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Law11
06-08-2006, 08:11 AM
Just tossing it out there. Story in todays Sun-Times talks about inquiries made for Torii but they want too much. My question to toss out there is
what's he worth to us.

I'll hang up and listen to your resonse...:D:

thepaulbowski
06-08-2006, 08:14 AM
Just tossing it out there. Story in todays Sun-Times talks about inquiries made for Torii but they want too much. My question to toss out there is
what's he worth to us.

I'll hang up and listen to your resonse...:D:

They won't trade Torii within the division unless the Sox were to extremely overpay for him.

Law11
06-08-2006, 08:16 AM
The story did mention that the Twins were willing to trade within the division.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-brian08.html

I highly doubt it as well. But you never know...

itsnotrequired
06-08-2006, 08:20 AM
The story did mention that the Twins were willing to trade within the division.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-brian08.html

I highly doubt it as well. But you never know...

This would be the first Sox-Twins trade in 20 years.

1917
06-08-2006, 08:39 AM
Love to have him, no doubt...but the asking price is always high at first...we have 7 weeks before the deadline...It will drop before the end of the deadline

1917
06-08-2006, 08:45 AM
And this would cost us McCarthy for sure...they would love to have a young rotaion of Loriano, Bosner, and McCarthy (not fingernails on a black board)

batmanZoSo
06-08-2006, 08:48 AM
I'd really prefer we address the bullpen, first. But that's just me talkin'...

The Immigrant
06-08-2006, 08:55 AM
Nononononononono.

He's getting old and gets hurt every season, it would be too expensive (Minnesota needs pitching above all, meaning McCarthy), he would be a three month rental, this is his contract year and he's still mediocre (.250 avg. on the road, .266 overall), he swings for the fences every time, etc., etc.

Plus, after the Jaime Burke incident I couldn't stand to see this guy in a Sox uniform. He should be a Yankee, along with the other jagovs.

digdagdug23
06-08-2006, 09:25 AM
I heard Jason Grimsley is available.

Ol' No. 2
06-08-2006, 09:30 AM
I see no reason why the Twins wouldn't do it once they're out of it for this year. Hunter is in the last year of his contract and the Sox are very unlikely to pick up his option for next year. The only way this makes sense from the Sox perspective is if it's July, Anderson is in AAA and still not hitting, and there are no better options.

twsoxfan5
06-08-2006, 09:31 AM
I would rather have someone who is not a rental. If we have to give a lot away I would like to get a guy back who we can count on for a couple of years. There are a lot of guys out there who are going to be available and I think we can wait. On a side note would you guys trade Brian Anderson for Juan Pierre. I personally think Pierre could be a great number nine hitter.

Ol' No. 2
06-08-2006, 09:36 AM
I would rather have someone who is not a rental. If we have to give a lot away I would like to get a guy back who we can count on for a couple of years. There are a lot of guys out there who are going to be available and I think we can wait. On a side note would you guys trade Brian Anderson for Juan Pierre. I personally think Pierre could be a great number nine hitter.What's wrong with a rental? That's all they really need. Generally they cost less in trade, and Anderson is going to be a solid major league CF for years to come. His struggles are temporary. No chance I would trade him for Pierre.

mccoydp
06-08-2006, 09:40 AM
They won't trade Torii within the division unless the Sox were to extremely overpay for him.

The Twins would definitely need to be out of the race as well.

digdagdug23
06-08-2006, 09:44 AM
Nope, nadda, no way, Jose. BA is going to pan out, he is just taking his ML lumps like the majority of players do. He is probably going to go back down to AAA, get the kinks worked out and come back in and make some major noise. We dump him, espcially to the Twinkies, I would slit my own throat when we had to play against him, drooling at what we could have had. Same for any other team that would take BA in a trade. Besides, Pierre is having his own problems, and now has wrigley scum all over him, do you realize how long it would take to wash that off?

We got a little spoiled with AR in CF, at the end of the season, when it mattered most, all positions were screwed down tight. We have a proverbial question mark right now at CF, and are still .5 games out of first. Let's not throw the baby, the house, and the car out with the bathwater. I am not totally sold on BA yet, but his defense is solid, and he has youth on his side, and our staff is solidly behind this kid, as well. There has to be a reason.

viagracat
06-08-2006, 09:46 AM
I'd really prefer we address the bullpen, first. But that's just me talkin'...

