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kevingrt
06-03-2006, 12:12 PM
Right now WSI brothers and sisters what is the biggest area of concern for the White Sox? Is it relief pitching, CF, or something else like SS?

I believe it is relief pitching we have lost more games this year in the bullpen then anywhere else. And I think after seeing this poll get 100+ votes many of you will agree with me. I hope.

chisoxfanatic
06-03-2006, 12:16 PM
If it weren't for the bullpen, we wouldn't have had at least 50% of these losses. There are only three guys in there I have ANY confidence in at all: Jenks, Cotts, Thornton. Polite, McCarthy, and Nelson don't do ANYTHING for this team!

Mohoney
06-03-2006, 12:16 PM
Other-Thome's injury

Sox-o-matic
06-03-2006, 12:19 PM
The bullpen is the biggest concern snce we can't hold a lead.

CF is only a concern IMO if Mackowiak is out there while Juan is playing SS. Put Anderson in center everyday and get a good defensive SS who can put together a nice AB and put down a bunt when you need it and our offense is fine.

Ol' No. 2
06-03-2006, 12:24 PM
Bullpen. Not even a close call.

Second is the inability to hit in the clutch. Way too many runners left on in scoring position.

cbotnyse
06-03-2006, 12:25 PM
pitching pitching pitching....usually its all that matters.

Lip Man 1
06-03-2006, 01:17 PM
While I understand the debate regarding center field, when you have a team bullpen ERA of 4.6, eight losses and six blown games can there be any question?

Lip

kevingrt
06-03-2006, 01:30 PM
While I understand the debate regarding center field, when you have a team bullpen ERA of 4.6, eight losses and six blown games can there be any question?

Lip

No there can't but when I see more threads about trading for CF's then trading for bullpen help I get worried about this place.

EdHerman12
06-03-2006, 01:36 PM
I have to be honest, there have been times in recent games where we had a 4 to 5 run lead and I felt that wasn't enough due to the BP. I sometime wonder, for instance, when Ozzie brings in Cotts and he blows the first 2 batters away and then he takes him out and you can see Cotts is dismayed. I trust in Ozzie's instincts, but what does that do to a pitcher's confidence? I know you go with match ups and what not, but maybe once let the guy try to get through the inning.

We need help in the Pen.

GO SOX!

SouthSide_HitMen
06-03-2006, 01:40 PM
I don't have any major concerns at this juncture outside of Thome returning in a few days.

Every team will lose a few and I think the media will create blame to create something they can write about / blab about.

I would like Ozzie to put Anderson back out in CF on a regular basis. Mackowiak is not Thome or Dye and if Anderson is given time he should put up much better numbers.

I'd like 1 additional reliever either from Charlotte or elsewhere at somepoint but I don't think it is life or death.

I'd like the team to work with Uribe on laying a bunt down and I'd like to see the club get better at bats - it seems many hitters get impatient and swing at the first pitch. Work the pitchers and you'll increase your chances during the at bat as well as over the course of the ballgame.

Chicken Dinner
06-03-2006, 02:04 PM
Panicking fans with over a 100 games remaining.

oeo
06-03-2006, 02:05 PM
I'd like 1 additional reliever either from Charlotte or elsewhere at somepoint but I don't think it is life or death.
Same way I feel. I think the biggest thing at this point is how Ozzie manages the bullpen, which he's starting to get better with. How he managed it last year, is different from how he has to manage it this year. Last year he could depend on a guy like Politte, this year he can't. I still think he's trying to get a gauge on Nelson. But he needs to learn McCarthy's tendencies when he's out there too long, how Cotts will perform (still unknown, he's been inconsistent), and when and when not to bring Bobby in. I still think that Politte is cooked, though, and that's the biggest reason I want another reliever.

Things will get better with what we have now, because the bullpen isn't as bad as it's been performing lately. It's too easy to just say, this guy sucks or that guy sucks because they don't log that many innings. Some of you are basing this off of 1 or 2 outings, and that's not fair when they've had many more good ones. Example: Cotts, he's good. And he's shown flashes of being great, so I'm not going to worry about him because he had a couple of not-so-great appearances.

