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whitesoxfan1986
05-25-2006, 11:48 PM
If somehow Prior ended up on the Sox, do you think his career could turn around? I personally think Herm Schneider and Coop could work wonders with him. I know this would not happen in a million years, but this rumor this offseason made me salivate. I think Prior is an excellent pitcher but Dusty Baker screwed him up in '03. On the other hand his arm might be messed up forever though. I've always wanted to see a good K/9 guy on the Sox. I thought Vazquez was going to be that guy, but he has disappointed me on that aspect. It seems that the Sox always have good control pitchers, but never strikeout pitchers.

Parrothead
05-25-2006, 11:51 PM
Are you high! ? :smokin:

Tragg
05-25-2006, 11:52 PM
Theoretically fine, but I don't want to trade much young talent for that health gamble.

I think some players like the DL...Prior may be one of them.

Chips
05-25-2006, 11:53 PM
Buehrle, Garcia, Contreras, Garland, and Vazquez

spiffie
05-25-2006, 11:59 PM
If somehow Prior ended up on the Sox, do you think his career could turn around? I personally think Herm Schneider and Coop could work wonders with him. I know this would not happen in a million years, but this rumor this offseason made me salivate. I think Prior is an excellent pitcher but Dusty Baker screwed him up in '03. On the other hand his arm might be messed up forever though. I've always wanted to see a good K/9 guy on the Sox. I thought Vazquez was going to be that guy, but he has disappointed me on that aspect. It seems that the Sox always have good control pitchers, but never strikeout pitchers.
Obviously we'd never be able to get him at this price, but for the price of a AA prospect I'd take him. Send him to our team doctors and say "we're cleaning up any issues in your arm and keeping you on the shelf for one year so that everything is healed." But like I said no way we'd ever be able to get him for a price to justify the risk/reward ratio involved.

whitesoxfan1986
05-26-2006, 12:04 AM
Guys, our starting pitching is fine. This is just a theoretical thing. I am not at all advocating any sort of trade whatsoever. this is just a "What If" thread. I AM NOT ON DRUGS. Like I said in the original post, this would not happen in a million years. Am I more clarified now?

Banix12
05-26-2006, 12:07 AM
The sox don't have a need for him right now and the price will be too steep. However if the situation were different and the sox needed a pitcher, certainly. His talent is undeniable and any team should want to take a chance on him.

Ol' No. 2
05-26-2006, 12:19 AM
Guys, our starting pitching is fine. This is just a theoretical thing. I am not at all advocating any sort of trade whatsoever. this is just a "What If" thread. I AM NOT ON DRUGS. Like I said in the original post, this would not happen in a million years. Am I more clarified now?I also have serious questions about whether he's been permanently messed up by Crusty Faker. If I were a GM considering Prior, I'd have to do some serious investigating before committing anything much in a trade.

chisoxmike
05-26-2006, 12:44 AM
No.

IlliniSox4Life
05-26-2006, 12:46 AM
Since this is a "what if" and you are just evaluating his talent/potential, yes, I'd give him a shot. He's got good stuff, and you can never have too much pitching. It's just a matter of if Dusty screwed him up and if he is going to be on the DL for half of his career. I wouldn't give him a shot at the rotation, at least right away, but we're not comparing him to our talent, just looking at Prior alone.

Any team in the majors would take him IF they didn't have to give up anything more than a AA player and money was no concern and youre just talking about his skill/potential. In reality though, what it would take to get him and his cost are a concern, and I don't think any contender would take a shot at trading for him right now, unless they are borderline hoping to take a risk that pays off and make a playoff push.

spiffie
05-26-2006, 12:47 AM
In reality though, what it would take to get him and his cost are a concern, and I don't think any contender would take a shot at trading for him right now, unless they are borderline hoping to take a risk that pays off and make a playoff push.

Mr. Hendry, I have a man from Cleveland on Line 1...

