PDA

View Full Version : When do we start gaining?


soxwon
06-17-2006, 10:26 AM
It seems all we do is win win win and all detroit does is win win win.
When are we going to gain ground?
When do you experts see the season really turning for us?

JohnBasedowYoda
06-17-2006, 10:39 AM
This is going to be one hell of a race to the end. These guys aren't quiting man and as long as their pitching holds up....sheesh.

To answer, we gain when we pound them.

RealFan
06-17-2006, 10:41 AM
First off, I believe Detroit to be the real deal much as we were last year. They have a solid manager, good team chemistry, good pitching, and timely hitting. That being said, as with the Sox last year, I see August being a very tough month for the Tigers. They play us seven times, Cleveland six times, the Rangers four times, and the Yankees, Devil Rays, and Red Sox three times each.

That's a pretty tough month in the dog days of Summer and if there's a place in the schedule where the Tigers go on an extended losing streak, I think it's in August. Of course, if we're not playing well at the time, it could be a bad month for the Sox as well given the seven head-to-head match-ups.

areilly
06-17-2006, 10:42 AM
I say next week, once the kittens are done with the Cubs. Next week the Sox and Tigers both play the Cardinals and Astros. The Sox, in my expert opinion, can take 2 of 3 from both of those teams. The Tigers, based on how they've played against top-shelf teams (I'll throw Houston in that group since they'll have Clemens back) this year, can't.

After that, we play the Pirates, Cubs, O's, and Red Sox to lead into the All-Star break. Detroit has Pitt, Oakland, and the Mariners, so we'll probably be treading water there.

Look ahead to the 18th of July; we'll be coming off a 3-game against the Yankees, the Tigers will be coming off of 3 games against KC. If we can take 2 of 3 from the Yankees and then 2 of 3 from the Tigers, I will make the bold prediction that we are alone in first place by the time the sun rises on the 21st of July.

Chips
06-17-2006, 10:52 AM
We'll probably start gaining ground when the Tigers lose and we win.

TornLabrum
06-17-2006, 10:56 AM
We'll probably start gaining ground when the Tigers lose and we win.

Or when we win and they don't play...or when they lose and we don't play....

SOXBOY
06-17-2006, 10:57 AM
Who cares just keep winning.Right now we lead for the wild card spot the main thing is to get into the playoffs.I don't how we get in but that we do get in the playoffs.

Palehose13
06-17-2006, 10:58 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I feel like I am gaining every day... :(:

Beautox
06-17-2006, 11:03 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I feel like I am gaining every day... :(:

/agree, damn you ben and jerry, damn you!

but seriously, i don't think the tigers are the real deal holyfield, verlander has never pitched more than 130 innings, rogers is maso menos during the second half, when we get into the dog days of summer having 5 horses is whats going to separate the men(sox) for the boys(tigers)

SOX ADDICT '73
06-17-2006, 11:05 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I feel like I am gaining every day... :(:
Stupid slowed-down metabolism! :tongue:

sullythered
06-17-2006, 11:09 AM
It's all gonna be in the head to head.

Zisk77
06-17-2006, 11:13 AM
We will start gaining when The tigers play somebody better than the Cubs.:D: The Tigers are very good ... we are better.

Flight #24
06-17-2006, 11:17 AM
2d half of the season. I don't believe that Rogers can stave off his 2d half slowdown of the past few years, or that Verlander can maintain as he approaches 200IP, or that all 3 of Maggs, IRod, Guillen can stay healthy and productive given their injury history.

Combine that with the usual "dog days" and a tough August schedule and I expect the Sox to begin picking up ground after the ASB and develop a decent division lead in August.

Tigers are for real in terms of their talent & ability. But I don't believe that they have the offensive depth, and unlike last year's Sox team, they're relying on a guy without a history of any significant workload (Verlander) and a guy with a significant history of hot starts and slow finishes (Rogers).