Do I still want another reliever? Yeah, and I'm sure Kenny is trying his best to get one, but like SouthSide_HitMen said, it's not life or death.

BadBobbyJenks
06-03-2006, 02:15 PM
the pen and its not even close

Gavin
06-03-2006, 04:01 PM
Last year the pen pitched above and beyond, this year they are stinking the place up. I've got to beleive they are going to come back around to "average" sooner or later. B-Anderson doesn't really have an average to come back to.

getonbckthr
06-03-2006, 05:08 PM
As important as the bullpen strength up the middle defensively is key. The CF is supposed to be in charge and Mack doesn't appear to be in control. Something, like I said in an earlier thread, that helps pitching is confidence in the guys behind him. If he feels there are liabilities behind him he is gonna attempt to be more pinpoint and perfect. Where as if he knows the guys behind him will back him up and suck everything up hit to them then they can feel comfortable to challange hitters instead being fancy to strike them out.

The Dude
06-03-2006, 05:10 PM
The 8 people who voted non-bullpen as our biggest problem must either be joking or doing a little too much

:bong:

Chips
06-03-2006, 05:23 PM
Last year the pen pitched above and beyond, this year they are stinking the place up. I've got to beleive they are going to come back around to "average" sooner or later. B-Anderson doesn't really have an average to come back to.

The bullpen is already average. They are right in the middle of the pack of MLB Bullpens. They need to step it up and pitch like they pitched last year. This is a world series team, not an average club. Those that can't handle it, <cough> CLIFF POLITTE <cough> should be demoted, cut, traded, killed, whatever.

Frater Perdurabo
06-03-2006, 06:19 PM
If they want to be taken seriously, I hope that those folks who voted for "center field" as the area of biggest concern voted that way because they are concerned about Mackowiak's ability to field the position at a high level. Brian Anderson has very few equals among other center fielders when it comes to center field defense - and the ability to prevent the opposition from scoring runs!

Now, if the option was re-phrased as "number 9 hitter," I could see the concern (even though I don't think it's that big of a concern).

Same thing for Uribe. I don't think there should be much concern over Uribe playing shortstop. Some may have legitimate concern over his ability batting eighth, however.

Nevertheless, I believe the Sox can afford to start two players simply for their defense because of the overall production in the first seven-ninths of the lineup. If the top of the order is struggling to get on base and move runners over and in, however, blaming the bottom of the order is not the solution!

If there is a problem with the offense in the last 7-10 days, it rests with Pods' recent inability to get on base at a decent clip, Iguchi's inability to move him over, and Crede's recently declining batting average. (I believe these problems are temporary and will correct themselves within a week or two.) Panicking by benching excellent defensive players simply to improve - marginally to infinitesimally - the very bottom of the lineup with career .260 (National League!) hitting utility players most certainly will not improve the offense enough to counteract the inferior defense that those replacements will play that will allow opponents to score more runs, especially when four-fifths of the starting rotation efficiently relies on the defense to make outs!

viagracat
06-03-2006, 07:29 PM
Well, considering the *Official* postgame thread from 6/2 was "Anderson would've gotten it", I would say the biggest problem right now is centerfield, with the 'pen a close second. Having said that, the bullpen has shown some flashes of brilliance at times and I think will again, but CF has been a problem all year.

Mackowiak can hit but can't cover the position. Anderson can cover the position but can't hit. Pods and Ozuma are not options there. Owens and Sweeney are apparently not ready to play center. Yes, we have a problem that surely will be addressed soon unless BA can get it going.

Time to smoke some more dope...:D:

SouthSide_HitMen
06-03-2006, 09:33 PM
The 8 people who voted non-bullpen as our biggest problem must either be joking or doing a little too much

:bong:

Or C - Voted for other. I voiced my thoughts above. The only minor concern (minor because he should return next week) I have is Thome returning. If he misses an extended period the neurosis regarding a few bad bullpen outings or the fact Mack is not a CF & Brian should be starting almost everyday will be far in the rearview mirror.

So I am really not worried about much these days (haven't been since Spring Training 2005) regarding the White Sox and figure these few days are what every team will eventually run into during a 162 game season. Ozzie and KW have things under control. :cool:

Gavin
06-04-2006, 05:58 PM
The 8 people who voted non-bullpen as our biggest problem must either be joking or doing a little too much

:bong:

yeah, seriously. why have a poll when there really is no question....

