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Thome25
06-26-2006, 09:36 AM
I don't know about anyone else but, I'm actually enjoying the race so far between the Sox and Tigers. Sure, it would be fun if the Sox ran away with the division the way they did last year but I think it's alot more fun the way it is now.

Also, I think it's a good thing the Sox are in this race with the Tigers because it keeps them fired-up and ready to go. I like that the pressure is always on right now because that will be an advantage come playoff-time. It will keep this team from becoming complacent

We all know what an impact the Sox-Indians division race had on the playoffs last year.

What are your thoughts on the division race this year?

Scottiehaswheels
06-26-2006, 09:53 AM
It is a good thing to keep the Sox competitive but also at this rate it will keep one of the east coast teams at home come playoff time... thats would be an added bonus

INSox56
06-26-2006, 09:57 AM
I don't think it is...am I crazy for rather wanting a 10 game lead in the division like last year? The Indians didn't really make us play better last year until the VERY very end. We had a horribly difficult August schedule last year that made our .500 record seem worse. I'd rather have a huge lead to give us room for error, honestly.

cbotnyse
06-26-2006, 09:59 AM
I both love it and hate it......I hate it because it seems like we are playing the best baseball I have ever seen lately and getting nowhere in the standings.

However, it will be a great race till the end. Every Detroit game will feel like a playoff game, but if we keep playing the way we are and taking care of business, we'll be in the post season, no problem.

Then the real fun begins.

Tokes
06-26-2006, 10:09 AM
oh, I'm enjoying the hell out of it as long as the Indians and the Twinkies keep away.

soxfan13
06-26-2006, 10:13 AM
I think its awesome. Yes frustrating but it is making the Sox play hard and not let their guard down. Will be great for them in the playoffs, knowing that that almost everygame they have been playing has been pretty close to must wins.

Steelrod
06-26-2006, 10:46 AM
It's good for us, them, and baseball. I want us to win the division but the wild card is also ok. The real test will be the playoffs!

Sox83Kid
06-26-2006, 10:53 AM
I think being in a tight race is great, but I took a look at Detroit's schedule, and they don't seem to have a lot of games against the tougher teams in the A.L. except for Oakland. Plus, they could quite possibly sweep any of the teams they play (Houston, Pittsburg, Minnesota, Seattle) before meeting up with Chicago again.

The Sox will have to play near-perfect ball to stay on Detroit's heels, or the Kitties will have to implode at some point.

vegyrex
06-26-2006, 11:45 AM
I'd rather be in first and have the Tigers chasing us, but this past week was really a lot of fun even if didn't gain any ground. The Sox just have to keep on winning. As long as we stay close to the Tigers we'll be in great shape. :cool:

Fake Chet Lemon
06-26-2006, 11:58 AM
I LOVE the race, but only because there is a Wild Card. If there was no WIld Card, I'd HATE this race! I think you need to be pushed, we saw what Atlanta always did in October after breezing to division titles. Nothing.

bluestar
06-26-2006, 12:13 PM
I think overall it is good, but I do think there is a chance such intense competition over 162 games, assuming the race stays close, could take a toll on both teams. When you are playing every game like it is a do-or-die situation, as these two teams seem to be doing, I think you are more prone to fatigue and injuries. Neither the Sox nor the Tigers have suffered a significant injury where a key player was lost for a large part of the season, except for Maroth, and Miner has stepped in and done as well or better.

I think this will be the key as the season drags on into the dog days and then down the stretch. The team with the most depth and that can avoid the most injuries will win in the end. I really like the depth of the Sox over that of the Tigers, but a key injury or two could have a dramatic impact on the outcome.

Jurr
06-26-2006, 12:14 PM
This race does a few things for the positive.

1. It keeps the dog days of summer interesting, as there is a team to root for and a team to root against. I love watching the division rivals play when their game means something in the standings.
2. It keeps the Sox fresh and playing hard nosed. Remember the 2000 team? Remember the 2001 Mariners? By not having anything to play for in September, they came out flat in the playoffs. I sincerely believe that the Indians were one of the main reasons the Sox won the World Series.
3. It keeps the likelihood of the Red Sox and Yankees both making the playoffs lower, which would be a great thing for baseball, though maybe not ESPN (which is another positive.)