StillMissOzzie
05-26-2006, 12:49 AM
With Buehrle, Garcia, Garland, Contreras, & Vasquez, and McCarthy chomping at the bit, you've gotta ask yourself:
:hawk
"Where's he gonna play?"

SMO
:gulp:

munchman33
05-26-2006, 12:52 AM
In a heart beat.

I mean, when he comes back, he'd slate really nicely right into that pen.

MrRoboto83
05-26-2006, 01:02 AM
I say get him, throw him in the bullpen as mop up. :D:........to my vomit.

samram
05-26-2006, 01:31 AM
As a pure talent, I would take Prior in a New York minute.

LuvSox
05-26-2006, 01:45 AM
Guys, our starting pitching is fine. This is just a theoretical thing. I am not at all advocating any sort of trade whatsoever. this is just a "What If" thread. I AM NOT ON DRUGS. Like I said in the original post, this would not happen in a million years. Am I more clarified now?

File this under Flubsession.

SkeetSkeetAmit
05-26-2006, 02:07 AM
I was actually thinking about this rumor from the offseason as well. If Prior gets traded in the offseason, I can see KW trading for him (like the rumor was this offseason) to get him. I know he's had injury problems, but most of his injuries have been fluke injuries. But then what he's been going through right now happens and it stinks so much. I like Mark Prior, I would love for him to be on the SOX if he was healthy, and you never know, only time can tell. That's my take on it. ANYTHING can happen with KW.

gbergman
05-26-2006, 05:12 AM
i got asked when i said trade garland to the phillies for aaron rowand if i was high and i dont smoke weed. This is just ludicras

Craig Grebeck
05-26-2006, 07:44 AM
You don't pass on Mark Prior. He is so much better than Garland it's not even funny. He's had some freak injuries, and his mechanics are very good compared to Wood. You're fooling yourself if you wouldn't take him.

jenn2080
05-26-2006, 08:05 AM
I say get him, throw him in the bullpen as mop up. :D:........to my vomit.

A bit extreme...I say hell NO. Why waste the money....so we can pay to be on the DL? Crazy! I bet there is a nice announcer job for him somewhere. Him and Wood are a waste of money...one day the Cubs will see.

PaulDrake
05-26-2006, 08:34 AM
If somehow Prior ended up on the Sox, do you think his career could turn around? I personally think Herm Schneider and Coop could work wonders with him. I know this would not happen in a million years, but this rumor this offseason made me salivate. I think Prior is an excellent pitcher but Dusty Baker screwed him up in '03. On the other hand his arm might be messed up forever though. I've always wanted to see a good K/9 guy on the Sox. I thought Vazquez was going to be that guy, but he has disappointed me on that aspect. It seems that the Sox always have good control pitchers, but never strikeout pitchers. I was always curious about this. Does starting a supposed young stud future Hall of Famer 30 times, for a grand total of 211 1/3 innings constitute screwing him up? Are today's pitchers babied because they're fragile or fragile because they're babied? I don't want Prior for a variety of reasons. If a young guy gets messed up just because he pitched 211 innings early in his career, he's just not durable over the long haul.

soxinthecity
05-26-2006, 08:35 AM
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Baby Fisk
05-26-2006, 09:12 AM
Yes, but he would cost too much for too much risk.

batmanZoSo
05-26-2006, 09:43 AM
I think a move to the south side would be his ticket to Cooperstown. They're clueless over there. How come all our pitchers are always healthy and theirs are never healthy? Would I take Prior? Yes.

palehozenychicty
05-26-2006, 09:51 AM
I think a move to the south side would be his ticket to Cooperstown. They're clueless over there. How come all our pitchers are always healthy and theirs are never healthy? Would I take Prior? Yes.

to be honest, I would take the guy. if you have a chance, you can't pass on a guy like that.

PatK
05-26-2006, 09:52 AM
I also have serious questions about whether he's been permanently messed up by Crusty Faker. If I were a GM considering Prior, I'd have to do some serious investigating before committing anything much in a trade.

You have to wonder what the Orioles knew in the offseason.

