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Jjav829
06-12-2006, 11:34 PM
There are a lot of good, young pitchers that are in the early stages of their MLB careers. I've listed a handful of them, but you can choose someone not listed if you wish. All of these guys have pitched less than 2 full seasons, so you can't choose someone like Jake Peavy.

Note: I listed Jon Papelbon because he still figures to end up as a starter despite his dominance as a closer thus far.

There are some really good options, but I would go with Liriano barely ahead of King Felix and Kazmir.

Huisj
06-12-2006, 11:51 PM
i think you mean felix hernandez

Jjav829
06-12-2006, 11:52 PM
i think you mean felix hernandez

Whoops. :redface:

Fixed.

JohnBasedowYoda
06-12-2006, 11:56 PM
i picked Verlander. what about Huston Street? I'm not too savy on him this year. He in the craphouse?

Jjav829
06-12-2006, 11:57 PM
i picked Verlander. what about Huston Street? I'm not too savy on him this year. He in the craphouse?

I'm sticking strictly to starters.

JB98
06-13-2006, 12:06 AM
I went with Kazmir. Liriano would be second. When in doubt, take the left-handers.

JohnBasedowYoda
06-13-2006, 12:06 AM
I'm sticking strictly to starters.

Papelbon is a closer

CubsfansareDRUNK
06-13-2006, 12:08 AM
How anyone wouldn't pick papelbon is beyond me.

EDIT: Whoops, only starters

SouthSide_HitMen
06-13-2006, 12:08 AM
I picked the King but Liriano could top him when all is said and done. I think Hernandez has the better pedigree, is younger and is back on track after poor mechanics and that damn Japanese catcher who never calls for the heater screwed him up to start the season.

Jjav829
06-13-2006, 12:08 AM
Papelbon is a closer

Someone missed my note. :cool:

Note: I listed Jon Papelbon because he still figures to end up as a starter despite his dominance as a closer thus far.

soxfan26
06-13-2006, 12:11 AM
I'm going with the King.

JohnBasedowYoda
06-13-2006, 12:13 AM
Someone missed my note. :cool:


Yup. That's my style.

Chips
06-13-2006, 12:18 AM
I went with Kazmir. Liriano would be second. When in doubt, take the left-handers.

My sentiments exactly.

Epark84
06-13-2006, 12:23 AM
Liriano is absolutely filthy...santana will be the twins #2 in 1-2 years. And hes damn good obviously. damn twins. As long as they cant hit though the sox will be ok

Sox-o-matic
06-13-2006, 12:42 AM
Liriano. Lefty and capable of dominating this league for ten years or so.

chisoxfanatic
06-13-2006, 12:43 AM
Papelbon has absoultey NASTY stuff! He has done "spot starts" every now and then for the Red Sox in the past when one of their pitchers went down. He's only closing right now, because it's been something he's grown into. He certainly can start; but, he'd have to be worked up to that once again.

oeo
06-13-2006, 12:51 AM
Liriano. Maybe Verlander, but to me, he seems like an injury risk. Throwing too hard for too many innings, and he's going to be spending some time on the disabled list. If I got to pick two, it would be Liriano and Kazmir, though.

ComiskeyBrewer
06-13-2006, 01:12 AM
Liriano. I saw him pitch, absolutely filthy. The kid isn't too bad with a bat in his hands either.

ChiSoxNationPres
06-13-2006, 01:19 AM
I picked papelbon, but i think that mccarthey has to be at least an option on there. He is better than half of those guys.

Chisox003
06-13-2006, 01:20 AM
Liriano and Kazmir.

Both are ridiculous.

I still think Joe Blanton is gonna be a stud too.

Whitesox4ever
06-13-2006, 09:23 AM
My pick is Brandon Mc Carthy... Follow closely by Felix Hernandez

samram
06-13-2006, 10:28 AM
I went with Liriano just barely over Kazmir. That slider is so nasty.

White Sox Randy
06-13-2006, 10:31 AM
White Sox fans will all say Liriano soon enough.

skottyj242
06-13-2006, 10:37 AM
Chris Young

Of the list it would have to be Lariano.

cbotnyse
06-13-2006, 10:58 AM
White Sox fans will all say Liriano soon enough.

I have honestly not seen this guy pitch yet....sounds like I better take notice.....how old is he?

Jjav829
06-13-2006, 11:00 AM
I picked papelbon, but i think that mccarthey has to be at least an option on there. He is better than half of those guys.

I didn't put McCarthy because I didn't want a bunch of "He's a White Sox so I'm going to vote for him" homer votes.

Besides, no one in their right mind would choose McCarthy over Liriano, Kazmir or King Felix. And there are several others whom most would probably choose over McCarthy.