Jurr
06-26-2006, 12:16 PM
I think overall it is good, but I do think there is a chance such intense competition over 162 games, assuming the race stays close, could take a toll on both teams. When you are playing every game like it is a do-or-die situation, as these two teams seem to be doing, I think you are more prone to fatigue and injuries. Neither the Sox nor the Tigers have suffered a significant injury where a key player was lost for a large part of the season, except for Maroth, and Miner has stepped in and done as well or better.

I think this will be the key as the season drags on into the dog days and then down the stretch. The team with the most depth and that can avoid the most injuries will win in the end. I really like the depth of the Sox over that of the Tigers, but a key injury or two could have a dramatic impact on the outcome.
I don't think it takes a toll. If you look at the stats, the teams that have had to really hump it through July, August, and September to make it to the Wild Card have had great success in the post season. Look no further than the Astros of last year. Wild Card teams are usually having to play their asses off to make the playoffs, and that sharpness contributes to wins when it matters in October.

bluestar
06-26-2006, 12:21 PM
I don't think it takes a toll. If you look at the stats, the teams that have had to really hump it through July, August, and September to make it to the Wild Card have had great success in the post season. Look no further than the Astros of last year. Wild Card teams are usually having to play their asses off to make the playoffs, and that sharpness contributes to wins when it matters in October.

That's a good point, but it is still June and it seems like every day the intensity of this race is increasing as both teams continue to win. I hope the intensity carries over into the post season with no ill effects, but there is still such a long way to go.

slobes
06-26-2006, 12:21 PM
This is the same kind of question as "Did Cleveland's late surge last year actually help us?". Normally I'm hoping for complete obliteration of opponents, but maybe Cleveland's run last year did help us to focus a bit more, bring us back down to Earth. Saying that, I do think that the Tigers hanging around will in the end be a good thing for the Sox. We just won 9 games in a row; it shows that we won't step down from the challenege. There's no doubt in my mind that even if we only make the playoffs as the Wild Card team, what our team has been going through the past two season has prepared us so that we will be able to beat any team, even Detroit, in the playoffs.

TornLabrum
06-26-2006, 12:25 PM
I don't think it takes a toll. If you look at the stats, the teams that have had to really hump it through July, August, and September to make it to the Wild Card have had great success in the post season. Look no further than the Astros of last year. Wild Card teams are usually having to play their asses off to make the playoffs, and that sharpness contributes to wins when it matters in October.

Whaddaya mean Astros. Are you forgetting that the Indians closed to within 1.5 games of us before it was all over?

SouthsideFathead
06-26-2006, 12:28 PM
The Sox vs. Tigers race is nice and exciting...

but the toll my Liver is taking is a different story.

Jurr
06-26-2006, 12:30 PM
Whaddaya mean Astros. Are you forgetting that the Indians closed to within 1.5 games of us before it was all over?
Oh, I know, but that's a given. This is a Sox fan site, for God's sake. We all know what playing in a tight race did for the Sox (as I posted earlier, stating the obvious). I was making a point that teams that have to play balls out for an extended period of time (the Astros actually had to overcome a 15-30 start...the Sox were on cruise control for a spell) really don't fizzle out too bad in the postseason. The Astros were overmatched in the WS, and still gave us a tough game all four.

kevin57
06-26-2006, 12:37 PM
Emotionally, I'd much rather be where we were at this time last year. However, just as I think the September "chase" of 2005 actually made us sharper for the playoffs, so I think this run is keeping the Sox at their best.

comet2k
06-26-2006, 01:15 PM
The tension created by the tight race with the Tigers is a little like the tension I felt during the playoffs last year, when every game and just about every pitch meant something. I not only keep track of the Sox but also check out what the Tigers are doing.

If this keeps up, it will only get better as the season goes. And if they make the playoffs again, I hope my heart and stomach can take the stress.

JohnBasedowYoda
06-26-2006, 01:20 PM
I'm loving it. It's going to be awesome when we play them. Enough of this NL garbage.

Greg1983
06-26-2006, 02:09 PM
I came to WSI this morning planning to start a new thread, but this one seems to be appropriate.

I have to admit that I'm feeling a little blue about the damned Tiggers. To go on a 9-game winning streak and make up no ground in the standings just sucks. They just *never* seem to lose. I'm very frustrated about the situation. I feel traces of my old pessimism coming back. :angry: :whiner: :angry:

But I'm not here to cry in my beer. I need to get over this. So, I have a request. Please reply to this thread with one or two reasons why I ought to buck up and have a little faith. I've seen a few ideas in the earlier posts, but I'd like to see them put right in front of me. Help me accentuate the positive, people. Perhaps there are some others out there grousing and grumbling who could use the same boost.

