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infohawk
05-26-2006, 09:01 AM
Barrett - 10 games and a fine
Anderson - 5 games and a fine
Cora - 2 games and a fine
A.J. - Just a fine (for what I have no idea)

twsoxfan5
05-26-2006, 09:03 AM
That is pretty much what I expected, but I am still puzzled as to why AJ recieved a fine. His play was clean and he didn't even swing back after he got hit. Ah well it is not coming out of my pocket.

Dan H
05-26-2006, 09:05 AM
The 10 games for Barrett is a good thing. I guess AJ got fined because he made a threatening gesture toward Barrett.

batmanZoSo
05-26-2006, 09:06 AM
A.J. - Just a fine (for what I have no idea)

Just for generally being a dick. :wink:

I'd say those are all fair and weighted appropriately.

KnoxHarrington
05-26-2006, 09:06 AM
Where'd you find out about the suspensions? I can't find anything about them. Also, what did Cora do?

Hangar18
05-26-2006, 09:07 AM
The 10 games for Barrett is a good thing. I guess AJ got fined because he made a threatening gesture toward Barrett.


ALL HE GOT WAS 10 GAMES? Thats a bunch of BS. Can Watson do anything right? The Dirtbag Barrett said he was looking to stir things up.
He admits it.

skobabe8
05-26-2006, 09:08 AM
What did Cora do? :?:

VenturaSoxFan23
05-26-2006, 09:08 AM
Why was Joey suspended? I missed his role in the fight.

Or was this from Sunday when he was jawing at Zambrano?

tebman
05-26-2006, 09:11 AM
A.J. - Just a fine (for what I have no idea)

"Because I don't like him! He's gross!"

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/06/26/mean_girls,0.jpg

infohawk
05-26-2006, 09:12 AM
Where'd you find out about the suspensions? I can't find anything about them. Also, what did Cora do?
I was listening to The Score and someone came on the air and announced them. I would assume that Cora was perceived as joining the fray and not trying to end it as a coach is expected to do.

McCuddy
05-26-2006, 09:13 AM
ALL HE GOT WAS 10 GAMES? Thats a bunch of BS. Can Watson do anything right? The Dirtbag Barrett said he was looking to stir things up.
He admits it.

Tavarez got ten. They're probably trying for consistency.

Chez
05-26-2006, 09:14 AM
Timing is bad for us. Sox face three left handed starters in the 5 games Anderson must sit -- unless he appeals.

VenturaSoxFan23
05-26-2006, 09:15 AM
Tavarez got ten. They're probably trying for consistency.

AJ got fined because he's the "heel champion". Heel champions never get off scot-free.

bigsqwert
05-26-2006, 09:15 AM
Timing is bad for us. Sox face three left handed starters in the 5 games Anderson must sit -- unless he appeals.

He hits lefties worse than righties.

KnoxHarrington
05-26-2006, 09:16 AM
I was listening to The Score and someone came on the air and announced them. I would assume that Cora was perceived as joining the fray and not trying to end it as a coach is expected to do.
Maybe it's because of all that biting he did. :wink:

Anyway, thanks for the update!

salty99
05-26-2006, 09:17 AM
Glad to see Pods didn't get anything.

infohawk
05-26-2006, 09:17 AM
Tavarez got ten. They're probably trying for consistency.
Baseball Prospectus (I know, I know) had a piece within the last few days about an incident in 1932 that was similar to the Barrett-Pierzynski situation. The puncher in that incident was suspended for one month and received a $1,000 fine. I wonder if the difference between the 30-day suspension and the 10-day suspension was fear of today's player's union?

jenn2080
05-26-2006, 09:19 AM
Glad Pods didnt get suspended. Barrett should have got more then 10 games. I CANNOT BELIEVE THEY FINED AJ. What a bunch of bull ****!!!!!!!!!!

Scottiehaswheels
05-26-2006, 09:23 AM
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060526&content_id=1472552&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

champagne030
05-26-2006, 09:23 AM
Where'd you find out about the suspensions? I can't find anything about them. Also, what did Cora do?

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060526&content_id=1472552&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

southside rocks
05-26-2006, 09:26 AM
I'm assuming Barrett will appeal his sanctions. Wonder if Anderson will? He said on the Score the other night that he will do whatever Kenny and Ozzie tell him to do in that. Maybe the club will appeal it and get it down to 2-3 games?

MUsoxfan
05-26-2006, 09:28 AM
10 games is low. 20 seems more appropriate

Viva Medias B's
05-26-2006, 09:29 AM
I think the 10-game suspension of Barrett is fair. I would question the fine of AJ. Otherwise, I think the punishments are adequate for the parties involved.

infohawk
05-26-2006, 09:29 AM
I'm confused as to why Derrek Lee wouldn't at least get a fine for coming onto the field. It has been stated several times since the incident occured that players on the DL cannot come onto the field and are subject to discipline if they do. Not to pick on Lee, but MLB had plenty of time to review the incident and is either going to do this by the book or not. How does A.J. get a fine for not violating any rules but Lee isn't at least given a token fine for violating a rule?

KnoxHarrington
05-26-2006, 09:32 AM
I'm confused as to why Derrek Lee wouldn't at least get a fine for coming onto the field. It has been stated several times since the incident occured that players on the DL cannot come onto the field and are subject to discipline if they do. Not to pick on Lee, but MLB had plenty of time to review the incident and is either going to do this by the book or not. How does A.J. get a fine for not violating any rules but Lee isn't at least given a token fine for violating a rule?
Did Contreras run on the field? If so, he'd be subject to the same discipline, since he wasn't reinstated from the DL until Sunday.

INSox56
05-26-2006, 09:32 AM
This really is a huge load of horse****. 10 games? COME ON...the guy got off with nothing as far as I'm concerned. Should have been 20...even the idiots at ESPN were saying 20 minimum. Also that DLee should have gotten games because, as it's been stated more times than I'm willing to hear, you cannot exit the dugout if you're on the DL. Period. Fairhanded, huh...?

Vernam
05-26-2006, 09:33 AM
The MLB press release says:
If appealed, the suspensions of Anderson and Barrett will be held in abeyance until the process is complete. "Abeyance?!" Now there's a word you don't see every day. According to http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn, it means "temporary cessation." Hey kids, let's try using it in a sentence:

"The Cubs' plans for a World Series victory parade have been held in abeyance for nearly 100 years."

Of course, that's not quite a "temporary" state, but close enough. :cool:

*** happened to Mabry? If AJ deserves a fine, so does he.

Vernam

bigsqwert
05-26-2006, 09:33 AM
I'm assuming Barrett will appeal his sanctions. Wonder if Anderson will? He said on the Score the other night that he will do whatever Kenny and Ozzie tell him to do in that. Maybe the club will appeal it and get it down to 2-3 games?

I'd rather have Brian sit the 5 games now while he is ice cold and Makowiak is hitting well.

jenn2080
05-26-2006, 09:35 AM
The MLB press release says:
"Abeyance?!" Now there's a word you don't see every day. According to http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn, it means "temporary cessation." Let's try using it in a sentence:

"The Cubs' plans for a World Series victory parade have been held in abeyance for nearly 100 years."

Of course, that's not quite a "temporary" state, but close enough. :cool:

*** happened to Mabry? If AJ deserves a fine, so does he.

Vernam

ya *** how did mabry get out scott free. what a bunch of crap. although i guess if pods did then whatever i cant complain.

Uncle_Patrick
05-26-2006, 09:36 AM
Barrett - 10 games and a fine
Anderson - 5 games and a fine
Cora - 2 games and a fine
A.J. - Just a fine (for what I have no idea)

Not really surprising, except maybe for Cora. Even though he did nothing, I knew that there was no way MLB would let AJ scot-free.

bluestar
05-26-2006, 09:37 AM
As far as the A.J. fine, it is important to remember the people making the decisions about suspensions and fines have information the public does not have. They base their decisions at least partially on the umpires' account of what happened, including anything that was said during and after the fracas. I'm not saying A.J. did anything warranting a fine, but apparently someone thought he did.

soxfan13
05-26-2006, 09:38 AM
ya *** how did mabry get out scott free. what a bunch of crap. although i guess if pods did then whatever i cant complain.

Mabry was trying to make peace and then ran into a very angry BA

kellykid
05-26-2006, 09:39 AM
I'm confused as to why Derrek Lee wouldn't at least get a fine for coming onto the field. It has been stated several times since the incident occured that players on the DL cannot come onto the field and are subject to discipline if they do. Not to pick on Lee, but MLB had plenty of time to review the incident and is either going to do this by the book or not. How does A.J. get a fine for not violating any rules but Lee isn't at least given a token fine for violating a rule?
My thoughts exactly! But I think most Sox fans knew this wouldn't be handled in a fair and impartial manner.

jenn2080
05-26-2006, 09:39 AM
Mabry was trying to make peace and then ran into a very angry BA

LOL no kidding.

INSox56
05-26-2006, 09:40 AM
Mabry was trying to make peace and then ran into a very angry BA

Yeah I agree...don't like Mabry much, but he was just trying to keep the peace and got run over by the pile....and Anderson's insane rage. LOL

Uncle_Patrick
05-26-2006, 09:43 AM
Mabry was in the wrong place at the wrong time. AJ's fine? My guess its either because or the "Bump" to Barrett or because someone thought he was trying to rile up the crowd with his arm flapping gestures after the fight was over. That's just my guess, though.

Layla
05-26-2006, 09:44 AM
Did you guys read the link?

Barrett - violent actions
Anderson - aggressive and violent actions
Cora - aggressive actions
AJ - conduct

What kind of justification is that? AJ's conduct? What did he do? Was it the running into the catcher? The slapping of the plate?

Oh wait - his conduct all together over the years. What a load of horse manure.

batmanZoSo
05-26-2006, 09:44 AM
I don't see how 10 games can be considered low. He threw one good punch. Yeah, it was BS and it was wrong, but let's face facts that AJ probably had it coming. We don't hear and see everything that goes on in a baseball game. There were times when he was on Minnesota when I wanted to punch him the face.

alohafri
05-26-2006, 09:45 AM
I figured Barrett would get 10 games and bargain down to 7. Anderson will probably bargain down to 2 or 3. Cora? Ah, who cares.

StillMissOzzie
05-26-2006, 09:45 AM
As far as the A.J. fine, it is important to remember the people making the decisions about suspensions and fines have information the public does not have. They base their decisions at least partially on the umpires' account of what happened, including anything that was said during and after the fracas. I'm not saying A.J. did anything warranting a fine, but apparently someone thought he did.

That's true, perhaps the umps heard some of the conversation that will never be made public. However, the only reason I can see for AJ getting fined are his gestures to incite the crowd and fanning the flames. It still sucks that Derek Lee DID escape scot-free, though.

SMO
:gulp:

tebman
05-26-2006, 09:46 AM
I don't see how 10 games can be considered low. He threw one good punch. Yeah, it was BS and it was wrong, but let's face facts that AJ probably had it coming. We don't hear and see everything that goes on in a baseball game. There were times when he was on Minnesota when I wanted to punch him the face.

:?:

southside rocks
05-26-2006, 09:47 AM
What kind of justification is that? AJ's conduct? What did he do? Was it the running into the catcher? The slapping of the plate?


<teal> Didn't say "excuse me" to Barrett after he bowled him over, I guess. <teal>

mcfish
05-26-2006, 09:49 AM
That's true, perhaps the umps heard some of the conversation that will never be made public. However, the only reason I can see for AJ getting fined are his gestures to incite the crowd and fanning the flames. It still sucks that Derek Lee DID escape scot-free, though.

SMO
:gulp:Do you want to get Contreras suspended? WE HAD A PLAYER ON THE DL LEAVE THE BENCH TOO!!!!

viagracat
05-26-2006, 09:50 AM
AJ probably won't even pay the fine himself; it will be paid by the Sox. No big deal. Maybe he said something we don't know about.

I didn't expect more than 10 games for Barrett. According to WBBM, Barrett is unlikely to appeal. Now the Cubs have to use a guy hitting about .050 behind the plate. :smile:

Glad to see Podsednik not get suspended, because I'm sure that came up in the MLB meetings. Tackling people usually gets you some time off, but in this case maybe it was because he went after Barrett after his egregious (if you think you like the word "abeyence"...:D: ) actions, it was OK. He's been hitting the ball well lately.

Maybe BA can use his time off to work on his swing. :cool: A .167 average isn't going to get you far. Even as good as he is on the field. And I think that's also about right. He did body-slam a guy who didn't start the fracas.

I guess MLB thought Mabry's getting his ass kicked was punishment enough. :D:

Sure as hell don't know what Cora did. Coaches can't appeal their suspensions. Maybe he did/say something too we don't know about.

All in all, not too surprising. Time to move on.

Layla
05-26-2006, 09:50 AM
I don't see how 10 games can be considered low. He threw one good punch. Yeah, it was BS and it was wrong, but let's face facts that AJ probably had it coming. We don't hear and see everything that goes on in a baseball game. There were times when he was on Minnesota when I wanted to punch him the face.

Look, if AJ would have said something along the lines of mentioned Barrett's significant other, I could see getting punched.

But since Barrett admitted AJ said squat, and got AJ into a bear hug, there was no justification.

Unless, of course, you follow the line that you're a jerk, I don't like you, so therefore I can punch you.

Try that in real life.

Iwritecode
05-26-2006, 09:52 AM
I don't see how 10 games can be considered low. He threw one good punch. Yeah, it was BS and it was wrong, but let's face facts that AJ probably had it coming. We don't hear and see everything that goes on in a baseball game. There were times when he was on Minnesota when I wanted to punch him the face.

That just means he's doing his job. He's a catcher. He's supposed to get into people's heads...

clarkent
05-26-2006, 09:56 AM
Don't know if this has been said. But since Cora is a coach, he does not have the rights afforded players from the collective bargaining agreement. He will start serving his suspension tonight.

Look for Ozzie at 3rd in his place.

batmanZoSo
05-26-2006, 09:56 AM
That just means he's doing his job. He's a catcher. He's supposed to get into people's heads...

Yeah and he does it better than anyone else. It's great to have a guy like that on your side. My point is, Barrett got what he deserved (and AJ got what is gonna come to someone like him, and not that it's right). Some people are saying 20 games...come on.

ode to veeck
05-26-2006, 10:00 AM
Look for Ozzie at 3rd in his place.

WHat and spoil a chance for the temp return of Waving Wally?!

Steelrod
05-26-2006, 10:01 AM
The unfairness is;
3 Sox players received discipline and only one Cub!

How is that fair. Had Barrett not acted, the situation would not have occurred.

batmanZoSo
05-26-2006, 10:02 AM
The unfairness is;
3 Sox players received discipline and only one Cub!

How is that fair. Had Barrett not acted, the situation would not have occurred.

Um, because it's not right to fight back just as it's not right to start the thing.

salty99
05-26-2006, 10:03 AM
No way Ozzie coaches third. I would think they would use Raines or move Baines to thrid and Raines at first.

Steelrod
05-26-2006, 10:05 AM
Um, because it's not right to fight back just as it's not right to start the thing.
Did the Cubs in the pile have their hands in their pockets?

clarkent
05-26-2006, 10:06 AM
No way Ozzie coaches third. I would think they would use Raines or move Baines to thrid and Raines at first.

The score just reported this-- said that Ozzie Jr. told them that this would happen this morning. I know it was the score.

Sox-on-TV44
05-26-2006, 10:06 AM
Barrett - 10 games and a fine
Anderson - 5 games and a fine
Cora - 2 games and a fine
A.J. - Just a fine (for what I have no idea)
Barrett should have at least 5 or 10 more games tacked on.That was dirty,no matter what.

Brian,5 games.Oh,well.More playing time for Mackowiak.

A.J. shouldn't never be fined at all.:angry: :angry: :angry:

Layla
05-26-2006, 10:09 AM
Um, because it's not right to fight back just as it's not right to start the thing.

I have to play devil's advocate here for a minute.

Let's say Pods never tackles Barrett. In your opinion, would that have been the end of it?

SOXPHILE
05-26-2006, 10:10 AM
Yesterday on Chicago Tribune Live, Chicago's very own Hobbit, Paul "Frodo" Sullivan, was talking about the coming suspensions, and again, he says how he doesn't agree with what Barrett did, and should get suspended, but he also thought that A.J. "had it coming". He's really making sure he gets in his lil' digs at the Sox since getting called into the principal's office, isn't he ? Jerk. :angry:

Rounding_Third
05-26-2006, 10:21 AM
What we don't know and never will is the amount of the fines. Its quite possible that A.J. was fined a minuscule amount just so they could say he was fined to keep the peace.

tebman
05-26-2006, 10:22 AM
Yesterday on Chicago Tribune Live, Chicago's very own Hobbit, Paul "Frodo" Sullivan, was talking about the coming suspensions, and again, he says how he doesn't agree with what Barrett did, and should get suspended, but he also thought that A.J. "had it coming". He's really making sure he gets in his lil' digs at the Sox since getting called into the principal's office, isn't he ? Jerk. :angry:

Great imagery, Soxphile! I'm picturing Frodo shuffling into the principal's office with a Tribune tucked under his arm. :D:

PaleHosed
05-26-2006, 10:28 AM
From MLB.com...

"White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski has been fined an undisclosed amount for his conduct during the incident."

The explanation for every other person says they were punished for their "aggressive" or "violent" actions.

This leads me to believe that AJ is fined for waving his arms to the crowd and the high-fives and whatever he was shouting in the dugout. If that is the case, it's fine with me - just as long as the fine had nothing to do with his on the field actions, because he did nothing wrong out there.

What I don't understand is what "aggressive" actions was Cora involved in. I don't really recall him even being out there. Maybe he was out there and was simply punished for being a coach and being involved.

Layla
05-26-2006, 10:33 AM
From MLB.com...

"White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski has been fined an undisclosed amount for his conduct during the incident."

The explanation for every other person says they were punished for their "aggressive" or "violent" actions.

This leads me to believe that AJ is fined for waving his arms to the crowd and the high-fives and whatever he was shouting in the dugout. If that is the case, it's fine with me - just as long as the fine had nothing to do with his on the field actions, because he did nothing wrong out there.

What I don't understand is what "aggressive" actions was Cora involved in. I don't really recall him even being out there. Maybe he was out there and was simply punished for being a coach and being involved.

I don't remember seeing Cora either. But I do know coaches are suppose to help stop the thing.

bigdommer
05-26-2006, 10:34 AM
AJ's fine almost gives him credibility and discredits MLB in the eyes of the public. It's so rediculously stupid it's almost funny.

10 games for Barrett is fine with me, as long as it's not reduced upon appeal. But I am sure it will be shrunk to 8. MLB should start over-suspending to compensate for the appeal.

Pierre...Cedeno...Walker...Ramirez...Jones...Mabry ...Murton...Blanco

That's the Cub lineup for 10 games. If they go 1-9, Dusty should get an extension.

DeadMoney
05-26-2006, 10:36 AM
From MLB.com...

"White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski has been fined an undisclosed amount for his conduct during the incident."

The explanation for every other person says they were punished for their "aggressive" or "violent" actions.

This leads me to believe that AJ is fined for waving his arms to the crowd and the high-fives and whatever he was shouting in the dugout. If that is the case, it's fine with me - just as long as the fine had nothing to do with his on the field actions, because he did nothing wrong out there.

What I don't understand is what "aggressive" actions was Cora involved in. I don't really recall him even being out there. Maybe he was out there and was simply punished for being a coach and being involved.

That's what I was thinking. IMO, MLB would have a reason to give a guy a small fine for 'taunting', which is what his actions could be deemed as in this situation.

ChiSoxGirl
05-26-2006, 10:37 AM
From MLB.com...

"White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski has been fined an undisclosed amount for his conduct during the incident."

The explanation for every other person says they were punished for their "aggressive" or "violent" actions.

This leads me to believe that AJ is fined for waving his arms to the crowd and the high-fives and whatever he was shouting in the dugout. If that is the case, it's fine with me - just as long as the fine had nothing to do with his on the field actions, because he did nothing wrong out there.

I tend to believe you're right. In addition to waving his arms to the crowd, maybe MLB took into account his reenactment of the punch from the dugout before he was ejected. :dunno: I think was AJ did was fine and doesn't warrant any kind of discipline, but if something had to be handed down, I'm glad it's in the monetary form and doesn't affect his ability to play.

SOXPHILE
05-26-2006, 10:43 AM
The Score just announced that Barrett would appeal his suspension. Shut up Barrett, take it like a man. Oh, wait, I forgot...

"MLB, on considering Barrett's appeal of his 10 game suspension, has taken another look at the incident, and agreed that 10 games was wrong. It has been increased to 15."

itsnotrequired
05-26-2006, 10:43 AM
I tend to believe you're right. In addition to waving his arms to the crowd, maybe MLB took into account his reenactment of the punch from the dugout before he was ejected. :dunno: I think was AJ did was fine and doesn't warrant any kind of discipline, but if something had to be handed down, I'm glad it's in the monetary form and doesn't affect his ability to play.

Yeah, AJ waved his arms to "pump the crowd" as he walked toward the dugout and also made a "can't hurt steel" gesture when he touched his face to his jaw.

In terms of the other suspensions/fines, they're about what I expected. I'm a little surprised by Cora though. Oh well, our plug-and-play bench will allow the Sox to weather this storm just fine.

Chez
05-26-2006, 10:49 AM
[quote=SOXPHILE]The Score just announced that Barrett would appeal his suspension.

That surprises me. Barrett was very contrite after the incident. This blows whatever little credibility he had left.

jenn2080
05-26-2006, 10:52 AM
[quote=SOXPHILE]The Score just announced that Barrett would appeal his suspension.

That surprises me. Barrett was very contrite after the incident. This blows whatever little credibility he had left.

Is Barrett dillusional?!?!?!?!?

I can not believe he appealing the suspension. He truely is a moron

viagracat
05-26-2006, 10:53 AM
[quote=SOXPHILE]The Score just announced that Barrett would appeal his suspension.

That surprises me. Barrett was very contrite after the incident. This blows whatever little credibility he had left.

Why not? He'll probably get it knocked down to 8. Wouldn't you if you were in that situation?

Andserson should do the same thing, and for the same reason.

Vernam
05-26-2006, 10:54 AM
Yesterday on Chicago Tribune Live, Chicago's very own Hobbit, Paul "Frodo" Sullivan, was talking about the coming suspensions, and again, he says how he doesn't agree with what Barrett did, and should get suspended, but he also thought that A.J. "had it coming". He's really making sure he gets in his lil' digs at the Sox since getting called into the principal's office, isn't he ? Jerk. :angry:Did the impartial sports experts at, ahem, Chicago Tribune Live ask Sullivan to explain the recent dressing-down that he got from MacFail?

Vernam

kravdog
05-26-2006, 10:54 AM
I'd rather have Brian sit the 5 games now while he is ice cold and Makowiak is hitting well.

i think we are better off if brian appeals, hopefully buying us some time until we have a weaker schedule and getting only 3 games. his defensive value late in the game can not be taken for granted... i personally think brian makes the catch that Mack didnt vs. the cubs on sunday...

spawn
05-26-2006, 10:54 AM
The Score just announced that Barrett would appeal his suspension.

That surprises me. Barrett was very contrite after the incident. This blows whatever little credibility he had left.
Doesn't surprise me. All of these guys, even when they know they are wrong, appeal in the hopes the supsension will be reduced. Barrett initiated it, and should face the music like a man...but seeing as he's not a real man, he's appealing.

UofCSoxFan
05-26-2006, 10:56 AM
AJ should and will appeal the fine. If not, I'd like to see Reisndorf step in and say I'll pay whatever fine because I want my players playing like AJ. Mabry probably didn't get fined because all his money went to hospital bills from the butt kicking Anderson put on him.

spawn
05-26-2006, 10:56 AM
The unfairness is;
3 Sox players received discipline and only one Cub!

How is that fair. Had Barrett not acted, the situation would not have occurred.
It's fair. The only other Cub that was really involved in the incident was Mabry, and he was only trying to break up the fight, only to get swung on by BA. If Watson suspends him, he'd have to suspend Pods as well for tackling Barrett's punk ***.

Hangar18
05-26-2006, 10:57 AM
I don't see how 10 games can be considered low. He threw one good punch. Yeah, it was BS and it was wrong, but let's face facts that AJ probably had it coming. We don't hear and see everything that goes on in a baseball game. There were times when he was on Minnesota when I wanted to punch him the face.

If were going to PUNCH and FINE people just because "they had it coming" is a very shaky argument. Im ok with Mabry and Pods not getting anything.
Anderson retaliated and thats fine what he got. Cora gets suspended for standing up for himself to a very Aggresive and twice the Size Zambozo cursing him out for Hi-Fiving AJ for his homerun? THATS BS. Barrett got away EASY. 10 games? and he can serve whenever he feels like it? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA, he'll wait til they play the "easy" teams then suddenly say hes going to serve his 5 game suspension (because Cowardly Lion Watson will shave 5 off for him)

There are numerous replays and pictures. Barrett was unfounded, and clearly had a fight on his mind when he blocked the plate WITHOUT the ball.
The nimrod failed to remember that:
1. The game is on tv. There will be replays
2. The guy coming at you is just as big as you, and is speeding towards you
3. You just said you wanted to stir things up before the game
4. Your one of the only good hitters left in the lineup
5. Your getting tossed puts another bad player in the lineup
Imbecile.

Remember that guy in high school, he was the star jock, handsome, on the baseball and football teams? He always wore the coolest clothes, and had that cool Z-28 to cruise around in? He always pushed around the bookworms, and took lunch money away from the foreign-exchange students? Thats Michael Barrett.

itsnotrequired
05-26-2006, 10:58 AM
AJ should and will appeal the fine. If not, I'd like to see Reisndorf step in and say I'll pay whatever fine because I want my players playing like AJ. Mabry probably didn't get fined because all his money went to hospital bills from the butt kicking Anderson put on him.

AJ said he would appeal any suspensions/fines on last Sunday's Final Word.

Jjav829
05-26-2006, 11:00 AM
That's about right. For those who didn't see Cora, he came flying in and was on the ground on top of Barrett right after Pods took Barrett down. I'm assuming he probably did something down there to warrant a suspension.

I include a visual as evidence.

http://home.comcast.net/%7Ejjav829/Cora.JPG

Right there you see #28 getting into the fracas.

SOXPHILE
05-26-2006, 11:03 AM
Did the impartial sports experts at, ahem, Chicago Tribune Live ask Sullivan to explain the recent dressing-down that he got from MacFail?

Vernam

HAH ! No. It was The Hobbit, Mark Gonzales and Lyn Bremmer on the panel. They were comparing Sox & Cubs at the 1/4 point of the season. They'd spend a minute or two on the Sox, then it would go down from there as they would talk & lament about how bad the Cubs were. I was wondering the same thing though. That would have been funny.

mcfish
05-26-2006, 11:04 AM
Is Barrett dillusional?!?!?!?!?

I can not believe he appealing the suspension. He truely is a moronThere is absolutely no reason not to appeal the suspension. Gives the Cubs a little time to set up another backup catcher and maybe get it cut by a couple games. Why not try for it? Hell Kenny Rodgers got his suspension cut almost in half for something that was even worse than what Barrett did. It doesn't make him a bad person (he already is that), it makes perfect sense to try to appeal the suspension.

McCuddy
05-26-2006, 11:04 AM
Barrett absolutely has to file an appeal - if for no other reason, his team's got three against Atlanta this weekend. The appeal would trigger the "abeyance" and at least get him into a game or two.

I am sure that someone in the organization recommended he be behind the plate this weekend if at all possible. He's following orders.

itsnotrequired
05-26-2006, 11:05 AM
There is absolutely no reason not to appeal the suspension. Gives the Cubs a little time to set up another backup catcher and maybe get it cut by a couple games. Why not try for it? Hell Kenny Rodgers got his suspension cut almost in half for something that was even worse than what Barrett did. It doesn't make him a bad person (he already is that), it makes perfect sense to try to appeal the suspension.

Bingo. Appealing suspensions is pretty much par for the course.

Uncle_Patrick
05-26-2006, 11:08 AM
[quote=SOXPHILE]The Score just announced that Barrett would appeal his suspension.

That surprises me. Barrett was very contrite after the incident. This blows whatever little credibility he had left.

Doesn't surprise me at all. Monday's comments in the Tribune have led me to believe that Barrett has convinced himself that his actions were justified. He's equated the play to being pushed down in the street. He thinks he was defending himself.

Undoubtedly, the Cubs brass wants him to appeal anyway. He's one of their best hitters.

mcfish
05-26-2006, 11:09 AM
AJ should and will appeal the fine. If not, I'd like to see Reisndorf step in and say I'll pay whatever fine because I want my players playing like AJ. Mabry probably didn't get fined because all his money went to hospital bills from the butt kicking Anderson put on him.What exactly should Mabry get fined for? All he did was get punched a bunch of times by BA. He is less deserving of a fine than AJ - at least AJ was involved in the play.

Chicken Dinner
05-26-2006, 11:09 AM
Was Joey doing some ankle biting?? :smile:

ChiSoxPatF
05-26-2006, 11:09 AM
So here is the ten thousand dollar question: Who will be standing at third giving the go-sign to every Sox player that comes by?! Harold Baines can't stay awake long enough to give the go-sign for nine innings!!!!

I guess it's fair. I kept saying as long as AJ isn't suspended the punishments would be fair but I still can't believe that 3 Sox players were punished and only 1 Cubs player (albeit alot longer). While Anderson was throwing the punches, Mabry was trying to tackle the kid. I would be more satisified had Mabry gotten 2 games as well.

Chez
05-26-2006, 11:16 AM
The reason I stated that I was surprised that Barrett is appealing is that after the game, he seemingly took full responsibility for the incident.

MLB needs to fix the flaw they have in this process. First, there's no reason it should have taken so long to hand down the suspensions. Second, the appeals process has become a joke. It seems like suspensions are always reduced AND it takes forever for MLB to hear the appeal which results in gamesmanship (e.g. players appeal because they have a tough series coming up and would rather sit during an easier part of their schedule). Watch, it will take another week or two for MLB to hear Barrett's appeal.

mrs. hendu
05-26-2006, 11:17 AM
I can't believe AJ got fined. Is it because they tried to silence possible FLub fan whining?

mcfish
05-26-2006, 11:20 AM
I guess it's fair. I kept saying as long as AJ isn't suspended the punishments would be fair but I still can't believe that 3 Sox players were punished and only 1 Cubs player (albeit alot longer). While Anderson was throwing the punches, Mabry was trying to tackle the kid. I would be more satisified had Mabry gotten 2 games as well.Anderson came in swinging at Barrett and it could be argued that he was just doing exactly what Pods was doing in tackling Anderson.

About the number of punishments on each side, it sucks, but that's just the way it is. Take solace in the fact that we lose a platoon player for 5 days and they lose one of their top 2 hitters for 10 days.

Layla
05-26-2006, 11:25 AM
Anderson came in swinging at Barrett and it could be argued that he was just doing exactly what Pods was doing in tackling Anderson.

About the number of punishments on each side, it sucks, but that's just the way it is. Take solace in the fact that we lose a platoon player for 5 days and they lose one of their top 2 hitters for 10 days.

You're right - let's get realistic about this. We all agree that AJ should not have been fined. But he still gets to play. Okay, so Cora is out for two games, but he is a coach, and you can put Raines or Baines there.

However, I accepted the four that were tossed during the game because I figured they wanted to make it even - two White Sox and two Cubs. I can't, however, figure out how three White Sox personnel got disciplined.

If they did consider AJ's alledged reputation, then should something ever happen involving Zambrano, I can only assume the same standard would be measured.

Anyone else have the feeling the next nterleague series is just not going to be worth the trouble it's going to cause?

samram
05-26-2006, 11:29 AM
I can't believe AJ got fined. Is it because they tried to silence possible FLub fan whining?

No, but it does seem like MLB bought a lot of the Cubs' and the Cubune's bull**** on this matter.

And Barrett is a dope. If MLB actually takes games off this suspension when he clearly started this with a punch, that would be a joke.

Finally, AJ got screwed and fining guys who didn't really do anything is just encouraging them to get their money's worth next time.

UofCSoxFan
05-26-2006, 11:30 AM
What exactly should Mabry get fined for? All he did was get punched a bunch of times by BA. He is less deserving of a fine than AJ - at least AJ was involved in the play.

It was a joke....didn't think I needed teal in the context of talking about how crazy the AJ fine is....My point is it seemed like they are fining everyone that was involved but maybe the felt Mabry already suffered enough.

SBSoxFan
05-26-2006, 11:47 AM
ya *** how did mabry get out scott free. what a bunch of crap. although i guess if pods did then whatever i cant complain.

Big difference - Mabry was ejected from the game, Pods was not.

I also agree with the people who said this was too lenient for Barrett. If BA gets 5, he should've gotten 15, especially given his history of this.

McCuddy
05-26-2006, 11:47 AM
If they did consider AJ's alledged reputation, then should something ever happen involving Zambrano, I can only assume the same standard would be measured.



Oh, but it can't be. One of the Cub fans in the office finally spoke up on the issue re: Zambrano. According to this guy, Pierzynski needed to be suspended for mocking Zambrano's religious beliefs. The pointing isn't showing people up - it's a form of prayer.

I am not making this up.

slobes
05-26-2006, 11:49 AM
Anderson came in swinging at Barrett and it could be argued that he was just doing exactly what Pods was doing in tackling Anderson.

About the number of punishments on each side, it sucks, but that's just the way it is. Take solace in the fact that we lose a platoon player for 5 days and they lose one of their top 2 hitters for 10 days.

Anderson came in more swinging at Mabry than at Barrett. Nothing I've seen so far has shown Mabry really getting involved in the fight before that, but I could be wrong. I think BA was just so pumped up about his first major league fight that he wanted to make a difference in it :cool:

SBSoxFan
05-26-2006, 11:50 AM
Did you guys read the link?

Barrett - violent actions
Anderson - aggressive and violent actions
Cora - aggressive actions
AJ - conduct

What kind of justification is that? AJ's conduct? What did he do? Was it the running into the catcher? The slapping of the plate?

Oh wait - his conduct all together over the years. What a load of horse manure.


So, Barrett's actions weren't aggresive??? :?:

Ol' No. 2
05-26-2006, 11:52 AM
I can't believe AJ got fined. Is it because they tried to silence possible FLub fan whining?It's for hitting Barrett in the fist with his face.

palehozenychicty
05-26-2006, 11:53 AM
As if we needed more ammo of the Cubune's vindictive nature and its buffoons, listen to this from their wire report.


Baker said he was "kind of" surprised that Pierzynski wasn't suspended.

"Like I've said, whenever there's a cause, there's an effect," he said. "I guess the effect was Michael."

to quote mudhoney, "i had to laugh."

UofCSoxFan
05-26-2006, 11:55 AM
Oh, but it can't be. One of the Cub fans in the office finally spoke up on the issue re: Zambrano. According to this guy, Pierzynski needed to be suspended for mocking Zambrano's religious beliefs. The pointing isn't showing people up - it's a form of prayer.

I am not making this up.

Well you can respond to this by stating that I'm pretty sure Pierzynski is CATHOLIC as I'm assuming Zambrano is too. AJ makes the Sign of the Cross before each at-bat so if he is mocking Zambrano he's mocking his OWN religious beliefs. Cubs fans are idiots......Please mention AJs pre at-bat routine to this guy and get back to me on his response..I'd love to hear it.

Shift
05-26-2006, 11:58 AM
The only thing I can think of is that Pierzynski incited the crowd while heading back into the dugout. I thought it was funny, but perhaps MLB didn't.

samram
05-26-2006, 11:59 AM
As if we needed more ammo of the Cubune's vindictive nature and its buffoons, listen to this from their wire report.


Baker said he was "kind of" surprised that Pierzynski wasn't suspended.

"Like I've said, whenever there's a cause, there's an effect," he said. "I guess the effect was Michael."

to quote mudhoney, "i had to laugh."

Dusty's a moron. Michael was the cause- you know, that whole punch in the face thing?

Uncle_Patrick
05-26-2006, 11:59 AM
As if we needed more ammo of the Cubune's vindictive nature and its buffoons, listen to this from their wire report.


Baker said he was "kind of" surprised that Pierzynski wasn't suspended.

"Like I've said, whenever there's a cause, there's an effect," he said. "I guess the effect was Michael."

to quote mudhoney, "i had to laugh."






Go back to Monday's "Barrett Won't Back Down" article in the Tribune. Dusty basically says the same thing, that there must have been a reason for Barrett's reaction, but it wasn't the play. Oh, and there was something the video wasn't showing. :rolleyes:

Translation: "Pierzynski had to do something else (besides the play) to set off Barrett. Somehow, AJ has to be at fault."

McCuddy
05-26-2006, 12:01 PM
Well you can respond to this by stating that I'm pretty sure Pierzynski is CATHOLIC as I'm assuming Zambrano is too. AJ makes the Sign of the Cross before each at-bat so if he is mocking Zambrano he's mocking his OWN religious beliefs. Cubs fans are idiots......Please mention AJs pre at-bat routine to this guy and get back to me on his response..I'd love to hear it.

Won't matter. We're talking about a guy who is so religious he kept perforating his statement on the issue with many four-letter words. The mind's been made up that A.J. "starts this stuff all the time."

That, and I actually felt my pressure rising listening to this idiot.

SBSoxFan
05-26-2006, 12:02 PM
Anyone else have the feeling the next nterleague series is just not going to be worth the trouble it's going to cause?

Yes. The cubs are a joke, and doesn't deserve to share a field with the White Sox. The White Sox are primed for another playoff run, and should not be subjected to the possibility of losing a player long-term because another Cubs' player or, worse yet, a Cubs' fan loses it during the next series.

Martinigirl
05-26-2006, 12:05 PM
I'd rather have Brian sit the 5 games now while he is ice cold and Makowiak is hitting well.

That is exactly what I was thinking.

Plus, if he appeals, the situation could be far worse later to serve it than it is now.

LongLiveFisk
05-26-2006, 12:07 PM
I just heard on the Score that Barrett is going to appeal.

What a loser.

mwc44
05-26-2006, 12:09 PM
...All in all, not too surprising. Time to move on.

Exactly! We lose a "cold" player for maybe 5 games, and a coach for 2. Plus, we have a catcher that has showed he can take one in the face and walk away laughing. I'd want AJ covering my back in a dark alley... but...

...the fight is history, the season rolls on... let's get back to winning another world championship!

Steelrod
05-26-2006, 12:13 PM
Dusty Baker was on 670 on tape saying he didn't understand why AJ wasn't suspended.
I no longer Trusty in Dusty!!!

GOGOGOPODS
05-26-2006, 12:14 PM
Please anyone tell me why AJ is getting fined? I guese just for being a dick, but you gotta love him in a sox uniform. Heres to AJ :gulp: :gulp:

southside rocks
05-26-2006, 12:14 PM
Phil Arvia wrote this in the Southtown the day after Barrett flipped out. Worth reading.
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/columns/arvia/x21-ard1.htm

Uncle_Patrick
05-26-2006, 12:15 PM
Please anyone tell me why AJ is getting fined? I guese just for being a dick, but you gotta love him in a sox uniform. Heres to AJ :gulp: :gulp:

I'm assuming that it probably has to do with his arm flapping after the fight. Someone probably construed that as AJ trying to incite the crowd.

mwc44
05-26-2006, 12:16 PM
...I no longer Trusty in Dusty!!!

If you ever did, you must be musty and rusty, cause I'm sure you're not lusty... perhaps more toward crusty? :rolling:
:kneeslap:

Frater Perdurabo
05-26-2006, 12:17 PM
The pointing isn't showing people up - it's a form of prayer.

I haven't seen enough A.J. homers to know if he always points to the sky (he doesn't homer that much, and I don't get to see that many games on TV), but I do know that A.J. also makes the "sign of the cross" before each at-bat as he steps up to the plate.

Some of the resentment on the part of Cubs fans that leads them to accuse A.J. of mocking Zambozo (thanks, Hangar!) may go back a few years to when Valentin homered and mocked Sosa's ritual during (IIRC) a Sox victory over the Cubs.

Uncle_Patrick
05-26-2006, 12:20 PM
Phil Arvia wrote this in the Southtown the day after Barrett flipped out. Worth reading.
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/columns/arvia/x21-ard1.htm

Great article!!:thumbsup:

Steelrod
05-26-2006, 12:22 PM
If you ever did, you must be musty and rusty, cause I'm sure you're not lusty... perhaps more toward crusty? :rolling:
:kneeslap:
I must have been "nutsy"

Vernam
05-26-2006, 12:23 PM
HAH ! No. It was The Hobbit, Mark Gonzales and Lyn Bremmer on the panel. They were comparing Sox & Cubs at the 1/4 point of the season. They'd spend a minute or two on the Sox, then it would go down from there as they would talk & lament about how bad the Cubs were. I was wondering the same thing though. That would have been funny.What a surprise! Paging George Knue . . . I can't wait for his impassioned explanation that our "flock" is paranoid for expecting that a panel of journalists might have considered it their duty to inquire about the MacFail/Hobbit controversy. Maybe if MacFail had sucker-punched him, it would have made the news.

Vernam

mrs. hendu
05-26-2006, 12:24 PM
I'm assuming that it probably has to do with his arm flapping after the fight. Someone probably construed that as AJ trying to incite the crowd.
In section 506 where I was during the game, the crowd was cheering AJ, but we were not able to see what he was doing in the dugout.

White_Sock
05-26-2006, 12:29 PM
AJ needs to file an assault charge- a bare knuckle blow to the face is no joke. AJ took it in stride, but he could have been seriously hurt. Of course there are probably politics behind the scenes affecting this situation, but ten games for a clean unaggrivated headshot is a complete joke! And they end up fining the victim?!? For what?!?

Unbelievable!

Rob190
05-26-2006, 12:32 PM
AJ needs to file an assault charge- a bare knuckle blow to the face is no joke. AJ took it in stride, but he could have been seriously hurt. Of course there are probably politics that behind the scenes affecting this situation, but ten games for a clean unaggrivated headshot is a complete joke! And they end up fining the victim?!? For what?!?

Unbelievable!

AJ's face may have damaged Barretts knuckle.

ChiSoxLifer
05-26-2006, 12:47 PM
I don't see how 10 games can be considered low. He threw one good punch. Yeah, it was BS and it was wrong, but let's face facts that AJ probably had it coming. We don't hear and see everything that goes on in a baseball game. There were times when he was on Minnesota when I wanted to punch him the face.

Marriotti, is that you?

Soxfanspcu11
05-26-2006, 01:08 PM
AJ's face may have damaged Barretts knuckle.


:bundy

I didn't even know that this color existed!!!!

kevin57
05-26-2006, 01:13 PM
This is pretty much what I expected, but I think anything against AJ for the fight is unjust.

In the immediate aftermath of that game I was willing to give Barrett credit for making sounds like he was contrite and taking responsibility, but he dissed two offers from AJ to do a face-to-face reconciliation. Barrett is a two-faced liar on this issue. He's made it at least look like he just wanted to lower the penalty for the fight (through an insincere "mea culpa").

IlliniSox4Life
05-26-2006, 01:20 PM
I haven't seen enough A.J. homers to know if he always points to the sky (he doesn't homer that much, and I don't get to see that many games on TV), but I do know that A.J. also makes the "sign of the cross" before each at-bat as he steps up to the plate.

Some of the resentment on the part of Cubs fans that leads them to accuse A.J. of mocking Zambozo (thanks, Hangar!) may go back a few years to when Valentin homered and mocked Sosa's ritual during (IIRC) a Sox victory over the Cubs.

AJ did the same point to the sky thing after an at-bat against he A's. I believe it was on Tuesday. I think it was just a base hit or a double. He might have hit an RBI in on the play, and that's why he did it, but I clearly remember him doing it. I am pretty sure it was a single.


Also, regarding everything:
I can understand their reason behind giving AJ a fine, but it doesn't make it right. Even the umpires said the only reason they threw him out was to keep peace.

Also, I think they all should appeal - it's worth a shot, and if I am correct, during a suspension, you don't make any money. This is potentially thousands of dollars for Barrett, and while I don't like him, the money in itself is worth the appeal. Anderson should do the same, but he did the right thing in letting Kenny and Ozzie decide how he should handle it in whatever way is best for the team.

10 games isn't too little for Barrett, but it's on the bottom end. If it gets knocked down to 7 or 8, that is way to low. Anderson should end up with 3 or so.

Layla
05-26-2006, 01:51 PM
AJ did the same point to the sky thing after an at-bat against he A's. I believe it was on Tuesday. I think it was just a base hit or a double. He might have hit an RBI in on the play, and that's why he did it, but I clearly remember him doing it. I am pretty sure it was a single.


Also, regarding everything:
I can understand their reason behind giving AJ a fine, but it doesn't make it right. Even the umpires said the only reason they threw him out was to keep peace.

Also, I think they all should appeal - it's worth a shot, and if I am correct, during a suspension, you don't make any money. This is potentially thousands of dollars for Barrett, and while I don't like him, the money in itself is worth the appeal. Anderson should do the same, but he did the right thing in letting Kenny and Ozzie decide how he should handle it in whatever way is best for the team.

10 games isn't too little for Barrett, but it's on the bottom end. If it gets knocked down to 7 or 8, that is way to low. Anderson should end up with 3 or so.

Right now the Cubs game is on. Zambrano walked in a run. After the end of the inning, I specifically watched to see him point to the sky. Didn't do it.
Now, does he just do it when the Cubs are winning? Or when he doesn't give a run?

CLR01
05-26-2006, 01:58 PM
Anderson came in more swinging at Mabry than at Barrett. Nothing I've seen so far has shown Mabry really getting involved in the fight before that, but I could be wrong. I think BA was just so pumped up about his first major league fight that he wanted to make a difference in it :cool:


You need to go back and watch a replay of the fight. You can see very clearly Anderson throws and lands a punch on Barrett and then he takes a swing at Mabry when he pulls him away.

CLR01
05-26-2006, 01:59 PM
Right now the Cubs game is on. Zambrano walked in a run. After the end of the inning, I specifically watched to see him point to the sky. Didn't do it.
Now, does he just do it when the Cubs are winning? Or when he doesn't give a run?


I've only seen him do it after striking out the 3rd out of the inning.

North Sox Sider
05-26-2006, 02:07 PM
I am a little surprised the cub fans didnt give Barrett a standing O. I thought for sure they would be on there feet for his entire at bat. No real reaction from the fans at all. I am Shocked!!!!

Hangar18
05-26-2006, 02:09 PM
I've only seen him do it after striking out the 3rd out of the inning.

For StrikeOuts that are not Inning-ending, he Pumps his Fist into the Air,
or he does a Elaine Benes Leg-Kick. He sometimes does both. But he always acknowledges an out hes made, with one of those three moves.
Privately, many NL players arent enamored by these moves that are interpreted as showing up the players.

yesenia
05-26-2006, 02:09 PM
I think they were scared

Hangar18
05-26-2006, 02:10 PM
I am a little surprised the cub fans didnt give Barrett a standing O. I thought for sure they would be on there feet for his entire at bat. No real reaction from the fans at all. I am Shocked!!!!


IM SHOCKED TOO am I detecting class on the north-side?
We'll have to acknowledge that if its true

spawn
05-26-2006, 02:15 PM
I am a little surprised the cub fans didnt give Barrett a standing O. I thought for sure they would be on there feet for his entire at bat. No real reaction from the fans at all. I am Shocked!!!!
Well, considering Cub fans are the dumbest fans in baseball, it doesn't surprise me. maybe if barrett had bought them all a beer, he may have gotten a standing "O". Cub fans probably didn't even realize he was at the plate, what with sunning themselves, drinking their Budweisers, and trying to pick up hot chicks.

LongLiveFisk
05-26-2006, 02:17 PM
I am a little surprised the cub fans didnt give Barrett a standing O. I thought for sure they would be on there feet for his entire at bat. No real reaction from the fans at all. I am Shocked!!!!

WOW!! I thought FOR SURE they would be giving him some props.

But, a lot of them did think Barrett was wrong, so you can't think he's wrong and wildly cheer him at the same time.

WizardsofOzzie
05-26-2006, 02:17 PM
AJ's face may have damaged Barretts knuckle.

:tealtutor:

southside rocks
05-26-2006, 02:22 PM
That was a great article by Paul Arvia. Nice to know the Trib is on our side! Atleast in that. I for one don't mind them owning the Cubs.

