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Thome25
06-11-2006, 07:09 AM
I'm here on the east coast so I was stuck with Yankees and A's on FOX. Wasn't listening to gameday audio at the time either.

I keep hearing about Victor Martinez's Home Run Celebration after he hit that one in the 11th.

ESPN didn't show any of it. The only thing they did show was Mackowiak's play at the plate and they had to rub in the fact that they thought he was out. (I swear he was safe.)

So what exactly did Martinez do?! Is it enough for me become a "Victor Martinez hater" and lump him in with my hate for the flubs, blow sox, and yankmees?

BeviBall!
06-11-2006, 07:21 AM
IIs it enough for me become a "Victor Martinez hater" and lump him in with my hate for the flubs, blow sox, and yankmees?

No.

Frontman
06-11-2006, 07:48 AM
I'm here on the east coast so I was stuck with Yankees and A's on FOX. Wasn't listening to gameday audio at the time either.

I keep hearing about Victor Martinez's Home Run Celebration after he hit that one in the 11th.

ESPN didn't show any of it. The only thing they did show was Mackowiak's play at the plate and they had to rub in the fact that they thought he was out. (I swear he was safe.)

So what exactly did Martinez do?! Is it enough for me become a "Victor Martinez hater" and lump him in with my hate for the flubs, blow sox, and yankmees?

Rob was out, he was tagged a good 3 to 5 inches off the plate. But I didn't see VM's celebration, either.

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WoogSox
06-11-2006, 09:24 AM
Every time Martinez hits a homer he pats his chest, kisses his hands, points to the sky and has a little hand shake celebration with whoever is up after him. I think that it was Belliard yesterday. Basically as if he has never hit one before.

dickallen15
06-11-2006, 09:25 AM
I was at the game and went to take a leak right after his homer. They have the radio feed going on in the bathroom and Farmio was commenting about his celebration mentioning what Gibson and Drysdale would do if they saw it. I don't think it was a big deal. Just about everyone celebrates a go ahead homer in the 11th inning. He didn't do anything rounding the bases. In the dugout, I don't think its wrong to celebrate. That second homer was really crushed.

Thome25
06-11-2006, 09:26 AM
Every time Martinez hits a homer he pats his chest, kisses his hands, points to the sky and has a little hand shake celebration with whoever is up after him. I think that it was Belliard yesterday. Basically as if he has never hit one before.

Just curious is that before or after he leaves the box to round the bases?

cheeses_h_rice
06-11-2006, 09:29 AM
He does his own little kissy-fingers/point-to-the-sky routine just after crossing home plate. After his homer, he did that, and then he pointed at someone in the stands behind home plate as if to say "**** you, bro".

Too bad that wasn't the game-winning hit after all, eh?

:cool:

itsnotrequired
06-11-2006, 09:31 AM
He does his own little kissy-fingers/point-to-the-sky routine just after crossing home plate. After his homer, he did that, and then he pointed at someone in the stands behind home plate as if to say "**** you, bro".

Too bad that wasn't the game-winning hit after all, eh?

:cool:

He only his 20 HRs a year so let him have his fun.

dickallen15
06-11-2006, 09:34 AM
He does his own little kissy-fingers/point-to-the-sky routine just after crossing home plate. After his homer, he did that, and then he pointed at someone in the stands behind home plate as if to say "**** you, bro".

Too bad that wasn't the game-winning hit after all, eh?

:cool:
So many players have this routine now, Carl Everett comes to mind right away, that it almost is part of a home run trot. I did see him point, but that easily could have been to a friend or family member. I don't think he was showboating. If that was what Farmer was talking about, its pretty lame.

cheeses_h_rice
06-11-2006, 09:36 AM
So many players have this routine now, Carl Everett comes to mind right away, that it almost is part of a home run trot. I did see him point, but that easily could have been to a friend or family member. I don't think he was showboating. If that was what Farmer was talking about, its pretty lame.

The way he made such a point to do it, it seemed like he was throwing it in the face of someone who was heckling him before.

Plus he apparently was doing some sort of celebration/dance in the dugout afterward, which I couldn't see.

dickallen15
06-11-2006, 09:40 AM
The way he made such a point to do it, it seemed like he was throwing it in the face of someone who was heckling him before.

Plus he apparently was doing some sort of celebration/dance in the dugout afterward, which I couldn't see.

I thought Farmer was commenting on a dugout celebration. Either way, I don't think he really showed up the White Sox, and it turns out his homer was meaningless, except it made Wickman throw a couple of more pitches before he lost.