Thanks in advance...
Greg1983

Fake Chet Lemon
06-26-2006, 02:32 PM
I came to WSI this morning planning to start a new thread, but this one seems to be appropriate.

I have to admit that I'm feeling a little blue about the damned Tiggers. To go on a 9-game winning streak and make up no ground in the standings just sucks. They just *never* seem to lose. I'm very frustrated about the situation. . :angry: :whiner: :angry:
Thanks in advance...
Greg1983


I bet the Tigers are MORE frustrated than us. They are playing the best ball they'll ever play, yet the World Champions are right there lurking behind them. It can be a scary feeling to be the hunted, and they can't shake us. So get off the ledge, the Tigers know what the Sox can do and that concerns them. They have yet to prove what they can do for a season. They hate this more than us.

hawkjt
06-26-2006, 02:37 PM
Sorry, but I want a big lead. The object of the game is to get into the playoffs. Once there- the hottest team wins. Six months of total pressure just to get into the playoffs can take a toll. Last year we were under extreme pressure for just the last month of so of the regular season. I do not think six months of that kind of pressure is necessarily a good thing.

Also, have you seen the tigers september schedule? The last two weeks they play the royals like 7 times. And some other weak sisters. The sox finish at Oakland,angels,cleveland minny with home series against seattle and the tigers. We also play in boston in sept.

Point is, if the tigers stay tough the sox could miss the playoffs and then will we say we love having the tigers fighting us?

I want to make the playoffs, easier the better. otherwise we will be considered a one hit wonder. Making the playoffs will refute the fluke comments that will surface if we dont.

gf2020
06-26-2006, 03:54 PM
I too wish we had a big lead. I think both the Angels and us had a distinct advantage in our first round series because we clinched before the final weekend and got to set our rotations.

And the Wild card is no given either for the AL Central, the Yankees and Red Sox will both imrpove at the deadline. I think the Tigers will be spending October watching baseball at home.

MarySwiss
06-26-2006, 04:13 PM
After watching that big lead melt away last year, I really don't much care that we don't have one at this point. Now if it ever got to where we were 9 or 10 games back, that'd be different, but we're doing just fine.

Has anyone else noticed that many of the national mediots who last year were convinced that we would collapse and fade away are falling all over themselves gushing about the Tigers and how good they are? Of course, what the hell do they know, but still, it's a tad annoying. (I'm using the word "tad" today every chance I get as a tribute to last night's hero.)

digdagdug23
06-26-2006, 04:15 PM
Sorry, but I want a big lead. The object of the game is to get into the playoffs. Once there- the hottest team wins. Six months of total pressure just to get into the playoffs can take a toll. Last year we were under extreme pressure for just the last month of so of the regular season. I do not think six months of that kind of pressure is necessarily a good thing.

Also, have you seen the tigers september schedule? The last two weeks they play the royals like 7 times. And some other weak sisters. The sox finish at Oakland,angels,cleveland minny with home series against seattle and the tigers. We also play in boston in sept.

Sorry, but why are we putting the cart ahead of the horse? You are talking about September, and we are not even through June yet. It just seems that sometimes it is like being a parent, when you wish your life away for the bigger things in the future, you forget about what's important, which is the present day. I am not saying live exclusively for today, put everything you have in the game in front of you without regards to the end results in September. But, rather to take stock in where we are, playing better baseball than we were at this time last year, winning series consistently, pitching coming around, offense that is beyond the realm of what we thought possible at this time last year, and everything will work out as it is supposed to. We can not control the way Detroit is playing, all the organization can do is focus on what the White Sox need to do to keep winning ballgames. If we keep winning series, and occasionally pulling off the sweeps, that is all we can do to put ourselves in the best position possible come the post-season.

As far as others saying we were a fluke, who gives a rat's a** what anyone else says? I am having a blast watching this team play, and I could care less about the skeptics.

TDog
06-26-2006, 04:30 PM
I followed the Sox when they lost 106 games in a season, when they would contend just once every five seasons, usually with teams that couldn't field a decent four-man rotation. Maybe kids and bandwagoners are new to this Sox fan thing, but most seasons since 1968 I followed the Sox without the scent of contention.