Arvia's column runs in the Daily Southtown, and I *think* that the Sun-Times owns or controls the Southtown. I know it's not the Trib!!

Soxfanspcu11
05-26-2006, 02:28 PM
I'm not surprised at all that they didn't give that dumbass a standing O. Not cause he's a dumbass but probably because they don't even know who he is and what he did.

jenmcm76
05-26-2006, 02:32 PM
10 games does seem a bit light of a sentence for Barrett, but you're all overlooking the unspoken part of the punishment...

10-game suspension
106 additional games this season to be spent as a Cub

Not to mention having to spend the rest of his life as a universally-recognized *ss.

Iwritecode
05-26-2006, 02:35 PM
Well, considering Cub fans are the dumbest fans in baseball, it doesn't surprise me. maybe if barrett had bought them all a beer, he may have gotten a standing "O". Cub fans probably didn't even realize he was at the plate, what with sunning themselves, drinking their Budweisers, and trying to pick up hot chicks.

They probably didn't realize it was him because the Cubs no longer have their names on the backs of their jerseys.

pssondacubs
05-26-2006, 02:52 PM
Maybe A.J. got suspended because he didn't go after Barrett. That's the part I don't understand, why he didn't go off like a stick of dynamite and rip into Barrett. Part of me is glad he didn't because surely he would have been suspended. But he didn't start anything. It would have been purely self defense. He went into the dugout all fired up It would have been nice to see him take some of that fire and rip into Barrett.

itsnotrequired
05-26-2006, 02:52 PM
I wonder what kind of impact this fine will have on AJ?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg

ilsox7
05-26-2006, 03:08 PM
I wonder what kind of impact this fine will have on AJ?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/winfieldscott/AJ.jpg


That's post of the century material right there.

itsnotrequired
05-26-2006, 03:09 PM
That's post of the century material right there.

Perhaps Homefish knew something we didn't...

:rolleyes:

white sox bill
05-26-2006, 03:39 PM
I think AJ got the boot to keep things from further escalating. He would been a prime target for cub releivers. Why the fine, who knows!

DickAllen72
05-26-2006, 04:22 PM
Barrett should have gotten twenty games.

The only thing A.J. should have received was an apology for being thrown out of the game.

If Barrett got twenty, Anderson's five would have been fair. But since Barrett only got ten, Anderson should only get three.

If Barrett gets his suspension reduced at all upon appeal it will be a travesty.

soxruleEP
05-26-2006, 04:23 PM
Tackling people usually gets you some time off, but in this case maybe it was because he went after Barrett after his egregious (if you think you like the word "abeyence"...:D: ) actions, it was OK.

Two great lawyer words.

HotelWhiteSox
05-26-2006, 04:57 PM
Dusty Baker is truely a joke, saying the suspension was too harsh. There's a line between player's manager and complete moron.

Cora getting suspended for 'not acting as a peace maker' is iffy as well, he's a little toothpick, I'm sure he could've broken everything up :?:

AJ for instigating the crowd? Zambrano pointing at the Sox dugout that he would hit someone in the head seems pretty bad too

A little surprised Mabry got nothing, even if he looked like a women, I still saw him attempt to swing.

SoxFan64
05-26-2006, 05:09 PM
So, Barrett's actions weren't aggresive??? :?:

Violent is higher up the food chain than aggressive.

The penalties seem fair. I don't know what Cora did. But IIRC he can't appeal. BA getting 5 games seems fair. Barrett getting 10 games -- maybe light -- but still fair. AJ probably got the fine for inciting the crowd (just a guess). And the fact that neither DLee or JC got into trouble is good for both teams. Maybe DLee and JC did not get suspensions because they were not ejected from the game (again a guess).

Losing Pods would have been worse. So we got lucky with Scotty but again it could be because he was not ejected. Mabry deserved nothing -- other than a cold compress.

TheOldRoman
05-26-2006, 05:40 PM
Um, because it's not right to fight back just as it's not right to start the thing. :rolleyes:
I'll leave it at that.

The suspensions re an absolute joke. I am fine with Anderson and Cora's suspensions. However, Barrette should have gotten AT LEAST 20 games. That piece of crap sucker punched someone and started a brawl for absolutely no reason. He, in his sick twisted mind, decided to throw a punch at AJ from behind AJ's back. Completely unprovoked. No other punches are thrown if he doesn't decide to suckerpunch AJ.
Furthermore, Barrette had planned to start something. Jill Carlson of Fox asked him before Saturday's gaem for a post game interview, and he said "I don't know, a lot can happen during a game". He was planning to suckerpunch someone to start a "motivational" brawl if the opportunity presented itself.
Of course, almost all appeals knock a few games off of suspensions. That is why 20 games would have been sufficient. If it was knocked down to 15, I could live with that. However, Barrette will end up with 7 or 8 games now. For only the 5th time ever, I agree with Hangar. This is an absolute sham. If it were reversed, AJ would have gotten at least 25 games off, because of his "reputation".

SBSoxFan
05-26-2006, 05:43 PM
Violent is higher up the food chain than aggressive.

But wasn't BA suspended for "aggressive and violent actions"? That sounds worse than just violent.

wsoxgalkelly
05-26-2006, 05:51 PM
Michael Barrett is a loser! He should of had way more games. They took it easy on him because he is the "nice guy" and every Cub fan thinks AJ deserved it. That is the biggest load of malarchy I have ever heard!!!!!

MarySwiss
05-26-2006, 05:54 PM
Barrett should have gotten twenty games.

The only thing A.J. should have received was an apology for being thrown out of the game.

If Barrett got twenty, Anderson's five would have been fair. But since Barrett only got ten, Anderson should only get three.

If Barrett gets his suspension reduced at all upon appeal it will be a travesty.

Of course, if you think about it, Barrett should be appealing to have his suspension INCREASED.

It's kind of like that old joke:
First prize: A year's supply of frozen pizza.*
Second prize: Two years' supply.

*Changed to avoid turning this into a political thread.

clarkent
05-26-2006, 06:21 PM
No way Ozzie coaches third. I would think they would use Raines or move Baines to thrid and Raines at first.

Like our new 3rd base coah? Ozzie!!

CLR01
05-26-2006, 06:45 PM
:rolleyes:
I'll leave it at that.

The suspensions re an absolute joke. I am fine with Anderson and Cora's suspensions. However, Barrette should have gotten AT LEAST 20 games. That piece of crap sucker punched someone and started a brawl for absolutely no reason. He, in his sick twisted mind, decided to throw a punch at AJ from behind AJ's back. Completely unprovoked. No other punches are thrown if he doesn't decide to suckerpunch AJ.
Furthermore, Barrette had planned to start something. Jill Carlson of Fox asked him before Saturday's gaem for a post game interview, and he said "I don't know, a lot can happen during a game". He was planning to suckerpunch someone to start a "motivational" brawl if the opportunity presented itself.
Of course, almost all appeals knock a few games off of suspensions. That is why 20 games would have been sufficient. If it was knocked down to 15, I could live with that. However, Barrette will end up with 7 or 8 games now. For only the 5th time ever, I agree with Hangar. This is an absolute sham. If it were reversed, AJ would have gotten at least 25 games off, because of his "reputation".


:rolleyes: is right. These penalties are fair.

If this happened in a game between the Rockies and the Padres few , if any, here would have a problem with the length of suspension. Of course it happened to the Sox in a game against the Cubs so everyone is crying foul.

If Barrett deserves deserves 20+ games for a sucker punch Anderson deserves 10+ for his.

TheOldRoman
05-26-2006, 07:37 PM
:rolleyes: is right. These penalties are fair.

If this happened in a game between the Rockies and the Padres few , if any, here would have a problem with the length of suspension. Of course it happened to the Sox in a game against the Cubs so everyone is crying foul.

If Barrett deserves deserves 20+ games for a sucker punch Anderson deserves 10+ for his.
If there was a premeditated sucker punch thrown in a game between the Rockies and Padres, YES, I would expect a 20 game suspension.

champagne030
05-26-2006, 07:52 PM
If there was a premeditated sucker punch thrown in a game between the Rockies and Padres, YES, I would expect a 20 game suspension.

I'm not on the premeditated punch, but considering Marty's statements before the game. I can see where you're coming from.

CLR01
05-26-2006, 08:19 PM
If there was a premeditated sucker punch thrown in a game between the Rockies and Padres, YES, I would expect a 20 game suspension.


