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Jaffar
06-15-2006, 12:07 PM
Just reported on ESPN 1000

BeviBall!
06-15-2006, 12:08 PM
Just reported on ESPN 1000

Underwhelming to say the least. Now, who will Crede hit his September HRs off of?

JUribe1989
06-15-2006, 12:10 PM
Riske to the pen, NOW! All we had to give up was Javier Lopez? Riske has a 3.72 ERA. This is a great trade if true IMO.

Jaffar
06-15-2006, 12:10 PM
When I heard the deal I was like former Indian Riske...Woo Hoo!!

ilsox7
06-15-2006, 12:12 PM
Riske to the pen, NOW! All we had to give up was Javier Lopez? Riske has a 3.72 ERA. This is a great trade if true IMO.

Assuming he wasn't on the DL for anything serious, I like it. Career ERA of 3.55. Career BAA of .227. He's only 29.

Anyone know any other specifics.

buehrle4cy05
06-15-2006, 12:13 PM
I've never been much of a Riske fan, but if all we had to do was give up an AAAA reliever, it's a good trade. Can't be worse than Politte.

Chip Z'nuff
06-15-2006, 12:13 PM
nevermind

SoxFan78
06-15-2006, 12:14 PM
I have been waiting for this move ever since I saw this guy in Cleveland. I just mentioned to my girlfriend the other day, I cant wait till this guy gets on the Sox, just so I can get his jersey.

Im so excited right now, I wish I had his jersey now so I could wear it to Cincy this weekend.

Oh yeah, the reason im so excited, we share the same last name, and football number!

rowand33
06-15-2006, 12:16 PM
0-1 with a 2.08 ERA since coming off the DL. Last 6 IP were scoreless.

Apparently went on the DL with a back injury. I wonder if boston knows something we don't; it seems they gave him up too cheaply.

1917
06-15-2006, 12:16 PM
He was there closer for awhile....kinda dorky looking guy, but he'll do

ilsox7
06-15-2006, 12:17 PM
More Stats:

2003
ERA - 2.29
BAA - .196

2004
ERA - 3.72
BAA - .240

2005
ERA - 3.10
BAA - .208

All American League numbers. So why does this seem too good to be true?

EDIT: A ton of walks in 2004, but cut them down significantly last year. Makes $1.8MM.

Madvora
06-15-2006, 12:18 PM
Yeah, last 4 games he threw scoreless innings. We can get some use out of him. His numbers look good, plus.... add Don Cooper into the equation and his ERA will be down to 1.49 by July.

Jaffar
06-15-2006, 12:18 PM
It's good to see KW not waiting and going out early to fill holes. If healthy I won't mind Riske one bit.

twsoxfan5
06-15-2006, 12:18 PM
I am not jumping up and down but I like the trade. This is what we needed, some veteran inning eaters.

CHISOXFAN13
06-15-2006, 12:20 PM
Color me confused as to why people in this thread aren't happy about this deal.

Our bluppen has been below average all season, so you get a guy with a sub 4 career ERA and people aren't excited? Wow.

I guess some people fell in love with Lopez' number in AAA, but come on.

stl_sox_fan
06-15-2006, 12:20 PM
Risk(e) Management?

It's Gold Jerry!!! Gold!!!
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At least we hope it is...

Beer Can Chicken
06-15-2006, 12:21 PM
Decent trade. Probably the REAL reason Tracey was sent down yesterday.

DaleJRFan
06-15-2006, 12:21 PM
2006 Salary: $1,800,000

not too shabby.. Red Sox needed LHP help, so this makes sense for them too.

itsnotrequired
06-15-2006, 12:22 PM
Reported anywhere other than ESPN 1000?

No discussion over at redsoxnation.com

ilsox7
06-15-2006, 12:22 PM
Color me confused as to why people in this thread aren't happy about this deal.

Our bluppen has been below average all season, so you get a guy with a sub 4 career ERA and people aren't excited? Wow.

I guess some people fell in love with Lopez' number in AAA, but come on.

This seems like a really, really good move. I am searching for some reason not to love it. Anyone got a reason?

Ol' No. 2
06-15-2006, 12:23 PM
0-1 with a 2.08 ERA since coming off the DL. Last 6 IP were scoreless.

Apparently went on the DL with a back injury. I wonder if boston knows something we don't; it seems they gave him up too cheaply.I was thinking the same thing. You don't trade a solid reliever for a AAA player. Maybe they're just desperate for a lefty, but it still seems kinda one-sided.

rowand33
06-15-2006, 12:24 PM
This seems like a really, really good move. I am searching for some reason not to love it. Anyone got a reason?

I like it a lot, but it just seems too good to be true. I don't really see what's in it for the BoSox.

I'm waiting for more confirmation on this before I get too excited.