I would never complain about the Sox being in the thick of a divisional race.

bluestar
06-26-2006, 04:34 PM
Please reply to this thread with one or two reasons why I ought to buck up and have a little faith. I've seen a few ideas in the earlier posts, but I'd like to see them put right in front of me. Help me accentuate the positive, people. Perhaps there are some others out there grousing and grumbling who could use the same boost.

1. While it is true the Sox did not gain ground during the winning streak, you should remember that the Sox were playing Texas, Cincinatti, St. Louis and Houston while the Tigers were playing the Devil Rays, the Cubs, Milwaukee and St. Louis. Despite a much tougher schedule, the Sox managed to not lose ground to Detroit. I was worried going into this recent stretch of schedule that Detroit might managed to build a four or five game lead.

2. I still don't think we have seen the Sox play up to their potential. They have begun to show signs of it in this past 10 games, but during the most recent pass through the rotation, only Freddy pitched what most would consider a truly outstanding game. Once our pitching and hitting both start clicking at the same time -- and I think they will -- this team is capable of going on a torrid hot streak.

3. The Sox are deeper than perhaps any other team in baseball. As the season wears on, this is going to become more and more of a factor.

bluestar
06-26-2006, 04:35 PM
Sorry, but why are we putting the cart ahead of the horse? You are talking about September, and we are not even through June yet. It just seems that sometimes it is like being a parent, when you wish your life away for the bigger things in the future, you forget about what's important, which is the present day. I am not saying live exclusively for today, put everything you have in the game in front of you without regards to the end results in September. But, rather to take stock in where we are, playing better baseball than we were at this time last year, winning series consistently, pitching coming around, offense that is beyond the realm of what we thought possible at this time last year, and everything will work out as it is supposed to. We can not control the way Detroit is playing, all the organization can do is focus on what the White Sox need to do to keep winning ballgames. If we keep winning series, and occasionally pulling off the sweeps, that is all we can do to put ourselves in the best position possible come the post-season.

As far as others saying we were a fluke, who gives a rat's a** what anyone else says? I am having a blast watching this team play, and I could care less about the skeptics.

Very well said!

flo-B-flo
06-26-2006, 04:47 PM
I followed the Sox when they lost 106 games in a season, when they would contend just once every five seasons, usually with teams that couldn't field a decent four-man rotation. Maybe kids and bandwagoners are new to this Sox fan thing, but most seasons since 1968 I followed the Sox without the scent of contention.

I would never complain about the Sox being in the thick of a divisional race. Dog, you took the words right out of my fingers. I have many friends and relatives in Michigan that are tigger fans. I'm happy for them that their team is having a great season so far. Now I want to crush them.......:wink:

BeviBall!
06-26-2006, 06:02 PM
I like being the hunter rather than the hunted as it keeps both teams sharp (it's about time for the Central to send two teams). I'm starting to see the 2006 Sox play at a higher level than I thought they could. Once the SPs start to become immersed in this and kick it up a notch, things could get really fun.

Just as long as we continue our mastery over Detroit, I'm totally fine being 0-2 games back right now.

Soxworldchamps
06-26-2006, 06:16 PM
I think it's a good thing. I like it. I also think I would like it better if the Sox were on top :wink:

Deuce
06-26-2006, 09:19 PM
I'd like it if the Tigers were three games behind, not 1.5 ahead. Then again, it is still June, so who gives a crap.

Deuce

viagracat
06-26-2006, 09:22 PM
I think they're feeding off each other right now, which is OK. You've seen some great baseball the past few weeks. Two scrappy teams doing everything right.

But the pitching should favor the Sox when they hook up head-to-head.

See you in October. :smile:

Lip Man 1
06-26-2006, 09:36 PM
Well I'd prefer to have a decent lead but given the fact that the Wild Card is now in play at least you aren't going to see a replay of 1993 when both the Braves and Giants won over 100 games but the Giants got left behind.

The important thing is to get to the post season period.

This is a veteran enough club so that if they are the Wild Card and have to open on the road they still have the moxie to overcome it.

Lip

Grzegorz
06-26-2006, 09:39 PM
This race is a great thing; takes the focus off the east coast, keeps the White Sox sharp (hopefully), and makes every game an event.

Nobody plays at this clip consistently, not even the 2006 Tigers.

When it is all said and done, the Twinkies will have something to say about this race.

Lip Man 1
06-26-2006, 09:45 PM
Well so far the Tigers are doing a pretty good imitation of it.

