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Minnie Me
06-01-2006, 01:18 PM
As reported in todays Trib, if the new platoon of Anderson and Mack falters "expect to see Pablo Ozuna to recieve some playing time in center field.'

WizardsofOzzie
06-01-2006, 01:19 PM
As reported in todays Trib, if the new platoon of Anderson and Mack falters "expect to see Pablo Ozuna to recieve some playing time in center field.'

I think i just **** my pants in fear

DaleJRFan
06-01-2006, 01:22 PM
As reported in todays Trib

Consider your source...

Ol' No. 2
06-01-2006, 01:22 PM
As reported in todays Trib, if the new platoon of Anderson and Mack falters "expect to see Pablo Ozuna to recieve some playing time in center field.'The key words here are "As reported in todays Trib".:rolleyes:

itsnotrequired
06-01-2006, 01:22 PM
Keep reaching for the stars, Minnie Me!

viagracat
06-01-2006, 01:24 PM
If the platoon fails they'll make a deal, but Mack batted something like .344 in May. I know that's mostly against righties.

Let's just hope BA can get it up, as it were.

CHISOXFAN13
06-01-2006, 01:24 PM
I love Pablo, but there is no way a utility man is going to play centerfield for this team, particulary one who struggles in left.

ilsox7
06-01-2006, 01:25 PM
And expect me to die a slow, painful death if that happens.

white sox bill
06-01-2006, 01:28 PM
No way is Pabs in CF. Did you see how bad he looked in KC early on?

Minnie Me
06-01-2006, 01:42 PM
No way is Pabs in CF. Did you see how bad he looked in KC early on?

The mysterious "they" say that its easier playing CF than LF or RF. Maybe thats why Willie is playing some CF for the Bostox.

1951Campbell
06-01-2006, 01:49 PM
I think i just **** my pants in fear

I'll second that.

:o:

SouthSide_HitMen
06-01-2006, 01:57 PM
The closest Ozuna should get to CF is playing SS-CF on a 16 inch softball team.

The Dude
06-01-2006, 02:13 PM
As reported in todays Trib, if the new platoon of Anderson and Mack falters "expect to see Pablo Ozuna to recieve some playing time in center field.'

I'll believe that when i see it and if I do, I will probably switch to radio (gasp- singleton!) in order to shield my eyes from watching pablo roam CF.

HotelWhiteSox
06-01-2006, 02:14 PM
That's one of the worst ideas I've ever heard

soxfanaticpaulie
06-01-2006, 02:18 PM
I heard them mention this on 670AM on the way to work this morning. I nearly swerved off of the road.

I don't buy it for a second. No way is Ozzie dumb enough to put Ozuna out there. The guy looks HORRIBLE in LF, why would you put him in CF? I really want BA to get his average up, I don't even like seeing Mac out there, a lot of balls fall that shouldn't when he's roaming CF.

salty99
06-01-2006, 02:23 PM
they better bring up Sweeney or Owens and give one of them a shot and put BA back in AAA if they are going to give up on him altogether.

D. TODD
06-01-2006, 02:25 PM
I heard them mention this on 670AM on the way to work this morning. I nearly swerved off of the road.

I don't buy it for a second. No way is Ozzie dumb enough to put Ozuna out there. The guy looks HORRIBLE in LF, why would you put him in CF? I really want BA to get his average up, I don't even like seeing Mac out there, a lot of balls fall that shouldn't when he's roaming CF.I agree. If BA is sent down the Sox need to get a solid defensive guy to replace him. Mac struggles mightily in center defensively.

Chez
06-01-2006, 02:33 PM
I agree. If BA is sent down the Sox need to get a solid defensive guy to replace him. Mac struggles mightily in center defensively.

Exactly. Mac is a better corner outfielder than centerfielder. He's below average in center. It's kind of funny that until the Cintron trade we all expected to see Mac primarily as a a back-up infielder this season. I don't think he's played an inning in the infield yet this year.

jongarlandlover
06-01-2006, 03:08 PM
I'll believe that when i see it and if I do, I will probably switch to radio (gasp- singleton!) in order to shield my eyes from watching pablo roam CF.

I think I'd have to do that, too. As painful as it is listening to the radio, it'll be less painful than watching Pablo in center. He's awful enough in left...::shudders::

Walkman
06-01-2006, 03:22 PM
Remember, Ozzie caught one whiff of Pods in CF the day he first arrived with us in sping training, and Pods hasn't sniffed CF since. Can't imagine he'd feel any better about Ozuna either.

