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JohnTucker0814
06-07-2006, 03:18 PM
Okay guys... lets all admit what we are really feeling! This is one of the best years to be a White Sox fan! We are World Series Champions, defending our title! How many of you have ever been able to say that about a team you're rooting for? We have a bunch of guys on this team that are easy to root for! They seem like they are your friends! I just love this team!

Everytime I start to get upset at us playing bad, I think to myself... before last year I would have given everything to see them win a World Series... and they did...

They have a free pass for a few years from me. As long as I see them playing hard, thats all I can ask for as a Sox Fan!

What do you guys feel?

SweetnesSox
06-07-2006, 03:31 PM
They have a free pass for a few years from me. As long as I see them playing hard, thats all I can ask for as a Sox Fan!

that's not right. No "free passes" on the south side. you play hard and you win, end of story.

getonbckthr
06-07-2006, 03:37 PM
They have a free pass for a few years from me. As long as I see them playing hard, thats all I can ask for as a Sox Fan!

What do you guys feel?
I am greedy I want a title every year, and every year we don't win it should be considered a failure.

peeonwrigley
06-07-2006, 03:37 PM
What do you guys feel?
That if this team does not make at least the ALCS they will have monumentally underachieved in my eyes (barring major injuries). And I'll be pissed if they don't win it all.

Sorry, no free passes. Yes, 2005 will take away some of the sting if the Sox don't go all the way this season. But fans must still hold this team to the highest of standards.

AuroraSoxFan
06-07-2006, 03:40 PM
I always said the same thing about wanting them to win it just once during my life. Now that they have, I have to admit it.....I want more! Call me greedy. Sure the last week and a half or so hasn't been the most fun in the world as far as the southsiders go. But ya gotta have confidence in their raw talent and leadership. Nothing is ever guaranteed, but everyone involved with the team in any way seems well aware of that much. Free passes may be ok down the road, but my expectations for their success have never been higher than they are for THIS year. I say it's all about this year. Leave the "next year" talk(s) to that other team in town.

miker
06-07-2006, 03:42 PM
Yes! Maybe if we censor the "Dark Clouds" and other naysayers, everything will be just ducky, win or lose. What an absolutely Tribune-ish/Cub-ish thought! :angry:

I see where you are coming from, but IMHO, to "give them a pass" now is the equivalent of accepting mediocrity. Myself, and quite a few other Sox fans, didn't wait some part of 88 years just so we could say "Okay, we won in 2005, let's go back to business as usual!"

I don't want you to take this the wrong way. If anything, I admire your ability to be relaxed.

Last night's win was the first one in a while that reminded me of how the 2005 World Champs did it. Let's keep it going!

ws05champs
06-07-2006, 03:42 PM
Last year makes for good memories, but this is now. While I thought I could be content having actually been to a World Series game in my lifetime and seen the Sox as champs, I now believe that once is not enough.

cbotnyse
06-07-2006, 03:44 PM
I understand how you feel...but we have the same team as last year, only better. we all have high expectations to get it done again....I will be dissapointed if we do not, at the very least, make it back to the ALDS.

samram
06-07-2006, 03:46 PM
My expectations are that this team will be in the World Series. If they don't make it, I'll consider this a wasted year. No free passes- not for this team. They're too good for that.

getonbckthr
06-07-2006, 03:47 PM
He who lives in the past, shall have no future. He who lives for the future loses his past. He who lives for the moment can both celebrate the past and controll the future. Remember how great 2005 was and use that towards the success of 2006 and beyond.

1917
06-07-2006, 03:47 PM
If we didn't win the WS last year, I'd be more pissed about our recent play, because the hunger for the feeling of being World Champs would still be in me...but I admit, I'm taking loses with a lot less anger this year.... that being said, we have an excellent team, and if don't return to the post season, I would be dissapointed, but not as much as recent years....As far as the Sox recent skid, find me a team in baseball that doesn't go thru 1 or 2 rough patches a year, and I'll buy a beer next Sox game...it happens to everyone, thats baseball....but the Sox have to good of a team to be flukes, we will have more good then bad patches, we just have to ride the wave, thats why baseball season is so much fun, you never know what will happen....we will go thru a rough patch again this year, count on it, but also count on that we will recover, because we have the coaching and the talent.