Jjav829
06-13-2006, 11:01 AM
I have honestly not seen this guy pitch yet....sounds like I better take notice.....how old is he?

Liriano is 22 and is absolutely filthy. That slider might be a top 5 pitch in the game. Santana and Liriano will be the most dominant pair of lefties in the game.

cbotnyse
06-13-2006, 11:04 AM
Liriano is 22 and is absolutely filthy. That slider might be a top 5 pitch in the game. Santana and Liriano will be the most dominant pair of lefties in the game.
would you compare his slider to Randy Johnson's (in his prime) ....how is his velocity?

GOGOGOPODS
06-13-2006, 11:17 AM
I picked Kazmir as he is just nasty.... Verlander is pretty nasty to as he can bring the heat.

Jjav829
06-13-2006, 11:19 AM
would you compare his slider to Randy Johnson's (in his prime) ....how is his velocity?
Not really, Liriano's slider has more of a hard break to it. His velocity is very good. Fastball in the mid-to-high 90s, slider in the high 80s and he mixes in a pretty good change in the mid 80s.

Tekijawa
06-13-2006, 11:19 AM
Liriano, Hands down... Kazmir second... Felix has looked pretty hittable this year. Papelbon is tough too... I think I just named the Yankees 2012 Rotation...

White Sox Randy
06-13-2006, 12:36 PM
I look at Liriano and I think "Santana....only a little better".

And, how dumb are the Giants to give up Liriano, Joe Nathan and someone else (forgot now sorry) for A.J. ?

Or how smart are the Twins. Their organization is amazing. I almost feel sorry for them - no money but they make some of the smartest moves.

oeo
06-13-2006, 01:01 PM
would you compare his slider to Randy Johnson's (in his prime) ....how is his velocity?

After that series at the Dome, Thome compared him to Randy Johnson and said he was near unhittable. The kid is good; I'm not looking forward to having to face Santana and Liriano, in the same series. :(:

Jjav829
06-13-2006, 01:24 PM
I look at Liriano and I think "Santana....only a little better".

And, how dumb are the Giants to give up Liriano, Joe Nathan and someone else (forgot now sorry) for A.J. ?

Or how smart are the Twins. Their organization is amazing. I almost feel sorry for them - no money but they make some of the smartest moves.

The third player was Boof Bonser, who is now in the Twins rotation. That trade might go down as one of the biggest steals of all time.

samram
06-13-2006, 01:29 PM
Not really, Liriano's slider has more of a hard break to it. His velocity is very good. Fastball in the mid-to-high 90s, slider in the high 80s and he mixes in a pretty good change in the mid 80s.

I always thought of Johnson's slider as more of a show-me slider, almost like a changeup. When he finally developed his change, the slider became more effective (this would have been around 2000 or so). Liriano's slider is one of those "hope you don't fall behind because you can't hit it" slider.

White Sox Randy
06-13-2006, 01:35 PM
The third player was Boof Bonser, who is now in the Twins rotation. That trade might go down as one of the biggest steals of all time.

Thank you. How many division titles / World Series will that end up costing the Giants ?

skottyj242
06-13-2006, 01:41 PM
I was watching Baseball Tonight the other day and they split screened Lariano and Santana and they look pretty much identical in delivery.

TheOldRoman
06-13-2006, 01:43 PM
The third player was Boof Bonser, who is now in the Twins rotation. That trade might go down as one of the biggest steals of all time.
Yeah, I was thinking about that the other day. The Giants really screwed up, and gave the Twins two superstars, one of which will be dominant for 10+ years. This will hurt the Sox big time. However, we all know what happened after the Giants' relationship with AJ went sour.:cool:
We wouldm't have won the world series with Ben Davis starting at catcher, so I have no ill will about the trade.

ma-gaga
06-13-2006, 02:19 PM
Liriano is insane. I didn't think the kid was going to live up to the hype. But he has and then some. He looks like freaking Johan Santana out there. The ball just disappears on hitters. Same ball movement, same pitching style. His delivery is slightly more violent than Santana's so I don't know how long of a career he might have. But holy ****, he's good.

and he's kicking ass in this poll. :cool:

ma-gaga
06-13-2006, 02:22 PM
yikes.

I missed "page 2" of the comments. So, Yeah, what Jjav, and WSRandy, and skotty, and oeo, and Tekijawa said. Liriano's the bomb baby.

champagne030
06-13-2006, 03:07 PM
I was watching Baseball Tonight the other day and they split screened Lariano and Santana and they look pretty much identical in delivery.

I saw that too, but while the windup was similar, the follow through was very different. Santana stayed controlled and was in a good fielding position. Liriano was the lefthanded version of Woods....he was falling into the 3rd base dugout after each pitch. The Sox should bunt him to death......I'll admit his stuff is filthy.