Lip

Blueprint1
06-26-2006, 10:06 PM
Well, if we were to win 100 games and miss the playoffs I might cry. Right now this season seems alot like 1990. Actually this Tigers team might be alot like the 1990 sox.

Deuce
06-26-2006, 10:56 PM
Well, if we were to win 100 games and miss the playoffs I might cry. Right now this season seems alot like 1990. Actually this Tigers team might be alot like the 1990 sox.With the wild card, it is nearly impossible to win 100 games and miss the playoffs.

CLR01
06-27-2006, 12:37 AM
Well, if we were to win 100 games and miss the playoffs I might cry. Right now this season seems alot like 1990. Actually this Tigers team might be alot like the 1990 sox.

There is no way in hell 4 teams break the 100 win mark. There are too many decent teams in the AL and not enough interleague games.

Palehose Pete
06-27-2006, 12:41 AM
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Dan H
06-27-2006, 09:11 AM
A race like this is what baseball is all about. It is nerve wracking and somewhat frustrating, but what did coasting to a division title ever get the Sox? We all know what happened in 1983 and 2000. In 1993, it was a tougher race, but the Sox still won by a comforable enough margin. They did nothing that year, too. If you're the best, prove it. Besides, Detroit will cool off and we will see how they react when the heat gets turned on in September. Look what happened to the Indians. El Foldo.

fuzzy_patters
06-27-2006, 11:37 AM
I am not enjoying this race all that much because I don't think it's much of a race for three reasons.

First, the Tigers are 1-6 against the Sox and have a 1.5 game lead. Their are still a lot of head-to-head match-ups yet, and there is no reason to take Detroit seriously until they prove they can win these games.

Another reason is that the Sox have not come close to playing up to their potential. The starting pitching has been inconsistent, and two of our hitters have been hitting below the Mendoza line for most of the season. The White Sox have been playing very well, but they have not played nearly as well as they are going to.

The final reason is experience. Outside of Kenny Rogers, the Tigers have inexperienced pitchers that have not pitched meaningful games in September. Rogers is experienced, but he is notorious for only pitching well for half a season. The first half has been his good half. The White Sox, on the other hand, are obviously more experienced. Combining this reason with their inability to beat the Sox, I expect Detroit to fall apart after they lose a couple more head-to-head series.

A. Cavatica
06-27-2006, 12:34 PM
I think it's terrific. I've actually paid attention to interleague play -- which most years is a waste of time -- because the Sox, Tigers, and Twins all played exciting, gutsy, dominating baseball. And I'm very happy to see the Indians languishing in fourth place.

Also, as we saw last year, the Sox with a huge lead could still fly under the radar. But the Sox and Tigers in this intense a race is a huge story, and nobody can mention the Tigers' great half-season without mentioning the Sox' equally great season-and-a-half.

EdHerman12
06-27-2006, 12:48 PM
Like most here I think it's a good thing. I watched the Tigers and Astros last night and thought that with Houston pulling out that win Sunday night they'd be pumped? Wrong, those darn Kitties are a pain in the posterior! Has anyone checked the availability of tickets for our 3 game series up there next month? I'm only seeing outfield box in left right now. Better seats for the 4 game trip in Aug.

It's good for the fans, baseball, and the teams! On with the race!

GO SOX!

Max Power
06-28-2006, 01:19 PM
The Tigers just will never lose a game. I keep thinking they're due for just one loss, but it's not happening. So it hit me last night... the Tigers are going to finish 137-25. It's time to just accept it. The good news is the Sox will finish 2 games behind them and clinch the wild card on September 2nd.

Seriously though, I think a good race is for the best. We saw what happened last year when push came to shove with Cleveland. Detroit is a very solid team, but they don't have a lot of guys with big game experience so hopefully that will help us down the stretch.

fuzzy_patters
06-28-2006, 01:31 PM
Does anyone else think that the Tigers are not our chief competition? I just have a gut feeling that it's going to be the Twins and the White Sox duking it out in September. I think Detroit is going to go into a slump in late July or early August. The Twins, on the other hand, are just starting to heat up.

JimF1983
06-28-2006, 01:48 PM
It sucks that Detroit gets to play St. Louis and Houston after we wear them out.

Detroit is going to give the Sox something to play for all season, and that will make winning the division that much sweeter.