JohnTucker0814
06-07-2006, 04:01 PM
If we didn't win the WS last year, I'd be more pissed about our recent play, because the hunger for the feeling of being World Champs would still be in me...but I admit, I'm taking loses with a lot less anger this year.... that being said, we have an excellent team, and if don't return to the post season, I would be dissapointed, but not as much as recent years....As far as the Sox recent skid, find me a team in baseball that doesn't go thru 1 or 2 rough patches a year, and I'll buy a beer next Sox game...it happens to everyone, thats baseball....but the Sox have to good of a team to be flukes, we will have more good then bad patches, we just have to ride the wave, thats why baseball season is so much fun, you never know what will happen....we will go thru a rough patch again this year, count on it, but also count on that we will recover, because we have the coaching and the talent.

This is kind of what I was getting at. "Free Pass" is meaning that I am not so upset at losses this year like I have been in the past. As I said in my first post, as long as I see them working hard, giving 110%, thats all I can ask. Baseball is a sport where the "best" team does not win all the time. Just because we've assembled the "best" team in baseball does not mean we should be completely upset if they don't return to the World Series. It is hard to win 1... You can argue that the Yankees had the best team in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005, they have won 0 during that time.

cbotnyse
06-07-2006, 04:06 PM
This is kind of what I was getting at. "Free Pass" is meaning that I am not so upset at losses this year like I have been in the past. As I said in my first post, as long as I see them working hard, giving 110%, thats all I can ask. Baseball is a sport where the "best" team does not win all the time. Just because we've assembled the "best" team in baseball does not mean we should be completely upset if they don't return to the World Series. It is hard to win 1... You can argue that the Yankees had the best team in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005, they have won 0 during that time.

do you work for ESPN? :D: :tongue: :cool:

JohnTucker0814
06-07-2006, 04:15 PM
do you work for ESPN? :D: :tongue: :cool:

HaHa, I don't watch ESPN. Just making a point about baseball...

BeviBall!
06-07-2006, 04:24 PM
If we didn't win the WS last year, I'd be more pissed about our recent play, because the hunger for the feeling of being World Champs would still be in me...but I admit, I'm taking loses with a lot less anger this year....

Yessir. I've undergone a complete attitude change regarding losses. If they lose out this year, will I be upset -- sure, but I don't receive a paycheck from the Sox. They are a release for me and my dead end job. I think people that let their team of choice, dictate their mood and/or sleep patterns, are ridiculous.

minutia
06-07-2006, 04:45 PM
I think the better thing to say in lieu of a "free pass" is the threshold of disapointment for the team has been raised, slightly. I expect them, and always have, expected them to play hard and win every season. I used to take comfort in the fact if they finished at 500 or better. However now that I have been to the top of the mountain there is no going back. I want to do it all over again as many times as possible. I love this team but I don't want to watch crap baseball either.

digdagdug23
06-07-2006, 04:53 PM
Okay guys... lets all admit what we are really feeling! This is one of the best years to be a White Sox fan! We are World Series Champions, defending our title! How many of you have ever been able to say that about a team you're rooting for?

Well, not so long ago there were these two other teams called Da Bears and Da Bulls..............but all things being equal, this was the funnest, mostly because we flew under the radar all season, and there were still major doubters heading into the big show. Bears were dominating and truly monsters of the midway, they are still ranked as one of the best defenses of all times. Then there were the Bulls, Tex Winter, Phil Jackson, triangle offenses, zen approaches, they were the real deal and EVERYONE knew it. You have to wonder if there will ever be another dynasty and chemistry like the Bulls of the '90s. Many will replicate, but none will duplicate.

hawkjt
06-07-2006, 05:04 PM
I just think this is our second best chance to go deep into the playoffs after last year and I do not want to squander these rare opportunities.

