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Viva Medias B's
06-01-2006, 10:12 PM
Bad series, but no need to jump off the ledge at all. KW will address the bullpen.

gbergman
06-01-2006, 10:13 PM
Dark Clouds are in the forecast

LongLiveFisk
06-01-2006, 10:14 PM
Very disappointing. Win the 1st and lose the next 3 in Cleveland. :angry:

Yes, the bullpen definitely needs attention.

chisoxmike
06-01-2006, 10:14 PM
KW will address the bullpen.
Will he, will he...

Oh yeah, and

<Insert incredibly overused chunks tag>

INSox56
06-01-2006, 10:14 PM
Can't pitch. Can't hit. Pathetic. Thanks for making it interesting JD.

DumpJerry
06-01-2006, 10:14 PM
This is our August slide. This time, there is plenty of time to recover.

Get home boys!

DachnoPiitu
06-01-2006, 10:14 PM
BIG BAD BULLPEN :mad:

MUsoxfan
06-01-2006, 10:15 PM
I literally threw up in my mouth after that Belliard HR. It's never good when the SP's have to go 8 strong innings to have a chance. I'm not usually a dark cloud but the Sox aren't giving me much of a reason not to be

JB98
06-01-2006, 10:15 PM
When we started the road trip, we were 1.5 games behind Detroit. If the Yankees hang on, we come home 1.5 games behind Detroit.

That's the only positive I've got, guys. Brutal ****ing road trip. This is a big series win for the Indians. Hopefully, we didn't just wake them up. They've been struggling most of the year.

thomas35forever
06-01-2006, 10:15 PM
Definitely the worst series we've played all year. All we can do now is hope the Yankees win again tonight and that we can sock it to Texas this weekend.

INSox56
06-01-2006, 10:15 PM
Here's to hoping the Tigers can't pull any bullcrap off.

1951Campbell
06-01-2006, 10:15 PM
Can't pitch. Can't hit. Pathetic. Thanks for making it interesting JD.

I look at it as "hey, at least there was some offense tonight."

itsnotrequired
06-01-2006, 10:15 PM
This is our August slide. This time, there is plenty of time to recover.

Get home boys!

Assuming there isan't another August slide in August.:redneck

I'm interested in watching the post-game show...

TheDarkGundam
06-01-2006, 10:16 PM
Ugh. So my computer freezes up, WSI chat gets screwed up for me, I restart my computer 3 times, uninstall Java, reinstall Java, restart computer, get back into chat, and the sox have just lost.
This sucked.

chisoxmike
06-01-2006, 10:16 PM
I'm interested in watching the post-game show...

I'm not.

Chicken Dinner
06-01-2006, 10:16 PM
The pen giving up 6 runs in 3 innings is unacceptble. What the hell is going on? :angry:

zach074
06-01-2006, 10:17 PM
Ozzie needs to go off on them again.

Bobbo35
06-01-2006, 10:17 PM
Will he, will he...

Oh yeah, and

<Insert incredibly overused chunks tag>
I was looking for that picture.

MushMouth
06-01-2006, 10:17 PM
Bullpen is making us all sick. I'm not sure which guys can pick it up and which need a change of scenery, but we gotta get some new arms in there. I think McCarthy needs to be starting - in AAA if he has to, but he's struggling from the pen - don't want to kill his confidence.

chisoxmike
06-01-2006, 10:17 PM
The pen giving up 6 runs in 3 innings is unacceptble. What the hell is going on? :angry:

The 'pen blows is what's going on. You score 8 runs in the game including a HUGE 3-R HR by Dye in the 8th, you should win the game.

Brian26
06-01-2006, 10:18 PM
I literally threw up in my mouth after that Belliard HR.

Love him or hate him, but Hawk called that right before it happened.

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 10:18 PM
Well that sucked...

Viva Medias B's
06-01-2006, 10:18 PM
Dark Clouds are in the forecast

Postgame thread tonight = Buffone and OB after a bad Bears loss.

The Wimperoo
06-01-2006, 10:18 PM
Too bad we couldn't manufacture more runs. Oh yeah it's Anderson's fault too!

itsnotrequired
06-01-2006, 10:18 PM
When we started the road trip, we were 1.5 games behind Detroit. If the Yankees hang on, we come home 1.5 games behind Detroit.

That's the only positive I've got, guys. Brutal ****ing road trip. This is a big series win for the Indians. Hopefully, we didn't just wake them up. They've been struggling most of the year.

The fact that Detroit laid an egg is one of the only redeeming things coming out of this.

I hat it when this team beats themselves.

MUsoxfan
06-01-2006, 10:18 PM
Ozzie needs to go off on them again.

Or take the full-liquor bar out of the bullpen. There has to be a reason for everyone sucking other than Jenks that comes out of that pen

Lip Man 1
06-01-2006, 10:19 PM
Wow...just wow.

7th time the Sox lost a game when they had the lead in the 7th inning or later.

Just wow.

Another night of avoiding all news / sports shows for me.

Lip

Chip Z'nuff
06-01-2006, 10:19 PM
..gulp..

MUsoxfan
06-01-2006, 10:19 PM
Love him or hate him, but Hawk called that right before it happened.

I did too. That's what made it worse

zmz723
06-01-2006, 10:20 PM
6-5 yanks going to the bottom of the 9th

farnsworth on the mound :angry:

RowanDye
06-01-2006, 10:20 PM
<singing the blues>...there must be, 50 ways to lose a ballgame :whistle:


Go Yankees!

itsnotrequired
06-01-2006, 10:20 PM
Wow...just wow.

7th time the Sox lost a game when they had the lead in the 7th inning or later.

Just wow.

Lip

Wow, I didn't realize that they had given up that many.

:(:

Bobbo35
06-01-2006, 10:21 PM
I hope Ozzie lays into the bullpen because they absolutely lost the game for the Sox tonight. I'm sweating because I am so pissed!!!!:angry:

Grzegorz
06-01-2006, 10:21 PM
Definitely the worst series we've played all year. All we can do now is hope the Yankees win again tonight and that we can sock it to Texas this weekend.

Start of the Texas series right with a win. Texas seems to match up well with us so we HAVE to be ready for them.

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 10:21 PM
Or take the full-liquor bar out of the bullpen. There has to be a reason for everyone sucking other than Jenks that comes out of that penIt's because Art is limiting him to O'douls.

FedEx227
06-01-2006, 10:21 PM
Bullpen...blah

B-Mac does NOT look comfortable coming out of the pen. It was a good idea, but some guys are made for that and some aren't. I just hope we haven't destroyed his confidence.

MadetoOrta
06-01-2006, 10:22 PM
That line-up was a joke. I've lost all faith in Cintron after his BS swinging at the first pitch the other night. We need a Kyle Farnsworth type and put Mac in Charlotte. Mac may not be cut out for the pen. I desperately wanted a split. I hope we didn't wake up the tribe. Get 'em tomorrow. That's baseball.

Brian26
06-01-2006, 10:22 PM
I did too. That's what made it worse

Yeah, but you didn't invent the batting glove like Hawk did.

:hawk
"Necessity is the mother of invention, DJ."

SoxandtheCityTee
06-01-2006, 10:23 PM
Love him or hate him, but Hawk called that right before it happened.

Wasn't that spooky? And what did Hawk say when the ball was hit out? It sounded like "Bad!" -- but I'm not sure.

infohawk
06-01-2006, 10:24 PM
Yeah, everyone should vent if it will make them feel better, but I choose to look on the bright side of things. The Sox just completed a week where, quite frankly, they didn't pitch or execute in certain situations very well. Even so, they managed to play poorly while Detroit was playing even worse -- somehow managing to actually pick up two games (assuming the Yankees hang on in the 9th inning) on the Tigers. Cleveland gained two games on us, but are still just one game over .500. All in all, it's not that bad.

Bottom line is that the Sox just didn't pitch well throughout the rotation this week. Scoring 8 runs and losing with Jose on the bump is just, well, weird and won't happen very often. The bullpen certainly blew tonight, but that was really set up by the poor start by Jose. I've always said that our bullpen is o.k. as long as the starters go deep and it isn't over-exposed. Well, tonight it was over-exposed and didn't really set up well to allow Ozzie to play matchups. If Jose goes seven and only gives up say, three runs, the entire bullpen sets up differently with Ozzie mixing and matching to get 3 or 4 outs in order to get the ball to Big Bobby. Again, over-exposed.

Two thoughts. KW really does need to address the bullpen, particularly from the right side. Politte isn't the answer. Thornton had a bad outing, but has really made strides and again, should probably only have to face about three hitters an outing right now (just my subjective opinion). McCarthy is going to be really good, but I'm still not convinced he can pitch well out of the bullpen. He seems to me to need to be a starter to be dominating.

Bobbo35
06-01-2006, 10:24 PM
Bullpen...blah

Fingernails on a blackboard does NOT look comfortable coming out of the pen. It was a good idea, but some guys are made for that and some aren't. I just hope we haven't destroyed his confidence.

As Hawk or DJ said he cannot afford to locate pitches over the plate because of the way he throws....as we saw tonight with Belliard.