Lip Man 1
06-28-2006, 04:31 PM
More and more it's looking like the only team capable of stopping the Tigers are the Sox themselves.

They simply can't drop to far behind putting themselves in a position where basically they have to win out in the remaining head to head games...that's a mighty tall order.

Lip

MarySwiss
06-28-2006, 04:36 PM
More and more it's looking like the only team capable of stopping the Tigers are the Sox themselves.

They simply can't drop to far behind putting themselves in a position where basically they have to win out in the remaining head to head games...that's a mighty tall order.

Lip

Hit the nail on the head, Lip. As long as we stay within a couple of games, we should be okay.

Be interesting to see what a resurgent Twins team does against the Tigers, though. And against the Sox. But my money--literally!--is on us.

MVP
06-28-2006, 04:48 PM
This race is great! The Tigers are helping to keep our Sox playing sharp. I wouldn't mind seeing the Tigers in the playoffs, as long as the Sox also get in. Also, I'm so tired of the Red Sox and Yankees being in the playoffs every single year. It's time for a change already.

TheOldRoman
06-28-2006, 05:05 PM
They simply can't drop to far behind putting themselves in a position where basically they have to win out in the remaining head to head games...that's a mighty tall order.

Lip Oh heavens! Whatever will we do?:rolleyes:
Leave it to Lip to put a negative spin on a team that is 50-26, with a 5-1 record against its top challenger.

Cuck the Fubs
06-28-2006, 05:18 PM
The race is a great thing..........keeps em focused all year long.

I do agree with the Twinkie theory though....The Tigers are indeed fro real, but they aren't going to play at this clip for entire season.

The Twins could be more trouble for the Sox than the Tigers....

Stay Tuned!

TDog
06-28-2006, 06:09 PM
More and more it's looking like the only team capable of stopping the Tigers are the Sox themselves.

They simply can't drop to far behind putting themselves in a position where basically they have to win out in the remaining head to head games...that's a mighty tall order.

Lip

The Yankees and Red Six did a good job of stopping the Tigers before the NIL Central showed up on the schedule.

Lip Man 1
06-28-2006, 06:19 PM
Thank you Roman for your insightful contribution.

OK since you pushed the button...tell me this...what's the Sox record against the dregs of the league? What's the Tigers?

There is the basis for my comment.

You can now go back to your regularly scheduled raving.

:rolleyes:

Lip

sullythered
06-28-2006, 06:27 PM
It should be a fun series against Detroit in the ALCS.:smile:

miker
06-28-2006, 06:27 PM
But I'm not here to cry in my beer. I need to get over this. So, I have a request. Please reply to this thread with one or two reasons why I ought to buck up and have a little faith. I've seen a few ideas in the earlier posts, but I'd like to see them put right in front of me. Help me accentuate the positive, people. Perhaps there are some others out there grousing and grumbling who could use the same boost.
Remember all the years that 1-2 games back would have been a dream come true.

The Sox are a great team and barring injury or some other disaster we will be in the playoffs. What if Detroit is there too? Well you have to give them some credit.

Matching Detroit win-for-win is going to be high-stakes poker at its finest, and at the end, we will have the winning hand.

And if that doesn't raise your optimism, maybe a cold beverage will help? :gulp:

TheOldRoman
06-28-2006, 06:31 PM
Thank you Roman for your insightful contribution.

OK since you pushed the button...tell me this...what's the Sox record against the dregs of the league? What's the Tigers?

There is the basis for my comment.

You can now go back to your regularly scheduled raving.

:rolleyes:

Lip
The Tigers, while playing out of their minds and way over their heads, have done great against the bad teams. They also managed to get their asses handed to them by the Yankees at half-strength, Boston, and the Sox.
The Sox, while scuffling and playing inconsistent ball the entire year, have gone 6-3 against the Royals and 1-2 against the Devil Rays. Fold up the tents.

I will tell you once again - the Tigers have been playing over their heads, and everything has gone right for them to be 54-25. The Sox have struggled, played extremely inconsistent ball, and even through their recent hot streak, have not completely clicked yet. They are 50-26. But you are just in pissing your pants. I mean, I don't see how we can possibly compete with the Tigers. I mean, we lost to KC thrice!

Lip Man 1
06-28-2006, 06:36 PM
Roman:

Care to add Seattle to the mix?

But hey you said you feared the Indians more then the Tigers on this board just a few weeks ago.

:o:

Ooops!