Crede_Fan
06-17-2006, 11:19 AM
It seems all we do is win win win and all detroit does is win win win.
When are we going to gain ground?
When do you experts see the season really turning for us?

Bet that's the same question Tiger fans are asking. Except they are asking when are they going to get some breathing room.

Could you imagine last year winning at the rate the Sox were and only having a 1.5 game lead on the Indians?

MrRoboto83
06-17-2006, 11:48 AM
Baby Steps. That is the answer to all life's questions.

DickAllen72
06-17-2006, 11:49 AM
We'll have to wait at least until after the Tigers sweep the Cubs.

Lip Man 1
06-17-2006, 12:47 PM
This figures to go down to the end. One factor that may come into play (and I don't know what Detroit's September schedule looks like) is the fact the Sox don't have a lot of September home games.

They do finish their head to head with Detroit in Chicago though so that helps...on the other end the last week of the season finds Detroit at home against Kansas City (I think) and Toronto while the Sox have to go TO Minnesota and Cleveland.

Not good.

As the early poster said, just get to the post season it doesn't matter how. The Sox have two chances to do this.

Lip

viagracat
06-17-2006, 01:20 PM
Probably not this weekend. :D:

voodoochile
06-17-2006, 01:37 PM
The Sox are about 10 miles into the marathon that every baseball season is. If you are worrying about being in first place at this stage of the game, you may just burn yourself out.

Take care of our business and the rest will work itself out.

oeo
06-17-2006, 01:40 PM
The Sox are about 10 miles into the marathon that every baseball season is. If you are worrying about being in first place at this stage of the game, you may just burn yourself out.

Take care of our business and the rest will work itself out.

Exactly. Just don't dig a hole that you can't dig out of. As long as we're close, that's not good for the Tigers.

Ol' No. 2
06-17-2006, 03:10 PM
Let's put it this way: Which team has the better chance of continuing to play at the present pace? That's really all the Sox have to do. Keep winning and everything else takes care of itself.

Hitmen77
06-17-2006, 03:10 PM
It seems all we do is win win win and all detroit does is win win win.
When are we going to gain ground?
When do you experts see the season really turning for us?

Did you really expect us to gain any ground while the Tigers are playing the DRays and the Cubs? Just be happy that the Sox have managed to keep pace this week while playing two very good teams.

Think about how the Tigers must feel. They've been playing lights-out, outstanding baseball. They've really been giving it 100%. The Sox on the other hand, until the last week or so have been sort of scuffling with defensive lapses, offensive lapses, inconsistent starting pitching, bullpen issues, and 2 starters hitting less than .200. ...... and yet the Tigers hold only a 1.5 game lead on us.

I have really been encouraged at how the Sox have played since dropping that series at home to the Rangers. They're starting to look like last year's team. If they can keep this up, the Sox will slowly but surely gain ground.

cbotnyse
06-17-2006, 03:17 PM
The Sox are about 10 miles into the marathon that every baseball season is. If you are worrying about being in first place at this stage of the game, you may just burn yourself out.

Take care of our business and the rest will work itself out.
I enjoy burning myself out. :cool: There is always the offseason to wind down.
It is getting a little frustrating however. It seems like we are playing well and going no where. But yes it is early and we have many many other opportunities to take this division.

every game aganist Detroit this year should be played with the intesity of a playoff game.

oeo
06-17-2006, 03:22 PM
Let's put it this way: Which team has the better chance of continuing to play at the present pace? That's really all the Sox have to do. Keep winning and everything else takes care of itself.
The Tigers have only lost 1 game to a bad team, I think. And really get slapped around by the good ones. It's good that they're beating the bad teams, but even against those teams, you're not going to be able to keep that pace. Eventually it will begin to even out and those bad teams are going to win some. Look at the Sox last year; they brought an undefeated record against the Royals into July. They couldn't keep it up, no team can.

I still don't think the Tigers will keep this up, but that's just me.

