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RKMeibalane
06-25-2006, 11:08 AM
Oh, joy!

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2499926)

itsnotrequired
06-25-2006, 11:16 AM
What an ass...

LuvSox
06-25-2006, 11:17 AM
That was a terrible article

Palehose13
06-25-2006, 11:24 AM
You know you're right when John Rocker comes to your rescue!

voodoochile
06-25-2006, 11:25 AM
You thought Rocker was an outcast before? Now the players who will have to start paying their fines and actually attend the sensitivity training seminars are going to hate him too.

No more faking it guys, the "little man is going to have to get people off his back".

How many people are deeply shocked that the MLB punishment system is a farce?

chaerulez
06-25-2006, 11:36 AM
John Rocker is a moron plain and simple.

daveeym
06-25-2006, 12:28 PM
You thought Rocker was an outcast before? Now the players who will have to start paying their fines and actually attend the sensitivity training seminars are going to hate him too.

No more faking it guys, the "little man is going to have to get people off his back".

How many people are deeply shocked that the MLB punishment system is a farce? He'll have to keep plugging his website and Jocks v. Joes. Seriously though, the thing about the fines not being paid has been known and talked about for ages. I sometimes wonder though if Selig has Vince McMahon employed as a consultant.

Vince: Hey Bud after Ozzie's sensativity training have him parade around Wrigley in a rainbow cape and crown. Have him repel down into the dugout from the upper deck first.

fquaye149
06-25-2006, 12:29 PM
How surprising is it that John Rocker's argument sounds exactly like some of the stupid posters on this board

"THIS IS AMERICA! You have the FREEDOM to do whatever you please with no consequences!!!"

beckett21
06-25-2006, 12:32 PM
You know you're right when John Rocker comes to your rescue!

My thoughts exactly.

Rocker is definitely not the guy you want in your corner on this one.

viagracat
06-25-2006, 12:40 PM
Live and don't learn, I guess. :?:

HotelWhiteSox
06-25-2006, 03:52 PM
Notice in the article who went out to interview Rocker...

MarySwiss
06-25-2006, 04:27 PM
Notice in the article who went out to interview Rocker...
No, I didn't. But it's also a story in today's online Trib, so I'm not surprised.

HotelWhiteSox
06-25-2006, 04:31 PM
How surprising is it that John Rocker's argument sounds exactly like some of the stupid posters on this board

"THIS IS AMERICA! You have the FREEDOM to do whatever you please with no consequences!!!"

You have no problem using it, trying to insult those that disagree with you

champagne030
06-25-2006, 04:57 PM
Oh, joy!

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2499926)

Rocker is trash and Ozzie used a bad word, but when did the word "***" change from a homosexual slur to a homophobic slur?

TaylorStSox
06-25-2006, 05:03 PM
John Rocker's a fine human being.

fquaye149
06-25-2006, 05:04 PM
You have no problem using it, trying to insult those that disagree with you
I have the freedom to say what I want. I also have to live with the consequences of saying what I want to say.

For instance, I have to listen to half-baked refutations from people like YOU when I point out how stupid it is that some people (John Rocker, not Ozzie) think they shouldn't lose standing in the court of public opinion nor be reprimanded by their employer when they say embarrassingly ignorant things.

The government didn't make Ozzie apologize. Nor did the Government make John Rocker apologize. If that were the case his right to free speech would have been infringed upon. Then it would have been legitimate to say "I thought this was America. I thought we had freedoms." If Ozzie or John Rocker hadn't wanted to apologize, hadn't wanted to attend sensitivity training, hadn't wanted to pay their fines they wouldn't have had to. They wouldn't have gone to jail. Their employment would have likely been terminated by MLB or by their respective teams.

This is not the thought police. This is ACTING PROFESSIONALLY IN A BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT.

Is this hard to understand?

Christ, I weep for America...

fquaye149
06-25-2006, 05:07 PM
Rocker is trash and Ozzie used a bad word, but when did the word "***" change from a homosexual slur to a homophobic slur?

Generally, and I'm not sure I even necessarily agree with this interpretation of society, but people claim that any attack on homosexuals stems from homophobia.

That is, that demeaning homosexuals is a result of latent fears and insecurities in one's own sexuality.