CubsfansareDRUNK
06-01-2006, 10:24 PM
Remember when everybody was praising Thornton?

MUsoxfan
06-01-2006, 10:24 PM
That line-up was a joke.

That's another thing.....unless Konerko was on his deathbed tonight, there was NO REASON not to pinch-hit him for Gload at the end of the game. It's like Ozzie gave up

robiwho
06-01-2006, 10:24 PM
***? I had to go out for a while and came home to this!

Too depressing.

Jerko
06-01-2006, 10:25 PM
We didn't "wake" anybody IMO. I'm less worried about Cleveland than I am Detroit, and that's not saying much. Be pissed we lost, fine, but let's not worry yet. A little shuffling and the boys will be good to go.

MUsoxfan
06-01-2006, 10:25 PM
Yeah, but you didn't invent the batting glove like Hawk did.

:hawk
"Necessity is the mother of invention, DJ."

Well...that's true:cool:

santo=dorf
06-01-2006, 10:25 PM
\ We need a Kyle Farnsworth type and put Mac in Charlotte. Mac may not be cut out for the pen.
Well we do have his brother tearing it up in AAA.

What's so appealing about a high ERA, high WHIP, meltdown under pressure bullpen guy? Because he can strike people out?:?:

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 10:25 PM
Remember when everybody was praising Thornton?This was only one bad outing for him. He's been unhitable lately. As for Brandon...

Brian26
06-01-2006, 10:26 PM
Remember when everybody was praising Thornton?

You mean yesterday? Yeah, I remember.

infohawk
06-01-2006, 10:27 PM
Remember when everybody was praising Thornton?
I still think he is going to be a big asset. He's bound to have a bad outing every now and then, but he has become much more consistent.

MUsoxfan
06-01-2006, 10:27 PM
Remember when everybody was praising Thornton?

I've got nothing bad to say about Thornton. He's been much better than I could have ever imagined

CubsfansareDRUNK
06-01-2006, 10:27 PM
This was only one bad outing for him. He's been unhitable lately. As for Brandon...

He's useless if he crumbles under pressure

roylestillman
06-01-2006, 10:27 PM
The Logan experiment: Over
The Haeger experiment: Over
The McCarthy experiment: Over
Politte: Stick a fork in him Harry

Time for Trader Kenny to go outside the system. Any ideas?

SluggersAway
06-01-2006, 10:27 PM
This loss isn't all on the bullpen as Contreras left in the 6th inning with the score 5-3 and runners on first and third.

I am not saying that the bullpen did a great job, but Contreras wasn't exactly on his game. Take a look at his line for the night.

thomas35forever
06-01-2006, 10:28 PM
Farnsworth walks the tying run with Pudge at the plate.:angry:

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 10:28 PM
He's useless if he crumbles under pressureEverybody's useless in that case.

Bobbo35
06-01-2006, 10:28 PM
This is the way I look at it and I have said this before. The starting staff needs to throw into the 7th and 8th inning, have the late relief come in and close it out with jenks. Right now the bullpen has no confidence.

The starting pitching has not been stellar lately either. More pressure on a so-so bullpen is going to equal to games like this.

Grzegorz
06-01-2006, 10:29 PM
That line-up was a joke. I've lost all faith in Cintron after his BS swinging at the first pitch the other night.

The lineup didn't cost them the game. When you're up 5-2 you should be able to hold that lead.

Face it, the '06 Injuns are not the '28 Yankees, '29 A's, or the '75 Reds.

Our pitching should hold that lead.

Lip Man 1
06-01-2006, 10:29 PM
This and that:

Viva:

I'm sure Kenny is trying to address the bullpen. But the fact is we can't get those blown games back can we? He gambled going into the season with this bullpen, unfortunately he's paying the price for it.

Plus even if he wants to address the pen, the key word is when will he be able to make a deal (or two...or three) It's still somewhat early.

It'snot:

The pen has 'lost' the Sox five of the seven games:

4/5, 4/8, 5/5, 5/21, 6/1

Starters coughed up the lead in the other two:

4/24, 5/18

Lip

CubsfansareDRUNK
06-01-2006, 10:29 PM
Everybody's useless in that case.

You mean the whole bullpen crumbles under pressure?

infohawk
06-01-2006, 10:30 PM
Time for Trader Kenny to go outside the system. Any ideas? It's probably "pie in the sky" but I would love for KW to see if Scott Shields is available. I have a hard time believing that, despite their struggles, the Angels would let him go.

Something to get excited about, though, is imagining how awesome this team would be if we could turn the bullpen into such a force that we essentially play 6 or 7 inning games. There's a lot of room for improvement on this team and that's flat out scary!:cool:

DachnoPiitu
06-01-2006, 10:31 PM
DETROIT TIES IT

Rangers, Tigers and Indians OH MY

Reds, Cardinals and Astros OH MY

CubsfansareDRUNK
06-01-2006, 10:31 PM
Noooooo God damn it Farnsworth

flo-B-flo
06-01-2006, 10:31 PM
When we started the road trip, we were 1.5 games behind Detroit. If the Yankees hang on, we come home 1.5 games behind Detroit.

That's the only positive I've got, guys. Brutal ****ing road trip. This is a big series win for the Indians. Hopefully, we didn't just wake them up. They've been struggling most of the year. I agree. All of it. If they get their **** together, the injuns would be formidable. If the Yankers cage the tiggers the Sox got a break. I take that one. Obvious BIG bullpen questions. A softball game broke out. The tiggers just tied it.

Epark84
06-01-2006, 10:32 PM
Contreras didnt pitch a great game. The pen has to be addressed or we may not even get a chance to defend the title. Some ground was closed on detroit. But welcome back to the race to the tribe. They will be in it till the end. They are more of a threat to us than detroit. Especially considering the sox cannot touch sabathia or westbrook. And detroit just tied the game.

JB98
06-01-2006, 10:32 PM
Noooooo God damn it Farnsworth

That's a perfect ending to this evening. Very fitting.

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 10:32 PM
You mean the whole bullpen crumbles under pressure?No, re-read your post. You said 'he's useless if he crumbles under pressure.' My point: well yes, that's obvious...anybody who buckles under pressure will become useless.

zmz723
06-01-2006, 10:32 PM
Farnsworth Sucks :angry: :angry: :angry:

FarWestChicago
06-01-2006, 10:32 PM
Anybody who posts about the Kitties/Skanks game in this thread will be whacked. This is the Sox post game Dark Cloud party. Please use the ****ing Skanks/Kitties thread for your June scoreboard watching.

Epark84
06-01-2006, 10:33 PM
is rivera hurt?

FarWestChicago
06-01-2006, 10:33 PM
Farnsworth Sucks :angry: :angry: :angry:You need a week off for abusing this forum.

Bill Naharodny
06-01-2006, 10:33 PM
Postgame thread tonight = Buffone and OB after a bad Bears loss.

Perfect!

Teams with bad bullpens and poor fundamentals usually struggle on the road. And that's where we are right now. Obviously, it needs to change.

Chicken Dinner
06-01-2006, 10:33 PM
On the brighter side, there are 109 games remaining. :smile:

DachnoPiitu
06-01-2006, 10:34 PM
DETROIT WINS... MERCY!:whiner:

infohawk
06-01-2006, 10:34 PM
Contreras didnt pitch a great game. The pen has to be addressed or we may not even get a chance to defend the title. Some ground was closed on detroit. But welcome back to the race to the tribe. They will be in it till the end. They are more of a threat to us than detroit. Especially considering the sox cannot touch sabathia or westbrook. And detroit just tied the game.
We should just prepare ourselves for the reality that we probably have a three team race on our hands. We're up to the challenge!

INSox56
06-01-2006, 10:34 PM
Who wants my tickets...I have ZERO desire to see us lose to the rangers this weekend...

zmz723
06-01-2006, 10:34 PM
Contreras just didnt have his stuff today, wont happen often

FarWestChicago
06-01-2006, 10:35 PM
DETROIT WINS... MERCY!:whiner:You were warned. See you in a week.

flo-B-flo
06-01-2006, 10:35 PM
****in tiggers

FarWestChicago
06-01-2006, 10:35 PM
****in tiggersSee you in a week.

Brian26
06-01-2006, 10:35 PM
DETROIT WINS... MERCY!:whiner:

Reading is a skill, kid.

whitesoxwilkes
06-01-2006, 10:36 PM
A friend of mine just posted to a Sox email list a very soothing quote:

"Losing streaks are kinda like the flu, one day you wake up and you're over it. Until then, you're miserable."

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 10:36 PM
Who wants my tickets...I have ZERO desire to see us lose to the rangers this weekend...Far West was right, this is a party...
:darkclouds:

kittle42
06-01-2006, 10:37 PM
Who wants my tickets...I have ZERO desire to see us lose to the rangers this weekend...

Post of the week.

Bobbo35
06-01-2006, 10:37 PM
Coming back home will be a good thing for the Sox. Ozzie needs to give them another speech and a whipping for the bullpen.