SoxandtheCityTee
06-04-2006, 08:43 PM
I think the biggest thing at this point is how Ozzie manages the bullpen, which he's starting to get better with. How he managed it last year, is different from how he has to manage it this year. Last year he could depend on a guy like Politte, this year he can't.

I'm sure Kenny is trying his best to get one, but like SouthSide_HitMen said, it's not life or death.

I'm posting this here as the pen is running away with the poll. Bruce Levine replayed this morning an interview he did yesterday with Ozzie that kind of surprised me. Ozzie was unhappy about Friday's loss but calm. When asked about the bullpen Ozzie answered by talking about the starters. He said that our pen is a bunch of "role players" who are supposed to take the game from a strong start (into the 7th or 8th) to Jenks. Instead, they are being asked to do too much because the starters are not going as well or as deep as they did last year.

He sounded to me as though he was saying it's not that our middle relievers aren't doing well (perfomance), it's that we don't have middle relief on this team (design). A flaw for Kenny to fix if he can? Ozzie wasn't asked.

In any event Ozzie pointed out that the record at this point is not much different than at this point last year. Pretty upbeat -- but then I didn't hear today's postgame!

IlliniSox4Life
06-04-2006, 09:19 PM
I'm posting this here as the pen is running away with the poll. Bruce Levine replayed this morning an interview he did yesterday with Ozzie that kind of surprised me. Ozzie was unhappy about Friday's loss but calm. When asked about the bullpen Ozzie answered by talking about the starters. He said that our pen is a bunch of "role players" who are supposed to take the game from a strong start (into the 7th or 8th) to Jenks. Instead, they are being asked to do too much because the starters are not going as well or as deep as they did last year.

He sounded to me as though he was saying it's not that our middle relievers aren't doing well (perfomance), it's that we don't have middle relief on this team (design). A flaw for Kenny to fix if he can? Ozzie wasn't asked.

In any event Ozzie pointed out that the record at this point is not much different than at this point last year. Pretty upbeat -- but then I didn't hear today's postgame!


Ozzie's right about the starters, but the thing is, they aren't really that big of a concern. They aren't performing great now, but they will (except maybe Garland who will probably improve too). Mark, Jose, Freddy, and Javier will all start performing much better. The bullpen doesn't necesarily look that way.

Lip Man 1
06-04-2006, 09:31 PM
The reality is that the greatest pitching staffs of all time (starter wise) can't always go into the 7th and 8th innings every game.

It's simply impossible. You have to have the folks available to pick up the slack when the starters can't physically go that distance.

If the Sox thought this was going to be the case in 2006 from the five starters they badly miscalculated (personally I don't think they expected this...)

Bottom line is that the organization KNEW if was down two relief guys from trades. They also KNEW that Hermanson was a question mark because of his back. For whatever reason or reasons they were not able to fill those holes and they are now paying the price for it.

Hopefully in the very near future they can begin to rectify those errors in judgement.

Lip

thomas35forever
06-04-2006, 10:07 PM
It's gotta be the bullpen. They really haven't been very consistent in the past week or so. Politte's future with the team is in question right now, McCarthy needs to give up runs in the 2nd inning and not the 7th or 8th inning when we have a lead.

After that, centerfield is our biggest problem.

Chips
06-04-2006, 10:11 PM
It's gotta be the bullpen. They really haven't been very consistent in the past week or so. Politte's future with the team is in question right now, McCarthy needs to give up runs in the 2nd inning and not the 7th or 8th inning when we have a lead.

After that, centerfield is our biggest problem.
McCarthy is a reliever not a starter. And if he wants to change that, he can go back to Charlotte.

Centerfield is not a problem. BA has a awesome ****ing glove and an awesome ****ing arm. So he's not hitting good. We need defense over offense.

