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Timmy D's
06-08-2006, 02:56 AM
He was about 12-10' from reaching 3rd and Joey was wavin' him, and LF'er was simultaneosly chargin' and ryin to scoop N' fire. We got lucky there!! Joey woulda had him walkin into a death trap! Cora always seems tro know some how though!! It's UNCANNY!!! Keep it up JOEY!!!!:bandance:

Trav
06-08-2006, 03:00 AM
Many times the fielder will rush and misplay the ball. Being aggressive when you can't seem to manufacture runs helps sometimes. They are going to run out of innings their fair share of the time. I have no problem with being aggressive. And I hope they keep it up.

ilsox7
06-08-2006, 03:06 AM
The chances of a back-up left fielder coming up with the ball cleanly and making a throw home that the catcher can handle in a pressure situation are low.

SOecks
06-08-2006, 07:06 AM
The chances of a back-up left fielder coming up with the ball cleanly and making a throw home that the catcher can handle in a pressure situation are low.

Yup. It's a credit to a coach knowing the situation, players, and game as he's paid to do and getting great results because of it. Great job on his part.

soxinthecity
06-08-2006, 07:19 AM
That was a huge chance that just happen to go in our favor, but from the replay it was clear right after the ball was misplayed the next shot shows Joe just touching the bag, if picked up cleanly the ball would have already been on it's way to the plate and he would of been out clearly.

The chances of a back-up left fielder coming up with the ball cleanly and making a throw home that the catcher can handle in a pressure situation are low.

The chances of them being misplayed are far greater than being made, maybe if the left fielder was a bit deeper it would of been OK to send him but not a shot like that which gets to the fielder in a hurry.

But hey it worked out, so yeah it was a good call.:smile:

peeonwrigley
06-08-2006, 07:21 AM
I think Joey still had time to stop him if the ball was played cleanly. At least, that's what I took away from the play.

WhteSox725
06-08-2006, 07:55 AM
I think Joey still had time to stop him if the ball was played cleanly. At least, that's what I took away from the play.

Same here. If the ball had been picked up cleanly it looked like there would have been enough time for Crede to stop.

TornLabrum
06-08-2006, 08:03 AM
Ya gotta love Sox fans. They even bitch about the plays that work!

SoxFan76
06-08-2006, 08:12 AM
If you put pressure on the defense, things happen. That's what Cora did/has done for the last 2 years.

yesenia
06-08-2006, 08:59 AM
Ya gotta love Sox fans. They even bitch about the plays that work!

Fans are as relentless as the team.

samram
06-08-2006, 09:04 AM
The chances of a back-up left fielder coming up with the ball cleanly and making a throw home that the catcher can handle in a pressure situation are low.

Maybe it was the back-up left fielder that was dipositive in making that decision, but I think that the Sox have been so bad at getting runners in from third with less than two out lately that Joey didn't think he could risk not sending him. Either that or Joey just doesn't have a stop sign, 'cept for PK.

The_Floridian
06-08-2006, 09:08 AM
:capone

"Joey and I had an arrangement with the left fielder."

IlliniSox
06-08-2006, 09:10 AM
Same here. If the ball had been picked up cleanly it looked like there would have been enough time for Crede to stop.

The first base line camera angle showed a flinch by Crede, Cora was right on the play to keep him moving.

Murphy10
06-08-2006, 09:27 AM
Is Joey one of the most agressive third base coaches you guys have ever seen?

Ol' No. 2
06-08-2006, 09:32 AM
Cora is doing what he did all last year. Sure sucked how that worked out.

Sometimes the runner will get nailed by 10 feet, but on balance, being aggressive (not stupid) pays off.

He gone
06-08-2006, 09:34 AM
I like Joey's aggressiveness :bandance:

Anybody else think Joe Crede runs like Ron Cey :redneck

http://www.hunt101.com/img/412177.jpg

daveeym
06-08-2006, 09:44 AM
I like Joey's aggressiveness :bandance:

Anybody else think Joe Crede runs like Ron Cey :redneck

I remember a cubs game at wrigley where Cey hit an inside the park homer and they timed the replay over and over again and I think it took him 19 seconds to round the bases.

ondafarm
06-08-2006, 09:54 AM
In general, aggressive baseball pays off, you make the opposition throw you out by making a good play.

The other thing to factor in is that was the winning run (doggone, Daver is probably going to bann me for pointing that out) not the tying run. If it's the tying run you play a little more conservatively.

Lastly, I think that was a CIC situation. Cora was looking right at the left fielder and giving Joe the go, but I think conditionally. As in, you are prepared to stop the man should the fielder make the play absolutely cleanly. If you have the stop sign up you can't change to go (not easily.) If you have the go and have to stop him, you can do it anytime up until he passes you. If Gomez picks that ball up cleanly, I think Cora stops Joe.