GoSox2K3
05-26-2006, 10:09 AM
You don't pass on Mark Prior. He is so much better than Garland it's not even funny. He's had some freak injuries, and his mechanics are very good compared to Wood. You're fooling yourself if you wouldn't take him.

Yeah, Prior has pitched so many innings this season, it's not even funny.

Yes, he had the freak line drive to the elbow injury last season - which he recovered from and any GM would realize that was not a "chronic" issue. But, please explain what "freak injury" has kept Prior on the shelf all spring training, all season this year, and with no mention of his return in the near future? Perhaps you feel that chronic arm issues falls into the category of freak injuries?:?:

When comparing Prior to Garland, you have to look at the whole picture, not just how good Prior is "when he's healthy". The fact is that Garland has been consistently healthy for about 5 seasons and consistently racks up 200 innings per season w/ no problems.

I guess the question of taking Prior depends on who we'd have to give up. To be honest, if it was a question of trading Garland for Prior straight up right now, I wouldn't do it because of the reliability issue - even though Prior is much better during that elusive time period Cub fans call "when he's healthy".

Ol' No. 2
05-26-2006, 01:00 PM
I was always curious about this. Does starting a supposed young stud future Hall of Famer 30 times, for a grand total of 211 1/3 innings constitute screwing him up? Are today's pitchers babied because they're fragile or fragile because they're babied? I don't want Prior for a variety of reasons. If a young guy gets messed up just because he pitched 211 innings early in his career, he's just not durable over the long haul.The difference is, you don't do that to a young pitcher in his first full year in the league. You have to build up to that many innings. It's a very rare pitcher who can do that right away, and generally not power pitchers. The Achilles' tendon problem he had that off season was not coincidental.

viagracat
05-26-2006, 01:05 PM
Any guy who spends as much time on the DL as him--no.

Chip Z'nuff
05-26-2006, 01:10 PM
That would make my year (07) if the Sox picked up Prior. If Coop can do wonders for Louiza, Jenks, & his new project Thronton, imagine the possibilities for Prior.

And yes it would be super sweet to pitch Prior in Wrigley in a Sox jersey next year.

Uncle_Patrick
05-26-2006, 01:11 PM
You have to wonder what the Orioles knew in the offseason.

They knew that Zambrano was more reliable.


I'd take Prior on the Sox at the right price. His potential is undeniable, I'd love to see what Coop would do with him. I don't know how he'd take to Ozzie's style, though. Prior seems very arrogant and sensitive. That would probably clash with Ozzie's "tell it like it is" ways. Who knows, though?

Still, given his recent history, I wouldn't give away the farm for him.

palehozenychicty
05-26-2006, 01:17 PM
They knew that Zambrano was more reliable.


I don't know how he'd take to Ozzie's style, though. Prior seems very arrogant and sensitive. That would probably clash with Ozzie's "tell it like it is" ways. Who knows, though?

Still, given his recent history, I wouldn't give away the farm for him.


Exactly. The problem is that even the incompetent flub management will want a sizeable prospect package for "their Messiah," which is why the Prior-Tejada rumors over the winter had teeth if the Sox would then take him from the Birds.

Layla
05-26-2006, 02:55 PM
No, I wouldn't take Prior.

Maybe two years ago I would have. But how often has he pitched? How do get retrain someone to get out of throwing a towel? Besides, I seriously have to wonder how much is Prior's head a problem.

I might invite him to spring training. But to actually trade or free agen? Not in a million. Way too much going on there.

ma-gaga
05-26-2006, 03:02 PM
Does starting a supposed young stud future Hall of Famer 30 times, for a grand total of 211 1/3 innings constitute screwing him up?

People have tracked how Baker/Baylor used Prior and Woods. I would argue that they effectively destroyed 4-5 years off of each of those arms by "abuse".

I think that in general, 30 games and 211 innings isn't the problem. You see that all the time without the problems that Baker/Prior have encountered.