Winning the division is a big deal and I think this team is capable of doing it.

But 05 softens my anger , no doubt with individual players that fail occasionally. Like juan- I am willing to put up with his hitting cuz he has done it before and I just have to think he did no lose his talent over the winter.
And Jon Garland- I am much more patient with him now.

MarySwiss
06-07-2006, 05:45 PM
You can argue that the Yankees had the best team in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005, they have won 0 during that time.

Yeah, you could argue that. But not with me. Sox fan first, D'Backs fan second.

The D'Backs outplayed the Yanks in that entire series. And that series should've been over in five, with the Yanks winning Game Three--maybe. In Games Four and Five, the Yanks didn't beat the D'Backs; they beat one overawed pitcher--BK. You could argue--and probably will--that Brenly shouldn't have brought him back out in Game Five. And you may well have a point, but that would mean that Brenly screwed up, not that the Yanks had the better team.

Edit: Whoops, temporary thread hijack, but c'mon...!

Jjav829
06-07-2006, 05:46 PM
I always said the same thing about wanting them to win it just once during my life. Now that they have, I have to admit it.....I want more! Call me greedy. Sure the last week and a half or so hasn't been the most fun in the world as far as the southsiders go. But ya gotta have confidence in their raw talent and leadership. Nothing is ever guaranteed, but everyone involved with the team in any way seems well aware of that much. Free passes may be ok down the road, but my expectations for their success have never been higher than they are for THIS year. I say it's all about this year. Leave the "next year" talk(s) to that other team in town.

Don't feel greedy. That's what being a sports fan is all about. We got put in an odd position as fans because our team had gone so long without winning a championship. But as a fan you should always hold your team to the highest standards. You should always wants to see them succeed to at the highest level, regardless of whether their last championship was 2 years ago or 50 years ago.

caulfield12
06-07-2006, 06:35 PM
See Atlanta Braves, Cleveland Indians, Minnesota Twins, Oakland A's....how many WS Championships have they won since 1992?

ONE. It's not that easy. There's a good reason no team has repeated since the Yankees. It would be sweet, but I don't expect. Just making the playoffs and sustaining the positive momentum we have vis a vis the Cubs would be satisfying to me. But we really only have this year and 2007 to make a legit run, then we're going to have to retool or reload.

thomas35forever
06-07-2006, 06:40 PM
Fans are going to start criticizing their team when they're not reaching their full potential. The Sox are going to go through stretches like the one we just had, and there's nothing we can do to stop the dark clouds. They're part of the game and they're part of sports. We have to live with it.

Lip Man 1
06-07-2006, 10:46 PM
I'll be disappointed if the Sox don't make it back to the post season either as divisional champ or the wild card winner because of what, I think, back to back postseason appearances could mean for the future of the franchise and their place in the city.

However bottom line I'd be extremely angry if this team were to fall apart and have a season like in 1968, 1973, 1984 or 2001.

At the very least, bottom line, I expect a 'winning' season.

Lip

fuzzy_patters
06-08-2006, 12:48 AM
I'll be disappointed if the Sox don't make it back to the post season either as divisional champ or the wild card winner because of what, I think, back to back postseason appearances could mean for the future of the franchise and their place in the city.

However bottom line I'd be extremely angry if this team were to fall apart and have a season like in 1968, 1973, 1984 or 2001.

At the very least, bottom line, I expect a 'winning' season.

Lip

I agree, and I feel the entire premise is very...http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:s80JY-YpLw9wiM:img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/enseign/cartoni/pollyanna.jpg.


As a fan, you should always expect the best from your team, and there is added pressure as the defending champs. It has been established that these players have enough talent and failure to at least make the post-season would be a tremendous dissapointment.

