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DANSOX67
06-09-2006, 10:01 AM
Next to catcher and shortstop, the most crucial defensive position on a baseball field is the centerfielder. A mediocre one can kill your pitching staff. Witness Rob Mackowiak last nite. A lackadaisical throw after the catch allowed a Tiger baserunner to take 2nd and eventually score. Later in the game , a little league mistake of not hitting the cutoff man cost another run. I've lived in Pittsburgh for the past 25 years, so I've seen Mackowiak in action. He's a butcher in the field. He's capable of 3 errors and 4 rbis in one game. Anderson, despite his lousy batting average, is a 5 tool player and an excellent fielder- he's the future. A stopgap may be to have Pods play CF as he did in Milwaukee- but you still need an outfielder that's decent to play left- which the Sox don't have right now-- Oh for Ken Berry, Tommie Agee, or Aaron Rowand- they gotta do something before their pitchers commit suicide.

Tekijawa
06-09-2006, 10:11 AM
I would like if they sent Anderson down to get his confidence back... It worked for Rowand and Mickey Mantle, I think Anderson has a lot of Nice tools to work with It's just all mental at this point.

ode to veeck
06-09-2006, 10:12 AM
Mac was just plain out of position on the fly ball where the runner advanced to 2nd, caught it back on his heels instead of coming through it with a runner on, then the throw to plate when he had no chance on the runner... even if he'd just run it in the runner couldn't have gone to 2nd as the duck snort was so shallow. Talk about bad routes ... on the other hand the Kittens have a great kid at CF, witness the fantastic catch at speed running into the Rowand padding in right CF wall, robbing Uribe's gapper

viagracat
06-09-2006, 10:17 AM
Next to catcher and shortstop, the most crucial defensive position on a baseball field is the centerfielder. A mediocre one can kill your pitching staff. Witness Rob Mackowiak last nite. A lackadaisical throw after the catch allowed a Tiger baserunner to take 2nd and eventually score. Later in the game , a little league mistake of not hitting the cutoff man cost another run. I've lived in Pittsburgh for the past 25 years, so I've seen Mackowiak in action. He's a butcher in the field. He's capable of 3 errors and 4 rbis in one game. Anderson, despite his lousy batting average, is a 5 tool player and an excellent fielder- he's the future. A stopgap may be to have Pods play CF as he did in Milwaukee- but you still need an outfielder that's decent to play left- which the Sox don't have right now-- Oh for Ken Berry, Tommie Agee, or Aaron Rowand- they gotta do something before their pitchers commit suicide.

Uh, you can't be a "five tool player" if you can't hit, as one of the tools is hitting. We've been through this CF situation constantly on the boards here. But if I understand correctly, BA is probably going to Charlotte this weekend. Too bad, I like the kid. But he's not hitting right now. :(:

kittle42
06-09-2006, 10:17 AM
I would like if they sent Anderson down to get his confidence back... It worked for Rowand and Mickey Mantle, I think Anderson has a lot of Nice tools to work with It's just all mental at this point.

[Sesame Street music]One of these three is not like the others....[/Sesame Street music]

digdagdug23
06-09-2006, 10:22 AM
[Sesame Street music]One of these three is not like the others....[/Sesame Street music]

Ahh, sesame street, I miss that little ditty. That one and the Electric Company one where they combined words. I loved Morgan Freeman and Rita Moreno.

Here's one for BA:

suit-case

suitcase

Sox-o-matic
06-09-2006, 10:24 AM
Just one question:

How in the hell can someone expect to be mentally in the game when he's not playing in the game?

First Brian struggles and is taken out a few times for Rob. Then he continues struggling and is sent out only against leftys. Now he isn't going to face leftys that often either, even though Mack looked terrible against Rogers last night.

Chez
06-09-2006, 10:29 AM
I would like if they sent Anderson down to get his confidence back... It worked for Rowand and Mickey Mantle, I think Anderson has a lot of Nice tools to work with It's just all mental at this point.

Did you just put Mickey Mantle and Brian Anderson in the same sentence? :D:

Mackowiak is a corner outfielder pure and simple (in fact, when we got him from the Pirates, I thought he was projected to play more infield than outfield). Anderson is the best option available in our system -- we need to make a deal (duh!) if we want a quick fix.

Tekijawa
06-09-2006, 10:44 AM
Did you just put Mickey Mantle and Brian Anderson in the same sentence? :D:

Just to let you know half this board was ready to Run Rowand out of town before they sent him down after his injury for a few weeks and he figured out how to hit again...

And a bit of History for you people that don't like the Mantle reference... does this sound like any story that you know?

http://z.lee28.tripod.com/sbnslegends/id11.html

"Mantle was immediately anointed as the Yankees next superstar. Following Ruth (#3), Gehrig (#4), and Dimaggio (#5), Mantle was given #6. At first, he did not respond well and was sent back to the minors in July. Mantle returned to New York a few weeks later a new man with a new number, 7. He hit .361 in 166 at-bats after his return and played in his first World Series that fall. Mantle finished his rookie season with a .267 average, 13 home runs, and 65 RBI - just a glimpse of what was to come."

Jenks is 45, so maybe he can wear 54 or something when he comes back up. Anderson has a lot more talent and athleticism than Rowand did/does, Certainly not as much as Mantle, but I think that Anderson can turn it around and be a very good CF for years to come, once he stops thinking and just starts hitting the ball.