But when you start letting your pitchers throw 120, 130 pitches per game to get their 'complete game shutouts', or 16, 17, 18+ strikeouts, that you start putting too much stress on those arms and you are taking chances.

It's not that the modern day pitcher is "babied", but the cost implications of destroying an arm is IMMENSE compared to the 1960's, 70's, or 80's. I mean, how much do 'stud' pitchers make?? $11mm a year? $12mm?? If you strain an arm to get 10 more innings a year, and maybe 2-3 more wins, is it really worth it to be paying Kerry Woods $10mm for a spot on the DL??

You have to be smart about when and how you let your pitchers throw. Baker is neither, and I would be extremely pissed off if "my team" gave him an extention...

:gulp:

sullythered
05-26-2006, 03:04 PM
You don't pass on Mark Prior. He is so much better than Garland it's not even funny. He's had some freak injuries, and his mechanics are very good compared to Wood. You're fooling yourself if you wouldn't take him.
"Better" is a relative term. He has more natural skill, yes. He has better stuff, and he knows how to pitch situations better. But he only pitches a very limited number of innings per season. What's "better" great for a third of a season, or good for a full one?

To the initial thread proposal, yes I would take Mark Prior on my team, but only at an extremely reduced cost, as he simply cannot be relied on.

twsoxfan5
05-26-2006, 03:08 PM
That would make my year (07) if the Sox picked up Prior. If Coop can do wonders for Louiza, Jenks, & his new project Thronton, imagine the possibilities for Prior.

And yes it would be super sweet to pitch Prior in Wrigley in a Sox jersey next year.

With Prior it is not a question of the way he piches, but rather how healthy he is. Coop can't do anything with an injury prone pitcher. I heard from reliable sources (at the radio station I used to work at) that his shoulder is a lot worse than everyone thinks it is. And that was this winter before anything came out about him.

miker
05-26-2006, 08:20 PM
Greg Prior...but its been years since he's played infield for us.

eastchicagosoxfan
05-26-2006, 08:53 PM
If KW and Ozzie think he's a good fit, then yes. Personally, he's as talented as they come, but I'm starting to think he's not hurt. I have no proof, but the doctors haven't said what's bothering him.

DickAllen72
05-26-2006, 10:11 PM
I haven't seen Prior since last season. Does he still have those unusually large calves? I read on one of these message boards recently that his calf muscles have mysteriously shrunk down to normal size. I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is, I think I may have an idea why, and I'd want no part of him.

RKMeibalane
05-26-2006, 11:20 PM
No. He's always hurt and whines constantly.

RadioheadRocks
05-27-2006, 12:48 AM
Maybe if we had to win a simulated game...

1 Dog
05-27-2006, 01:19 AM
I believe that some of the durability problems that we see today are the result of:

1) Pitchers throwing sliders v. curves (basically, the slider didn't catch on until the 1950s);

2) The best athletes used to go into baseball when it was the only viable pro sport. The optimal physique for a power pitcher makes for a good forward or wide receiver also;

3) From what I can tell, plenty of arms got burnt out in years past. However, their was a deeper pool of pitching talent overall in say the 1920s-1940s. At least, I assume so since their were a lot more organized teams at all levels back then (no softball). Lots of people began strengthening their arms at a young age (no pitching machines, no tee-ball). I imagine the strong went on to pitch complete games as an adult, while the weak blew out their arms by age 12.

Anyway, I think Prior's shoulder is really, really bad. The only other reasonable explanation is that he would rather make millions on the DL, rather than pitch for the Cubs. Either way, pass.

Clarkdog
05-27-2006, 09:22 AM
Besides, I seriously have to wonder how much is Prior's head a problem.

I agree. I would love for the Sox to get their hands on someone who has the talent of Prior. But I think he's soft. If he has an notion of pain, he'll shut it down.

Fuller_Schettman
05-27-2006, 01:46 PM
Prior would make a nice replacement for Politte

kevin57
05-27-2006, 02:08 PM
Maybe if we had to win a simulated game...

:rolling: