-14-2006, 12:18 PM
This is why the Reds did what they did. Take a look at last nights game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6661
You're still not getting it. We know they needed relief pitching. Most teams need relief pitching. That doesn't mean it's wise to give up the amount of talent the Reds did to get one decent reliever, especially when they're not even in a great position to win the World Series. It would be different if Majewski made them favorites to make it to the World Series. He doesn't. They're still likely to miss the playoffs. Even if they do make the playoffs, do you really think they're good enough to win the World Series?

Chicken Dinner
07-14-2006, 12:39 PM
You're still not getting it. We know they needed relief pitching. Most teams need relief pitching. That doesn't mean it's wise to give up the amount of talent the Reds did to get one decent reliever, especially when they're not even in a great position to win the World Series. It would be different if Majewski made them favorites to make it to the World Series. He doesn't. They're still likely to miss the playoffs. Even if they do make the playoffs, do you really think they're good enough to win the World Series?

You can't get in the World Series if you don't make the playoffs and without shoring up the pen (although it was expensive) they had NO playoff chance at all.

DSpivack
07-14-2006, 04:43 PM
You can't get in the World Series if you don't make the playoffs and without shoring up the pen (although it was expensive) they had NO playoff chance at all.

Yeah, but they still have no playoff chance. It'd be like trading Iguchi and Uribe, and getting a decent reliever and Royce Clayton back. Just because they filled a need doesn't make it a good trade. They filled a hole by creating other ones.

fusillirob1983
07-14-2006, 09:12 PM
I burst out laughing when I first found out about this trade. It is still hilarious.

Murphy10
07-15-2006, 12:39 AM
Well the nats are going to prob end up giving soriano or guillen away so kearns is probably there for their replacement