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caulfield12
06-16-2006, 09:35 PM
Contreras 9 for 11
Buehrle 9 for 14
Haeger 0 for 1
Vazquez 7 for 13
Garcia 8 for 14 (seems high, maybe those bad starts were more memorable, tonight was pretty darn close to a QS)
Garland 6 for 13
McCarthy 0 for 1


Totals...39 for 67 (58%)

What was the rate last year for starters, closer to 75%?

sox1970
06-16-2006, 10:17 PM
Contreras 9 for 11
Buehrle 9 for 14
Haeger 0 for 1
Vazquez 7 for 13
Garcia 8 for 14 (seems high, maybe those bad starts were more memorable, tonight was pretty darn close to a QS)
Garland 6 for 13
McCarthy 0 for 1


Totals...39 for 67 (58%)

What was the rate last year for starters, closer to 75%?

The Sox had 95 quality starts in 2005. 58.6%. Look familiar?

santo=dorf
06-16-2006, 10:25 PM
QS is very flawed. 6 IP, 3 ER = 4.5 ERA and a QS
Tonight Garcia went 8 IP, 4 ER = 4.5 ERA but not a QS

Dan Mega
06-16-2006, 10:56 PM
QS is very flawed. 6 IP, 3 ER = 4.5 ERA and a QS
Tonight Garcia went 8 IP, 4 ER = 4.5 ERA but not a QS

I agree. Garcia didn't make many mistakes tonight. He looked sharp. Cincy did its job taking advantage of some of those mistakes. He still had a solid start.

Tragg
06-17-2006, 12:56 AM
I think we still lead the league in them.

sox1970
06-17-2006, 06:33 AM
I think we still lead the league in them.

The Tigers lead with 43 quality starts. The Sox are second with 38.

Mickster
06-17-2006, 10:06 AM
QS is very flawed. 6 IP, 3 ER = 4.5 ERA and a QS
Tonight Garcia went 8 IP, 4 ER = 4.5 ERA but not a QS

Isn't a quality start 7 IP and 3 ER or less?

Edit: Found the answer. It is 6 IP.

caulfield12
06-17-2006, 11:55 AM
I was surprised that Buehrle was relatively close to Garcia and Vazquez.

Then again, all of our starters have been fantastically inconsistent, with the exception of Contreras, and he struggled a couple of times coming out of his stint on the DL.

It seems like we're not completely sure what we are going to get out of our starters....OG keeps waiting for that playoff type of run through the rotation.

Garcia's explanation was that he was responding to the velocity criticism by throwing too hard (94) instead of going to his more effective slider and offspeed stuff. I think he heard the whispers about WBC and velocity and wanted to prove he could still throw hard, but, as with Felix Hernandez getting lit up last night on a 98 MPH fastball by Bonds, every MLB hitter can hit a fastball or they wouldn't be in the bigs.

The recent signs with Garland are optimistic of a turnaround, and I think we will have to live with the inconsistency of Vazquez, which is, as all Sox fans know, much better than living with Wright, Porzio and J. Stewart.

batmanZoSo
06-17-2006, 04:36 PM
QS is very flawed. 6 IP, 3 ER = 4.5 ERA and a QS
Tonight Garcia went 8 IP, 4 ER = 4.5 ERA but not a QS

I agree. Quality start is a pretty subjective thing. I don't dismiss it though, I think it has some validity.

Overall the rotation has underachieved slightly, that's the most important thing. And a big positive is that despite that fact, they're throwing QS's at the same rate as they did last year. Just wait until the talent evens things out, we're looking good.