FireMariotti
06-08-2006, 12:58 AM
You can't just give a team this great a free pass. Were living in a golden age right now for White Sox baseball. If there is a time to get greedy this is it.

I look at this year as another statement year. A lot of people still think the 05 Sox were a fluke team that got hot at the right time. Another WS win will silence anybody who still has doubts about how talented this team really is.

Thank god for KW. We all know he wont be issuing any free passes.

Nellie_Fox
06-08-2006, 01:17 AM
I wish I could figure out how to search up the thread from last year where so many people swore up and down that if the Sox could just win one world championship, they'd be satisfied forever, no matter how much the Sox sucked afterward. It'd be interesting to see how many of those people are on this thread saying how pissed they'll be if the Sox don't repeat.

ilsox7
06-08-2006, 02:31 AM
I wish I could figure out how to search up the thread from last year where so many people swore up and down that if the Sox could just win one world championship, they'd be satisfied forever, no matter how much the Sox sucked afterward. It'd be interesting to see how many of those people are on this thread saying how pissed they'll be if the Sox don't repeat.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=61786&highlight=world+series+forever+happy

EdHerman12
06-08-2006, 09:42 AM
I've always been proud to be a White Sox fan because they represent the kind of people I grew up with, hard working and dedicated to whatever they do. All I've ever wanted was to se them hoist the trophy and they did it. I don't expect them tp go 162-0 every season, but I think this organization is going in the right direction that I'm like Ozzie in the fact that just getting in the playoffs is not good enough.However with that said, I think each and every fan has a right to be "concerned' at times. Truth be told, I'm concerned about our pitching. If our pitchers struggle and the bats don't come through, we lose.With pitch counts being so important these days the bullpen will have to get the job done.I look back at the Texas series and folks they have a darned good team down there. I've read many of the post game comments. It's good that there are those who have a "relax, everything will be fine" attitude. At the same time it's important that there are those who panic. The team hasn't even begun to take on teams like the Red Sox and Yankees yet, and yes there is a long way to go so hang on because if you look at the schedule coming up, there's going to be a lot of happy folks and some ducking from the sky falling!

GO SOX!

viagracat
06-08-2006, 10:11 AM
If I understand this correctly, a "dark cloud" is a guy who, even if the Sox won a game 11-2, will complain that we left eight men on base (one guy comes to mind :rolleyes: ). Or that we have no chance against a particular pitcher because he's lefthanded or whatever. Or that Detroit may as well print their World Series tickets now. In other words, a real downer to be around.

If the Sox have a bad day at work, let 'em have it. Sox fans expect and demand good ball. That's OK. Playing bad doesn't cut it, and calling the team out when that happens doesn't make you a "dark cloud". It's when times are good and you're still going "yeah, but..." on and on without offering anything constructive is what pisses people off here.

SCarolina_Ron
06-08-2006, 10:19 AM
Nobody deserves a free pass (at least in Baseball) as there is no reason to strive for excellence. That said, I have a hell of a lot of confidence in Ozzie & KW and am much more patient than I would be in the past with things like our bullpen this year and BA.
:cool:

Nellie_Fox
06-09-2006, 01:54 AM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=61786&highlight=world+series+forever+happyGood searching, but that's not the one I was thinking of. The one I'm talking about was before the Sox won, and people were swearing that one championship would make them happy for the rest of their lives.

ilsox7
06-09-2006, 01:55 AM
Good searching, but that's not the one I was thinking of. The one I'm talking about was before the Sox won, and people were swearing that one championship would make them happy for the rest of their lives.

Hmmm. I will try to find that one. :smile:

getonbckthr
06-09-2006, 02:01 AM
Good searching, but that's not the one I was thinking of. The one I'm talking about was before the Sox won, and people were swearing that one championship would make them happy for the rest of their lives.
That might have been desperation breaking out.