SBSoxFan
06-11-2006, 10:05 AM
Farmer commented after his first HR too. Basically, he lingers on home plate while he does his little butterfly flutter with his hands. He was celebrating for awhile in the dugout after his HR in the 11th. But it wasn't just hi fiving teammates. He was looking at the camera, had his pinky and thumb out and was flopping his hands around. It was pretty annoying.

As for the play at the plate, I thought he was safe. Your legs are a lot longer than your arms, and Martinez was completely stretched out, and had to reach to the first base side of home to catch the ball. He caught it, rotated, and had the ball about at his own knee when Mack slid into his leg. It appeared Mack had pushed through to the plate by the time Martinez was able to get a tag on him. Not that it ended up mattering. :D:

INSox56
06-11-2006, 10:37 AM
Yeah his second HR celebration really wasn't that big a deal. The first one is the one, if anything, people should be mad about. Farmer sure as hell was...I don't like how the old school baseball has disappeared....throwing at the head of another batter for a celebration like that comes to mine. ;)

I also thought Mack was safe...he slid into Martinez's leg and the momentum carried him backwards and as he was falling back, the mit also was. I think he missed the top of his foot. So close and so much dirt in the air anyway, I'll give the ump the benefit.

Frontman
06-11-2006, 10:49 AM
I can handle the stupid finger pointing and quasi-religious gestures and the like. At least they can round the bases in a timely manner unlike this guy....




http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/mlb/2002/0405/photo/a_bonds_i.jpg

I wonder if Selig will allow him use of a golf cart in the near future.....

Beauty35thStreet
06-11-2006, 10:58 AM
I was at the game and went to take a leak right after his homer. They have the radio feed going on in the bathroom and Farmio was commenting about his celebration mentioning what Gibson and Drysdale would do if they saw it. I don't think it was a big deal. Just about everyone celebrates a go ahead homer in the 11th inning. He didn't do anything rounding the bases. In the dugout, I don't think its wrong to celebrate. That second homer was really crushed.

HaHa, I can picture Farmio saying that.

goon
06-11-2006, 11:07 AM
well, there is a tasteful way to celebrate a home run and v. mart may have been pushing it a bit. i was at the game so i couldn't see anything in the dugout, however, he rounded the bases slower than ANYONE i have ever seen hit a homerun, then when he touched home he literally paused on the plate for about 3-4 seconds... i think it's fair to say it was a tad over the top. if he really was celebrating in the dugout like a knob in addition to his antics on the field, he should have been plunked, but i'm old school like that.

Frontman
06-11-2006, 11:10 AM
well, there is a tasteful way to celebrate a home run and v. mart may have been pushing it a bit. i was at the game so i couldn't see anything in the dugout, however, he rounded the bases slower than ANYONE i have ever seen hit a homerun, then when he touched home he literally paused on the plate for about 3-4 seconds... i think it's fair to say it was a tad over the top. if he really was celebrating in the dugout like a knob in addition to his antics on the field, he should have been plunked, but i'm old school like that.

Slower than anyone? Considering my comment on Bonds earlier, THAT is saying something.

Old school rules says he should get plunked today. Sadly, there isn't that much old schoolers left.....

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SBSoxFan
06-11-2006, 11:16 AM
As Lou Holtz used to say about scoring a touchdown: "Act like you've been there before."

goon
06-11-2006, 11:21 AM
Slower than anyone? Considering my comment on Bonds earlier, THAT is saying something.



well, let me rephrase that... just about as slow as anyone i have ever seen, no where near the typical jog/trot that you see from most players.

post script: as much as i dislike bonds, he has has hit 715* home runs, victor martinez has hit 54, not exactly in the same league.

Mercy!
06-11-2006, 11:46 AM
It's gotten so there's the before, the middle, the end, and then the dugout parts of your basic home run shot.

For instance, the before showboaters would be like Bonds or Griffey, Jr. dropping the bat and posing staring lovingly off into the distance after their swings.

I'm not totally up on the middle-trot specialists. Doesn't Crazy Carl usually point to the sky at about the 2nd base point in his slow trot?

For the end, who can forget the great Shamee tap-tap, kiss-kiss, point? But now I've got to add Victor Martinez who slammed his trot practically into slow motion about 5 strides away from the plate in order to stretch the experience to the maximum. Then both hands together, kiss-kiss them, then point to the sky; then point to someone in the stands and say something. Barf.

I don't really mind dugout celebrations, particularly when it looks like the hit meant something. But Martinez was doing his finger shimmy routine for the camera.

There's nothing about joyful exuberance in all this nonsense. It's just manufactured hooey.

MarySwiss
06-11-2006, 11:58 AM
IMO, it's only a matter of time until someone does the Jack Parkman "stop-midrun-and-cup-your-hand-to-your-ear-in-order-to-soak-up-the-boos-and-taunt-the-crowd" celebration.

Thome25
06-11-2006, 12:13 PM
It's gotten so there's the before, the middle, the end, and then the dugout parts of your basic home run shot.

For instance, the before showboaters would be like Bonds or Griffey, Jr. dropping the bat and posing staring lovingly off into the distance after their swings.

I'm not totally up on the middle-trot specialists. Doesn't Crazy Carl usually point to the sky at about the 2nd base point in his slow trot?

For the end, who can forget the great Shamee tap-tap, kiss-kiss, point? But now I've got to add Victor Martinez who slammed his trot practically into slow motion about 5 strides away from the plate in order to stretch the experience to the maximum. Then both hands together, kiss-kiss them, then point to the sky; then point to someone in the stands and say something. Barf.

I don't really mind dugout celebrations, particularly when it looks like the hit meant something. But Martinez was doing his finger shimmy routine for the camera.

There's nothing about joyful exuberance in all this nonsense. It's just manufactured hooey.


To me there's nothing worse than when a hitter stops and admires his home run before rounding the bases. One other thing that comes to mind is when a player who shall remain nameless who played for a certain loser team on the other side of town used to hop after hitting one out.

I always told myself that if I was the pitcher and a hitter did that to me and I was still in the game for their next at-bat, I'd plunk 'em.

When I'm watching a game on TV and a guy like Griffey or Bonds poses, I'm usually throwing something at the TV, not because they hit a HR but because that is one of the most blatant, disrespectful forms of showboating in sports.

D. TODD
06-11-2006, 12:18 PM
IMO, it's only a matter of time until someone does the Jack Parkman "stop-midrun-and-cup-your-hand-to-your-ear-in-order-to-soak-up-the-boos-and-taunt-the-crowd" celebration. Almost the opposite of how Babe Ruth would tip his hat to the crowd while rounding second base. l

TheOldRoman
06-11-2006, 12:28 PM
Rob was out, he was tagged a good 3 to 5 inches off the plate. But I didn't see VM's celebration, either.

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Rob was safe. It was a close play, but he was safe. His foot touched the plate before the glove got to him (and you can't tell if the glove actually tagged him).

The big problem is, the morons are ESPN are always quick to trash the Sox. They made it one of their top plays of the day, and had to rub it in by saying "and the replay shows he was clearly out". NO! No it didn't. At worst, the replay was inconclusive, but he was safe.
This is just like AJ stealing first. ESPN made it out to be a horrible tragedy, like it WAS an out. They didn't even acknowledge that it was EXTREMELY close. The replays were inconclusive, but if anything, it appeared to hit the ground. It doesn't stop the great journalists at ESPN!

Thome25
06-11-2006, 12:36 PM
Rob was safe. It was a close play, but he was safe. His foot touched the plate before the glove got to him (and you can't tell if the glove actually tagged him).

The big problem is, the morons are ESPN are always quick to trash the Sox. They made it one of their top plays of the day, and had to rub it in by saying "and the replay shows he was clearly out". NO! No it didn't. At worst, the replay was inconclusive, but he was safe.
This is just like AJ stealing first. ESPN made it out to be a horrible tragedy, like it WAS an out. They didn't even acknowledge that it was EXTREMELY close. The replays were inconclusive, but if anything, it appeared to hit the ground. It doesn't stop the great journalists at ESPN!

I have to agree that Mackowiak was safe. I saw the replay on ESPN and and I almost fell off the couch because I thought he was safe.

Mackowiak pushed martinez back enough to get his foot on the plate before martinez tagged him out.

I lost it when the guy on ESPN (i'm not sure which idiot it was.) said that "Mackowiak was clearly out." It's one of the many times I sat there swearing at the TV while ESPN was on.

The play doesn't really matter now because we won. But, imagine if we hadn't and that call cost us the game.

ESPN is a network of totally clueless, blow sox loving morons.

digdagdug23
06-11-2006, 12:55 PM
Rob was safe. It was a close play, but he was safe. His foot touched the plate before the glove got to him (and you can't tell if the glove actually tagged him).

The big problem is, the morons are ESPN are always quick to trash the Sox. They made it one of their top plays of the day, and had to rub it in by saying "and the replay shows he was clearly out". NO! No it didn't. At worst, the replay was inconclusive, but he was safe.
This is just like AJ stealing first. ESPN made it out to be a horrible tragedy, like it WAS an out. They didn't even acknowledge that it was EXTREMELY close. The replays were inconclusive, but if anything, it appeared to hit the ground. It doesn't stop the great journalists at ESPN!