You're probably right now that Pollitte is on the DL and Nelson done maybe for good, according to a report I heard on the radio. But Hunter would look good in a Sox uniform. He's a grinder. If the Sox don't pull away and the CF situation doesn't improve, they will "rent a player". I could get used to Hunter.

jdm2662
06-08-2006, 09:47 AM
In a word, no. Tori Hunter has always been overrated and overpayed. He's great in CF, but his hitting isn't really worth the money he is making and will demand. The Twins will want lots in return for him as well, and they sure as hell not going to trade him to the Sox anyway.

stl_sox_fan
06-08-2006, 09:49 AM
Nononononononono.

He's getting old and gets hurt every season, it would be too expensive (Minnesota needs pitching above all, meaning McCarthy), he would be a three month rental, this is his contract year and he's still mediocre (.250 avg. on the road, .266 overall), he swings for the fences every time, etc., etc.

Plus, after the Jaime Burke incident I couldn't stand to see this guy in a Sox uniform. He should be a Yankee, along with the other jagovs.
But he wins gold gloves even when he only plays 98 games!!!

He's GOLD Jerry, GOLD!!!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0c/Kenny_Bania.jpg/250px-Kenny_Bania.jpg

walrus
06-08-2006, 09:49 AM
Carl Crawford.

NonetheLoaiza
06-08-2006, 10:08 AM
Carl Crawford.

Fixed it...

There's nothing wrong with a rental. :cough: Geoff Blum :cough: Albeit, he wasn't exactly the kind of rental that you guys are talking about.

QCIASOXFAN
06-08-2006, 10:22 AM
Carl Crawford. Now that would be sweet!

sullythered
06-08-2006, 11:10 AM
On a side note would you guys trade Brian Anderson for Juan Pierre. I personally think Pierre could be a great number nine hitter.
No, thank you. Mackowiak is a better offensive player and a better defensive player. Pierre would be a step backward from Rob in every category except speed. I wouldn't trade Pablo Ozuna for Juan Pierre, no teal.

Irishsox1
06-08-2006, 11:31 AM
I'd rather have Mike Cameron.

Fuller_Schettman
06-08-2006, 12:15 PM
I'd rather have Mike Connors!

http://www.nndb.com/people/016/000022947/mike-connors-4-sized.jpg

Flight #24
06-08-2006, 12:18 PM
Hunter would definitely be an upgrade over the current situation - He's kind of a good middle ground between BA & Mack.

The question is - what will it take to get him. I don't know that Hunter represents enough of an upgrade to send over anything more than middling prospects for him (assuming the Sox take on the full cash of his deal).

The other question is - who else is out there that might be had cheaper. Cameron would be a possibility with less of a "name" that if significantly cheaper, could be a better use of resources to provide similar D but probably worse O.

I'd focus on other candidates for now if I'm KW, only because Hunter's got the name that the Yanks would love to add, and the only way to get a guy like that is to give up something of significance, and he's not worth that.

Ol' No. 2
06-08-2006, 12:24 PM
Hunter would definitely be an upgrade over the current situation - He's kind of a good middle ground between BA & Mack.

The question is - what will it take to get him. I don't know that Hunter represents enough of an upgrade to send over anything more than middling prospects for him (assuming the Sox take on the full cash of his deal).

The other question is - who else is out there that might be had cheaper. Cameron would be a possibility with less of a "name" that if significantly cheaper, could be a better use of resources to provide similar D but probably worse O.

I'd focus on other candidates for now if I'm KW, only because Hunter's got the name that the Yanks would love to add, and the only way to get a guy like that is to give up something of significance, and he's not worth that.Unless you want the Twinks to eat some major cash on his contract, I can't see any team offering that much for a two-month rental. One or two mid-level prospects would do it. The Twinks are not going to pick up his option, so they'd get nothing when he walks.

Lip Man 1
06-08-2006, 12:28 PM
It would certainly upgrade the club. The two questions though would be:

1. What would the Twins want for him?

2. What are the implications for Anderson?

By that I mean if you are going to trade two, three or maybe even four players (I assume minor league types) that you probably want Hunter around for longer then three months or so (unless the players traded are very low level). But if you actively want to sign Hunter to an extention are you 'giving up' on Anderson (Not that that's automatically a bad thing...)

