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Fake Chet Lemon
06-24-2006, 12:07 AM
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=2235

Edit: forget it, we've been there, done that.

TheOldRoman
06-24-2006, 12:14 AM
old news

mike detroit
06-24-2006, 12:21 AM
as an outside observer, the question i had trouble with was which was worse, the beaning incident of the *** incident. both were bad in much different ways. ozzie is a great manager, but he seems a little bit... umm... how should I say... unsettled. there seems to be no filter between his brain and his mouth. both situations are an examples of emotion overiding reason. maybe he should look at leyland and larussa. they both are very emotional, but they don't go over the line like that.

TheOldRoman
06-24-2006, 12:30 AM
as an outside observer, the question i had trouble with was which was worse, the beaning incident of the *** incident. both were bad in much different ways. ozzie is a great manager, but he seems a little bit... umm... how should I say... unsettled. there seems to be no filter between his brain and his mouth. both situations are an examples of emotion overiding reason. maybe he should look at leyland and larussa. they both are very emotional, but they don't go over the line like that. What the **** are you talking about? What was wrong with the "beaning incident?" We were hit twice intentionally, and Ozzie sent a pitcher in to retaliate. Retaliation has been part of the game for years. Over 130 years. The Yankees did it the same night, only the mediots hailed Randy Johnson as heroic for doing it. Ozzie sent a pitcher in to do it, and was upset when he didn't get the job done.
Tuesday night we were hit twice, again (with both extremely blatant), and THEN we were warned. We retaliated afterwards to show that we weren't backing down.

Sorry, but you sound like every media imbecile who is calling Ozzie the worst thing to every happen to baseball and pretending like no other teams retaliate. It's a part of the game. This shouldn't have been a story.

mike detroit
06-24-2006, 12:35 AM
What the **** are you talking about? What was wrong with the "beaning incident?" We were hit twice intentionally, and Ozzie sent a pitcher in to retaliate. Retaliation has been part of the game for years. Over 130 years. The Yankees did it the same night, only the mediots hailed Randy Johnson as heroic for doing it. Ozzie sent a pitcher in to do it, and was upset when he didn't get the job done.
Tuesday night we were hit twice, again (with both extremely blatant), and THEN we were warned. We retaliated afterwards to show that we weren't backing down.

Sorry, but you sound like every media imbecile who is calling Ozzie the worst thing to every happen to baseball and pretending like no other teams retaliate.

well, to be honest, what was wrong was that they got caught. baseball has always been a "game of shadows". this isn't steroids, of course, but it's on par with the rampant spitballing of 15-20 years ago. it's something that's accepted but not allowed. so if you get caught, take your medicine. don't complain like a wimp that your being unfair, if you hit people on purpose, you're in trouble. a smart manager avoids evidence of this. ozzie, while a great manager, otherwise, seems to lack any kind of common sense at all.

oeo
06-24-2006, 12:46 AM
well, to be honest, what was wrong was that they got caught. baseball has always been a "game of shadows". this isn't steroids, of course, but it's on par with the rampant spitballing of 15-20 years ago. it's something that's accepted but not allowed. so if you get caught, take your medicine. don't complain like a wimp that your being unfair, if you hit people on purpose, you're in trouble. a smart manager avoids evidence of this. ozzie, while a great manager, otherwise, seems to lack any kind of common sense at all.
The Sox never should have been warned. The umpires are screwing with the game, and not letting the players police it like it should be. The Cards should have been warned after the second HBP, or no one at all. Then, AFTER the Sox retaliate, they should be warned. This is just like, say your buddy is speeding, and you're the passenger. Instead of the cop giving just your buddy a warning, he goes ahead and gives you one too.

The problem is not Ozzie. The problem is MLB is making baseball a little wussy game, where one team can go ahead and "bully" you, but if you retaliate, you're in trouble. Let the players police the game, if a brawl breaks out, so be it. The umpires have too much power and it's taking away from the game.

RadioheadRocks
06-24-2006, 01:06 AM
The Sox never should have been warned. The umpires are screwing with the game, and not letting the players police it like it should be. The Cards should have been warned after the second HBP, or no one at all. Then, AFTER the Sox retaliate, they should be warned. This is just like, say your buddy is speeding, and you're the passenger. Instead of the cop giving just your buddy a warning, he goes ahead and gives you one too.

The problem is not Ozzie. The problem is MLB is making baseball a little wussy game, where one team can go ahead and "bully" you, but if you retaliate, you're in trouble. Let the players police the game, if a brawl breaks out, so be it. The umpires have too much power and it's taking away from the game.


Amen! My whole concern is that there seems to be a precedent here, whereby two of our players get hit and the umpire's warning goes out before we have the chance to retaliate. What worries me is that now there may be a whole host of teams out there getting wise to what's going on and they may all be planning on employing this dick move on the Sox like some sort of Survivor tactic.