Ol' No. 2
06-15-2006, 12:24 PM
Decent trade. Probably the REAL reason Tracey was sent down yesterday.Or the reason they sent him out to drill Blaylock. They knew he was going down anyway.

itsnotrequired
06-15-2006, 12:24 PM
I was thinking the same thing. You don't trade a solid reliever for a AAA player. Maybe they're just desperate for a lefty, but it still seems kinda one-sided.

A salary dump? I can't imagine the Red Sox have some type of financial constraint...

ilsox7
06-15-2006, 12:26 PM
I was thinking the same thing. You don't trade a solid reliever for a AAA player. Maybe they're just desperate for a lefty, but it still seems kinda one-sided.

Either Boston knows something or it is the lefty factor. It would not surprise me if it is the lefty factor, given how difficult good ones are to find. With Cotts hopefully coming back to form and Thornton solidifying his spot in the pen, we are actually pretty much set from the left side down there. So maybe it's one of those deals that makes sense all around. Except, of course, Riske has proved himself on the major league level. :cool:

Beer Can Chicken
06-15-2006, 12:26 PM
Or the reason they sent him out to drill Blaylock. They knew he was going down anyway.

ah, the big picture!

DaleJRFan
06-15-2006, 12:26 PM
I was thinking the same thing. You don't trade a solid reliever for a AAA player. Maybe they're just desperate for a lefty, but it still seems kinda one-sided.

The fact that the four lefthanded relief pitchers the Red Sox have used this year all have 6+ ERAs might explain it...

MushMouth
06-15-2006, 12:27 PM
Color me confused as to why people in this thread aren't happy about this deal.

Our bluppen has been below average all season, so you get a guy with a sub 4 career ERA and people aren't excited? Wow.

I guess some people fell in love with Lopez' number in AAA, but come on.
Well, I'm not overjoyed, it seems like a decent move, but I HATE HATE HATE to give up solid, innings-eating starting pitchers for anything but the same. Riske better come in and pitch his butt off.


hahahaha - christmas - I read this as Javy Vaz!!! bwaak. OMG, I'm gonna go back to work.

INSox56
06-15-2006, 12:27 PM
The fact that the four lefthanded relief pitchers the Red Sox have used this year all have 6+ ERAs might explain it...

LOL

sullythered
06-15-2006, 12:27 PM
If there isn't something fishy going on, this is an absolutely phenominal deal. Riske is just the type of guy it's usually really hard to accquire during the season, a proven, solid relief pitcher.

DaleJRFan
06-15-2006, 12:27 PM
ah, the big picture!

I don't think you've been here long enough to know that Ol' No.2 is WSI's voice of reason. :cool:

Ol' No. 2
06-15-2006, 12:27 PM
A salary dump? I can't imagine the Red Sox have some type of financial constraint...The Red Sox have only one lefty on their 25-man roster and he's only had one so-so appearance as a starter. Maybe they were just desperate for a lefty, but it still seems like a pretty steep price.

INSox56
06-15-2006, 12:28 PM
Well, I'm not overjoyed, it seems like a decent move, but I HATE HATE HATE to give up solid, innings-eating starting pitchers for anything but the same. Riske better come in and pitch his butt off.

Lopez was a reliever, was he not?

infohawk
06-15-2006, 12:28 PM
Reported anywhere other than ESPN 1000?

No discussion over at redsoxnation.com
I haven't heard anything on the SCORE yet.

sullythered
06-15-2006, 12:29 PM
Well, I'm not overjoyed, it seems like a decent move, but I HATE HATE HATE to give up solid, innings-eating starting pitchers for anything but the same. Riske better come in and pitch his butt off.
When the heck was Javier Lopez EVER going to be a starting pitcher for the White Sox?:?:

infohawk
06-15-2006, 12:32 PM
Offman just gave his scoreboard update on the SCORE and said nothing about a trade. Something smells very fishy here.

MushMouth
06-15-2006, 12:33 PM
When the heck was Javier Lopez EVER going to be a starting pitcher for the White Sox?:?:

I edited my original, I haven't eaten lunch yet, therefore don't know what's going on... :redface:

DaleJRFan
06-15-2006, 12:33 PM
The Red Sox have only one lefty on their 25-man roster and he's only had one so-so appearance as a starter. Maybe they were just desperate for a lefty, but it still seems like a pretty steep price.

Abe Alvarez - 12.00 ERA
Mike Holtz - 16.20 ERA
Lenny DiNardo - 7.11 ERA

The trade makes sense ifor both teams, considering those stats - and that Riske has thrown less than 10 IP this year. Even if he is damaged goods - and "they" know something we don't, this was a good risk (no pun intended) to take for a AAAA side-armer...

itsnotrequired
06-15-2006, 12:34 PM
Offman just gave his scoreboard update on the SCORE and said nothing about a trade. Something smells very fishy here.

Still no activity on the Red Sox boards...

CHISOXFAN13
06-15-2006, 12:34 PM
Offman just gave his scoreboard update on the SCORE and said nothing about a trade. Something smells very fishy here.

