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Minnie Me
06-14-2006, 02:25 PM
Ever since an aging and hurt Jim Landis left the Sox with his .208 season average back in 1964 (a span of 43 years) the Sox have had numerous players try to solidify the position with only a couple of guys able to stabilize the position for any significant time. Here is the breakdown (no pun intended).
The Sox have had both good field/no hit (Ken Berry) and good hit/no field (Everett) players. Generally speaking most were above average fielders especially due to that importance in old Comiskey. Some showed promise and were traded (Agee, Cameron) and others especially Lemon got caught in a salary purge. My point? Good all round CF's are hard to come by and for various reasons do not stay at their highest value for very long. Anderson has the potential to be be the best we have had and because he is young he could give us six years at the position. I think this also demonstrates how valuable Rowand was as he should produce at a significant level for the next three years. This also demonstrates why I would love to see a Chet Lemon statue because he is the best we have had in the last 45 years.
(Please note that I realize sometimes some of the players below played a combination of all OF positions. Some years we tried more than four and five guys in Center.)

6 Years Chet (the jet) Lemon
1979,1977,1978,1979,1980,1981

6 Years Lance (one dog) Johnson
1990,1991,1992,1993,1994,1995

4 Years Ken (the bandit) Berry
1965, 1968,1969,1970

4 Years Rudy (the lawman) Law
1982,1983,1984,1985

3 Years Chris (chrissy) Singleton
1999,2000,2001

3 Years Aaron (crash) Rowand
2004,2005,2006

2 Years Tommy Agee
1966,1967

2 Years Pat Kelly
1972,1973

2 Years Ken Henderson
1974,1975

2 Years Dave (galley) Gallagher
1988,1989

2 Years Mike Cameron
1997,1998

One Year Wonders
Jay Johnson 1971
John (candyman) Cangelosi 1986
Gary Redus 1987
Darren Lewis 1991
Kenny Lofton 2002
Carl (the truth) Everett 2003

Madvora
06-14-2006, 02:28 PM
Oh I love One-Dog!

Absolutely no arm at all.

Led the league in hits while he was batting 9th... didn't he?

Minnie Me
06-14-2006, 02:31 PM
Oh I love One-Dog!

Absolutely no arm at all.

Led the league in hits while he was batting 9th... didn't he?

One Dog was Ozuna exciting to watch. I did/nt realize he was on the sox for so many years.

batmanZoSo
06-14-2006, 02:37 PM
Oh I love One-Dog!

Absolutely no arm at all.

Led the league in hits while he was batting 9th... didn't he?

Hell yeah. Great range, blazing speed and about as pesky as they come with the bat. Probably the definition of a pesky hitter (Johnny Pesky notwithstanding).

TornLabrum
06-14-2006, 02:41 PM
Jay Johnson 1971

That would be Jay Johnstone

Edward
06-14-2006, 02:42 PM
3 Years Aaron (crash) Rowand
2004,2005,2006

??

Did the Garland trade finally go through?

Minnie Me
06-14-2006, 02:47 PM
Hell yeah. Great range, blazing speed and about as pesky as they come with the bat. Probably the definition of a pesky hitter (Johnny Pesky notwithstanding).

Maybe that CF statue should be of One Dog. He was All Star in 95 & 96. A amazing 117 career triples. He also was able to get the Flubs to pony up for $10 million for the last two years of his career which was more than the Sox paid him for six productive years.(good for him)

oeo
06-14-2006, 02:55 PM
My cousin mentioned this a few weeks ago. With Baines probably done after this year, what do you think of One Dog coming back to be first base coach?

stl_sox_fan
06-14-2006, 03:11 PM
John (candyman) Cangelosi 1986

I thought he played more than one year. Only 3 games in 85.

http://www.geocities.com/vmnegron/cangelosi.jpg

I still have his rookie card...wonder how much it's worth.


You forgot about

Ken "The GM" Williams (1987)

Frater Perdurabo
06-14-2006, 03:40 PM
Didn't Darrell (sp?) Boston play CF for the Sox for a year or two?

Didn't Kenny Williams also play a little CF?

Still, this is an eye-opening list. Good center fielders certainly are hard to find. Let's hope Anderson pans out and becomes a mainstay for the next decade.

EastCoastSoxFan
06-14-2006, 03:42 PM
Oh I love One-Dog! Absolutely no arm at all.
The only time I ever remember seeing Lance throw somebody out at the plate was a game, I want to say in '90, at Yankee Stadium in which he hit one of his rare home runs (wrapped it around the short right field foul pole, naturally); but it was raining off and on and it looked like the game might get called. As I recall, the Yankees had a runner on second in the bottom of the fifth and someone hit a single to center. Lance came up throwing and the ball took a perfect skip off the mound right into Fisk's mitt and the runner was out.
I could have a few details wrong, but I seem to remember the announcers joking about Lance trying to make sure the game went at least 5 innings so he wouldn't lose that home run...