Baby Fisk
06-01-2006, 03:27 PM
Why don't we just trade Jon Garland to the pitching-starved Jays in exchange for Vernon Wells?

I look forward to your calm, measured responses.

jongarlandlover
06-01-2006, 03:27 PM
Why don't we just trade Jon Garland to the pitching-starved Jays in exchange for Vernon Wells?

I look forward to your calm, measured responses.

:o:

ilsox7
06-01-2006, 03:28 PM
Why don't we just trade Jon Garland to the pitching-starved Jays in exchange for Vernon Wells?

I look forward to your calm, measured responses.

FYI, JG has a NTC.

Baby Fisk
06-01-2006, 03:29 PM
FYI, JG has a NTC.
I was not aware of this. I withdraw the proposal.

*baby fisk runs away from mob of angry Garland fans*

ilsox7
06-01-2006, 03:31 PM
I was not aware of this. I withdraw the proposal.

*baby fisk runs away from mob of angry Garland fans*

LOL. JG and Jose both got them for the 1st year of their extensions I do believe.

jenn2080
06-01-2006, 03:37 PM
Oh boy that makes me cringe. I see alot of fly balls misplayed. etc. I love Pablo though, one my favs, but him and center field should not meet.

SouthSide_HitMen
06-01-2006, 03:40 PM
I was not aware of this. I withdraw the proposal.

*baby fisk runs away from mob of angry Garland fans*

I don't think you would see an angry mob considering the player we would theoretically get in return.

I don't know if either team would pull the trigger but both players would tempt the other GM. I think Kenny would pull the trigger but I don't think Toronto would - they do not have an adequate replacement and Garland would be another costly addition to their pitching staff.

Lip Man 1
06-01-2006, 03:42 PM
That would not be a good idea. Jim Landis at 75 would be better then Ozuna in center field.

Lip

SOXPHILE
06-01-2006, 03:42 PM
http://670thescore.com/graphics/pic_sm_dan_berstein.jpg (http://670thescore.com/onair/dan_bernstein.shtml)
"NO team with Juan Uribe as their starting shortstop will EVER win a World Series....errr....ummm....I mean..NO team with PABLO OZUNA starting ANYWHERE in the outfield is going to win the World Series."

BNLSox
06-01-2006, 03:50 PM
Lets trade the farm for Figgins and Shields. Come on, who's with me?

TDog
06-01-2006, 03:51 PM
I heard them mention this on 670AM on the way to work this morning. I nearly swerved off of the road.

I don't buy it for a second. No way is Ozzie dumb enough to put Ozuna out there. The guy looks HORRIBLE in LF, why would you put him in CF? I really want BA to get his average up, I don't even like seeing Mac out there, a lot of balls fall that shouldn't when he's roaming CF.

It's not like anyone ever hits pitches to center field.

Batting averages and ERAs are irrelevant measures of a player's performance. If Anderson were hitting .200 (still, that would require a hot streak), while moving runners, driving them in from second and third, getting two-out hits and walking to keep rallies going, it wouldn't be a problem. The issue isn't what sort of average he'll end up with by the end of the season, but how he will help the team from this point on.

Defense is important, but right now Anderson is a black hole in the lineup on most days he plays. Uribe hasn't been helping matters.

sullythered
06-01-2006, 03:56 PM
Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. Though Pablo has been fantastic offensively, he hasn't shown anywhere NEAR the capability Rob Mackowiak has of keeping it sustained throughout a season. Plus, he would be a major downgrade defensively even from Mack. On top of that, we would lose our most reliable clutch bench guy. This will never happen.

Bobbo35
06-01-2006, 04:00 PM
scary is all I have to say.

DickAllen72
06-01-2006, 06:20 PM
Lets trade the farm for Figgins and Shields. Come on, who's with me?

Me.

santo=dorf
06-01-2006, 06:49 PM
Lets trade the farm for Figgins and Shields. Come on, who's with me?
I don't think the Angels like us very much.

BV2005
06-02-2006, 03:04 AM
can somebody please put aaron rowand back in a sox uniform. I am convinced trading him in the first place messed with the chemistry of the team.

MikeKreevich
06-02-2006, 09:56 AM
Mackowiak is a below average centerfielder. If you watched last night's game (final of the Cleveland series), you saw Rob make about four late adjustments on every high flyball hit to him. Although he did catch one ball on the warning track, he usually has trouble on balls hit directly over his head. I don't think Osuna is much of a downgrade. He will be able to use his superior ( to Mackowiak) foot speed in center. Neither is the answer, lets hope Anderson can start hitting a little better.

Law11
06-02-2006, 10:17 AM
I like I'm sure a few here played CF though HS/College It is not an easy position to play. If this is true we are in deep...

Getting reads off the bat are one of the keys to a great CF. Soemthing BA is very good at doing as well as playing the "lean" reading a pitcher and knowing the tendency of a hitter to pull the ball or take it the other way.

People think you need a blazer in the CF but as Rowand showed last year it's technique much like a baserunner that gets you success in CF.
ANd how ready would pablo be to be the captain of the OF... You have to know what you are doing...

This is stuff you can teach but instinct playes such a huge part of it..

But it is the trib writing this so he's as likely to be the next catcher.

Baby Fisk
06-02-2006, 10:21 AM
Macko appeared really shaky out in the field last night. It looked like a lot of panicky last-second scampering going on, not much confidence. If only we could fuse his batting average with Anderson's fielding, then we'd be in clover.

Vernam
06-02-2006, 10:43 AM
People think you need a blazer in the CF but as Rowand showed last year it's technique much like a baserunner that gets you success in CF. ANd how ready would pablo be to be the captain of the OF... You have to know what you are doing...What sort of baffles me is that, last year, we were all about sacrificing plate production if it meant having a great glove man on the field. Crede and Uribe were the prime examples, but Rowand didn't hit so well, either.

Then this year, we have tons more offensive production but seem to be putting a lot of pressure on Anderson and Uribe to produce with the bat. Sure, we can't carry guys who'd bat .200 for the whole season, but neither of them is the reason we're losing games. (Unless you want to say Anderson's absence in the field is hurting us, which is definitely the case.)

I still can't believe Ozzie would seriously consider putting Ozuna in CF when he's looked so shaky in LF. In center, you get way more line drives hit right at you that are hard to judge, and there's no margin for error on a lot of balls hit in the gap (as Mackowiak keeps proving). The might think Ozuna's speed will save him out there, but I'm really dreading the sight. :(:

Vernam

SOXPHILE
06-02-2006, 10:46 AM
can somebody please put aaron rowand back in a sox uniform. I am convinced trading him in the first place messed with the chemistry of the team.

Right. And that whole "Getting Jim Thome in return" thing is REALLY screwing the whole thing up too.:rolleyes:

miker
06-02-2006, 11:06 AM
can somebody please put aaron rowand back in a sox uniform. I am convinced trading him in the first place messed with the chemistry of the team.
It's only a matter of time before Rowand-obsession will be banned here too...

Frater Perdurabo
06-02-2006, 11:19 AM
What sort of baffles me is that, last year, we were all about sacrificing plate production if it meant having a great glove man on the field. Crede and Uribe were the prime examples, but Rowand didn't hit so well, either.

Then this year, we have tons more offensive production but seem to be putting a lot of pressure on Anderson and Uribe to produce with the bat. Sure, we can't carry guys who'd bat .200 for the whole season, but neither of them is the reason we're losing games. (Unless you want to say Anderson's absence in the field is hurting us, which is definitely the case.)

I still can't believe Ozzie would seriously consider putting Ozuna in CF when he's looked so shaky in LF. In center, you get way more line drives hit right at you that are hard to judge, and there's no margin for error on a lot of balls hit in the gap (as Mackowiak keeps proving). The might think Ozuna's speed will save him out there, but I'm really dreading the sight. :(:

Vernam

Excellent post. Anderson prevents baserunners and prevents runs with his defense. Preventing runs is just as good as scoring them. The Sox need a nice balance of both scoring runs and preventing them. Mackowiak and Ozuna are great super-subs and pinch hitters, but they should not be starting in place of Anderson. At most, Mackowiak should get no more than two starts per week in CF, and Ozuna shouldn't get any.

Britt Burns
06-02-2006, 11:40 AM
Pablo in center = Xanax and Valium for me

Lip Man 1
06-02-2006, 12:45 PM
In the newspapers today (Friday) they reported that Ozuna has started working out in center field, if for no other reason, then he'll see some work there when Anderson begins serving his suspension.

Lip

alohafri
06-02-2006, 01:12 PM
As reported in todays Trib, if the new platoon of Anderson and Mack falters "expect to see Pablo Ozuna to recieve some playing time in center field.'

This frightens me as much as Wilkes coming toward me with a bottle of vodka!