I just tried to call Rongey to see if he could get in touch with someone at the Score but he apparently is still sleeping. I switched over to ESPN a minute ago and am waiting for the next update. I don't think Jaffar would make up a trade like this, though.

ilsox7
06-15-2006, 12:35 PM
I just tried to call Rongey to see if he could get in touch with someone at the Score but he apparently is still sleeping. I switched over to ESPN a minute ago and am waiting for the next update. I don't think Jaffar would make up a trade like this, though.

I think it'd be more a case of ESPN 1000 screwing this up.

Mickster
06-15-2006, 12:36 PM
If true, I likey. :praying:

Jaffar
06-15-2006, 12:36 PM
I just tried to call Rongey to see if he could get in touch with someone at the Score but he apparently is still sleeping. I switched over to ESPN a minute ago and am waiting for the next update. I don't think Jaffar would make up a trade like this, though.

Thanks for the support. It was reported by Bruce Levine during the Salisbury/Rosenbloom show. If Bruce was wrong on this like in the past please don't shoot the messenger!

sullythered
06-15-2006, 12:38 PM
I think it'd be more a case of ESPN 1000 screwing this up.
Yeah, I heard it on ESPN too. It was definitely reported. Only a matter of if the report is accurate. If it is, I think our skepticism is a good indication of the one-sidedness of the move.

DaleJRFan
06-15-2006, 12:38 PM
Thanks for the support. It was reported by Bruce Levine during the Salisbury/Rosenbloom show. If Bruce was wrong on this like in the past please don't shoot the messenger!

Bruce Levine usually is the first to break trade news... when he ISNT speculating, which is allways ridiculous "Wes Helms for Willie Harris" bull****. :cool:

infohawk
06-15-2006, 12:40 PM
Thanks for the support. It was reported by Bruce Levine during the Salisbury/Rosenbloom show. If Bruce was wrong on this like in the past please don't shoot the messenger!
It could be the case that the trade is close to being consumated and that is what is being reported.

itsnotrequired
06-15-2006, 12:41 PM
It could be the case that the trade is close to being consumated and that is what is being reported.

Perhaps contingent on passing a physical?

ilsox7
06-15-2006, 12:41 PM
It could be the case that the trade is close to being consumated and that is what is being reported.

It's Bruce Levine. We'll be lucky if he got the teams right. :cool:

CHISOXFAN13
06-15-2006, 12:41 PM
I just heard the ESPN 11:40 update, and it was the first thing reported. So we shall wait for another source to confirm it, I guess.

sullythered
06-15-2006, 12:41 PM
It could be the case that the trade is close to being consumated and that is what is being reported.
Nope, Levine reported that the trade was done. Now whether that is true, or not...

Jaffar
06-15-2006, 12:42 PM
It was reported as a done deal and that we should hear something from the Sox on it shortly.

Risk
06-15-2006, 12:42 PM
I like this deal, despite the fact that his last name is eerily too similar to my user name.

Risk

DaleJRFan
06-15-2006, 12:48 PM
Can I just say, that if legit, this deal kicks ass.

So Javier Lopez was a NRI and was given a minor league contract. In return he brings the Sox an effective major league RH relief pitcher, the team's biggest need?

But wait, its not Wednesday... :D:

tebman
06-15-2006, 12:51 PM
Can I just say, that if legit, this deal kicks ass.

But wait, its not Wednesday... :D:
Maybe KW closed the deal last night, officially making it Wednesday.

Like someone's sig says, when the Kenny's hungry, the Kenny eats. :cool:

BanditJimmy
06-15-2006, 12:53 PM
Well, Tracey will be leaving an open roster spot if he is sent down.

SouthSide_HitMen
06-15-2006, 12:53 PM
It's Bruce Levine. We'll be lucky if he got the teams right. :cool:

We'll be lucky if he gets the sport right. :D:

ilsox7
06-15-2006, 12:55 PM
We'll be lucky if he gets the sport right. :D:

:rolling:

Awesome.

Palehose13
06-15-2006, 12:56 PM
When did why sign/trade for Javy Lopez and why are we trading him? :cool:

SouthsideFathead
06-15-2006, 12:57 PM
man, i was scared...i read Javier and was thinking it said Vazquez...glad i reread it.

digdagdug23
06-15-2006, 01:01 PM
I did check the ESPN site for info, still nothing there, but they do have this REDICULOUS poll that directly relates to last night. The reason I post this here, one of the questions has something to do with Tracey being demoted relating to the non-plunk. Well, if this rumor is true, it totally debunks the reason behind Tracey's trip.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=2221

batmanZoSo
06-15-2006, 01:04 PM
He was there closer for awhile....kinda dorky looking guy, but he'll do
Yeah, I was really hoping for someone cuter. :kukoo:

:D:

Baby Fisk
06-15-2006, 01:06 PM
Yeah, I was really hoping for someone cuter. :kukoo:

:D:

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batmanZoSo
06-15-2006, 01:08 PM
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"My mom says I'm a catch, I'm popular!"

He's never last pick.

rdwj
06-15-2006, 01:18 PM
Being reported on the Score too - guess it's true!

ChiSoxLifer
06-15-2006, 01:20 PM
Riske was suspended for four games last year for intentionally hitting Ichiro. He'll be brought in tonight to get the job done right.

walrus
06-15-2006, 01:32 PM
my friend who works at mlb.com just told me they heard the deal is done

na_na_na_na
06-15-2006, 01:33 PM
nice move that is a good start to addressing the bullpen problems.

Ol' No. 2
06-15-2006, 01:44 PM
It's up.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060615&content_id=1506847&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

rdwj
06-15-2006, 01:47 PM
It's up.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060615&content_id=1506847&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

"The 6-foot-2, 180-pounder pitched in one game with the Red Sox this season before being placed on the 15-day disabled list with a lower back strain on April 12 (retro to April 5). Riske was activated on May 22 and has posted a 2.08 ERA (2 ER/8.2 IP) since his return."

Another bad back concerns me a tad, but that ERA since his return is pretty nice.

DaleJRFan
06-15-2006, 01:48 PM
Riske was suspended for four games last year for intentionally hitting Ichiro. He'll be brought in tonight to get the job done right.

He'll probably join the team in Cinci....

EDIT: from the chisox.com press release: "Riske is expected to join the White Sox Friday in Cincinnati."

SaltyPretzel
06-15-2006, 01:49 PM
Just looking at the Red Sox board, they don't seem too happy.

Ol' No. 2
06-15-2006, 01:51 PM
"The 6-foot-2, 180-pounder pitched in one game with the Red Sox this season before being placed on the 15-day disabled list with a lower back strain on April 12 (retro to April 5). Riske was activated on May 22 and has posted a 2.08 ERA (2 ER/8.2 IP) since his return."

Another bad back concerns me a tad, but that ERA since his return is pretty nice.Assuming they're not sandbagging, a lower back strain isn't a problem like a ruptured or bulging disk would be.

34 Inch Stick
06-15-2006, 01:51 PM
Will I be the first one to say that his bad back makes this a riske trade?

SoxSpeed22
06-15-2006, 01:53 PM
Good trade, if healthy.

tebman
06-15-2006, 01:54 PM
Will I be the first one to say that his bad back makes this a riske trade?
Ba-dum-bump!
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mjharrison72
06-15-2006, 01:56 PM
I've been keeping tabs on this kid since his Cleveland days... why he wasn't the heir apparent to Wickman is beyond me... maybe just too much money for them.
I'd like to sign on as a charter member of FODR.
Love this trade.:bandance:

Flight #24
06-15-2006, 01:58 PM
Interesting. SOSH seems to be of the opinion that he falls apart in tough situations and is more of a 6th-7th inning/mopup guy than anything. Although I recall him being a late man for the Tribe and occasional closer (albiet a flop at that).

Also interesting and maybe topical is that they gave up late Slams to LH hitters the past couple of days. Could be a reason why they make what on the surface is a lopsided deal.

thepaulbowski
06-15-2006, 01:59 PM
What is his contract status past this year? Is he a free agent?

Flight #24
06-15-2006, 01:59 PM
I've been keeping tabs on this kid since his Cleveland days... why he wasn't the heir apparent to Wickman is beyond me... maybe just too much money for them.
I'd like to sign on as a charter member of FODR.
Love this trade.:bandance:

IIRC, after he dominated as a setup guy, when Wickman was hurt a few years back, they tried him at closer and he flopped.

MeteorsSox4367
06-15-2006, 02:00 PM
If Riske can help in the pen - which I think he will - then I'm all for the trade. Plus, I'd like to thank him for giving up one of the most memorable bombs in Sox history to Crede.

Just to hear Hawk going nuts...ah, good memories.

DaleJRFan
06-15-2006, 02:00 PM
Also interesting and maybe topical is that they gave up late Slams to LH hitters the past couple of days. Could be a reason why they make what on the surface is a lopsided deal.

Lopez isn't bad, geez. He's considerably better than any other of their LHP options prior to this trade. Riske was the most expendable arm in their BP, being a throw-in in the Coco Crisp trade.

Ol' No. 2
06-15-2006, 02:01 PM
If you're scoring at home (or even if you're by yourself), this makes one AAAA pitcher (Bajenaru) and one minor league free agent (Lopez) for Alex Cintron and David Riske.

Kenny has got to be practicing some kind of voodoo or something.

mbwhitesox
06-15-2006, 02:03 PM
I love this trade. Javier Lopez was putting up some great #s in AAA, which is probably why the BoSox were interested in him, but he really had no place in our pen since we have two solid lefties in Cotts and Thorton.

IIRC we picked up Lopez as a NRI and have just aquired a proven major league reliver for him. KW amazes me a little bit more everyday. :thumbsup:

Fake Chet Lemon
06-15-2006, 02:03 PM
Cliff Politte can't be too happy.