D. TODD
06-14-2006, 05:12 PM
I liked one-dog, but Chet Lemon is by far by favorite center fielder from the Sox.

bayzbol44
06-14-2006, 05:46 PM
The only time I ever remember seeing Lance throw somebody out at the plate was a game, I want to say in '90, at Yankee Stadium in which he hit one of his rare home runs (wrapped it around the short right field foul pole, naturally); but it was raining off and on and it looked like the game might get called. As I recall, the Yankees had a runner on second in the bottom of the fifth and someone hit a single to center. Lance came up throwing and the ball took a perfect skip off the mound right into Fisk's mitt and the runner was out.
I could have a few details wrong, but I seem to remember the announcers joking about Lance trying to make sure the game went at least 5 innings so he wouldn't lose that home run...

Did the runner slip and fall before he got home also? One-Dog throwing somebody out at home? I missed that game.

havelj
06-14-2006, 07:15 PM
One-Dog didn't have a strong arm, but he had a smart arm, got to balls fast and hit the cut-off men.

michned
06-14-2006, 09:31 PM
Didn't Rick Reichardt (the pride of Madison, WI) play center a couple years as well?

Jurr
06-15-2006, 09:09 AM
I thought he played more than one year. Only 3 games in 85.

http://www.geocities.com/vmnegron/cangelosi.jpg

I still have his rookie card...wonder how much it's worth.


You forgot about

Ken "The GM" Williams (1987)
OH MY GOD! That was the card I looked for my whole childhood! For a spell, Cangelosi was my favorite player (don't ask why). I got him to sign a batting glove for me, which I still proudly own. I used to play that baseball game where you use cards of the players, and I used that Topps set. I didn't have Cangelosi, so I'd use Wally Backman, because he looked the closest. Man, what a bent 7 year old I was! I love that card!

EastCoastSoxFan
06-15-2006, 09:16 AM
Did the runner slip and fall before he got home also? One-Dog throwing somebody out at home? I missed that game.
Lance got some help from the pitcher's mound -- the ball took a perfect skip like a stone skipping on water. Otherwise it would have been a three-hopper like all his other attempted throws to the plate...

miker
06-15-2006, 01:36 PM
Looking at that list, I'm not quite sure how abnormal a pattern that is.

Sure, we all remember the guys who put in 10-plus years at a position, but they usually are the stars.

An MLB roster is usually a few stars filled out by a collection of capable but average guys with Major League talent, but not enough to hold a steady job in one city or one position.

If anything, the advent of free agency and expansion has made it normal for the majority of players to only be on a team for a short period of time.

Other than the recently departed Frank Thomas and perhaps Mark Buerhle, which current White Sox has been here six or more years?

PalehosePlanet
06-16-2006, 02:44 PM
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Other than the recently departed Frank Thomas and perhaps Mark Buerhle, which current White Sox has been here six or more years?

Konerko, but that's it.

johnr1note
06-16-2006, 03:07 PM
Ever since an aging and hurt Jim Landis left the Sox with his .208 season average back in 1964 (a span of 43 years) the Sox have had numerous players try to solidify the position with only a couple of guys able to stabilize the position for any significant time. Here is the breakdown (no pun intended).
The Sox have had both good field/no hit (Ken Berry) and good hit/no field (Everett) players. Generally speaking most were above average fielders especially due to that importance in old Comiskey. Some showed promise and were traded (Agee, Cameron) and others especially Lemon got caught in a salary purge. My point? Good all round CF's are hard to come by and for various reasons do not stay at their highest value for very long. Anderson has the potential to be be the best we have had and because he is young he could give us six years at the position. I think this also demonstrates how valuable Rowand was as he should produce at a significant level for the next three years. This also demonstrates why I would love to see a Chet Lemon statue because he is the best we have had in the last 45 years.
(Please note that I realize sometimes some of the players below played a combination of all OF positions. Some years we tried more than four and five guys in Center.)

6 Years Chet (the jet) Lemon
1979,1977,1978,1979,1980,1981

6 Years Lance (one dog) Johnson
1990,1991,1992,1993,1994,1995

4 Years Ken (the bandit) Berry
1965, 1968,1969,1970

4 Years Rudy (the lawman) Law
1982,1983,1984,1985

3 Years Chris (chrissy) Singleton
1999,2000,2001

3 Years Aaron (crash) Rowand
2004,2005,2006

2 Years Tommy Agee
1966,1967

2 Years Pat Kelly
1972,1973

2 Years Ken Henderson
1974,1975

2 Years Dave (galley) Gallagher
1988,1989

2 Years Mike Cameron
1997,1998

One Year Wonders
Jay Johnson 1971
John (candyman) Cangelosi 1986
Gary Redus 1987
Darren Lewis 1991
Kenny Lofton 2002
Carl (the truth) Everett 2003

Some corrections and ommissions:

Bill Sharp played more games in center field than anybody else in 1973 -- Pat Kelly was primarily a right fielder or DH.

Our beloved general manager Kenny Williams was the primary centerfielder in 1987, Redus was primarily a Left Fielder.

Daryl Boston was the primary CF in 1985, Rudy Law moved to LF that year.

SummerteethPacer
06-16-2006, 04:58 PM
Didn't Darrell (sp?) Boston play CF for the Sox for a year or two?

Didn't Kenny Williams also play a little CF?

Still, this is an eye-opening list. Good center fielders certainly are hard to find. Let's hope Anderson pans out and becomes a mainstay for the next decade.

Boston was in CF. I'm not really sure you could call it playing. There was a game, very early in his career, where he switched from contacts to glasses and had (i think) 2 HR's and a double and the feeling was that he was for real. That feeling was pretty fleeting.