Patrick134
06-01-2006, 10:38 PM
Since game 1 of the a's series, the sox are 5-5. Thats hardly a jump off a building 10 game stretch.

itsnotrequired
06-01-2006, 10:38 PM
Damn, West is kicking ass and taking names!

MUsoxfan
06-01-2006, 10:38 PM
Coming back home will be a good thing for the Sox. Ozzie needs to give them another speech and a whipping for the bullpen.

That first speech really gave the Sox an edge

chisoxmike
06-01-2006, 10:39 PM
Who wants my tickets...I have ZERO desire to see us lose to the rangers this weekend...

Wow. That is stupid. Then give them to me, I know some people who want to go with me then.

Law11
06-01-2006, 10:39 PM
After watching that tiger game its good too see we arent the only ones with pitching issues if someone goes down.

Enter Kyle Farnsowrth...

Lets hope we get our focus over the next 10 games...

FarWestChicago
06-01-2006, 10:39 PM
Damn, West is kicking ass and taking names!There is a thread for that game. This is a Cloud party. Thread hijacking pisses me off.

Brian26
06-01-2006, 10:39 PM
Ozzie needs to give them another speech and a whipping for the bullpen.

If Ozzie starts going on tirades every three or four days, don't you think the meaning would be lost? It's like having a team meeting every other day...it becomes a joke.

JB98
06-01-2006, 10:39 PM
Who wants my tickets...I have ZERO desire to see us lose to the rangers this weekend...

Getting home should help break this losing streak.

Sox at home this year: 19-6
Sox on the road: 14-14

I'm expecting two out of three against the Rangers. We're due to come out of this. Garland is the key. We need him to set a tone with a good start tomorrow night.

Grzegorz
06-01-2006, 10:39 PM
This is Garland's time to shine against a team that seems to have his number.

His outing will set the mood for this weekend.

Bobbo35
06-01-2006, 10:40 PM
That first speech really gave the Sox an edge

no, what it will soon be is a plane ticket to another team.

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 10:40 PM
Post of the week.POTW for the sarcastic comic relief. Thanks, I needed that!

batmanZoSo
06-01-2006, 10:40 PM
I think we forfeit the pennant with this loss. Get my suicide pills!

Jjav829
06-01-2006, 10:41 PM
How was Contreras tonight? I didn't get a chance to watch, but Buster Olney had something the other day about there being talk in baseball circles that Contreras' velocity was down?

The bullpen is bad, but we already knew that. What really concerns me is that Bmac really has not adjusted to pitching out of the pen. And with Politte's crapiness, we really have no effective right-handed setup man right now.

Patrick134
06-01-2006, 10:41 PM
If Ozzie starts going on tirades every three or four days, don't you think the meaning would be lost? It's like having a team meeting every other day...it becomes a joke.


Right, plus, the first speech was about fundamnetal lapses in bunting or fielding. " Don't walk guys and give up homers", isn't the kind of speech that needs to be stated.

EdHerman12
06-01-2006, 10:41 PM
Oh God......:gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: .....need a lot of these!

Well....Sweet home Chicago! Bring on the Lone Rangers!

And for Christ sake Kyle Farnsworthless blows itfor the Skankees.....

:pee on the Tiggers!

GO SOX! On the way home and ready to roll!

thomas35forever
06-01-2006, 10:42 PM
Who wants my tickets...I have ZERO desire to see us lose to the rangers this weekend...
Wow...did you forget about "Don't Stop Believin'" over the past week??? It starts with complaining about tonight's loss and it comes to this.

batmanZoSo
06-01-2006, 10:42 PM
no, what it will soon be is a plane ticket to another team.

LMAO...:rolleyes:

Jerko
06-01-2006, 10:43 PM
I used to say "gee, it sucks when you get called a dark cloud just because you get upset when your team loses", but now I know where people are coming from. Someone doesn't want use their tickets this weekend? I'm pissed that I can't use my Saturday ticket! Someone else won't watch again till they win? What gives? Some of us act like the Sox have won the WS 15 years running. Let's not be bandwagon jumpers.

Bobbo35
06-01-2006, 10:43 PM
If Ozzie starts going on tirades every three or four days, don't you think the meaning would be lost? It's like having a team meeting every other day...it becomes a joke.
No, there is a difference between a meeting and a threat though. Don't think for a second that something won't be done about this crap they are playing. They are too good of a team.

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 10:43 PM
How was Contreras tonight? I didn't get a chance to watch, but Buster Olney had something the other day about there being talk in baseball circles that Contreras' velocity was down?

The bullpen is bad, but we already knew that. What really concerns me is that Fingernails on a blackboard really has not adjusted to pitching out of the pen. And with Politte's crapiness, we really have no effective right-handed setup man right now.Not very efficient. Walked 4 through 5 innings of work, I think every one of them scored.

cbotnyse
06-01-2006, 10:43 PM
Oh God......:gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: .....need a lot of these!

Well....Sweet home Chicago! Bring on the Lone Rangers!

And for Christ sake Kyle Farnsworthless blows itfor the Skankees.....

:pee on the Tiggers!

GO SOX! On the way home and ready to roll!

nothing good can come from that post

Viva Medias B's
06-01-2006, 10:43 PM
And for Christ sake Kyle Farnsworthless blows itfor the Skankees.....

:pee on the Tiggers!

:wanne
Uh, oh.

santo=dorf
06-01-2006, 10:43 PM
Post of the week.
I'm surprised you didn't jump on Wilkes' quote about "losting" streaks. :D:

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 10:44 PM
Oh God......:gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: .....need a lot of these!

Well....Sweet home Chicago! Bring on the Lone Rangers!

And for Christ sake Kyle Farnsworthless blows itfor the Skankees.....

:pee on the Tiggers!

GO SOX! On the way home and ready to roll!Can't people read?

JB98
06-01-2006, 10:45 PM
How was Contreras tonight? I didn't get a chance to watch, but Buster Olney had something the other day about there being talk in baseball circles that Contreras' velocity was down?

The bullpen is bad, but we already knew that. What really concerns me is that Fingernails on a blackboard really has not adjusted to pitching out of the pen. And with Politte's crapiness, we really have no effective right-handed setup man right now.

Contreras was very, very wild. He was bouncing his fork ball constantly. I didn't notice any problems with his velocity.

The Sox have two holes: CF and right-handed setup man. Boy, that second hole is getting exposed big time right now.

cbotnyse
06-01-2006, 10:45 PM
Jose didnt have his best tonight...when he is on, we are unbeatable....come home soon, cant wait to get to the games this weekend.

FarWestChicago
06-01-2006, 10:45 PM
Oh God......:gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: .....need a lot of these!

Well....Sweet home Chicago! Bring on the Lone Rangers!

And for Christ sake Kyle Farnsworthless blows itfor the Skankees.....

:pee on the Tiggers!

GO SOX! On the way home and ready to roll!See you in a week.

Brian26
06-01-2006, 10:46 PM
No, there is a difference between a meeting and a threat though. Don't think for a second that something won't be done about this crap they are playing. They are too good of a team.

What the hell is he going to do? Take away Brandon McCarthy's X-Box and myspace account?

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 10:46 PM
Contreras was very, very wild. He was bouncing his fork ball constantly. I didn't notice any problems with his velocity.

The Sox have two holes: CF and right-handed setup man. Boy, that second hole is getting exposed big time right now.I don't know, IMO, Anderson's D in center have saved more runs/games than we think.

cbotnyse
06-01-2006, 10:46 PM
Contreras was very, very wild. He was bouncing his fork ball constantly. I didn't notice any problems with his velocity.

The Sox have two holes: CF and right-handed setup man. Boy, that second hole is getting exposed big time right now.

yeah his offspeed stuff was missing badly, either in the dirt or right over the plate

Lip Man 1
06-01-2006, 10:47 PM
Patrick 134:

I guess it depends on when you want to start counting.

For example, since May 10th the Sox are now 10-11.

And Contreras doesn't look like the same pitcher since his rhythm was broken by missing two starts. Maybe it's a mental thing, I don't know. I remember reading where he did ask not to be put on the DL only he didn't do it forcefully enough according to Ozzie and Kenny.

Lip

thomas35forever
06-01-2006, 10:47 PM
Yeah, what was up with Contreras tonight? It looked like him from the first half of 2005. He's lucky his unbeaten streak is still alive.

kittle42
06-01-2006, 10:48 PM
I'm surprised you didn't jump on Wilkes' quote about "losting" streaks. :D:

I thought it was pretty obviously a typo.

Bobbo35
06-01-2006, 10:48 PM
What the hell is he going to do? Take away Brandon McCarthy's X-Box and myspace account?

No, i'm talking about finding someone else.

nsdjoe
06-01-2006, 10:49 PM
Oh well, we had a 3 game losing streak around this point last season and managed to win... something... in October.

It's quite a bit early to be dark-clouding.

CubsfansareDRUNK
06-01-2006, 10:49 PM
No, re-read your post. You said 'he's useless if he crumbles under pressure.' My point: well yes, that's obvious...anybody who buckles under pressure will become useless.

I'm saying if he consistently crumbles under pressure. Not just one bad outing.

FarWestChicago
06-01-2006, 10:49 PM
And Contreras doesn't look like the same pitcher since his rhythm was broken by missing two starts.Yeah, he got totally shelled in his last start.

0o0o0
06-01-2006, 10:49 PM
Dark Clouds are in the forecast
Great post. :rolleyes:

I don't know what's worse, the sox losing again or people criticizing anyone that doesn't say the same tired optimistic response that begins with "It's early..."

JB98
06-01-2006, 10:49 PM
I don't know, IMO, Anderson's D in center have saved more runs/games than we think.

I don't think so. We didn't score any runs last night, so Anderson's D wouldn't have saved that game. Frankly, I don't think BA's glove would have made a lick of difference tonight either.

Looking at the two Toronto losses, BA played the first game, and we got beat 8-2. The second game, we lost because of poor offensive execution. Although, Mackowiak did misjudge a fly in that game, which led to a Blue Jays run. However, the offense had ample opportunity to overcome that in that particular game.

Brian26
06-01-2006, 10:50 PM
No, i'm talking about finding someone else.

Since there is a plethora of super talented, quality middle relievers to be had for next to nothing and none of the other 29 MLB teams want them?

Viva Medias B's
06-01-2006, 10:50 PM
Look, we're going to go through slumps like we have this week. While I am not happy with how are bullpen has performed, I am not at all worried about KW not doing anything about it. He will upgrade the bullpen; it wouldn't be in his nature not to.

MushMouth
06-01-2006, 10:50 PM
I don't know, IMO, Anderson's D in center have saved more runs/games than we think.

Agreed - A couple days without Anderson in center and I definitely think he's worth the 3 strikeouts and fly out a game. Good defense in center is just too important. Mack will have to pinch hit. Anderson has to be ready for a hot stretch (right??).

I have a feeling Uribe is about to start picking things up too...

Bullpen, Bullpen, Bullpen... Never thought I'd long for Luis Vizcaino.

MUsoxfan
06-01-2006, 10:51 PM
Bullpen, Bullpen, Bullpen... Never thought I'd long for Luis Vizcaino.

Let's not say anything we can't take back:cool:

whitesoxwilkes
06-01-2006, 10:51 PM
I'm surprised you didn't jump on Wilkes' quote about "losting" streaks. :D:


Fixed it. Ha ha!

Soxfanspcu11
06-01-2006, 10:51 PM
Who wants my tickets...I have ZERO desire to see us lose to the rangers this weekend...

***?!?!?!:?:

Here is the dark cloud bull**** that I was talking about it the game thread.

Yeah, you SHOULD give up your tickets. Give them to someone who actually understands baseball.

The Sox WILL NOT lose to Texas this weekend, I predict a sweep. What is with this dark cloud ****?!?!?! Seriously, what is with you people?!?!

The Sox lose a series and you freak out like this??? I don't think the Sox need your negative **** at all anyway. Give away your tickets, PLEASE!

I'm sure that there are plenty of REAL Sox fans who could put your tickets to good use as they watch the Sox beat the **** out of Texas.

Watch, observe and learn. You will see come monday why I am calling you a

:dumbass:

JB98
06-01-2006, 10:53 PM
Agreed - A couple days without Anderson in center and I definitely think he's worth the 3 strikeouts and fly out a game. Good defense in center is just too important. Mack will have to pinch hit. Anderson has to be ready for a hot stretch (right??).

I have a feeling Uribe is about to start picking things up too...

Bullpen, Bullpen, Bullpen... Never thought I'd long for Luis Vizcaino.

BA isn't going to catch any of the balls Cleveland hit over the fence.

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 10:53 PM
I don't think so. We didn't score any runs last night, so Anderson's D wouldn't have saved that game. Frankly, I don't think BA's glove would have made a lick of difference tonight either.

Looking at the two Toronto losses, BA played the first game, and we got beat 8-2. The second game, we lost because of poor offensive execution. Although, Mackowiak did misjudge a fly in that game, which led to a Blue Jays run. However, the offense had ample opportunity to overcome that in that particular game.I'm not saying that he can save every game with his D, I'm just saying that he probably does have a handful at the least. It's obvious that he can get to more balls in center that Mack cannot, which usually leads to a big inning.

Bobbo35
06-01-2006, 10:53 PM
Since there is a plethora of super talented, quality middle relievers to be had for next to nothing and none of the other 29 MLB teams want them?

Well then it comes down to which team has the stones to make the moves to improve the ballclub. I have strong faith that Kenny is not going to sit there and say everything is alright and nothing needs to be done.

BeviBall!
06-01-2006, 10:53 PM
This was a very humbling road trip. This homestand comes at a perfect time. The Sox play the good teams at home very well, so excuse me if I'm not sweating over the Rangers/Tigers/Tribe.

The bullpen though is a major concern. It's too late in the season to be having so many meltdowns. KW is usually the first GM to deal... and it usually happens in June. I would not be surprised to see McCarthy be the odd man out. There seems to be no room for him on this team as a starter in the near future and his performance in the pen is -- well, we know what it is.

MushMouth
06-01-2006, 10:54 PM
Let's not say anything we can't take back:cool:


haha - well, he and thornton would be our go-to guys this year!

nsolo
06-01-2006, 10:54 PM
Tonight's game was frustrating, I agree. I'm trying to remain positive. Although the majority of us are about ready to kick our pets out the front window, I found the following on "The Onion" website, a satirical e-newspaper.

The headline story gave me a laugh, despite the outcome of the game. Thought I'd share. At least we're not Royals fans.

http://www.theonion.com/content/index

nsolo

goon
06-01-2006, 10:54 PM
to be honest, even after jermaine hit that homerun and we didn't end up getting anymore runs in that inning, i turned to my roommate and said, "i still think the sox are going to lose this game," it was just one of those kind of nights.

HOWEVER, the good news is that the worst month in the year, MAY, is now over and i think tonight was just a carry over for a mediocre-to-painful month for the white sox and fans. i have a hunch that getting into June will be just what this team needs... if i'm wrong, we might be in trouble. this team needs to find some motivation and hunger to win, hopefully after tonight's loss and detroit's victory they can find that hunger.

kittle42
06-01-2006, 10:55 PM
I don't know what's worse, the sox losing again or people criticizing anyone that doesn't say the same tired optimistic response that begins with "It's early..."


Well, the bullpen generally sucks (which many feared since the start of the season).
One CF can't hit; the other can't field.
Garland is iffy.
Many players still can't bunt.

That's pretty much every problem this team has. It seems that 2+ of these are exposed in every loss. It is early, of course (which is why scoreboard watching is a bit silly), but it's never too early to address issues which need resolution.

That being said, a three-game losing streak is hardly anything to gloom and doom about.

JB98
06-01-2006, 10:55 PM
I'm not saying that he can save every game with his D, I'm just saying that he probably does have a handful at the least. It's obvious that he can get to more balls in center that Mack cannot, which usually leads to a big inning.

Personally, I think BA needs a couple weeks in Charlotte, but that's another thread. I honestly don't see how Mack's defense was a factor in a negative way tonight.

MushMouth
06-01-2006, 10:56 PM
BA isn't going to catch any of the balls Cleveland hit over the fence.

No, but Mack looked pretty bad once today going back on a ball (debatable, but BA could have gotten to that one) and missed one last night as well. Unless we move Pods to center, I'd rather see BA out there.

lakeviewsoxfan
06-01-2006, 10:56 PM
Plain and simple JC Should have came out after the 5th. He clearly was not sharp, in my opinion this game was lost in the 6th not the 8th.

cbotnyse
06-01-2006, 10:56 PM
to be honest, even after jermaine hit that homerun and we didn't end up getting anymore runs in that inning, i turned to my roommate and said, "i still think the sox are going to lose this game," it was just one of those kind of nights.

HOWEVER, the good news is that the worst month in the year, MAY, is now over and i think tonight was just a carry over for a mediocre-to-painful month for the white sox and fans. i have a hunch that getting into June will be just what this team needs... if i'm wrong, we might be in trouble. this team needs to find some motivation and hunger to win, hopefully after tonight's loss and detroit's victory they can find that hunger.

May was yesterday, today is June 1st...we must be in big trouble! :D:

CLR01
06-01-2006, 10:56 PM
Great post. :rolleyes:

I don't know what's worse, the sox losing again or people criticizing anyone that doesn't say the same tired optimistic response that begins with "It's early..."



I vote for people complaining and the people criticizing.

goon
06-01-2006, 10:57 PM
May was yesterday, today is June 1st...we must be in big trouble! :D:

haha, that's what i meant by the carry over!:smile:

Grzegorz
06-01-2006, 10:57 PM
Now is the time for a leader on the team (Crede/Thome/Konerko) to step up and get the team together to discuss their play as of late.

Lip Man 1
06-01-2006, 10:57 PM
Bevi:

If Brandon goes anyplace it'll be to Charlotte. Kenny is not going to deal him. And with Garland and Contreras having 'no trade' clauses for this season, that means his only options if he wants to unload a starter for bullpen help would be Buehrle, Garcia or Vasquez.

I just can't see him dealing a starter, he'll have to figure out a way with something else.