LauraJ14
06-05-2006, 12:34 PM
I am concerned about our starting pitchers with high pitch counts in the 5th or 6th innings.
I am concerned about crappy defense plays in the outfield and at SS.
I am concerned that the bottom of the lineup is under the Mendoza line.
I am concerned about some of Ozzie's lineups and pitching decisions. Like taking out Garland when he walked a batter Friday and having the bullpen lose the game, or using 4 relievers to get through the 8th inning on Saturday (was that necessary?)
Its June 5th, we had a chance to make up ground on the Tigers this past week and we didn't.
Other than that I am fine!

Chicken Dinner
06-05-2006, 01:03 PM
Too many walks by both starters and relievers.
Too many home runs balls-especially by JG.
No clutch hitting, with the exception of Crede.
Ozzie doing commerials instead of focusing on his team.
Too many walks
Too many walks.

kevingrt
06-05-2006, 01:16 PM
Too many walks by both starters and relievers.
Too many home runs balls-especially by JG.
No clutch hitting, with the exception of Crede.
Ozzie doing commerials instead of focusing on his team.
Too many walks
Too many walks.

You are so right, BB are becoming and have been a huge problem and it is one of the most annoying things in baseball let alone life.

Jerko
06-05-2006, 01:38 PM
Two things worry me and they can both be blamed on pitching; starters AND bullpen. For one, I'm kinda getting sick and tired of the fact that it seems EVERY time the Sox score, the other teams scores in their very next at bat. Two, can somebody, starter, reliever, ANYBODY, start getting the bottom of the other team's order out????????????????? I'm sick of the opponents' 7-9 hitters outscoring the Sox whole team lately (Broussard, Laird, Boone, Blake etc.)

jenn2080
06-05-2006, 01:44 PM
Bullpen enough said!

robiwho
06-05-2006, 01:48 PM
I get nervous whenever Ozzie goes to the bullpen.

Lip Man 1
06-05-2006, 01:50 PM
I go for a drink when Ozzie goes to the bullpen.

:o:

Lip

Jerko
06-05-2006, 01:54 PM
Well, maybe for a few weeks (pending any trades or pickups), Ozzie has to stop with the mixing and matching out of the pen. If one guy is in there getting people out, say Cotts for example, leave him in for more than one batter. Can't keep wasting guys for one batter anymore. The more people you bring in, the better chance of somebody screwing up.

Jjav829
06-05-2006, 01:58 PM
It's obviously the bullpen. If you combined our entire bullpen, we could probably form two reliable relievers.

I don't even know what that means, but it sounded good. :D:

Blob
06-05-2006, 02:00 PM
Other- Fan Loyalty

voodoochile
06-05-2006, 02:02 PM
Other- Fan Loyalty
:dumbass:

Fake Chet Lemon
06-05-2006, 02:08 PM
Bullpen, it's so demoralizing to the entire team when the bullpen blows leads and ties.

Cub fans used to tell me the pain in their gut when LaTroy Hawkins would enter a game. The players have to get the same sick feeling when their bullpen is bad.

Frater Perdurabo
06-05-2006, 02:09 PM
The reality is that the greatest pitching staffs of all time (starter wise) can't always go into the 7th and 8th innings every game.

It's simply impossible. You have to have the folks available to pick up the slack when the starters can't physically go that distance.

If the Sox thought this was going to be the case in 2006 from the five starters they badly miscalculated (personally I don't think they expected this...)

Bottom line is that the organization KNEW if was down two relief guys from trades. They also KNEW that Hermanson was a question mark because of his back. For whatever reason or reasons they were not able to fill those holes and they are now paying the price for it.

Hopefully in the very near future they can begin to rectify those errors in judgement.

Lip

Lip, I agree that it's a pipedream to expect starters to pitch into the 7th or 8th innings every time. However, last year, on average the Sox starting pitching pitched into the seventh inning (6.2 innings per start). So, it would not have been unreasonable for the Sox to expect their starters to average 6.2 innings per start this year, especially since Vazquez is an upgrade, health-wise, over El Duque.

Unfortunately, Garcia has not had his normal velocity all year. Up until very recently Garland has not been up to his 2005 form. Buehrle has had a couple of clunkers. Contreras missed two starts. So, the starting pitching HAS NOT been what Ozzie had expected going into the season.