Ol' No. 2
06-15-2006, 02:05 PM
What is his contract status past this year? Is he a free agent?5+ years of service time, so he'll be entering his first FA year after the season. But it's not like he's going to break the bank if they want to re-sign him. Unless he resigns.:tongue:

oeo
06-15-2006, 02:06 PM
Cliff Politte can't be too happy.
Why? Cliff can stop being a set-up guy, I'm sure he's probably happy. Move Cliff back to 6th/7th inning and he may be dominate again.

What a trade...Kenny is the man.

EDIT: Could this be the real reason Tracey was sent down last night?

russ99
06-15-2006, 02:08 PM
Kenny has got to be practicing some kind of voodoo or something.

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SABRSox
06-15-2006, 02:14 PM
Apparently, this is the second time that Theo Epstein has acquired Javier Lopez. The first was as a Rule V pick in 2002, I believe.

kidmccarthy
06-15-2006, 02:15 PM
What is really good about this deal is in the 8+ innings since his return from the DL, he has about a 2 ERA. That is something I think we all can live with. If he works out, we may just be able to turnaround the corner of the pen issues.

DeadMoney
06-15-2006, 02:16 PM
Apparently, this is the second time that Theo Epstein has acquired Javier Lopez. The first was as a Rule V pick in 2002, I believe.

Yep.


June 2, 1998: Drafted by the Arizona Diamondbacks (http://www.baseballreference.com/teams/ARI/1998.shtml) in the 4th round of the 1998 amateur draft.

December 16, 2002: Drafted by the Boston Red Sox (http://www.baseballreference.com/teams/BOS/2002.shtml) from the Arizona Diamondbacks (http://www.baseballreference.com/teams/ARI/2002.shtml) in the 2002 rule V draft.

March 18, 2003: Traded by the Boston Red Sox (http://www.baseballreference.com/teams/BOS/2003.shtml) to the Colorado Rockies (http://www.baseballreference.com/teams/COL/2003.shtml) for a player to be named later. The Colorado Rockies (http://www.baseballreference.com/teams/COL/2003.shtml) sent Ryan Cameron (minors) (March 29, 2003) to the Boston Red Sox (http://www.baseballreference.com/teams/BOS/2003.shtml) to complete the trade.

http://www.baseballreference.com/l/lopezja02.shtml

Chipol
06-15-2006, 02:25 PM
Also note that Matt Skrmetta was brought in for the Knights a couple days ago. Wouldn't be surprised if it was connected.

Hitmen77
06-15-2006, 02:33 PM
Cliff Politte can't be too happy.

Cliff would easily take Montero's spot on the roster if he returns to health and can return to anything remotely close to the pitcher he was last year.

CubsfansareDRUNK
06-15-2006, 02:42 PM
mabye i'm stupid, but could somebody please define "LOOGY"? Is it just a left-handed underhand pitcher?

seventyseven
06-15-2006, 02:46 PM
LOOGY = Left-Handed One Out Guy

SouthSide_HitMen
06-15-2006, 02:48 PM
I did check the ESPN site for info, still nothing there, but they do have this REDICULOUS poll that directly relates to last night. The reason I post this here, one of the questions has something to do with Tracey being demoted relating to the non-plunk. Well, if this rumor is true, it totally debunks the reason behind Tracey's trip.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=2221

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CubsfansareDRUNK
06-15-2006, 02:50 PM
LOOGY = Left-Handed One Out Guy

ah. Thanks for clearing that up.

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IlliniSox4Life
06-15-2006, 03:02 PM
Looks like a good move with little downside and a lot of upside. Lopez is definately was not being counted on to be a part of our future (at least not strongly), and Riske could help us greatly this year and in the future. The only risk is his back, and Kenny seems to know trading for guys with back risks (see: Thome, Jim).

SOXandILLINI
06-15-2006, 03:27 PM
anyone who questions this deal isn't thinking straight...imo. first of all, it makes sense for the bo sox, who struggle mightily as far as left handed bullpen help. they are now stocked with righties down there, one who was a proven closer, and papelbon, who has been tremendous. and as far as we're concerned, look at the numbers, riske can flat out pitch. lopez wasn't going anywhere in our organization. i'm thrilled he was having a good year this year, because if you look at his career numbers, they stink. barring injury, riske is a very nice pickup.

Vince
06-15-2006, 04:58 PM
This is a good trade. I was wondering how KW was going to shore up the pen without trading anything we really, really want to keep.

California Sox
06-15-2006, 05:09 PM
Good trade for both teams. We definitely needed right-handed depth. Boston needs a leftie and Lopez is not a AAA pitcher, so it's good for him as well.

The only potential drawback is we could be helping a potential playoff opponent, but that cuts both ways.

ilsox7
06-15-2006, 05:13 PM
Good trade for both teams. We definitely needed right-handed depth. Boston needs a leftie and Lopez is not a AAA pitcher, so it's good for him as well.