Yes because telling a reporter that "A lot can happen during a game" in response for an interview request proves this was premeditated. Any proof that that actually happened or is this just another media "report"

If it was premeditated why not just hit the first guy that comes to the plate or hit AJ when he steps into the box? What good is motivation when you pitcher has already walked the world in the first two innings and currently has the bases juiced.

White_Sock
05-26-2006, 10:23 PM
Originally Posted by CLR01
:rolleyes: is right. These penalties are fair.

If this happened in a game between the Rockies and the Padres few , if any, here would have a problem with the length of suspension. Of course it happened to the Sox in a game against the Cubs so everyone is crying foul.

If Barrett deserves deserves 20+ games for a sucker punch Anderson deserves 10+ for his.


Suppose AJ couldn't take a punch so well- or that Barrett hits AJ's knockout spot on his jaw and he falls and hits his head on the ground (see Todd Bertuzzi). The kind of punch thrown here is what makes this so despicable. AJ could have been seriously hurt...and for what? The league needs to send a message concerning this kind of cheap garbage. If AJ would have been hurt, there would have been more serious repercussions. The fact that Barrett's throwing of a bareknuckle fist (out of nowhere) into AJ's jaw could have seriously hurt/injured him should have been enough to bring about serious consequences.

CLR01
05-26-2006, 10:40 PM
Suppose AJ couldn't take a punch so well- or that Barrett hits AJ's knockout spot on his jaw and he falls and hits his head on the ground (see Todd Bertuzzi). The kind of punch thrown here is what makes this so despicable. AJ could have been seriously hurt...and for what? The league needs to send a message concerning this kind of cheap garbage. If AJ would have been hurt, there would have been more serious repercussions. The fact that Barrett's throwing of a bareknuckle fist (out of nowhere) into AJ's jaw could have seriously hurt/injured him should have been enough to bring about serious consequences.


Suppose Anderson had a knife hidden in his helmet, Ozzie brought a chair onto the field or one of the off duty cop security guards had his gun and opened fire......It didn't happen so why pretend it did? This is not the first fight to happen in the MLB and it won't be the last and you know what not once have I seen anyone put on a pair of gloves. All of the punches thrown were bareknuckle fist. Yes the punch was a cheap shot but the same damage could have been done even had AJ known the punch was coming and the same damage could have been done to Barrett had Anderson hit his knock out spot. But I suppose he deserved it.

Hitmen77
05-26-2006, 11:21 PM
why wasn't BA on suspension tonight? Did he appeal it? :?:

itsnotrequired
05-26-2006, 11:25 PM
why wasn't BA on suspension tonight? Did he appeal it? :?:

He must have...or maybe the rules don't apply in Canada.:redneck

PaleHoseGeorge
05-27-2006, 06:49 AM
Suppose Anderson had a knife hidden in his helmet, Ozzie brought a chair onto the field or one of the off duty cop security guards had his gun and opened fire......It didn't happen so why pretend it did?

Oh, I can top that.
:smile:

Suppose Barrett sucker punches A.J., but Anderson comes running in from first base and pile drives Barrett to the ground. Then Ozzie comes running out of the dugout with a folding chair and while A.J. holds Barrett up, he hits him over the head with the chair. Then Mambry makes a running lunge up from behind A.J., but A.J. sees him first and steps out of the way at the last second and Mambry misses him, landing instead on top of Barrett. And then Miss Jessica runs in from the umpire's gate with another folding chair and she hits Barrett on the head, plus an extra shot to Mambry just for good measure.

And with the crowd whipped into an uncontrolled frenzy (thanks to A.J., of course), the Ultimate Warrior comes flying down on a rope from the upper deck, lands at homeplate, and kicks Barrett into an unconscious bloody mess! He grabs one of the Sox Pride girls, slings her over his shoulder and is last seen running out the centerfield gate to parts unknown.

http://www.stu-man.com/archives/wwe_jimross.jpg
"DAMN YOU, A.J.! DAMN YOU!!!"

southside rocks
05-27-2006, 06:55 AM
Oh, I can top that.
:smile:

Suppose Barrett sucker punches A.J., but Anderson comes running in from first base and pile drives Barrett to the ground. Then Ozzie comes running out of the dugout with a folding chair and while A.J. holds Barrett up, he hits him over the head with the chair. Then Mambry makes a running lunge up from behind A.J., but A.J. sees him first and steps out of the way at the last second and Mambry misses him, landing instead on top of Barrett. And then Miss Jessica runs in from the umpire's gate with another folding chair and she hits Barrett on the head, plus an extra shot to Mambry just for good measure.

And with the crowd whipped into an uncontrolled frenzy (thanks to A.J., of course), the Ultimate Warrior comes flying down on a rope from the upper deck, lands at homeplate, and kicks Barrett into an unconscious bloody mess! He grabs one of the Sox Pride girls, slings her over his shoulder and is last seen running out the centerfield gate to parts unknown.

http://www.stu-man.com/archives/wwe_jimross.jpg
"DAMN YOU, A.J.! DAMN YOU!!!"

Well, okay, that might merit a $2,000 fine to AJ.

Lillian
05-27-2006, 08:16 AM
I think that A. J. was unfairly ejected from the game, and now unfairly fined. He did nothing wrong, and demonstrated great restraint in not fighting back. How in the world you fine someone for gesturing to the crowd, under those circumstances, is beyond me.

As for Barrett, his suspension seems quite lenient, considering the blatant, violent nature of the offense, which would be considered assault, off of the diamond. Moreover, it is a little hypocritical to claim to be contrite, and then appeal the punishment, which seems quite reasonable.

SBSoxFan
05-27-2006, 08:20 AM
I think that A. J. was unfairly ejected from the game, and now unfairly fined. He did nothing wrong, and demonstrated great restraint in not fighting back. How in the world you fine someone for gesturing to the crowd, under those circumstances, is beyond me.

As for Barrett, his suspension seems quite lenient, considering the blatant, violent nature of the offense, which would be considered assault, off of the diamond. Moreover, it is a little hypocritical to claim to be contrite, and then appeal the punishment, which seems quite reasonable.

What you fail to understand that Barrett's actions, while violent, were not aggressive. Hence the leniency.

Steelrod
05-27-2006, 08:24 AM
What you fail to understand that Barrett's actions, while violent, were not aggressive. Hence the leniency.
:)

digdagdug23
05-27-2006, 09:28 AM
He must have...or maybe the rules don't apply in Canada.:redneck

I was listening to 'score' last night in the car, and Singleton interviewed BA, in which he said " I am going to go out and play, and between my agent and KW they will figure it out, and let meknow what I am supposed to do". Or something to that effect. So, yes, he is appealing.

CLR01
05-27-2006, 12:30 PM
Oh, I can top that.
:smile:

Suppose Barrett sucker punches A.J., but Anderson comes running in from first base and pile drives Barrett to the ground. Then Ozzie comes running out of the dugout with a folding chair and while A.J. holds Barrett up, he hits him over the head with the chair. Then Mambry makes a running lunge up from behind A.J., but A.J. sees him first and steps out of the way at the last second and Mambry misses him, landing instead on top of Barrett. And then Miss Jessica runs in from the umpire's gate with another folding chair and she hits Barrett on the head, plus an extra shot to Mambry just for good measure.

And with the crowd whipped into an uncontrolled frenzy (thanks to A.J., of course), the Ultimate Warrior comes flying down on a rope from the upper deck, lands at homeplate, and kicks Barrett into an unconscious bloody mess! He grabs one of the Sox Pride girls, slings her over his shoulder and is last seen running out the centerfield gate to parts unknown.

BULL****!



There is no way the Ultimate Warrior is able to carry the Chevy Pride girl up and over the 20' steel cage that was parachuted in. :rolleyes:

TheOldRoman
05-27-2006, 01:23 PM
BULL****!



There is no way the Ultimate Warrior is able to carry the Chevy Pride girl up and over the 20' steel cage that was parachuted in. :rolleyes:
The replays showed that the Iron Sheik put the homeplate umpire in the Camel Clutch while the force of the Bonzai Drop deliver by Yokozuna onto Aramis Ramirez caused the cage to collapse outward. Warrior was only halfway up the cage when it collapsed.