Again I have to beat a dead horse. Starters might last a bit longer with better center field defense behind them - the kind of defense that Brian Anderson provides and Mackowiak does not provide. An out instead of a hit shortens the inning and reduces the number of pitches a pitcher throws in an inning. This translates into starters being able to go deeper into games.

That being said, I still agree with Lip that the area of most concern remains the bullpen. The Sox have to assume the worst case scenario - that their pitchers will not average 6.2 innings per start - and they have to address the bullpen situation accordingly.

Finding a competent right-handed reliever (or a lefty who can get righties out) is Job Number 1 for Kenny. I don't care if the solution is a veteran or a rookie, just so the guy gets hitters out and doesn't give up any walks.

jenn2080
06-05-2006, 03:33 PM
I don't have any major concerns at this juncture outside of Thome returning in a few days.

Every team will lose a few and I think the media will create blame to create something they can write about / blab about.

I would like Ozzie to put Anderson back out in CF on a regular basis. Mackowiak is not Thome or Dye and if Anderson is given time he should put up much better numbers.

I'd like 1 additional reliever either from Charlotte or elsewhere at somepoint but I don't think it is life or death.

I'd like the team to work with Uribe on laying a bunt down and I'd like to see the club get better at bats - it seems many hitters get impatient and swing at the first pitch. Work the pitchers and you'll increase your chances during the at bat as well as over the course of the ballgame.


Does anyone remember we won a WS without Thome last year?!?! I like the Thome. He is a great player and a valuable asset to the team, but we need to stop and realize that we did this without him last year and everyone needs to stop thinking it is the end of the world. There is no reason the throw the whole team on his shoulders.

FedEx227
06-05-2006, 03:39 PM
Other- Fan Loyalty

Okay, why anytime theres a bit of concern over a team thats lost 7 of its last 10 and clearly has an awful bullpen its all "Wait guys, the season is early, blah blah". The fact is the bullpen is a wreck, we can paint a pretty picture on everything like the other side of town does or we can actually make something happen before its too late.

Most of the people are "dark clouds" on this board, because we've seen this all before. Back when we had Shuler at GM, Manuel, Lamont and Bev, we laid back, waiting, everything will work itself out... but it didn't. The holes we had in the beginning of the season, were still big holes even at the end.

Is it that out of this world for fans of a team to atleast want their home team to fill a hole they have? Is it that bad that we have seen that the bullpen is clearly not made for the long run?

SouthSide_HitMen
06-05-2006, 04:21 PM
Does anyone remember we won a WS without Thome last year?!?! I like the Thome. He is a great player and a valuable asset to the team, but we need to stop and realize that we did this without him last year and everyone needs to stop thinking it is the end of the world. There is no reason the throw the whole team on his shoulders.

Well you are not going to win the WS without him this year. I would fear losing Thome for a significant stretch of time above and beyond the 4 or 5 games he will be benched due to interleague :angry: and the games he has missed to date. In time Ozzie / KW will return Anderson to near everyday starts in CF (or acquire someone who can adequately play CF). When Thomas went down last year we had Everett who wasn't perfect but filled in well for the team. I don't think Gload would produce anything near Everett's 2005 level.

I am still nowhere near hitting any panic button and I voted other as I think "this too (latest slump) shall pass". Cotts, Jenks and Thornton are fine. Hopefully McCarthy can adjust. I still think Politte's hiding an injury - only time well tell. It would be great if KW could get another bullpen arm but it is not life or death. Losing Thome would be a serious blow - as bad if not worse than losing a starter (since McCarthy would fill in though that would require another hole in the bullpen to be plugged).

thomas35forever
06-05-2006, 04:30 PM
McCarthy is a reliever not a starter. And if he wants to change that, he can go back to Charlotte.

Centerfield is not a problem. BA has a awesome ****ing glove and an awesome ****ing arm. So he's not hitting good. We need defense over offense.
That's just my point on McCarthy.

My problem with centerfield is that we have a starter who can defend, but can't hit. Our backup can hit, but he's just an average fielder. That's what I was trying to say.

kwolf68
06-05-2006, 04:35 PM
Bullpen...Brian Anderson hasn't cost us 6+ games like the pen.

minutia
06-05-2006, 04:37 PM
This thought occured to me but colud the fact that in our recent "slump" this is really the first time the bullpen is being used in game situations? I have been watching all season and for the most part the starter goes at least 7 innings, a reliever comes in for an inning and then they go to Jenks. Maybe they are not loose enough? Anyway just a thought.