Ol' No. 2
06-17-2006, 03:27 PM
The Tigers have only lost 1 game to a bad team, I think. And really get slapped around by the good ones. It's good that they're beating the bad teams, but even against those teams, you're not going to be able to keep that pace. Eventually it will begin to even out and those bad teams are going to win some. Look at the Sox last year; they brought an undefeated record against the Royals into July. They couldn't keep it up, no team can.

I still don't think the Tigers will keep this up, but that's just me.No, it's not.:cool:

batmanZoSo
06-17-2006, 03:29 PM
The Sox seem to have the Tigers' number still, so head to head should take care of it if the Tigers don't hit the skids at all this year. And I personally think they will to some degree. Also, we haven't seen the best of the White Sox yet, either. We're due for a hot month like the Tigers had at some point this year and it has the potential to be even better than what they had.

patbooyah
06-17-2006, 04:22 PM
No, it's not.:cool:

i don't think they will either. not only is rogers a crappy second half pitcher, but robertson had a terrible second half last year as well.

ondafarm
06-17-2006, 06:16 PM
If the Sox take care of their business and just work on winning every series, then all will be fine.

IronFisk
06-17-2006, 06:36 PM
We'll probably start gaining ground when the Tigers lose and we win.

http://www.lca-uk.org/images/puregenius.jpg

ViPeRx007
06-17-2006, 10:20 PM
Or when we win and they don't play...or when they lose and we don't play....

http://www.silvertekdesign.com/images/brilliant1.jpg

markopat
06-18-2006, 12:01 AM
:threadsucks

ChiSoxFan7
06-18-2006, 12:04 AM
We'll probably start gaining ground when the Tigers lose and we win.

love it.

Foulke You
06-18-2006, 06:05 PM
They do finish their head to head with Detroit in Chicago though so that helps...on the other end the last week of the season finds Detroit at home against Kansas City (I think) and Toronto while the Sox have to go TO Minnesota and Cleveland.

Not good.

Lip
Well, while the Tigers facing KC sucks, they are ending the season against Toronto which could be a good thing. Toronto figures to be in a heated division race with the Yanks and Red Sox all the way to the end so those 3 games could be just as meaningful to them as they will be to the Tigers.

However, on the flip side, Cleveland would like nothing better than to exact some revenge and dash our playoff hopes as we did to them last year. It should be an exciting race to the end.

Railsplitter
06-18-2006, 08:28 PM
When are we going to gain ground?


Head to head.

Deuce
06-18-2006, 08:48 PM
:cleo

"I know de exact date, mon. Call me now!!!"

GOGOGOPODS
06-18-2006, 09:35 PM
When we play the Tigers.... that is when we will gain ground. We shouldn't worry so much what Detroit does in their games, but should worry about doing our own buisness first. Yes it is nice to see other teams beat Detroit, but we need to worry about our Sox winning first and take care of buisness. All we need to do is keep winning and stay hot, and just win the games when we play Detroit like we have so far this season.

But damn't, couldn't the Cubs win at least one? :angry:

lths06
06-18-2006, 10:02 PM
Yea, def not getting any help from the Cubs. Detroit rolled over them like they were a AAA team (which they do play like).

Frankly Missing
06-19-2006, 12:38 AM
I think the Brewers will bring the Kitties back to earth.

BRDSR
06-19-2006, 12:48 AM
However, on the flip side, Cleveland would like nothing better than to exact some revenge and dash our playoff hopes as we did to them last year. It should be an exciting race to the end.

I would be very surprised if the Wild Card doesn't come from the Central this year. I think that both the Sox and Tigers will have a playoff spot locked up by the last week of the season. I'd rather win the division though.