SCarolina_Ron
06-08-2006, 09:59 AM
Hawk & DK credited Joey for causing the guy to drop the ball. They said it's common for fielders to glance at the 3B coach to determine if the runner's going home. I think it was a great deception and agree with others that there was time for Crede to stop if necessary.

viagracat
06-08-2006, 10:20 AM
I'm guessing Cora doesn't send Crede if Monroe was still in left, but he got hurt on the Podsednik triple and some kid Gomez took his place; a guy I guess Detroit just called up as he wasn't in the Detroit roster in the Sox scorecards. Cora gambled that Gomez couldn't handle a pressure play like that, and he was right. Cora kept his head in the game, and the Sox now have a chance to sweep and retake first place!

I liked it.

:)

samram
06-08-2006, 10:20 AM
I remember a cubs game at wrigley where Cey hit an inside the park homer and they timed the replay over and over again and I think it took him 19 seconds to round the bases.

Was the outfielder shot or something? Broken arm? Spontaneous combustion? How would it take that long to get the ball in?

Vernam
06-08-2006, 10:30 AM
The point of coaching third base is not to avoid ever having someone thrown out at home. (Especially when there are two outs.) Show me a coach who never gets an out at home, and I'll show you a crummy coach.

Same thing with stealing bases. If you're afraid of getting picked off once in a while, you'll never steal many bases.

But yeah, we did get lucky last night. I bet they have a scouting report on the guy, and no doubt Joey was aware he's a backup who came in when Monroe got hurt.

Vernam

1917
06-08-2006, 10:42 AM
I really don't think he would have sent him if he didn't bobble it, Cora had a view and enough time to stop him, the replay showed it

FedEx227
06-08-2006, 10:51 AM
Is Joey one of the most agressive third base coaches you guys have ever seen?

Are we going to consider Wavin' Wendall stupid or aggressive?

twsoxfan5
06-08-2006, 10:52 AM
I was at the game with my sister and we were bothing yelling NO NO NO as we saw Cora waving him around and as soon as Gomez over ran the ball we were yelling GO GO GO. I look at it more as knowing the situation on Cora's part rather than being overly aggressive.

Timmy D's
06-08-2006, 11:37 AM
I was at the game with my sister and we were bothing yelling NO NO NO as we saw Cora waving him around and as soon as Gomez over ran the ball we were yelling GO GO GO. I look at it more as knowing the situation on Cora's part rather than being overly aggressive.

I think I was sitting next to you as I was yellin' the same thing.:wink: Good points made by everyone here!! Glad it worked out!! Let's get this sweep!!!!!

Chicken Dinner
06-08-2006, 11:41 AM
Sometimes you just have to "force the action"

cbotnyse
06-08-2006, 11:45 AM
I agree with most people's thoughts here, aggression pays off.

If the runner was caught I would have said, "at least we are staying agressive on the base paths" .....always force the defense to make a play.

Tigerslover
06-08-2006, 12:10 PM
I'm guessing Cora doesn't send Crede if Monroe was still in left, but he got hurt on the Podsednik triple and some kid Gomez took his place; a guy I guess Detroit just called up as he wasn't in the Detroit roster in the Sox scorecards. You would be correct in that statement. He was called up recently, not exactly sure when but I think it was soon after Maroth went down on the DL. He had been up here earlier in the season and helped us win a couple of games, getting the game winning hit in one of them.

credeistheman
06-08-2006, 12:18 PM
I think Joey still had time to stop him if the ball was played cleanly. At least, that's what I took away from the play.

dead on. watch joey whenever anyone is rounding second, he's waving 'em until they get within a stride or two of third, that's when he either holds 'em up or send them home. it's probably a way of getting the players to hustle, if you're rounding second and you see joey waving you in you're gonna turn on the jets.

North Sox Sider
06-08-2006, 12:20 PM
Yeah, I agree that Joey had time to stop joe if it was picked up cleanly but also I think he really wanted that left fielder to see him waving mr. clutch home so he would rush the play. It worked out for him. I sometimes bash Joey for being too aggressive sometimes but he knows a lot more than me about coaching 3rd.

miker
06-08-2006, 02:33 PM
Are we going to consider Wavin' Wendall stupid or aggressive?
3rd base coach Wendall Kim = Stupid aggressive.
3rd base coach Joey Cora = Good aggressive!

Ol' No. 2
06-08-2006, 02:42 PM
If anyone thinks Cora makes these decisions just off the cuff, you couldn't be more wrong. He spends a lot of time before each series going over the opposition outfielders...who's got the strong arm, who plays deep, who's got the speed to run down a ball in the gap, etc. etc. And he's looking over the outfielder configuration before each pitch. If you never get anyone thrown out at home, you're being too conservative. There's a difference between taking intelligent risks and stupid risks.