I stand by my statement... this race will be decided by whoever stumbles the least against the trash teams particularly in September.

Lip

vafan
06-29-2006, 12:05 PM
I would prefer that the Tigers stumble enough for us to move ahead and stay ahead. But it is going to take sustained .667 baseball (or better) to do so.

It is not just a matter of making the playoffs. We also need home field advantage. Otherwise we would have to go to Boston for the first two games. Boston will lead with Schilling and Beckett, and Beckett is 1000% better at home than on the road.

I want us on top with the baseball world chasing us.

Tekk
06-29-2006, 12:25 PM
The Sox-Tigers race is great, that's what baseball is all about.

LongLiveFisk
06-29-2006, 03:07 PM
Races schmaces, I'd rather the Sox were up by 15+ games right now. :cool:

southwstchi4life
06-29-2006, 03:12 PM
Its fun to have a race but, I would defently like the sox to blow away the division. It is also helpful knowing were up on the wild card

thechico
06-29-2006, 03:20 PM
As much fun as a Winning Ugly lead is, this is fun to watch too. Although it is frustrating to win 9 outta 10 and still be out a game and a half.
What is a tragedy is how almost everyone else is ignoring the race between the two teams with the best record in MLB.
I say almost because I was at my wife's mom's last weekend and they were watching the (shudder) Scrubs but the announcers mentioned how hot the AL central is.
Nice to get at least a little recognition from the other side of town.

Chico

TiggerFan
06-29-2006, 03:39 PM
I am from the Grand Rapids, Michigan area and am a Tigers fan. Here's my gut feelings on the end result of the pennant race.
First of all, neither the Tigers nor the White Sox will continue this crazy winning pace. Both will have good records come seasons' end but to expect either team to continue this ridiculous winning pace is not realistic. Minnesota will edge much closer because of their TWO dominant lefty starters. These three teams will beat each other up the remainder of the year - they key being how well they dominate the teams they're supposed to beat.
Cleveland is a much better team than the way they have played so far and will put up a solid 2nd half - the twins, tigers and white sox will not roll over them like they did earlier. It will be a very exciting 2nd half. Despite being a Tigers fan, I think the White Sox will will the division by 6 games and the Tigers will battle the Yankees to the wire in an attempt to win the wild card. The Twins scare me - Oakland always plays good in the 2nd half - Angels will play better once they call the young Weaver back up from the minors - Toronto is solid - way too many good teams in the American league to expect smooth sailing for the Tigers or the White Sox the rest of the season. Not saying these other teams will win it, but they are formidable opponents who will not roll over no matter how far out they are.

Palehose13
06-29-2006, 03:49 PM
I am from the Grand Rapids, Michigan area and am a Tigers fan. Here's my gut feelings on the end result of the pennant race.
First of all, neither the Tigers nor the White Sox will continue this crazy winning pace. Both will have good records come seasons' end but to expect either team to continue this ridiculous winning pace is not realistic. Minnesota will edge much closer because of their TWO dominant lefty starters. These three teams will beat each other up the remainder of the year - they key being how well they dominate the teams they're supposed to beat.
Cleveland is a much better team than the way they have played so far and will put up a solid 2nd half - the twins, tigers and white sox will not roll over them like they did earlier. It will be a very exciting 2nd half. Despite being a Tigers fan, I think the White Sox will will the division by 6 games and the Tigers will battle the Yankees to the wire in an attempt to win the wild card. The Twins scare me - Oakland always plays good in the 2nd half - Angels will play better once they call the young Weaver back up from the minors - Toronto is solid - way too many good teams in the American league to expect smooth sailing for the Tigers or the White Sox the rest of the season. Not saying these other teams will win it, but they are formidable opponents who will not roll over no matter how far out they are.

This is a very fair assessment and I agree with you.

In regards to the original question, I think the race is a very good thing. I firmly believe that last year's Sox team would not have won the World Series if Cleveland didn't kick them in the pants at the end of the year and make them "giddy up!"