Little bit more Irony Mantle was batting .177 When he was sent down for a few weeks, Anderson has hovered arounf 171 for about a month and is currently batting .158

Chez
06-09-2006, 11:36 AM
I also think B.A. will eventually be a fine player -- just not as unbelievable as Mickey Mantle. At this point, I'd settle for Mickey Rivers!

Zisk77
06-09-2006, 12:26 PM
I agree Brian isn't a 5 tool player (but not because he can't hit - its unfair to judge that part of game yet) because he can't run. His speed is slightly better than average. He's great defensively because of his reads, jumps and athleticism. A five tool players are rare because so few can run and throw well. I think BA can be a 4 tool player eventually.

CHEESESOXER
06-09-2006, 01:14 PM
I've been a Sox fan all my life.
I lived for the WS win last year.
I have to say that Mick is my all time favorite player.
I don't feel like this is traitorous to our Sox.

jongarlandlover
06-09-2006, 01:18 PM
we definitely need a CF.

BA's defense is stellar. honestly, i don't care if he hits .000, his defense makes up for it. if he's sent down and macko's our starting CF, i'll never feel comfortable. sure, his offense is better, but his defense is lacking, as apparent in last night's game.

DickAllen72
06-09-2006, 06:38 PM
I've lived in Pittsburgh for the past 25 years, so I've seen Mackowiak in action. He's a butcher in the field. He's capable of 3 errors and 4 rbis in one game.

Hi! & welcome to WSI. :gulp:

Since you're more familiar with Mackowiak, can you fill us in on how well he plays other positions, especially 3B?

From what I've seen so far, he seems to play pretty well in the corner OF spots but not very well at all in CF. I thought in Pittsburgh he was primarily a RF/3B who can also play some LF and 2B.

Thanks for your input!

swanson24
06-09-2006, 06:50 PM
We do need a centerfielder. Brian could be this guy but he isn't right now. If we can't get a centefielder in a trade then we should move Podsednik to center and put Mackowiak in left.

QCIASOXFAN
06-09-2006, 07:35 PM
We do need a centerfielder. Brian could be this guy but he isn't right now. If we can't get a centefielder in a trade then we should move Podsednik to center and put Mackowiak in left. I like that idea also but I heard that Ozzie does not want to put Pods in center. His basic reasoning was he played center with the Brewers and they were not that good and he doesn't have the best arm. I can also see that he doesn't want to screw up his entire outfield, but at some point you have to do or try something different. I trust Ozzie will figure it out in the long run.:smile:

DANSOX67
06-10-2006, 09:13 AM
Hi! & welcome to WSI. :gulp:

Since you're more familiar with Mackowiak, can you fill us in on how well he plays other positions, especially 3B?

From what I've seen so far, he seems to play pretty well in the corner OF spots but not very well at all in CF. I thought in Pittsburgh he was primarily a RF/3B who can also play some LF and 2B.

Thanks for your input!
in a game at 3rd base, he committed 3 errors and hit 2 home runs, one of which is a grand slam- he was the regular rightfielder for awhile in the 2001-03 time frame- he did ok- but as an infielder he was wanting; as a hitter, he was streaky- but when he was hot he could hit anything

viagracat
06-10-2006, 10:55 AM
Well, after last night's game and the way Mack played the position previously, it looks like BA is the guy in CF for now, regardless of his hitting. There's also no real options at this time in terms of callups or trades, and Pods and Ozuna aren't options either. But I think this is Anderson's last chance. So let's hope BA can keep the confidence he shows in the field and show it at the plate. Regardless of his fielding, he has to start hitting now. You don't want two pitchers, as it were, in the lineup when the Sox play in NL parks soon.

Let's get it going, Brian.

caulfield12
06-10-2006, 01:16 PM
"We decided to keep this kid," manager Ozzie Guillen said after Friday's 5-4 victory in which Anderson made a game-saving catch in the eighth inning. "This ballclub was built on pitching and defense. I believe in our philosophy. We're going to stay with him. I'll make the lineup out as best I can.

"Right now, I think the kid is our future. I think he can play at this level, I think we can win with this kid and we're going to take a chance with him until he can't play here anymore."

Asked about Mackowiak becoming an everyday center fielder, Guillen said:

"Can Mackowiak play center field every day? I don't think he can. I wish he could. That's not his job. His job is to play all around. That's why I told Brian we need you to play good to make our team better."

How about moving Podsednik from left to center and playing Mackowiak or Pablo Ozuna in left? He played center with the Milwaukee Brewers.

"Did you see Podsednik play center field?" Guillen said. "The Brewers were in last place two years in a row. He can play left field on a world championship team. I don't think he can play center field.

"I don't think Podsednik can play center field [well enough] to win a championship. I don't think he's a bad center fielder. [But] it's a little different playing center field for the Milwaukee Brewers two years ago and playing center field for a championship team."

All you need to know...from chicagosports.com

SouthSoxFan
06-11-2006, 11:38 AM
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO OBP SLG AVG OPS
118 448 71 132 24 3 16 57 210 44 115 .360 .469 .295 .829
115 K's in 118 games, or once every 4.3 plate appearances. That's Anderson's stat line from AAA Charlotte last year. That fact he's struggling in the bigs shouldn't be a surprise. The Sox had to be prepared to deal with this.

Chips
06-11-2006, 11:41 AM
[Sesame Street music]One of these three is not like the others....[/Sesame Street music]

Mickey Mantle, the others couldn't hold a candle to him.