Ol' No. 2
06-05-2006, 04:43 PM
Bullpen...Brian Anderson hasn't cost us 6+ games like the pen.And how, exactly, did you determine how many games his weak hitting has cost them? He's had 116 AB. 100 pts in batting average translates to 12 extra outs he's made. How many of those outs have killed rallies that would have made the difference in the game? How many times has the top of the order come up with the bases empty and an extra out?

Frater Perdurabo
06-05-2006, 06:11 PM
And how, exactly, did you determine how many games his weak hitting has cost them? He's had 116 AB. 100 pts in batting average translates to 12 extra outs he's made. How many of those outs have killed rallies that would have made the difference in the game? How many times has the top of the order come up with the bases empty and an extra out?

What kind of batting average with RISP, or with no outs, do you expect out of Brian Anderson? If he was batting 100 points higher overall, he'd have 12 more hits, right? Do you expect that all 12 of those hits would have come ONLY when the bases were loaded, or with runners in scoring position, or with no outs?

I'd be willing to bet in the games he has played that Anderson has caught far more than 12 fly balls for outs that Mackowiak would have missed, plus the balls that Mackowiak missed that Anderson would have caught (I personally have seen two in late inning situations in close games in the four measly games I've watched this year, both of which helped lead to Sox losses.).

paciorek1983
06-05-2006, 06:19 PM
My concern is the bullpen. In a way, the bullpen I think can also affect the starting pitchers. If the starters know the bullpen is stinking it up, it may put more pressure on the starters and therefore they may not pitch as well either. It a viscious cycle.:(:

Ol' No. 2
06-05-2006, 06:48 PM
What kind of batting average with RISP, or with no outs, do you expect out of Brian Anderson? If he was batting 100 points higher overall, he'd have 12 more hits, right? Do you expect that all 12 of those hits would have come ONLY when the bases were loaded, or with runners in scoring position, or with no outs?

I'd be willing to bet in the games he has played that Anderson has caught far more than 12 fly balls for outs that Mackowiak would have missed, plus the balls that Mackowiak missed that Anderson would have caught (I personally have seen two in late inning situations in close games in the four measly games I've watched this year, both of which helped lead to Sox losses.).It's not just hitting with RISP, but keeping rallies going, or (be still my heart) actually starting a rally with the top of the order to follow. Not every one of those extra hits he might have gotten would translate into a run, but not every extra catch translates into a run, either.

I'd be willing to bet that in the games Anderson has played he has NOT caught 12 more fly balls for outs that Mackowiak would have missed. He's played 48 games, so that would translate into one every four games. That just seems way too high to me. If we were talking about SS, then maybe, but there aren't as many really difficult chances in CF. And if you're going to count the ones that Mackowiak missed that Anderson might have caught, you also have to add in the extra outs BA would have made at the plate, which makes it a wash.

I'm sure someone at BP has some kooky statistic that can calculate this with 4 decimal point accuracy, but short of going over game tapes and counting them, we'll never settle this.

The bottom line here is that Mackowiak isn't more than a temporary solution. They need to find a CF that can hit decently and play better defense than Mackowiak (even if not as good as Anderson). He doesn't have to be an All-Star - just better than we have now.

I still see Anderson as the CF of the future, but he's too big a liability at the plate to play every day right now. He'd have a better chance of working out his problem in AAA where he can play every day and with a lot less pressure.

Edit: Also, how long before Anderson starts taking his struggles at the plate out to CF with him? With a young player it's almost bound to happen sooner or later.

Beautox
06-05-2006, 08:25 PM
It's not just hitting with RISP, but keeping rallies going, or (be still my heart) actually starting a rally with the top of the order to follow. Not every one of those extra hits he might have gotten would translate into a run, but not every extra catch translates into a run, either.

I'd be willing to bet that in the games Anderson has played he has NOT caught 12 more fly balls for outs that Mackowiak would have missed. He's played 48 games, so that would translate into one every four games. That just seems way too high to me. If we were talking about SS, then maybe, but there aren't as many really difficult chances in CF. And if you're going to count the ones that Mackowiak missed that Anderson might have caught, you also have to add in the extra outs BA would have made at the plate, which makes it a wash.