Tiger23
06-29-2006, 05:12 PM
I think this race sucks and I wish the Tigers would just leave the Sox in the dust and run away with it.

thomas35forever
06-29-2006, 05:36 PM
It's good for us because it keeps our focus on the field. Most of you are right. We might not have won it all last year were it not for Cleveland's late-season surge.

tigersfan25
06-29-2006, 05:46 PM
You think the Tigers and White Sox are frustrated at each other winning, how do you think the Twins feel? :D:

MarySwiss
06-29-2006, 05:49 PM
You think the Tigers and White Sox are frustrated at each other winning, how do you think the Twins feel? :D:

Frankly, I've never given much of a damn about how the other teams' fans feel. Especially the other teams in the AL Central.

rookie
06-29-2006, 05:52 PM
I have 2 questions about the whole Sox/Tigers race based on what I've read so far:

#1 Some seem to think that the Tigers hot start won't last (as ours didn't last year) and will return to earth soon. If Cleveland were neck and neck with us all year instead of giving us a heart attack in September, do you think that the Sox would have had such a bad August and "come down to earth." I'm wondering that if being in a tight race makes the slump not as drastic.

I don't follow NYY/Boston too much, but it seems like they are pretty much neck and neck all the way through, with the head-2-head being key. Last year NYY got the division title only because of the head-2-head.

#2 Some have said that our offense helps us to guard againist a slump like we had in the 2nd half last year. What about Detriot's offense? Are they good enough to guard againist a slump as well? (As long as we don't pull a 2005 Aug/Sept and we win the division, being irritated that the Tigers are sticking around feels better than being scared that we might blow the whole lead away and not even be in it. But I guess you can't figure that out until the end of the season).

Personally I think we are going to win the division by a few games. It's just wierd because you have the expectation this year since we won it all, and last year was so easy (the first 1/2 and playoffs anyways) that we may have gotten a little spoiled. Okay a lot spoiled. Not MJ and the Bulls spoiled, but close. It's still more fun to be us, than any other team right now. As someone said we're still right up there and we've already proven something.

(Sorry about the run-ons. I don't know how to fix them).

tigersfan25
06-29-2006, 05:54 PM
Frankly, I've never given much of a damn about how the other teams' fans feel. Especially the other teams in the AL Central.
Who said I was talking about fans?

MarySwiss
06-29-2006, 06:13 PM
Who said I was talking about fans?

Good point. I also don't give much of a damn about how the other teams feel. That better? :wink:

tigersfan25
06-29-2006, 06:18 PM
Good point. I also don't give much of a damn about how the other teams feel. That better? :wink:
Wonderful!

kitekrazy
06-29-2006, 09:53 PM
I'm still waiting for the Tigers to implode.....waiting.....waiting...waiting

Paulwny
06-30-2006, 11:26 AM
You think the Tigers and White Sox are frustrated at each other winning, how do you think the Twins feel? :D:

Boston and NY, players and fans are very concerned. The team that doesn't win the div won't see the play-offs, the 2 largest pay-roll teams in the AL.

Thome25
07-06-2006, 10:51 AM
Boston and NY, players and fans are very concerned. The team that doesn't win the div won't see the play-offs, the 2 largest pay-roll teams in the AL.

Yet again one of the many reasons why this race is a great thing. Keeping the Yankees and/or Red Sox outta the playoff is always a beautiful thing.

hawkjt
07-10-2006, 01:55 PM
I just think anyone that thinks the sox are a lock for the playoffs and therefore thinks that the tigers hanging on at the top is amusing is just kidding themselves.

The yanks are a mere 6 games back with almost half the season to play and the yanks will add players like soriano, ect.

If the sox end up out of the playoffs then I would guess fans will re-think this pennant race enjoyment.

I also think the easy conclusion is that being pushed by the indians helped the sox last year- Not necessarily the case. I do think they sox played well after the pressure release from clinching it but there is no reason to believe that they could not have done the same clinching in the middle of Sept.

Getting in the playoffs is the deal- nothing that you have done to that point matters. I wish the tigers would go away and stay away. This sox team needs to make the playoffs and if they miss there will be so many broken-hearts it will be sad.

Lip Man 1
07-10-2006, 04:14 PM
Hawk:

It depends doesn't it....I don't know about you but I'll take my chances winning 93-95 games every season. Nine times out of ten that gets you in the post season.

I agree it's crucial to the franchise to make the post season two years in a row for the first time in history in order to keep the bandwagon fans on board, which inflates attendance, which translates into a 100 million dollar payroll, however, as stated, there's no shame in winning 94 games and NOT making it.

Either way the team looks to be in fine shape for the next few years.

Lip

Law11
07-10-2006, 04:19 PM
Th best would be Toronto winning the division and the wc coming from the Central..

ESPN would go dark in mourning...