Like I said, I don't necessarily agree with that assessment, but it's why the word in question would be characterized as a homophobic slur

TaylorStSox
06-25-2006, 05:08 PM
I have the freedom to say what I want. I also have to live with the consequences of saying what I want to say.

For instance, I have to listen to half-baked refutations from people like YOU when I point out how stupid it is that some people (John Rocker, not Ozzie) think they shouldn't lose standing in the court of public opinion nor be reprimanded by their employer when they say embarrassingly ignorant things.

The government didn't make Ozzie apologize. Nor did the Government make John Rocker apologize. If that were the case his right to free speech would have been infringed upon. Then it would have been legitimate to say "I thought this was America. I thought we had freedoms." If Ozzie or John Rocker hadn't wanted to apologize, hadn't wanted to attend sensitivity training, hadn't wanted to pay their fines they wouldn't have had to. They wouldn't have gone to jail. Their employment would have likely been terminated by MLB or by their respective teams.

This is not the thought police. This is ACTING PROFESSIONALLY IN A BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT.

Is this hard to understand?

Christ, I weep for America...

While I agree in principle, the sports world is hardly a "business environment." Baseball, for example, is filled with uneducated jocks that live in a virtual bubble.

fquaye149
06-25-2006, 05:31 PM
While I agree in principle, the sports world is hardly a "business environment." Baseball, for example, is filled with uneducated jocks that live in a virtual bubble.

Sure, but they are employees of a business. Their bosses have the right to expect certain behavior from them. That's the way this country seems to work, and there's nothing "unAmerican" about having to conform to standards of decent behavior at your job.

HotelWhiteSox
06-25-2006, 05:40 PM
I have the freedom to say what I want. I also have to live with the consequences of saying what I want to say.

For instance, I have to listen to half-baked refutations from people like YOU when I point out how stupid it is that some people (John Rocker, not Ozzie) think they shouldn't lose standing in the court of public opinion nor be reprimanded by their employer when they say embarrassingly ignorant things.

The government didn't make Ozzie apologize. Nor did the Government make John Rocker apologize. If that were the case his right to free speech would have been infringed upon. Then it would have been legitimate to say "I thought this was America. I thought we had freedoms." If Ozzie or John Rocker hadn't wanted to apologize, hadn't wanted to attend sensitivity training, hadn't wanted to pay their fines they wouldn't have had to. They wouldn't have gone to jail. Their employment would have likely been terminated by MLB or by their respective teams.

This is not the thought police. This is ACTING PROFESSIONALLY IN A BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT.

Is this hard to understand?

Christ, I weep for America...

Who said anything about the government or even my stance on the issue? I was pointing out how you are hardly dealing with the consequences when you call other people stupid on an internet message board where everyone remains anonoymous.

Completely agree that Ozzie should've been fined and that he is living with the consequences, but there are some people (ESPN) who are trying to make the case for him to be fired, or tell him how he should think, while also not putting the misinterpretation into the equation (yes, I live with many immigrants who have been in this country a long time, yes, there are plenty of alternate meanings and misinterpretations. This is not justification for the comment, but it is ignorant in itself to come to the conclusion that Ozzie is homophobic because of what he said).

Interesting point by WSCR last night, where Laurence Holmes talked about a pregame with Ozzie, where you start off talking about the on the field action and then the off the record stuff is talked about, but with Ozzie it is sort of implied that records are off the record, and he might need to make it more clear when he is talking off the record. Again, not justification, but it was brought up that after the reaction of this comment, if off the record comments across clubhouses were published then a lot of people would be outraged with what is said. In the end Ozzie justifiably gets the blame for the comment, but that kind of comment is what the reporters want when they ask the question, they bait him for him and suprisingly don't bring up how offensive it is in person.

fquaye149
06-25-2006, 05:58 PM
Who said anything about the government or even my stance on the issue? I was pointing out how you are hardly dealing with the consequences when you call other people stupid on an internet message board where everyone remains anonoymous.

Completely agree that Ozzie should've been fined and that he is living with the consequences, but there are some people (ESPN) who are trying to make the case for him to be fired, or tell him how he should think, while also not putting the misinterpretation into the equation (yes, I live with many immigrants who have been in this country a long time, yes, there are plenty of alternate meanings and misinterpretations. This is not justification for the comment, but it is ignorant in itself to come to the conclusion that Ozzie is homophobic because of what he said).