From reading the paper it sounds like Ozzie isn't willing to give up on the long term future for the kid. (Although it sure looks like he's headed back to Charlotte this weekend...)

You wonder if any other outfielder may become available who won't cost as much as Hunter.

For me I thought the more interesting (and more realistic trade) story was the part where Ozzie said he and Kenny have talked about bullpen trade possibilities but it's to early as other teams aren't ready to deal.

Lip

oeo
06-08-2006, 01:00 PM
I would rather have someone who is not a rental. If we have to give a lot away I would like to get a guy back who we can count on for a couple of years. There are a lot of guys out there who are going to be available and I think we can wait. On a side note would you guys trade Brian Anderson for Juan Pierre. I personally think Pierre could be a great number nine hitter.

If we don't give up Anderson in the trade, he's our future. I can't see him carrying on this .160 average for years on end. Something isn't right, he needs to get things worked out in the minors where he can play everyday. If we got someone to replace him in center for the year, he could work everything out and be ready for years to come.

infohawk
06-08-2006, 01:29 PM
All I know is that I would love to have Carl Crawford patrolling center right about now. Can you imagine our line-up with Crawford batting 9th? A whole lot of bags would be swiped between Pods and Crawford as they hit in front of Iguchi, Thome, Konerko and Dye (assuming they would still be on base by the time Konerko and Dye came up).

Sxy Mofo
06-08-2006, 01:57 PM
Can we stop the carl crawford thing unless it's actually a possibility?


I seem to be drooling on my keyboard thinking about this.

southside rocks
06-08-2006, 02:09 PM
I heard Jason Grimsley is available.

Yeah, the Sox could probably get him for the cost of his legal bills, which will only be a few million over the next year or so...

Ol' No. 2
06-08-2006, 02:18 PM
Can we stop the carl crawford thing unless it's actually a possibility?


I seem to be drooling on my keyboard thinking about this.Amen. These wet dream trade ideas are getting tiresome.

miker
06-08-2006, 02:28 PM
I heard Jason Grimsley is available.
But is he really good enough now that he's off the stuff?

miker
06-08-2006, 02:30 PM
Carl Crawford.
Yeah, nothing like a guy with a bum knee to pick you up.

GOGOGOPODS
06-08-2006, 04:56 PM
Bullpen help first.... then CF

gf2020
06-08-2006, 05:56 PM
From: http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/rozner.asp?id=197232

Torii Hunter to Fox Sports Net, on why A.J. Pierzynski didn’t fight back after the Michael Barrett punch: “If that was me, I’d have punched the guy closest to me. … Maybe it’s because he’s not from the ghetto.”



I really like the team right now. Why screw it up with this jerk?

oeo
06-08-2006, 06:21 PM
From: http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/rozner.asp?id=197232

Torii Hunter to Fox Sports Net, on why A.J. Pierzynski didn’t fight back after the Michael Barrett punch: “If that was me, I’d have punched the guy closest to me. … Maybe it’s because he’s not from the ghetto.”



I really like the team right now. Why screw it up with this jerk?
He's a gamer, and plays Ozzie's style of baseball. I don't see him screwing anything up, has he had any problems in the past?

That said, I would find it real hard to cheer for the guy. I said the same thing about AJ, though. If the price is right, I don't see why Kenny wouldn't pull the trigger. Gold Glove outfielder with enough offense to hit at the bottom of the order...I'd accept him as part of the team if it meant another championship.

santo=dorf
06-08-2006, 06:24 PM
Just tossing it out there. Story in todays Sun-Times talks about inquiries made for Torii but they want too much. My question to toss out there is
what's he worth to us.

I'll hang up and listen to your resonse...:D:
Seriously, use the search feature.

The horse is beyond dead.
He makes $10.75 million this year, has an option for $12 million......aw the hell with it.

:threadsucks

santo=dorf
06-08-2006, 06:25 PM
I heard Jason Grimsley is available.
I heard the Sox need an HVAC technician for USCF. Who knows the USCF ventilation systems better than Grimsley?

slowlearner
06-08-2006, 07:07 PM
If we're talking rentals, I wonder what would it take to pry Kenny Lofton away from the Dodgers?

I know...not an ideal solution, but think about it... He has decent offensive numbers- certainly good enough for a nine hitter, you can platoon him with Mackowiak, and he probably won't cost too much.

The only caveats would be his range and availability. I haven't seen him play in years, so I can't say how effective his defense currently is, but if he can play adequately, he should do okay.