Frater Perdurabo
06-19-2006, 08:11 AM
Only Dark Clouds, Pants Pissers and the terminally stupid fail to realize that a team only has to be in first place on ONE day - the last day of the season, after all games have been played.
:rolleyes:

Until then, enjoy the ride!
:supernana:

Vernam
06-19-2006, 09:33 AM
Only Dark Clouds, Pants Pissers and the terminally stupid fail to realize that a team only has to be in first place on ONE day - the last day of the season, after all games have been played.
:rolleyes:

Until then, enjoy the ride!
:supernana:I won't name names, but the guys whose seats are on either side of us seem to think the Sox should never trail in a game, much less in the standings. Seriously, it's like wrist-slitting time when the visiting team scores first. God forbid Garland or Garcia gives up a few runs, because they're automatically assumed to a.) lack competitive fire, and/or b.) have lost 10 miles off their fastballs. :rolleyes: I like my seat neighbors overall, but the negativity gets to me. Let's see: We've paid for season tickets, the team is coming off a world championship with good chances of another, so . . . we have no choice but to be utterly miserable unless every game we look like the Tigers pounding the Cubs.

Vernam

esbrechtel
06-19-2006, 09:42 AM
honestly the tigers werent playing that well against teams over .500..... plus alot of teams play us tougher because they know we are good....more teams are mentally prepared to face us so they give us a tougher time (toronto for example...they have played us really tough)....i have a feeling the tigers will cool off eventually and the sox win the division. i like that we are in a tough division then i dont have to hear cub fans bitch about how hard theirs is...

russ99
06-19-2006, 09:46 AM
Patience, my young apprentice...

http://www.isi.edu/isd/yoda/Yoda.JPG

The Sox are really coming together right now, I think Ozzie's hissie fit in Texas worked.

comet2k
06-19-2006, 09:57 AM
A year ago, the Sox were 47-22, 3 games ahead of where they are now. That's still great baseball, and there's potential to do better (Uribe, Anderson, the bullpen)..

They went 31-28 in the last two months of 2005 and could easily improve on that this year. And just like the Sox cooled off, the Tigers will probably do the same.

Thome25
06-19-2006, 10:06 AM
The White Sox should gain some ground when the Tigers have another stretch of games with teams that have winning records.

The Tigers have been getting fat off a cream-puff schedule. The didn't play well in that stretch against the Yankmees, Blow Sox, and White Sox.

It seems like when we're playing the good teams, They're playing Tampa Bay, Kansas City, and The Flubs.

I might be going out on a limb here and it's probably still a little early to say this but, it's my honest opinion. Everyone keeps saying the 2006 Tigers remind them of the 2005 White Sox but this is what I think:

2006 Tigers=2005 Orioles.

Remember, the Orioles were leading the AL east for a good part of last season.

Lyle Mouton
06-19-2006, 10:14 AM
no way, there's something different about the tigers as opposed to the orioles of last year...i think they'll hang around and get the wild card, but after the all star break the cream will rise to the top

Jurr
06-19-2006, 10:21 AM
It's great to see the Tigers working on keeping the AL East out of the Wild Card. I'm still convinced that the Sox are going to win the division, so I'm not sweating the winning streaks by the Tigers. The more wins they get, the better they'll be for the wild card.

Detroit's pitching, as long as they all stay healthy, will keep them in it throughout the season. Leyland has a knack for getting the most out of his staff. The Sox match up so well against them...much better than the rest of the AL, because of the variety of our offense. It's going to be fun - much more fun than having a 20 game lead. Remember the Indians last year, folks...that team is solely responsible for giving the Sox the push they needed to be sharp for the playoffs.

IronFisk
06-19-2006, 11:13 AM
It's going to be fun - much more fun than having a 20 game lead. Remember the Indians last year, folks...that team is solely responsible for giving the Sox the push they needed to be sharp for the playoffs.

Exactly. After last year, it's good to have some pressure throughout. Not for us mind you, but for the team.

TornLabrum
06-19-2006, 11:45 AM
The Sox are really coming together right now, I think Ozzie's hissie fit in Texas worked.
Oh, nononononononono, not if you listen to Boers and Bernstein. Why just last Thursday and Friday they were telling us that Ozzie had lost the team, and they're just playing for themselves now and ignoring him because of his hissy fit.