Lip

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 10:58 PM
Personally, I think BA needs a couple weeks in Charlotte, but that's another thread. I honestly don't see how Mack's defense was a factor in a negative way tonight.It wasn't, but then again it doesn't matter when your relievers are serving up meatballs. It's that misread balls that are just out of his reach or go over his head, that we all know BA can make...this is when I long for his D in center.

BeviBall!
06-01-2006, 10:58 PM
Plain and simple JC Should have came out after the 5th. He clearly was not sharp, in my opinion this game was lost in the 6th not the 8th.
The game was lost when Thornton walked the first guy on 4 chest-high Manute Bol fastballs.

DickAllen72
06-01-2006, 10:59 PM
We are the best team in baseball.

Seriously, KW needs to get a stud reliever or two. McCarthy should be starting games in AAA and on standby in case one of our five go down.

Law11
06-01-2006, 10:59 PM
All I know is once i get to the game tomorrow night with a brat in one hand
and a churro in my other and a beer cup hanging from my mouth as I make my way to my seats this game will be long forgotten.

Why cant I get my onions on my grill to taste like the ones at the game..
I guess a pound of butter isnt enough.

I predict Sox will win tomorrow night 7-4 on a 3 run walk-off by Tadahito.

Jjav829
06-01-2006, 11:00 PM
We are the best team in baseball.


Why the teal? What team would you rather have right now?

Chisox003
06-01-2006, 11:01 PM
This isn't fun. At all.

This club has no swagger, no rhythm, and the pitching staff is flat out reeling.

Wowsers.

Bobbo35
06-01-2006, 11:01 PM
We are the best team in baseball.

Seriously, KW needs to get a stud reliever or two. McCarthy should be starting games in AAA and on standby in case one of our five go down.

That's what i'm preaching. The Sox need a stud in the bullpen that you know is going to get outs and hold a lead. The bullpen is way to iffy, they need a for sure thing.

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 11:01 PM
Plain and simple JC Should have came out after the 5th. He clearly was not sharp, in my opinion this game was lost in the 6th not the 8th.Interesting, considering we had the lead after Dye's bomb. And it's not JC's fault that Thornton had a bad outing and served up some runs, however, it is his fault that we was walking hitters that inning.

Lip Man 1
06-01-2006, 11:01 PM
Bevi:

Reminds me of the game I saw in person on May 5th, first guy up in the 9th...walk.

Lip

JB98
06-01-2006, 11:02 PM
It wasn't, but then again it doesn't matter when your relievers are serving up meatballs. It's that misread balls that are just out of his reach or go over his head, that we all know BA can make...this is when I long for his D in center.

Mackowiak is not a good CF. On that point, you and I will agree. I just don't think BA would have changed the outcome of tonight's game.

MRKARNO
06-01-2006, 11:02 PM
One good reason to not read too much into this game: the strikezone was tiny.

No pitcher was getting many calls on the corners at all. Contreras especially had a lot of issues with the small strike zone. We don't give up 12 runs if the K-zone was normal. That was probably the smallest zone I've seen all year. We look like crap, but we're still in a fine position at this point in the year. No one said the road to 100 wins meant that you have to play perfect the whole year. It's a bad stretch and even the best teams have bad stretches. The team is 13 games over and they're playing like crap. That sounds not so bad to me, provided it does turn around in the not so distant future.

DickAllen72
06-01-2006, 11:03 PM
Now is the time for a leader on the team (Crede/Thome/Konerko) to step up and get the team together to discuss their play as of late.

Carl predicted they might lack that kind of leader this year, but that A.J. would probably be the guy.

BeviBall!
06-01-2006, 11:03 PM
This isn't fun. At all.

This club has no swagger, no rhythm, and the pitching staff is flat out reeling.

Wowsers.

All those that wished we slumped earlier than August/Sep last year are finding out that is isn't any easier in May/June.

Jjav829
06-01-2006, 11:04 PM
Carl predicted they might lack that kind of leader this year, but that A.J. would probably be the guy.

And there you have it. The sole reason we are losing right now: We lack the leadership that Carl Everett, Willie Harris and Frank Thomas provided last year.
:rolleyes:

lakeviewsoxfan
06-01-2006, 11:04 PM
Interesting, considering we had the lead after Dye's bomb. And it's not JC's fault that Thornton had a bad outing and served up some runs, however, it is his fault that we was walking hitters that inning.
He shouldnt have started the inning period. Ozzie has a tendancy the last 2 years to leave his starters in too long. JC was not hitting his spots all night and it cost him.

Lip Man 1
06-01-2006, 11:05 PM
Folks:

"Stud" relief pitchers don't grow on trees. You're not going to get one and the Sox don't need one.

Jenks is fine when he starts the 9th inning. What the Sox badly need are guys that can get him a lead by pitching a solid 7th and 8th inning.

You MAY be able to get those type of guys as the trade deadline comes closer....unfortunately that's still a long, long way away.

Lip

ShoelessJoeS
06-01-2006, 11:05 PM
Mackowiak is not a good CF. On that point, you and I will agree. I just don't think BA would have changed the outcome of tonight's game.Cetainly not. Out relievers were would have been too oposed to the idea. But I do think that BA needs to be in there, with Mack pinch-hitting if needed in the late innings.

kittle42
06-01-2006, 11:06 PM
He shouldnt have started the inning period. Ozzie has a tendancy the last 2 years to leave his starters in too long.

With that middle relief, wouldn't you?

Chicken Dinner
06-01-2006, 11:06 PM
It all started when Ozzie did that Chevy commercial. :o:

Bobbo35
06-01-2006, 11:06 PM
And there you have it. The sole reason we are losing right now: We lack the leadership that Carl Everett, Willie Harris and Frank Thomas provided last year.
:rolleyes:


You are exactly right!

DickAllen72
06-01-2006, 11:08 PM
We need a Kyle Farnsworth type and put Mac in Charlotte. Mac may not be cut out for the pen.

Fixed it for you.

Chisox003
06-01-2006, 11:10 PM
All those that wished we slumped earlier than August/Sep last year are finding out that is isn't any easier in May/June.
And they all count just the same.

We're giving games away. Losing is one thing, and that I can handle. But when we get sloppy defense, bad pitching and terrible situational/smart hitting, that's when games are GIVEN away.

There's at least 10 of those this season. 10. This was one of them.

I'm telling you, something is missing from these guys. I dunno what it is, but I don't get that same feeling I had last year (See: Dodgers, AJ Walkoff). Something gots to be done. I'm not a darkcloud by any means, but it's getting increasingly harder to ignore games like this and saying "we'll get em tomorrow."

Jerko
06-01-2006, 11:12 PM
Well, just in case no team hands us a stud RP, maybe a "shuffling of the deck" is in order for the bullpen just to get people into more "defined" roles. I know Oz likes to use the "who's hot" method sometimes, and he matches up WAY too much for my liking, but when he does that there's no continuity, which is something I think SOME of these pitchers need. Jenks can come in at any time, maybe even Cotts, but McCarthy, and now Politte, need specific roles IMO. Sometimes they come in for one batter, sometimes, 2 innings. Hard to get into a good groove that way. Plus, I think a lot of it is in their heads, which can be corrected with just one good outing. Hopefully.

Jjav829
06-01-2006, 11:13 PM
That's what i'm preaching. The Sox need a stud in the bullpen that you know is going to get outs and hold a lead. The bullpen is way to iffy, they need a for sure thing.
:walk
"I'll be available in a few weeks."

Soxfanspcu11
06-01-2006, 11:13 PM
A question for the Mods, is there anyway that you guys can get an "I told you so" or "Your a ****ing moron" thread ready for after the Texas series??

I know that it only takes a few seconds to start a thread but I was thinking that maybe you guys could get together something fancy. Something with a little flair, something a little different.

Maybe a thread that starts out with all the great insight and great quotes from the dark clouds.

Just one liners from the people getting down on this team. That could start off the thread, and then after that, you could put up the quotes from people who actually understand this team and didn't come to the ledge here on June 1st.

Just an idea, I dunno, it could be pretty cool! Maybe, just maybe, it will show the dark clouds out there just how ****ing stupid they are and prevent them from bringing in their amazing insight in the future.

I know that this idea is more of a pipedream, but ANYTHING that can rid this site of dark clouds is good for me!:cool:

thomas35forever
06-01-2006, 11:15 PM
It all started when Ozzie did that Chevy commercial. :o:
I'd like to state a different reason, but I'm afraid doing so will get me banned.

BeviBall!
06-01-2006, 11:21 PM
I'm telling you, something is missing from these guys. I dunno what it is, but I don't get that same feeling I had last year (See: Dodgers, AJ Walkoff). Something gots to be done. I'm not a darkcloud by any means, but it's getting increasingly harder to ignore games like this and saying "we'll get em tomorrow."