I'm sure someone at BP has some kooky statistic that can calculate this with 4 decimal point accuracy, but short of going over game tapes and counting them, we'll never settle this.

The bottom line here is that Mackowiak isn't more than a temporary solution. They need to find a CF that can hit decently and play better defense than Mackowiak (even if not as good as Anderson). He doesn't have to be an All-Star - just better than we have now.

I still see Anderson as the CF of the future, but he's too big a liability at the plate to play every day right now. He'd have a better chance of working out his problem in AAA where he can play every day and with a lot less pressure.

Edit: Also, how long before Anderson starts taking his struggles at the plate out to CF with him? With a young player it's almost bound to happen sooner or later.

Finally some logic i can agree with, we lack a complete CF simple as that. The starting pitching has underachieved outside of Jose, leaving our bullpen exposed. Cliff Politte honestly skews the way this bullpen looks: Jenks has been incredible, Neal Cotts is still really good even though he too has under achieved this season thus far, Matt Thornton is a reclamation project and so far he has produced at a level never before seen in his career and will continue to get better, Jeff Nelson is most likely toast, McCarthy needs consistant work and in order to get that, should be moved into the right handed set up man role to get a feel for his change and curve infact use him in a Scot Shields like fashion as a bridge to Jenks, Politte is spent and his problem is a culmination of lack of confidence and loss of velocity on his fastball.


This team was built on pitching and defense and no having Anderson bat .167 is not acceptable no matter how good his glove is, its not quite Henry Blanco territory yet but if he continues to struggle it will be. Between Uribe and Anderson thats 22% of the line up as an auto out, even though Uribe appears to be getting it togeather at the plate and has a history at the ML level(.255), Anderson doesn't, this isn't the NL that isn't ok.

So i suggest one of the following in no particular order.

1.) Corey Patterson:
The positives: He's only 26, signed a 1yr deal and will be a FA after this season, currently batting .286, 7HR 21RBI 26SB/1CS and on a 9 game streak of stealing a base(games not over yet). Plays sterling defense. Might have finally turned the corner in his career.

The negatives: hes a career .255 hitter, might not be able to handle coming back to Chicago (all though i doubt it). Could've had him for nothing in the off season and given him both Gload's # and spot on the roster, Mackowiak can play 1B.

2.) Carl Crawford:
The positives: He's only 24, we would control him for 5 more years(if I'm not mistaken), eventually can take over podsednik's spot, he's a career .290 hitter. has incredible speed and plays solid defense. The D-Rays are stocked in the OF at both the MLB and Milb level and will be looking to move someone, they have Baldelli, Crawford, Gathright, Elijah Dukes and Delmon Young.


The negatives: as of right now hes day-to-day (http://tampabay.devilrays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060603&content_id=1486481&vkey=news_tb&fext=.jsp&c_id=tb), say good by to our farm system, and possibly McCarthy/Anderson.

I don't think Gary Matthews Jr. is a plausible because Texas is in contention in the AL West.

GoSox2K3
06-09-2006, 01:16 PM
I just cast my vote for "Centerfield" as my biggest concern.

Yes, the bullpen is a concern, but at least we have a few relievers succeeding at AAA that may help. Our bullpen has struggled, but Jenks and Thornton are doing well. I'm confident that Cotts and McCarthy will be more consistent. I think having Politte and Nelson on the DL gives the Sox a good chance to see what Tracey, Montero, or another arm from AAA can do. I have a feeling that at least one of these guys will be acceptable. If none of these guys can help, then at least there are more middle relievers out there that could be had via trade than there are acceptable CFs.

At CF, we have NOBODY who can play an acceptable CF to replace Anderson. No one on our current roster and no one in the farm system. And poor defense in CF causes even more troubles for our pitching as these guys have to get "4 or 5 outs" to get out of an inning at times.

It's apparent that the Sox have concluded that BA needs to go back to AAA to get back on track offensively. What nobody knows is how will they fill that gaping hole in CF until Brian is ready to return. This is a big problem.