The only potential drawback is we could be helping a potential playoff opponent, but that cuts both ways.

Lopez has had zero success on the major league level.

Ol' No. 2
06-15-2006, 05:25 PM
Lopez has had zero success on the major league level.Maybe he can help us after all...

ilsox7
06-15-2006, 05:26 PM
Maybe he can help us after all...

Seriously, that may be true. As it stands, he is the guy in Boston when it comes to getting a big out against a lefty, aka Thome.

whitesoxfan
06-15-2006, 05:31 PM
Good deal for us IMO.

Ol' No. 2
06-15-2006, 05:34 PM
Seriously, that may be true. As it stands, he is the guy in Boston when it comes to getting a big out against a lefty, aka Thome.Any bets on whether he's still on the roster by the time July 7 rolls around?

BNLSox
06-15-2006, 05:37 PM
I've always been anti players with bad names for their role. Riske was always a prime example in that you don't want to take a Risk when it comes to holding a lead. I think Plunk, Lohse, and Putz are also good examples of this.

That being said, he is a vet and will be a welcomed addition to the BP. Slight thread hijack: Whats Hermy's latest status? I haven't heard anything about his back since April.

ilsox7
06-15-2006, 05:37 PM
Any bets on whether he's still on the roster by the time July 7 rolls around?

That's only 3 weeks or so away, so I say yes.

Max Power
06-15-2006, 05:53 PM
That being said, he is a vet and will be a welcomed addition to the BP. Slight thread hijack: Whats Hermy's latest status? I haven't heard anything about his back since April.

There was an article about his status in the Tribune a day or two ago. No one sounded particularly optimistic about his return. There is a good chance that we've seen the last of him.

Lip Man 1
06-15-2006, 06:14 PM
I have no problems with this deal. What have the Sox lost? A career four A player for a guy who's had big league experience.

The start of what I hope, is a total of three deals, to rebuild the bullpen for the stretch run.

Lip

Chips
06-15-2006, 07:40 PM
I have no problems with this deal. What have the Sox lost? A career four A player for a guy who's had big league experience.

The start of what I hope, is a total of three deals, to rebuild the bullpen for the stretch run.

Lip

Great deal. I love trading prospects.

DaleJRFan
06-15-2006, 07:47 PM
Great deal. I love trading prospects.

:?: Chips, was Lopez a prospect?? :D:

TDog
06-15-2006, 07:58 PM
I've always been anti players with bad names for their role. Riske was always a prime example in that you don't want to take a Risk when it comes to holding a lead. I think Plunk, Lohse, and Putz are also good examples of this.....

You mean like pitchers Grant Balfour or Bob Walk?

This is the smartest sort of deal to make for bullpen help, though. Both sides are trading pitching, hoping for something better. Sometimes relievers do better with a new club (see Jose Vizcaino going to DBacks from White Sox), and sometime they do not (see Jose Vizcaino coming to the White Sox from Brewers).

With relievers especially, you never know what you're getting.

MisterB
06-15-2006, 07:58 PM
Maybe he can help us after all...

...in that Tony 'Wicket' Graffanino kinda way...:cool:

Chips
06-15-2006, 08:14 PM
:?: Chips, was Lopez a prospect?? :D:

Substitue minor leaguer for prospect and we're in business.

chaotic8512
06-15-2006, 08:23 PM
You mean like pitchers Grant Balfour or Bob Walk?

This is the smartest sort of deal to make for bullpen help, though. Both sides are trading pitching, hoping for something better. Sometimes relievers do better with a new club (see Luis Vizcaino going to DBacks from White Sox), and sometime they do not (see Luis Vizcaino coming to the White Sox from Brewers).

With relievers especially, you never know what you're getting.

Fixed. :tongue:

A. Cavatica
06-15-2006, 08:49 PM
This is a good deal for all concerned, not a steal for us as some suggested.

Lopez's value was at an all-time high. What did he have, a 0.39 ERA and double-digit saves at Charlotte? He deserves another big-league shot but we need a righty in the pen, not another lefty. It will be interesting to see if he's learned how to get big-league hitters out.

For Boston, it's not just about trading a righty for a lefty. Francona had lost confidence in Riske and wasn't using him. I don't think this is a Rauch- or Tracey-style player dump, because it's not clear what Riske did and because Epstein is not vindictive like KW, but obviously the Red Sox needed to move him.

For what it's worth, Peter Gammons said KW was trying to get Seanez but the Red Sox didn't want to give him up.

DSpivack
06-15-2006, 10:54 PM
Just made his LOOGY debut against Justin Morneau.

Gives up a walk to lefty Morneau, then a run-scoring single to righty Torii Hunter; inherited a runner on first. Morneau thrown out at third, Hunter safe at first. Righty Kubel grounds out to end the inning on a double play.