JUribe1989
06-02-2006, 01:24 PM
I think it's a good idea to sacrifice some defense for some offense in this case. Mack and Ozuna would be a platoon i am in favor of.

JB98
06-02-2006, 01:26 PM
If Pablo gets a start in CF, it's going to be tempting to change the channel while the Sox are in the field. God help us.

Minnie Me
06-02-2006, 01:51 PM
In the newspapers today (Friday) they reported that Ozuna has started working out in center field, if for no other reason, then he'll see some work there when Anderson begins serving his suspension.

Lip

I luv Pabs as he is everything Willie Harris should have been but is not. Pablo will give you every molecule in his possession 1000% IMHO he is the highest "effort" guy we got on the squad.
With all of that being said, I am hoping that Ozzie/Kenny come up with a better solution than Pablo in CF but if it has to be that way don't turn your TV set off or go to the consession stand because Pablo is Mr. Excitment (and I want to bear his children).
My vote if anyone is counting is to leave Brian Anderson in CF and leave him there until a better option than Mack/Ozuna comes via the minors or by trade. Strong up the middle works for me.

soxfanaticpaulie
06-02-2006, 02:47 PM
I think it's a good idea to sacrifice some defense for some offense in this case. Mack and Ozuna would be a platoon i am in favor of.

Sorry, you don't want to sacrifice your Defense, especially up the middle, to that extent. You have to think about how many runs you are giving up a game on defense compared to how many runs you score on offense.

Crede is a good example. He has be lights out this year. By my observation he is saving 1-2 hits/game with his defense, many plays he saves are doubles down the line that he turns into outs.

When I see Anderson out there (and its much easier to see at a live game, granted) he is catching balls on the run that most players would be diving to catch, he has great instinct on the ball, his first step is almost always the right one. The balls he dives to catch, almost nobody in the league can even get to those. I've seen him steal a couple sure line drives doubles in the gap this season already.

I agree with a previous poster, leave BA out there until you find someone better. I'm not a big Mac fan at all. I think you lose any runs he gives you on offense with his defense most of the time. I'd be curious to see the club's record with Mac is CF vs BA in CF to date...might prove me wrong..but it might not...

thomas35forever
06-02-2006, 05:19 PM
God help Ozzie if this happens. Pablo should only be an infielder. Don't replace a centerfielder who can't hit with one who can't field. With all the hits our bullpen's been giving up, we need all the defense we need right now. Keep Anderson or only use Mackowiak as his backup. If Ozzie wants a new centerfielder, he should have the Sox call up Jerry Owens.

Frater Perdurabo
06-02-2006, 05:24 PM
If Ozzie wants a new centerfielder, he should have the Sox call up Jerry Owens.

The problem is that according to what I have read, Owens is more suited to play left field; like Pods, Mackowiak and a whole host of others, he lacks the range, skills and instincts to play CF at a high level.

IMHO, Anderson probably is the most talented center fielder in the entire organization. For that kind of defense, I'm willing to put up with an OBP as low as .200 out of the nine hole, especially since the Sox are getting good production from three of the other four positions where defense is most important (Iguchi, Crede and AJ are hitting quite well; only Uribe is not).

jongarlandlover
06-02-2006, 05:34 PM
If Pablo gets a start in CF, it's going to be tempting to change the channel while the Sox are in the field. God help us.

I agree. If he ever starts there, I may listen to it on ::gasp:: the radio! It'd be brutal...it was bad enough with him in left! He's an infielder, leave him there.

ChiSoxJay
06-02-2006, 11:45 PM
As reported in todays Trib, if the new platoon of Anderson and Mack falters "expect to see Pablo Ozuna to recieve some playing time in center field.'


:bundy

Chips
06-03-2006, 04:42 PM
I think it's a good idea to sacrifice some defense for some offense in this case. Mack and Ozuna would be a platoon i am in favor of.

Podsednik: .264, 1 HR, 14 RBI, 20 SB, .363 OBP
Iguchi: .293, 6 HR, 23 RBI, .349 OBP
Thome: .295, 20 HR, 52 RBI, .431 OBP, .661 SLG
Konerko: .295, 15 HR, 41 RBI, .373 OBP, .575 SLG
Dye: .307, 16 HR, 41 RBI, .404, .673 SLG
Pierzynski: .327, 2 HR, 13 RBI (no one's on base for him)
Crede: .295, 8 HR, 33 RBI

Our offense is fine. I could use some timely hitting.

I'll take the sacrifice on offense for good defense.

Anderson needs to get his swing back and if a trip to AAA is necessary than go for it.