I'm with you all the way... something is definitely missing.

infohawk
06-01-2006, 11:22 PM
I'm telling you, something is missing from these guys. I dunno what it is, but I don't get that same feeling I had last year (See: Dodgers, AJ Walkoff). Something gots to be done. I'm not a darkcloud by any means, but it's getting increasingly harder to ignore games like this and saying "we'll get em tomorrow."
I think that the only thing missing is an upgraded bullpen. I can think of a few games we lost late because of the bullpen. If just three or four games were shifted into the win column, we'd all be feeling a whole lot better. The good news is that it is probably going to be easier to find bullpen help than say, trying to land an impact outfielder or starting pitcher (neither of which we need).

BeviBall!
06-01-2006, 11:22 PM
Well, just in case no team hands us a stud RP, maybe a "shuffling of the deck" is in order for the bullpen just to get people into more "defined" roles. I know Oz likes to use the "who's hot" method sometimes, and he matches up WAY too much for my liking, but when he does that there's no continuity, which is something I think SOME of these pitchers need. Jenks can come in at any time, maybe even Cotts, but McCarthy, and now Politte, need specific roles IMO. Sometimes they come in for one batter, sometimes, 2 innings. Hard to get into a good groove that way. Plus, I think a lot of it is in their heads, which can be corrected with just one good outing. Hopefully.

The only one who knows his roll in the pen is Jenks.

0o0o0
06-01-2006, 11:23 PM
A question for the Mods, is there anyway that you guys can get an "I told you so" or "Your a ****ing moron" thread ready for after the Texas series??

I know that it only takes a few seconds to start a thread but I was thinking that maybe you guys could get together something fancy. Something with a little flair, something a little different.

Maybe a thread that starts out with all the great insight and great quotes from the dark clouds.

Just one liners from the people getting down on this team. That could start off the thread, and then after that, you could put up the quotes from people who actually understand this team and didn't come to the ledge here on June 1st.

Just an idea, I dunno, it could be pretty cool! Maybe, just maybe, it will show the dark clouds out there just how ****ing stupid they are and prevent them from bringing in their amazing insight in the future.

I know that this idea is more of a pipedream, but ANYTHING that can rid this site of dark clouds is good for me!:cool:

Talk about amazing insight. :rolleyes:

Who are you even talking about besides whoever said they wanted to give their tickets away which, I agree, is stupid?

I don't see anyone "on the ledge." I see frustrated fans venting about a bad stretch of games.

infohawk
06-01-2006, 11:23 PM
:walk
"I'll be available in a few weeks."
In all seriousness, I'd be happy to have Bobby over Cliff right now. Hey, you never know!

chisoxfanatic
06-01-2006, 11:24 PM
Those wild pitches were HORRIBLE and at the absolute wrong times! We paid for each of them. Jose didn't have it today, and it seems he hasn't been up to his regular game since returning from the DL. Makowiak sure doesn't look very good out in CF. He's an average fielder out there AT BEST!

You've gotta love Jermaine Dye. He's becoming one of the elite hitters in the game.

voodoochile
06-01-2006, 11:24 PM
The only one who knows his roll in the pen is Jenks.

Um... since when did "get that (those) guy(s) out" need to be further defined? :?:

TomParrish79
06-01-2006, 11:24 PM
I just got home...did we play tonite or something??

chisoxfanatic
06-01-2006, 11:25 PM
I just got home...did we play tonite or something??

Our offense did (especially Dye), but our pitching didn't.

Lip Man 1
06-01-2006, 11:25 PM
Info:

It's now five games by the pen, two games by the starter after the 7th inning.

Lip

cbotnyse
06-01-2006, 11:28 PM
I just got home...did we play tonite or something??

Dye came to play tonight...our pitching took the night off

infohawk
06-01-2006, 11:29 PM
Those wild pitches were HORRIBLE and at the absolute wrong times! We paid for each of them. Jose didn't have it today, and it seems he hasn't been up to his regular game since returning from the DL.
It's kind of funny (in a perverse, masochistic way) that on a night when the Sox score 8 runs, none of our pitchers seemed to have it. I mean, what are the odds that Contreras has his first real stinker in a long, long time, then we come back but can't hold a lead because Thornton has an iffy outing and then, once we regain the lead, McCarthy gets absolutely hammered. This game came down to which pitching staff would be the least horrible. Unfortunately, we lost that one tonight.

TomParrish79
06-01-2006, 11:29 PM
ehhhh it happens....not many nights are we gonna score 8 runs and lose.....we'll get them next time hopefully

Chisox1500
06-01-2006, 11:29 PM
We knew the pen sucked after the first week -- but many who spoke out were labeled dark clouds then. The pen and the starters need to get better or this team coming together that Hawk talks about so often will not happen.

The pitchers getting better is hardly a sure thing, especially in the pen. I hope Hermanson can come back for the stretch run and that McCarthy is starting in AAA soon.

CLR01
06-01-2006, 11:30 PM
A question for the Mods, is there anyway that you guys can get an "I told you so" or "Your a ****ing moron" thread ready for after the Texas series??

I know that it only takes a few seconds to start a thread but I was thinking that maybe you guys could get together something fancy. Something with a little flair, something a little different.

Maybe a thread that starts out with all the great insight and great quotes from the dark clouds.

Just one liners from the people getting down on this team. That could start off the thread, and then after that, you could put up the quotes from people who actually understand this team and didn't come to the ledge here on June 1st.

Just an idea, I dunno, it could be pretty cool! Maybe, just maybe, it will show the dark clouds out there just how ****ing stupid they are and prevent them from bringing in their amazing insight in the future.

I know that this idea is more of a pipedream, but ANYTHING that can rid this site of dark clouds is good for me!:cool:



We have something similar already. It's called a White Sox World Series championship. We were awarded it last year after fending off the ledge jumpers last August and September. It is really quite nice and it speaks volumes about freaking out about a rough stretch.

Lip Man 1
06-01-2006, 11:31 PM
Info:

Your comment started me thinking so I looked. This is the 5th time this year the Sox lost a game when scoring five or more runs. I'll have to check how that compares to last season.

Just looked...in 2005 surprisingly the Sox lost 19 games where they scored five runs or more. In 9 of those losses they had the lead in the 7th inning or later.

Since we've played about a quarter of the season it looks like the two numbers are on pace to be about the same.

Lip

CubsfansareDRUNK
06-01-2006, 11:32 PM
In regards to whoever referenced AJ's walkoff last year, it seems like when the Sox NEED a win this year, they can't get it and they just crap away games. (Especially when we're in 2nd place)

infohawk
06-01-2006, 11:32 PM
The pitchers getting better is hardly a sure thing, especially in the pen. I hope Hermanson can come back for the stretch run and that McCarthy is starting in AAA soon.
I have a strong suspicion that the bullpen will receive reinforcements from outside the organization. KW sees the same thing we are seeing out of the bullpen, and he will be an angry, angry man until the problem is fixed.

Satyricon
06-01-2006, 11:33 PM
IS PAULIE HURT?!!?

http://portal.campaigncc.org/files/images/CC-longgrass.jpg
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voodoochile
06-01-2006, 11:34 PM
We knew the pen sucked after the first week -- but many who spoke out were labeled dark clouds then. The pen and the starters need to get better or this team coming together that Hawk talks about so often will not happen.

The pitchers getting better is hardly a sure thing, especially in the pen. I hope Hermanson can come back for the stretch run and that McCarthy is starting in AAA soon.

Well anyone making sweeping negative generalizations about the team in early April probably deserves to be labeled a dark cloud. I mean so many things can change in the course of a season. Heck, trading season hasn't even begun and KW has proven fairly adept at making trades to help the team's chances in years past.

It's the first day of June (for another 20 minutes or so here in NC) and the Sox are 2.5 games out of first with 13 (14?) games remaining against the first place kittens (a team the Sox have absolutely killed these past 14 months.

So count me among the optimistic who while not jumping up and down in joy over our tonight's game am also not jumping off of any cliffs over the team's current "predicament" of having the second best record in baseball (or is it merely in the AL?)

One bad week does not a season make...

Chisox1500
06-01-2006, 11:35 PM
Brandon looks lost out of the pen. I think he'll be a fine starter once he gets a chance. Keeping him up isn't helping anyone -- except opposing hitters.

Soxfanspcu11
06-01-2006, 11:37 PM
Talk about amazing insight. :rolleyes:

Who are you even talking about besides whoever said they wanted to give their tickets away which, I agree, is stupid?

I don't see anyone "on the ledge." I see frustrated fans venting about a bad stretch of games.


What "amazing insight" did I even bring up?? The only thing I said is that dark clouds are morons.

I'm sorry, but I didn't write down every single "dark cloud" comment that I saw, but there were a few.

There is nothing at all wrong with people venting their frustration after a ****ty lose like today, but those who go down the slippery slope get under my nerves like no other.

My whole point was that I am trying to stop the dark clouds before they even form. There is no need for that, and I don't think that true Sox fans on this site should put up with it.

P.S. Why are you getting down on me??:?: Do you have some sort of dark cloud fetish that I just killed by simply stating that dark clouds are morons?

Chisox1500
06-01-2006, 11:37 PM
I'm not saying the Sox are finished. I just don't think the pen is championship caliber, and I didn't going into the season. Bad pens killed the Braves in the 90s and their starters might have been better then ours.

And having McCarthy up seems to be hurting his development.