Tragg
06-15-2006, 11:07 PM
Boston was desparate for a lefty....Riske was surplus for them, so they are giving it a shot..

We just needed a competent arm.

santo=dorf
06-15-2006, 11:47 PM
You mean like pitchers Grant Balfour or Bob Walk?

This is the smartest sort of deal to make for bullpen help, though. Both sides are trading pitching, hoping for something better. Sometimes relievers do better with a new club (see Jose Vizcaino going to DBacks from White Sox), and sometime they do not (see Jose Vizcaino coming to the White Sox from Brewers).

With relievers especially, you never know what you're getting.
It's Luis, not Jose.

So it's possible if Riske doesn't re-sign with us after this season, we can get draft picks.

The obsession with former Indians continues........

Theo is totally clueless. He signs Renteria to a fat contract, trades him and a TON of cash for Andy Marte. Trades a prospect for Dead arm mota. Trades Mota and Marte for Crisp, Riske and Bard. Trades Bard and a prospect and more cash for a catcher he already traded in the offseason. Trades Riske for a minor league contract.
I don't even want to try to add up the net result. :nuts:

johnnyg83
06-16-2006, 01:22 AM
some Riske Bidness, if ya ask my opine!

fuzzy_patters
06-16-2006, 01:40 AM
Cliff Politte has been throwing better in his side sessions and is expected back next week. Brandon McCarthy has been pitching well lately as has Matt Thornton. Neal Cotts is a quality pitcher, and Bobby Jenks is a stud. Adding Riske and Politte, and this sounds like a good bullpen to me. Leave it to KW to turn a weakness into a strength.

lostletters
06-16-2006, 02:33 AM
By the way KW confirmed Tracey was sent down to make room for Riske.

Also this is an INCREDIBLE trade. KW traded a guy who never proved himself in MLB, but was doing fantastic in AAA, for one of the better right handed set-up men in MLB.

There is definately a lefty thing going on here as well. Boston needed a lefty, and Javy was one of the better lefties languishing in the minor leagues. We have two really good lefties in Thornton and Cotts. We needed a right handed set-up guy. So it was mutually beneficial.

What made this move great is the fact KW scored one of the more consistant set-up guys in baseball. Basically a brilliant move. I am surprised he makes deals like this, but it is easy when your minor league system is stacked with pitching and position prospects. It is easier to fill holes when they come up.

Also it may make Politte more comfortible when he comes back. He will go to being the right handed specialist/long reliever/cleanup role. A position with less pressure.

soxtalker
06-16-2006, 10:14 AM
Looks like a reasonable low risk trade for both sides. As many have pointed out, each club potentially filled a need and traded away a player that didn't fit into their plans.

Those needs were somewhat urgent -- both teams probably needed to act sooner rather than later. If you think about it from the Red Sox perspective, because of their past history, Lopez is probably a somewhat lower risk (and higher value) than many players that they could get for Riske.

Pequod
06-16-2006, 11:04 AM
The start of what I hope, is a total of three deals, to rebuild the bullpen for the stretch run.

Lip

Three deals? I can believe another's in the works to "fix" the Politte problem, but what would be the third? Maybe deal Freddy or Vazquez for a top tier reliever and move McCarthy into the rotation?

Frater Perdurabo
06-16-2006, 11:08 AM
Three deals? I can believe another's in the works to "fix" the Politte problem, but what would be the third? Maybe deal Freddy or Vazquez for a top tier reliever and move McCarthy into the rotation?

Lip desperately wants to get rid of Thornton, just because he's young. It doesn't matter that Thornton has been effective.

I'm surprised Lip was able to bite his tongue while Jenks was closing out games last season. He probably was too overcome with joy at the whole spectacle of the World Series to notice, though.

Lip Man 1
06-16-2006, 12:30 PM
Frater:

Thornton has been effective (of course considering the bullpen's W-L record, ERA and number of walks that's not saying much is it?)

Move #2...goodbye Montero, Montego or whatever his name is.

Move #3... probably saying goodbye to Politte if his arm continues to be sore and he's ineffective.

Lip

Mickster
06-16-2006, 12:34 PM
Frater:

Thornton has been effective (of course considering the bullpen's W-L record, ERA and number of walks that's not saying much is it?)

Move #2...goodbye Montero, Montego or whatever his name is.

Move #3... probably saying goodbye to Politte if his arm continues to be sore and he's ineffective.

Lip

Lip, Montero and Politte are one in the same. When Politte comes back from the DL, Montero will be sent down. If Politte can't hack it, they'll get someone else.

Pequod
06-16-2006, 12:34 PM
Very good. #2 will happen when Politte is reactivated. #3 is only a matter of time, I suspect.

EDIT: What he said.

Lip Man 1
06-16-2006, 12:42 PM
I know but sending out Montego (Bay) and then potentially sending out Politte are two seprate moves aren't they? That's a total of three with Riske coming on board.