1917
06-19-2006, 11:53 AM
After the All Star Break, DET plays 4 with the Royals, while we get the Yankees, thats going to be a tough one, we need a lead before then...I see the Sox taking full control in Sept....

ondafarm
06-19-2006, 12:04 PM
I was on a team that got swept by the last place team from the previous year. The manager and coaches called everyone together and told us, they played better than we did and we needed to get back to playing good baseball. Then each of the players got called in for a quick one-on-one on what we needed to work on. Mine was actually quite pointed, I needed to be a leader. We went out and won the next game, started winning series and pretty much buzzed thru the league. That team that beat us led wire to wire, always a little ahead of us. We finished third. We won our first playoff series and then took that team down in the championship series, 4 games to 1. Turns out they had five future major leaguers that year.

Ol' No. 2
06-19-2006, 12:14 PM
After the All Star Break, DET plays 4 with the Royals, while we get the Yankees, thats going to be a tough one, we need a lead before then...I see the Sox taking full control in Sept....It's not as if the Sox have done all that well against the Royals...

MRM
06-20-2006, 04:52 PM
It seems all we do is win win win and all detroit does is win win win.
When are we going to gain ground?
When do you experts see the season really turning for us?

The Sox are 8-2 over their last ten and LOST a game in the standings over that stretch. Amazing.

slobes
06-20-2006, 08:06 PM
Seems like we don't start gaining tonight. Though we have a 9-1 lead in the 3rd, the Tigers are also up by 8 in the 3rd inning. They're really starting to tick me off.

Hitmen77
06-20-2006, 08:30 PM
Can we just enjoy what our team is doing instead of worrying about the Tigers?

VASoxfan1
06-20-2006, 08:34 PM
I think the important thing right now is not really to worry about the whole how many games behind the tigers we are, 2 games over 162....not that many at all.

I agree with the people who say that they're going to struggle a bit through august and september, like the sox did last year, just a feeling (also cause were 5-1 against them).

But most importantly people need to be taking a look at how the tigers and the white sox stand up against the other top teams in the AL as of right now the sox have

3.5 games over the red sox
5.5 games over the yankees
6.5 games over oakland/texas

thats whats really important, both teams are running away with the AL

Skates
06-20-2006, 08:35 PM
Seems like we don't start gaining tonight. Though we have a 9-1 lead in the 3rd, the Tigers are also up by 8 in the 3rd inning. They're really starting to tick me off.

I completely agree, it seems like they come out the same nights we do!

It's 10-0 in the 6th for Detroit...

batmanZoSo
06-20-2006, 08:53 PM
I completely agree, it seems like they come out the same nights we do!

It's 10-0 in the 6th for Detroit...

The Sox look like they're firing on all cylinders finally, so look out if that's the case. Garland and Uribe are key players that we've been missing all year and it's early, but they both seem to be getting hot. Stay tuned. I think at one point the Sox will get red hot for a month and build a 5 game lead or more. It could be starting now.

kevin57
06-21-2006, 09:34 AM
When Detroit starts playing some top-tiered teams. I understand that they are 15-2 against MIN. and KC. Eventually, they'll have to play the Yanks and BSox.

That said, I don't think we will ever see a lead of 10+ games this year. I anticipate we'll have a decent lead over Detroit in September, not sooner.

rdwj
06-21-2006, 09:46 PM
Hold on, I think the ride is starting

Lip Man 1
06-21-2006, 10:08 PM
Kevin:

They have already played New York and Boston. Their record is 2-5 against them and those games were in Detroit.

Lip

TornLabrum
06-21-2006, 10:20 PM
In answer to the original question in this thread: TONIGHT.

CRAW
06-21-2006, 10:41 PM
In answer to the original question in this thread: TONIGHT.

Ba-lieve it! The divisional title is ours to molest!