That is, of course, if the Dodgers are willing to move him.

pearso66
06-08-2006, 07:17 PM
My question is, if they send Anderson down, who comes up? it would have to be an OFer right? Charlotte currently has 3 OFers, I think all of which they won't want to sit down while Anderson is righting himself. Do they bring up Sweeney and see if he can do any better? or do they bring up their RFer and put him on the bench?

TaylorStSox
06-08-2006, 07:35 PM
The thing I like about Hunter is that he is an impact player. You can't really define it with stats, but he seems to be in the mix in big situations.

With defense being the key to our team, IMO, I'd love to have him. Only for a rental though. I'm still a BA fan.

eurotrash35
06-08-2006, 07:46 PM
Torii gets a bad rap for the hit on Burke but he really is one of the nice guys in baseball. Some friends of mine were down in Florida for spring training a few years back and he took the time to talk with them after the game and even signed some stuff and took a picture with them. He plays the game like it should be played and I wouldn't mind one bit if we picked him up. If we could swing a deal with a few mid-level prospects I would be all for it.

eurotrash35
06-08-2006, 07:47 PM
The thing I like about Hunter is that he is an impact player. You can't really define it with stats, but he seems to be in the mix in big situations.

With defense being the key to our team, IMO, I'd love to have him. Only for a rental though. I'm still a BA fan.

word

caulfield12
06-08-2006, 07:58 PM
The buyout on Hunter´s deal for next year is $2 million.

If the Twins paid that, the White Sox could pay him $5 million for half the season....keep on monitoring Anderson´s progress, and decide what to do at the end of the season.

We would still have Anderson, Owens and Sweeney, although a trade scenario would probably include one of those 3 for sure. The White Sox, at this point, would obviously be keeping Dye for next season. From what OG said today, none of the minor leaguers (Owens, Sweeney, Rivera) are options for the big league club at this point.

Obviously, with a new stadium in MIN, there´s a possibility they might try to keep him or get him to re-negotiate his deal. The problem with the Twins is they´re stuck with Radke as well.

But I don´t think it is a given the Twins deal him...I think they need to wait and see how Kubel turns out first.

WSox8404
06-08-2006, 09:19 PM
Nope, nadda, no way, Jose. BA is going to pan out, he is just taking his ML lumps like the majority of players do. He is probably going to go back down to AAA, get the kinks worked out and come back in and make some major noise. We dump him, espcially to the Twinkies, I would slit my own throat when we had to play against him, drooling at what we could have had. Same for any other team that would take BA in a trade. Besides, Pierre is having his own problems, and now has wrigley scum all over him, do you realize how long it would take to wash that off?

We got a little spoiled with AR in CF, at the end of the season, when it mattered most, all positions were screwed down tight. We have a proverbial question mark right now at CF, and are still .5 games out of first. Let's not throw the baby, the house, and the car out with the bathwater. I am not totally sold on BA yet, but his defense is solid, and he has youth on his side, and our staff is solidly behind this kid, as well. There has to be a reason.

Yeah BA will eventually be fine, but we are not rebuilding this year. We are in it to win it all this year again and BA hitting .158 is not going to fly. If we sucked this year then BA stays up the whole year. But we don't. We need to do something.

gobears1987
06-08-2006, 09:49 PM
I know the Twinkies will never deal to the AL Central, but I now will say I want Torii here. He has a glove and he can give us better ABs than BA. We've been more than patient with Anderson. With Uribe slumping, we can't afford to have our 8 and 9 hitters below the Mendoza line this late in the season. Anderson's batting is like having a pitcher in the 9 hole. Mackowiak can bat, but he can't field. Torii can do both.

Lip Man 1
06-08-2006, 10:32 PM
GoBears:

Actually according to published reports in the twin Cities, the Twins have said they would trade to a divisional rival.

I'm assuming it's because they are trying to get as much as they could for him, and if that's from the Sox or Tribe or whomever so much the better for them.

Lip

eurotrash35
06-08-2006, 10:35 PM
What do we give up though? I wouldn't even consider sending anybody on our 25 man roster.

chisoxmike
06-08-2006, 10:37 PM
No.

Banix12
06-08-2006, 10:47 PM
What do we give up though? I wouldn't even consider sending anybody on our 25 man roster.