CLR01
06-01-2006, 11:38 PM
It's the first day of June (for another 20 minutes or so here in NC) and the Sox are 2.5 games out of first with 13 (14?) games remaining against the first place kittens



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Chisox003
06-01-2006, 11:40 PM
P.S. Why are you getting down on me??:?: Do you have some sort of dark cloud fetish that I just killed by simply stating that dark clouds are morons? He's saying that immediatly labeling someone who questions the team's performance as a "dark cloud" is pretty stupid, and it is. Bitching and moaning after A loss is one thing, but being frustrated about our guys absolutely imploding again comes with the territory.

It's June 1, and anyone who says they have confidence in our pen right now needs to lay off the Koolaid. That said, it's still June 1. Something needs to be done, and I'm by no means doubting K-dub and Ozzie. They'll get it straight.

voodoochile
06-01-2006, 11:41 PM
I'm not saying the Sox are finished. I just don't think the pen is championship caliber, and I didn't going into the season. Bad pens killed the Braves in the 90s and their starters might have been better then ours.

And having McCarthy up seems to be hurting his development.

Didn't seem to damage either Buehrle or Garland's development. In fact in both cases it was the final boost to get them over the hump. That's been true of many young pitchers historically.

I am sure KW is already pursuing bullpen help anyway.

voodoochile
06-01-2006, 11:41 PM
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Cool... sometimes it does NOT suck to be wrong. Especially when the correction is good news...:D:

DrCrawdad
06-01-2006, 11:49 PM
Bad series, but no need to jump off the ledge at all. KW will address the bullpen.

Can we get a tag that says, THIS BULLPEN BLOWS? Like the one about, THIS THREAD BLOWS.

SouthSide_HitMen
06-01-2006, 11:58 PM
One good reason to not read too much into this game: the strikezone was tiny.

No pitcher was getting many calls on the corners at all. Contreras especially had a lot of issues with the small strike zone. We don't give up 12 runs if the K-zone was normal. That was probably the smallest zone I've seen all year. We look like crap, but we're still in a fine position at this point in the year. No one said the road to 100 wins meant that you have to play perfect the whole year. It's a bad stretch and even the best teams have bad stretches. The team is 13 games over and they're playing like crap. That sounds not so bad to me, provided it does turn around in the not so distant future.

Joe West's strikezone was ridiculous. It was the same for both pitchers but this became home run derby. I really hate when umps / refs take the game out of the players hands. Call a legitimate strike zone you fat ****.

New crew for the weekend and hopefully the White Sox will return to their winning ways.

I agree with the posters who say McCarthy is probably better suited to start but we are shorthanded as it is in the bullpen and do not need a starter barring injury until 2008. Jenks and Thornton have been very good and Cotts has turned it around. The club says Politte isn't hurt but I'm not so sure. If Nelson can give the team a 3.5 - 4.00 ERA the Sox will be happy.

I still don't get the scoreboard & wild card watching 2 months into the season. If those tickets are still available I'll take them!

Soxfanspcu11
06-01-2006, 11:59 PM
He's saying that immediatly labeling someone who questions the team's performance as a "dark cloud" is pretty stupid, and it is. Bitching and moaning after A loss is one thing, but being frustrated about our guys absolutely imploding again comes with the territory.

It's June 1, and anyone who says they have confidence in our pen right now needs to lay off the Koolaid. That said, it's still June 1. Something needs to be done, and I'm by no means doubting K-dub and Ozzie. They'll get it straight.


I completely understand that, and I do realize that there is a difference. However, I was just trying to emphasize the fact that the dark clouds that exist on this site are not only annoying, they are wrong!

I know that I have not been a member of this site for that long, but I do know that in the relatively short time I have been here, that I have seen numerous dark cloud threads and responses.

I saw it after the Sox 8 game losing streak last year. I saw it after the 1-0 heartbreaker in Minnesota, I saw it after Cleveland came here and took 2 out of 3 in that pivotal series September 19-21, 2005 and closed in on us. Hell, I even saw it after we lost game 1 of the ALCS.

My point is simply that if you lived and died with this team last year, as I did, and as soooooooo many others on here did, then you SHOULD know by now what this team is capable of.

Granted it is not the exact same team, but the core is the same, the pieces are the same. Of course there are holes, there were holes last year. But last time I checked, we went 11-1 in the postseason and won the World Series.

If you bring up the gamethread from game 3 of the World Series last year, you will see where I went off on a poster for saying that the game was "over" once Houston went up 4-0. The poster said something to the effect of, "Did anyone actually think we would sweep this team?" My response was, "Yes I did! And I STILL DO!" And of course we all know what happened.

I'm not trying to be an ******* here, I'm just saying that people need to relax. I know that tonight was frustrating, I'm pissed about the game as well! I just don't want to see people get themselves so hung up and panic when there is no need to do so!

I'm not trying to attack anyone, or start fights or anything like that. I just want people to remember what this team accomplished last year when 95% of EVERYONE counted them out.

You can't repeat the past, but you can certainly learn from it. And all that I am asking is that people remember 2005 before they get to upset. That's all.

SouthSide_HitMen
06-02-2006, 12:00 AM
He shouldnt have started the inning period. Ozzie has a tendancy the last 2 years to leave his starters in too long. JC was not hitting his spots all night and it cost him.

Yes - last year was a disaster. :rolleyes:

0o0o0
06-02-2006, 12:00 AM
What "amazing insight" did I even bring up?? The only thing I said is that dark clouds are morons.

I'm sorry, but I didn't write down every single "dark cloud" comment that I saw, but there were a few.

There is nothing at all wrong with people venting their frustration after a ****ty lose like today, but those who go down the slippery slope get under my nerves like no other.

My whole point was that I am trying to stop the dark clouds before they even form. There is no need for that, and I don't think that true Sox fans on this site should put up with it.

P.S. Why are you getting down on me??:?: Do you have some sort of dark cloud fetish that I just killed by simply stating that dark clouds are morons?
No, I don't have a dark cloud fetish. That doesn't even make sense.

This whole dark cloud agrument is stupid. I consider a dark cloud to be someone who considers the Sox doomed or in major trouble. While they're undoubtedly going through a rough stretch, I don't really see many people saying anything like that.

spiffie
06-02-2006, 12:01 AM
You know why last year was so wonderful? Because it has made me serene now. I have such supreme confidence after last season that I am not in the slightest bit perturbed by tonight. Sure I'm disappointed since the offense tried so hard to keep us in the game, but some nights the ball just doesn't bounce your way. That's why they play 162 of these. We'll win just around 100 of them before the season ends, so who cares about a little bad patch? We have Kenny and Ozzie manning the ship so you know whatever needs to be done to get everyone going smoothly will be done.

Regardless, this is still the best team in baseball, there is absolutely no one in the Central division who can hang with this team over the long haul, and I'm looking forward to seeing another round of playoff games at The Cell this season.

SouthSide_HitMen
06-02-2006, 12:09 AM
It's June 1, and anyone who says they have confidence in our pen right now needs to lay off the Koolaid. That said, it's still June 1. Something needs to be done, and I'm by no means doubting K-dub and Ozzie. They'll get it straight.

I don't agree. 4 of our 6 relievers have an ERA between 2.9 & 3.9 which is above average.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/chw/stats/bycategory?cat=Pitching

McCarthy and Politte are the only two performing below expectations. People need to step back from the game they watch to get a better perspective.

Chips
06-02-2006, 12:20 AM
I don't agree. 4 of our 6 relievers have an ERA between 2.9 & 3.9 which is above average.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/chw/stats/bycategory?cat=Pitching

McCarthy and Politte are the only two performing below expectations. People need to step back from the game they watch to get a better perspective.

3 of the 6.

McCarthy, Politte, and Thorton.

The bullpen is the biggest weakness of the team. I have confidence when anyone but Cliff comes in. Thorton had a bad game after pitching good ball for the last few weeks (plus we got him for basically nothing). McCarthy, I think, is not fully used to this bullpen role yet. Politte, well I've got nothing positive.

I would like a stud in the bullpen ASAP.

Fuller_Schettman
06-02-2006, 12:30 AM
You know why last year was so wonderful? Because it has made me serene now. I have such supreme confidence after last season that I am not in the slightest bit perturbed by tonight. Sure I'm disappointed since the offense tried so hard to keep us in the game, but some nights the ball just doesn't bounce your way. That's why they play 162 of these. We'll win just around 100 of them before the season ends, so who cares about a little bad patch? We have Kenny and Ozzie manning the ship so you know whatever needs to be done to get everyone going smoothly will be done.

Regardless, this is still the best team in baseball, there is absolutely no one in the Central division who can hang with this team over the long haul, and I'm looking forward to seeing another round of playoff games at The Cell this season.

You have wisdom beyond your years!

A.T. Money
06-02-2006, 12:37 AM
IMO, Jeff Nelson should have faced Belliard. Most people should know by now that Belliard can't hit a low and away breaking ball. And he also can't lay off of it.

McCarthy shouldn't have been in that situation.