Interesting point by WSCR last night, where Laurence Holmes talked about a pregame with Ozzie, where you start off talking about the on the field action and then the off the record stuff is talked about, but with Ozzie it is sort of implied that records are off the record, and he might need to make it more clear when he is talking off the record. Again, not justification, but it was brought up that after the reaction of this comment, if off the record comments across clubhouses were published then a lot of people would be:rolleyes: outraged with what is said. In the end Ozzie justifiably gets the blame for the comment, but that kind of comment is what the reporters want when they ask the question, they bait him for him and suprisingly don't bring up how offensive it is in person.

DUH. Of course I am calling them stupid on a message board and that has less consequences than if I called them stupid in real life. If John Rocker had only told his momma that he hates gays and Mexicans and the like it would have had less consequences. Part of "free speech" is understanding that certain venues have greater consequences. There are consequences to saying things on a message board, but much less than in real life and you have less boundaries. But you still must acknowledge those boundaries and speak accordingly.

OF course the press is responsible for this being a big thing. And of course some things are more "on the record" than others, especially when Ozzie speaks. But the fact is, when you're in a position like this everytime you're in public and say something you're going to be held to that. You have to know that. Not to make this political (and I'm not, so please let's not go in that direction) but in Fahrenheit 9/11, Michael Moore used a lot of footage of Bush speaking when he wasn't "on the record" (for instance, that golf course scene). The fact is, when you represent a group and are constantly in the public eye, people are going to hear what you say in public one way or another.

Do I think it's that big a deal Ozzie said what he said? Probably not, especially since he apologized. I'm not attacking him, though. I'm attacking Rocker's attitude (and the people on this board that share it) that free speech means that if someone gets called out by the press or their employers for saying something that is deemed offensive it is somehow "unAmerican" or "PC THOUGHT POLICE"

Dan H
06-25-2006, 10:32 PM
Why is anyone bothering with getting any opinion from John Rocker? He learned nothing from his past and will never learn anything. He's a jerk and that's his good point. If Ozzie learns anything, he should learn something from this self-destructive nimrod.

PatK
06-26-2006, 11:01 AM
Wasn't Rocker talking about an imaginary train ride in his anti-New York rant.

RKMeibalane
06-26-2006, 11:29 AM
Wasn't Rocker talking about an imaginary train ride in his anti-New York rant.

Yes. He said, "Imagine taking the number-seven train to the ballpark, sitting right to some queer with AIDS, right next some girl with purple hair, right next to a twenty-year-old mother with four kids, and right across from some guy who just got out of jail for the third time. It's despressing."

DaveIsHere
06-26-2006, 07:51 PM
All these arguements are getting old.....I am sick of talking about it as it always goes in circles and ends up in the roadhouse.

So, Ozzie said some stupid **** and Rocker said some stupid ****.

It is done, cannot be erased and we must move on. We all know that when Ozzie said what he said it was not against the gay community, he was using slang, that just so happens to be quit offensive to many. He was not attacking anyone but Moronotti!!! We have all came to the conclusion that Ozzie needs to be a little more selective when choosing his words.

This has been quite exhaustive......CAN WE PLEASE TALK BASEBALL AGAIN???

thomas35forever
06-26-2006, 08:46 PM
"Idiot."
"Jerk."
"Spank him."

miker
06-27-2006, 01:51 PM
You know you're right when John Rocker comes to your rescue!
What's next...an endorsement from the Klan?

Vernam
06-27-2006, 05:56 PM
Sure, but they are employees of a business. Their bosses have the right to expect certain behavior from them. That's the way this country seems to work, and there's nothing "unAmerican" about having to conform to standards of decent behavior at your job.Agreed, fquaye149, though I predict Moronotti is laying the groundwork for a lawsuit against the Sox and, maybe, the Sun-Times for not ensuring a hostility-free work environment. If there's anything more frustrating than government involvement in complicated issues like this, it's when a tool like him twists well-intentioned laws -- in this case, against workplace harrassment -- to suit his sick purposes.

If seeing his name linked to John Rocker doesn't convince Ozzie he needs to restrain himself in the presence of reporters, nothing will. :cool:

Vernam