Considering most of the Twins woes over the last few years have been offensive and the trading Hunter would leave yet another hole in their lineup I would have to think Josh Fields would have to be part of any deal. They don't really want Tony Batista playing 3b.

thomas35forever
06-08-2006, 10:51 PM
There's a nice way to damage our chemistry.

eurotrash35
06-08-2006, 11:20 PM
There's a nice way to damage our chemistry.

We heard that about AJ too.

Madscout
06-09-2006, 12:20 AM
We heard that about AJ too.

Yes, yes. But unlike AJ, some guys who are said to be jerks are just that...jerks.

Ol' No. 2
06-09-2006, 12:40 PM
Considering most of the Twins woes over the last few years have been offensive and the trading Hunter would leave yet another hole in their lineup I would have to think Josh Fields would have to be part of any deal. They don't really want Tony Batista playing 3b.And I think Josh Fields is too high a price. Remember, this is nothing but a half-season rental. Unless the Twinks are picking up some major cash in the deal, we're talking AA pitchers, not nearly-major-league-ready players.

Save McCuddy's
06-09-2006, 01:56 PM
And I think Josh Fields is too high a price. Remember, this is nothing but a half-season rental. Unless the Twinks are picking up some major cash in the deal, we're talking AA pitchers, not nearly-major-league-ready players.

No question. The Twins will be ecstatic to be let off the hook for the remaining 5.5 million for this year. They do have to buy him out of the 12 mill option for next year for 1 or 2 million as well I believe. Whoever pays out that cash for them can have Hunter for less than Mike Caruso, Ken Vining, Brian Manning, Bob Howry, Keith Foulke and Lorenzo Barcelo I'm sure.

In the meantime, can we make it a month without BA's or equivalent D in CF?

ma-gaga
06-09-2006, 03:31 PM
Remember, this is nothing but a half-season rental.

It depends on the competetion. If the Yankees are willing to pick up the contract AND throw in some upper level prospects. (Do they have any left?) And... Who else a.) is looking FOR a CF? b.) is looking to TRADE away CF?? If there are 6 buyers and only 2 sellers, the sellers are going to rule. The Twins, for example, want "upper level prospects" for Kyle Lohse (yes, multiple). The value of pitching is so absurd right now. With the Yankees picking up and playing Scott Erickson. I think it's very likely that the Twins WILL GET VALUE for Lohse.

Either way, it's still too early for the Twins to "admit" that they are out of this season. And they have the 3rd worst record in the American League. This is something that's just going to have to wait until the All-Star Break before teams shift into "rebuilding" mode.

When the Twins do trade, typically their M.O. has been to pick up the remaining contract since they're already committed to it. So, yeah, with the Twins paying Hunter, they will expect to get back value. Not "2 mid level prospects".

I've said it before, I'll be shocked if the Twins trade Hunter. I think they try to extend him to a 3-4 year deal. :angry:

Banix12
06-09-2006, 04:35 PM
And I think Josh Fields is too high a price. Remember, this is nothing but a half-season rental. Unless the Twinks are picking up some major cash in the deal, we're talking AA pitchers, not nearly-major-league-ready players.

Didn't say I would make the trade, just saying that's what I think the Twins will ask for.

I do disagree though that AA pitchers will be the asking price. Hunter may not be a great hitter but he has been basically the heart of the order and an allstar centerfielder. They are going to want major league ready talent and some team is going to give it to them.

Ol' No. 2
06-09-2006, 05:20 PM
Didn't say I would make the trade, just saying that's what I think the Twins will ask for.

I do disagree though that AA pitchers will be the asking price. Hunter may not be a great hitter but he has been basically the heart of the order and an allstar centerfielder. They are going to want major league ready talent and some team is going to give it to them.To answer both you and ma-gaga, I agree it will depend on who the buyers and sellers are. If it's a seller's market the price could be higher, but it's too soon to tell that now. But it's unusual (though not unheard of) for a half-year rental to bring top prospects in return.

Grzegorz
06-09-2006, 08:33 PM
Just say NO to Torii Hunter.

Tragg
06-10-2006, 07:52 AM
If it involves a top or near top prospect, no it isn't worth it to rent a mediocre hitter in the last year of his contract. He hits clean-up and has an OBP of .328 - that's pretty bad.

They aren't going anywhere and they know it; if we're stupid enough to offer top prospect(s) for him, they'll be smart enough to accept it.