I saw that last night, too, I was so ticked.

But you are forgetting thier little post-mortum addendum:
"Oh, by the way, the Sox went on to win the game 4-3 on the next play".

They pretty much said it like that.

enurb
06-11-2006, 01:15 PM
Random thoughts on these topics:

1. Farmer is the best in the business.

2. Victor is a tool. Let's count the ways:

Slow jog around the bases.
Stop on home plate.
Kiss your fingers.
Tap your nipples.
Point to the sky.
Point to someone in the stands.
Play paddy-cake with nob Belliard
Sit on bench and repeat finger and nipple gestures.
Point at camera
Perform femine finger wave movement with pinky and thumb extend outward
Repeat finger wave movement for camera
Lose in 11th3. Mackowiak was out. A good slide and he's safe.

ondafarm
06-11-2006, 01:42 PM
Didn't see the Martinez shot and dance routine because I was preparing to leave the game.

I had my first churros at yesterday's game. No one in my family eats them, but I will from now on.


I will say this about even moderately excessive home run celebrations.

In Japan (ten some years ago when I played there) guys who lingered at the plate or trotted around the bases or celebrated in any excessive way, routinely got dusted off with the first pitch of their next at bat. As a catcher, I used this. One guy who hit one out and paused at second because the ball had been thrown back in and it was flipped to him by our shortstop there came up two innings later. I was already well-known for dusting guys off and when he showed up at the dish I said to him , "Are you ready to be attacked?" (for Japanese speakers I used the ataru-verb, abrupt form.) He took one look at me and turned white. First pitch comes in and he's already diving, well it was a fastball down the center of the plate. He gets up and digs in. Second pitch is at his head and he just gets out of the way. Dusts off and says, "You've had your fun." Third pitch is at his head again but he doesn't get out of the way quick enough. But the umpire calls him for not getting out of the way. Next two pitches were center cut fastballs which he misses by two feet. (Don't know if you've ever been beaned in the head but it's hard to hit anything for a few minutes.) To add insult to injury, I hand him the ball (third out) and walk back to my dugout.

pearso66
06-11-2006, 02:00 PM
I didn't notice Martinez's celebration, but there were 2 Indian fans in front of me, one of which yellled "you can put it on the board, yes" after the homer, and they both stood up and were antagonizing the crowd after it. When the game was over and the Sox were out, they were out of there so fast, you'd think they were Superman.

soxtalker
06-11-2006, 02:05 PM
Rob was safe. It was a close play, but he was safe. His foot touched the plate before the glove got to him (and you can't tell if the glove actually tagged him).
...

I did not see the play on TV, as I was driving and was listening to the radio. Farmer and Singleton thought he was safe. However, they didn't seem particularly outraged. In fact, one of them commented that this was a very tough call for the umpire, as the ball appeared to get to the catcher before the runner. These comments were made before we scored the winning run.

fusillirob1983
06-11-2006, 02:12 PM
I didn't notice Martinez's celebration, but there were 2 Indian fans in front of me, one of which yellled "you can put it on the board, yes" after the homer, and they both stood up and were antagonizing the crowd after it. When the game was over and the Sox were out, they were out of there so fast, you'd think they were Superman.

Were you in section 542? The guy that yelled was an old bald guy and the other one looked a little younger, but still had gray hair. I was the row right behind them. I pointed and laughed at them during the 3-5 seconds before they escaped the ballpark.

pearso66
06-11-2006, 02:29 PM
Were you in section 542? The guy that yelled was an old bald guy and the other one looked a little younger, but still had gray hair. I was the row right behind them. I pointed and laughed at them during the 3-5 seconds before they escaped the ballpark.

Yep, 542 row 11. I Was about 5-6 rows behind, but saw the whole thing. It was hilarious.

Mercy!
06-11-2006, 03:02 PM
It was close, but Rob looked safe to me, too. So much so that I only ran the replay 2 or 3 times.:tongue: I thought he sold it reasonably well by sticking to the plate as he bounced to his feet. But it's a shame he didn't manage a decent hook slide to the outside since Martinez wasn't even blocking the plate (despite what the Fox imbeciles said).

thomas35forever
06-11-2006, 05:19 PM
When Martinez knocked it out, I just looked away from the TV because I couldn't bear to watch.

I think Mackowiak was out. It looked like Martinez just go the tag on him.