Droso5
06-02-2006, 12:47 AM
"Holy horrible game Batman!! Can the pen get any worse?....What in H E double hockey sticks are we going to do??"

"Im not sure my small crimefighting friend!...A possible trade in the works!?...Who knows!!..Uh, Ummm, so Robin, how about you come sit on ole' Batmans lap and tell him about your wacky trade ideas...."

Again, another awful vomit inducing game. We should not lose when 8 runs are scored. Why was Gload in? Cintron tanked and Thorton had a bad outing(although he has progressed leaps and bounds) McCarthy is DOA out there, just looks lost. The HR he gave up was right down the plate, Cooper comes out and talks to him...and then he throws it to the same exact location surrendering a triple to Boone...ugh. You get your hopes up as Dye is white hot and than Boom!
But, I must say, we still have the strongest team in the AL, if our BP ever gets its act together than it's over. But until then, there will be rocky roads ahead, just like this one. It just stings because it was the Indians and this kinda sorta puts them back in the race....for now. Faith is needed here, it is early and K-Dubs will make something happen, if not, than the team itself will just have to pull it together themselves.

SouthSide_HitMen
06-02-2006, 01:04 AM
3 of the 6.

McCarthy, Politte, and Thorton.

Thornton was between 2.9 - 3.9 until tonight. I still like those four (Jenks, Cotts, Thornton and Nelson) and if Politte can turn it around (he can if he is healthy) we have McCarthy for long outings (2 or 3 innings of blow out work either way) and we are set. If KW can swing one more in July that would help our depth. Unfortunately it looks like Hermanson is done.

JB98
06-02-2006, 01:05 AM
Thornton was between 2.9 - 3.9 until tonight. I still like those four (Jenks, Cotts, Thornton and Nelson) and if Politte can turn it around (he can if he is healthy) we have McCarthy for long outings (2 or 3 innings of blow out work either way) and we are set. If KW can swing one more in July that would help our depth. Unfortunately it looks like Hermanson is done.

Is there any new information on Hermanson? I'm not expecting anything great from him, but I haven't heard that all hope has been extinguished either.

SouthSide_HitMen
06-02-2006, 01:12 AM
Is there any new information on Hermanson? I'm not expecting anything great from him, but I haven't heard that all hope has been extinguished either.

On May 20 the Tribune reported he had an OK bullpen session. He has not thrown on two consecutive days since the Spring when the White Sox found out he couldn't handle it. Ozzie said they are not doing anything with him until he can throw consecutive days pain free effectively. If we get him back in August or September it is a bonus (though I wouldn't expect it).

http://www.rototimes.com/index.php?sport=bsball&type=profile&name=1128

May 20The Chicago Tribune reports that Dustin Hermanson had an encouraging bullpen session on Thursday. "I'm trying to graduate to levels," Hermanson said. "I'd like to go from bullpens to batting practice to [extended spring] games to [the minors]." He's trying to return from serious back problems and said he was throwing at about 70 percent.

white sox bill
06-02-2006, 07:55 AM
Cotts,Thornton,Jenks trusty
BMac so so
Cliff, Nelson no trust

Maybe KW can package Clifford and top prospect for a proven middle inninger sometime soon.

INSox56
06-02-2006, 09:11 AM
***?!?!?!:?:

Here is the dark cloud bull**** that I was talking about it the game thread.

Yeah, you SHOULD give up your tickets. Give them to someone who actually understands baseball.

The Sox WILL NOT lose to Texas this weekend, I predict a sweep. What is with this dark cloud ****?!?!?! Seriously, what is with you people?!?!

The Sox lose a series and you freak out like this??? I don't think the Sox need your negative **** at all anyway. Give away your tickets, PLEASE!

I'm sure that there are plenty of REAL Sox fans who could put your tickets to good use as they watch the Sox beat the **** out of Texas.

Watch, observe and learn. You will see come monday why I am calling you a

:dumbass:
You guys need to seriously cool the **** out, I was joking for christ sake. And Nice prediction Rasheed.

kwolf68
06-02-2006, 10:21 AM
I don't understand how our bullpen is so rancid. To be honest, I don't trust any of them except for Jenks, and on occasion Thorton and Cotts.

I do think we need to seriously look at bringing up some people from Charlotte if this debacle keeps going, however, I'm not interested in trading Josh Fields or Ryan Sweeney for some middle relief guy who isn't any better than what we have anyway.

Baby Fisk
06-02-2006, 10:32 AM
Who wants my tickets...I have ZERO desire to see us lose to the rangers this weekend...
I hope this was just venting. If not, well get the hell off our wagon, surrender monkey. Yeah you suck.

INSox56
06-02-2006, 10:47 AM
You guys need to seriously cool the **** out, I was joking for christ sake. And Nice prediction Rasheed.

LOL do you guys even read the threads? I just said this two posts ago...

voodoochile
06-02-2006, 11:00 AM
LOL do you guys even read the threads? I just said this two posts ago...

That's why god invented the color teal.

If you want to avoid confusion and possible fights, learn it, live it, love it, use it...

MsSoxVixen22
06-02-2006, 11:13 AM
The Sox need to get their groove back....and FAST. I thought when JD hit that 3 run homer we were good. McCarthy needs to go back to AAA and pitch there for awhile. He looked pretty crappy last nite. I'd rather have the Sox go thru a funk now than later. Let's go for the sweep against the Rangers boys! And Garland...please for the love of GOD be on tonite!

MarySwiss
06-02-2006, 11:20 AM
Didn't read the whole thread yet, because I took to my bed right after watching the Sox and Suns lose. (Bad sports night for me.)

However, when I woke up this morning, I realized that although we just lost 3 of 4, so did the Kitties. Which of course means that we are right back where we were on Monday. Not a bad place to be when you've just lost 3 of 4.

Let's get back on track tonight, boys!

miker
06-02-2006, 11:22 AM
Didn't read the whole thread yet, because I took to my bed right after watching the Sox lose, Tigers win, and Suns lose. (Bad sports night for me.)

However, when I woke up this morning, I realized that although we just lost 3 of 4, so did the Kitties. Which of course means that we are right back where we were on Monday. Not a bad place to be when you've just lost 3 of 4.

Let's get back on track tonight, boys!
:hawk
"I luv optimism!"

kwolf68
06-02-2006, 11:28 AM
Our problems are very fixible...we'll be fine.

Our team is HEALTHY, it is the defending World Champions, and there will be bumps and lulls. Cleveland was playing for their post-season life this week. Had we taken 3 of 4 or swept, then Cleveland would be in very bad shape for the 2nd half.

The bullpen needs to turn it around and I trust they will in the 2nd half. I'd love to be in the division lead come the ASB, but if we are within 3 or 4 games, the 2nd half will be GAME ON for our guys and I think are pen will have sorted out.

Besides Cliff and Cotts, McCarthy has worried me of late...He pitched very well early in the season out the pen, but seems to have done poorly of late. I'm almost ready to let him go back to AAA and reassirt himself as a starting pitcher...he's going to be a terrific SP for us one day.

cbotnyse
06-02-2006, 11:30 AM
Didn't read the whole thread yet, because I took to my bed right after watching the Sox lose, Tigers win, and Suns lose. (Bad sports night for me.)

However, when I woke up this morning, I realized that although we just lost 3 of 4, so did the Kitties. Which of course means that we are right back where we were on Monday. Not a bad place to be when you've just lost 3 of 4.

Let's get back on track tonight, boys!

you should have a quick read through...the dark clouds were rolling in, and a few people even got whacked.

MarySwiss
06-02-2006, 11:37 AM
you should have a quick read through...the dark clouds were rolling in, and a few people even got whacked.
Neither of which surprises me much. I'll read through the whole thing after breakfast.

Edit: Just finished reading. Wow!

jandm859
06-02-2006, 12:59 PM
Since game 1 of the a's series, the sox are 5-5. Thats hardly a jump off a building 10 game stretch.


the problem isnt that we've lost some games, the problem is that our tean has some real issues that need to be adressed, if we hope to have a chance at repeating

miker
06-02-2006, 03:32 PM
the problem isnt that we've lost some games, the problem is that our tean has some real issues that need to be adressed, if we hope to have a chance at repeating
Correct. It's how we're losing games that should have everyone a little steamed under the collar.

Frater Perdurabo
06-02-2006, 03:49 PM
Correct. It's how we're losing games that should have everyone a little steamed under the collar.

I don't like losing any more than the next person. My wife thinks I'm overly obsessed with the Sox (and she thinks I'm possessed by the devil when they lose). I too think they have problems that need to be addressed. However, I'm not pissing my pants (or my posts) and I'm not dark clouding (sorry for making it a gerund form of a verb, kittle42), either.

I'm confident that the Sox have it within their abilities to fix what ails them internally (more practice of fundamentals, more attention to detail, more mental preparation and concentration), and that KW will address what cannot be fixed internally (probably the bullpen) via minor league callup or via a trade.

MadetoOrta
06-02-2006, 03:53 PM
FP,

My wife thinks I have major White Sox issues too. Her problem is how NICE I get when the Sox win. She knew what she was getting into. I'm not changing. Get to work KW! I like being nice!

MTO