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1917
07-10-2006, 10:34 AM
I understand why...I know it's the smart move.... but God I hate it when we take out Thome and Konerko for pinch runners...I just hate having their bats out of the lineup...I know 19 inning games are a rarity, but those guys could end it on one swing, rather then rolling the dice with the single, steal, move them over, get them in....I mean would Boston have pinch ran Ortiz or Manny?....

Lyle Mouton
07-10-2006, 10:41 AM
I hate it too, but who honestly knew pablo and company would come around to bat a couple more times?

It usually works out

bluestar
07-10-2006, 10:52 AM
It is even worse in situations like yesterday's game when none of the pinch runners were effective. Ozuna never had a chance to try to do anything, and Paulie could have done what Gload did. As a matter of fact, one might argue that Paulie would have been more attentive on what should have been Crede's sac fly and tagged up and scored.

MYBOYAJ
07-10-2006, 11:42 AM
It's a tough call; that's why we're armchair managers. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Though it seems that a walk, sb, single scoring a winning run is a higher percentage play than someone hitting a walk-off homerun.

itsnotrequired
07-10-2006, 11:59 AM
Putting in pinch runners was absolutely the right call. I would have been screaming at my TV if Ozzie let those turtles run the basepaths in those situations.

jdm2662
07-10-2006, 12:05 PM
You play to win, period. You make these moves in order to go for the win. You don't worry about not scoring because you are trying to win. These were the right moves made. If not, people would be complaining why weren't they pinch ran for when Konerko or Thome would be thrown out at the plate, or hurt themselves when they are chugging on the base paths.

TheOldRoman
07-10-2006, 12:12 PM
Boston didn't pinch run because Manny or Ortiz never got on first or second with no outs. Remember, they did pinch run for Mike Lowell in the 11th, and Willie ended up scoring.

Walk-offs are nice, but you can't count on them. Your goal is to either get a runner on third with one out and hope for the sac fly, or put a guy on second that can score on a single. Ozzie played it right. And as for Konerko and Thome being able to end it with one swing, so can Iguchi, Dye, Crede, AJ, and Cintron. We didn't remove all of our power.

Erik The Red
07-10-2006, 12:22 PM
At the time we were facing a loss, down two in the bottom of the 11th. It's far more likely that we're gonna get the job done by playing fundamental baseball than by hoping for a long one. This was absolutely the right call on Ozzie's part.

RowanDye
07-10-2006, 12:27 PM
Pinch-running for Thome and Konerko were good moves.
However, I do not understand pinch-hitting Mackowiak for Anderson. Anderson was 2 for 4 with a double at the time, I don't think Rob had a significantly better chance at the plate.
In a close game like that, especially right after the freakish dropped pop-up in CF the night before, I want our best defender on the field.
It didn't cost us last night, but it doesn't seem wise to stick Rob out there late in a close game.

1917
07-10-2006, 12:34 PM
At the time we were facing a loss, down two in the bottom of the 11th. It's far more likely that we're gonna get the job done by playing fundamental baseball than by hoping for a long one. This was absolutely the right call on Ozzie's part.

Like I said, I agree, but I just hated seeing out 2 big boppers place in the linup replaced by 2 guys with a total of 1 HR....I know it had to be done though.

TornLabrum
07-10-2006, 12:38 PM
Pinch-running for Thome and Konerko were good moves.
However, I do not understand pinch-hitting Mackowiak for Anderson. Anderson was 2 for 4 with a double at the time, I don't think Rob had a significantly better chance at the plate.
In a close game like that, especially right after the freakish dropped pop-up in CF the night before, I want our best defender on the field.
It didn't cost us last night, but it doesn't seem wise to stick Rob out there late in a close game.

I'm guessing that Ozzie's reasoning is that Mackowiak has had several big hits in clutch situations this year.

viagracat
07-10-2006, 01:25 PM
Ozzie was clearly playing to win it right then and there in the 15th when Ozuna replaced Thome. I don't have a problem with either move. Yes, Gload and Dye bumped into each others on the basepaths which was bizarre, but you play to win every chance you get. You get your fast guys on base in game situations. 19-inning games only happen every 10-15 years. In other words, you don't spend a lot of time anticipating such a game. You play to win now.

bluestar
07-10-2006, 01:29 PM
For the record, no one has argued that the moves were wrong, just that it is tough when the game keeps going and those 3 and 4 spots come around and you have Ozuna and Gload hitting instead of Thome and Konerko. No one with any baseball knowledge would argue that Ozzie made a mistake in pinch running in those situations.

TDog
07-10-2006, 01:48 PM
... However, I do not understand pinch-hitting Mackowiak for Anderson. Anderson was 2 for 4 with a double at the time, I don't think Rob had a significantly better chance at the plate.
In a close game like that, especially right after the freakish dropped pop-up in CF the night before, I want our best defender on the field.
It didn't cost us last night, but it doesn't seem wise to stick Rob out there late in a close game.

Mackowiak is a better hitter. The winning run was on third base.

I know many were surprised that the White Sox won with Mackowiak in center and Politte on the mound. But they still won, against a good team.

spiffie
07-10-2006, 01:49 PM
The problem wasn't pinch running. The problem was that Ross Gload was allowed onto the field during a major league game. That never seems to end well for the Sox.

itsnotrequired
07-10-2006, 01:54 PM
Mackowiak is a better hitter. The winning run was on third base.

I know many were surprised that the White Sox won with Mackowiak in center and Politte on the mound. But they still won, against a good team.

Also, Timlin was on the mound so Ozzie was playing the old matchup game.

hawkjt
07-10-2006, 02:29 PM
Gload is 11-20 from the plate since June 11 in 16 games he appearred in.

He may not be long for this team but he is hitting well right now and so he may be sought after in a trade.

Brian is hitting 16-57 since June 11 in 17 games he has appearred- that comes to .281 the last month. I can certainly live with that from Brian at the plate and he is here to stay I hope.