Lip

Chip Z'nuff
06-16-2006, 12:43 PM
This could all be leading up to a Garland for Rowand trade

Shorty1983
06-16-2006, 12:46 PM
kinda dorky looking guy, but he'll do

LOL...he looks like a horse's asshttp://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_228594.jpg

TDog
06-16-2006, 03:10 PM
... Maybe deal Freddy or Vazquez for a top tier reliever and move McCarthy into the rotation?

I'm not suggesting you are endorsing it, but trading a veteran starter for someone whose job it is to pitch one or two innings at most every couple of days isn't what winning organizations do. If you were to trade a starter and get back a reliever, the reliever would be in addition to the top player acquired.

Trading a starter for a reliever to move McCarthy into the rotation would leave the starting rotation less effective. If you replaced McCarthy in the bullpen, you might find someone as effective. The bullpen isn't so bad that you have to risk greater problems to fix it.

You might see a bullpen guy or a minor league pitcher swapped for someone another team doesn't want. People expected Allan Embree to be a better pitcher when the Sox picked him up in 2001, and I'm sure the Pirates expected more out of Sean Lowe when they acquired him for the Sox after that season.

Good teams don't make blockbuster bullpen deals, unless the bullpen is addressed secondarily. The fact is, even solid bullpen guys give up big hits. Because they are the top guys, they are more often put into game situations.

I'm sure there are Astros fans out there who would welcome the opportunity to do the end of Game 2 and the eighth inning of Game 4 with Montero pitching instead of Lidge. I suppose he could have done worse, but the result couldn't have been worse.

Pequod
06-16-2006, 03:22 PM
I'm not suggesting you are endorsing it...

No, I wasn't endorsing it. I simply couldn't imagine what the 3rd bullpen move might be other than something that would involve McCarthy moving *out* of the bullpen.

I agree with what you said.

oeo
06-16-2006, 03:23 PM
I'm not suggesting you are endorsing it, but trading a veteran starter for someone whose job it is to pitch one or two innings at most every couple of days isn't what winning organizations do. If you were to trade a starter and get back a reliever, the reliever would be in addition to the top player acquired.

Trading a starter for a reliever to move McCarthy into the rotation would leave the starting rotation less effective. If you replaced McCarthy in the bullpen, you might find someone as effective. The bullpen isn't so bad that you have to risk greater problems to fix it.

You might see a bullpen guy or a minor league pitcher swapped for someone another team doesn't want. People expected Allan Embree to be a better pitcher when the Sox picked him up in 2001, and I'm sure the Pirates expected more out of Sean Lowe when they acquired him for the Sox after that season.

Good teams don't make blockbuster bullpen deals, unless the bullpen is addressed secondarily. The fact is, even solid bullpen guys give up big hits. Because they are the top guys, they are more often put into game situations.

I'm sure there are Astros fans out there who would welcome the opportunity to do the end of Game 2 and the eighth inning of Game 4 with Montero pitching instead of Lidge. I suppose he could have done worse, but the result couldn't have been worse.

And what is with wanting to get rid of Garcia and Vazquez now? They had a couple of bad outings, give me a break...they're still great pitchers. Last week it was Garland, who knows, next week in might even be Contreras. This is getting ridiculous.

This is our starting rotation, and it's a damn good one. They're not going to trade away guys because they had a couple of bad starts. Sure, the rotation has been inconsistent last year, but eventually they're going to get that consistency back.

1. People overreacted over our bullpen, it could be a lot worse than it is. It had a tough stretch, but it's still a very effective bullpen.

2. If some of you really think we still need a ton of help down there, the answer to getting bullpen help is not trading away our starters and getting a reliever. That doesn't change a thing, besides the fact that we gave up a great starter, for a reliever to take McCarthy's spot in the pen.

BTW, this isn't in response to your post TDog, just adding to it.

thepaulbowski
06-16-2006, 03:34 PM
Thornton has been effective (of course considering the bullpen's W-L record, ERA and number of walks that's not saying much is it?)



Lip

Give Thornton his due. He has been lights out recently. He has really come into his own and his ERA has dropped like a rock.

Is it that hard to give a compliment to somebody which also getting a dig at them?

Ol' No. 2
06-16-2006, 04:58 PM
Give Thornton his due. He has been lights out recently. He has really come into his own and his ERA has dropped like a rock.

Is it that hard to give a compliment to somebody which also getting a dig at them?Well....his ERA has been rising since May. It's settled into about the 4-4.5 territory. But it's not as if there are better options growing on trees. They could do a lot worse.

MRM
06-16-2006, 07:02 PM
Well, I'm not overjoyed, it seems like a decent move, but I HATE HATE HATE to give up solid, innings-eating starting pitchers for anything but the same. Riske better come in and pitch his butt off.


hahahaha - christmas - I read this as Javy Vaz!!! bwaak. OMG, I'm gonna go back to work.

Huh? Lopez was a closer in charlotte, not "a solid, innings eating starter".