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Fenway
05-25-2006, 01:13 PM
I am simply amazed at how well the White Sox are now represented on the far north side ( Edgewater - Rogers Park ) which was always Cub territory.

The local Walgreens had far more White Sox stuff on sale than Cubs and it seems to be moving.

Also after the game last night we went to a Rogers Park bar called Duke's ( Glenwood and Morse ) and the place was covered in White Sox championship banners. I talked to a couple of die hard Cubs fans and they are completly fed up with the Flubs. For them to flop in the year after the White Sox win is too much for even the hardcores. Boston winning was bad enough for Cubs fans, but the White Sox winning was a dagger into their soul.

Barmaid says more people watching White Sox now even though they have a promotion with Bud for Cubs games.

The tide is turning, no doubt about it

sti3
05-25-2006, 01:24 PM
I see more sox gear than cubs gear on the street, but I think that's a lot because the Latino population has embraced the Sox big-time. I live in Uptown and work in Ravenswood FWIW.

RIP Simply Ray's. the best Sox bar on the northside.

Chip Z'nuff
05-25-2006, 01:25 PM
Could care less about the north side :tongue:

sti3
05-25-2006, 01:27 PM
Then why post

MarySwiss
05-25-2006, 01:33 PM
I am simply amazed at how well the White Sox are now represented on the far north side ( Edgewater - Rogers Park ) which was always Cub territory.

The local Walgreens had far more White Sox stuff on sale than Cubs and it seems to be moving.

Also after the game last night we went to a Rogers Park bar called Duke's ( Glenwood and Morse ) and the place was covered in White Sox championship banners. I talked to a couple of die hard Cubs fans and they are completly fed up with the Flubs. For them to flop in the year after the White Sox win is too much for even the hardcores. Boston winning was bad enough for Cubs fans, but the White Sox winning was a dagger into their soul.

Barmaid says more people watching White Sox now even though they have a promotion with Bud for Cubs games.

The tide is turning, no doubt about it

I noticed the same thing at Woodfield Mall, and in Skokie and Arlington Heights. Also saw a Sox flag at a house on the Northwest Side.

Fenway
05-25-2006, 01:34 PM
Could care less about the north side :tongue:

ahem they ARE the CHICAGO White Sox :tongue:

On the L this morning I just laughed at the BUD LIGHT BLEACHERS

JohnBasedowYoda
05-25-2006, 01:40 PM
I love recon work.

Chip Z'nuff
05-25-2006, 01:43 PM
ahem they ARE the CHICAGO White Sox :tongue:

On the L this morning I just laughed at the BUD LIGHT BLEACHERS

you laughed at the critically aclaimed non-retro but real bud light bleachers!

I'm just kidding around all of chicago is cool, even berwyn

miker
05-25-2006, 01:47 PM
you laughed at the critically aclaimed non-retro but real bud light bleachers!
Hey, those Bud Light bleachers are historic, just like the historic electronic message board and historic batter's-eye restaurant and the world's most historic baseball stadium!

batmanZoSo
05-25-2006, 01:54 PM
I am simply amazed at how well the White Sox are now represented on the far north side ( Edgewater - Rogers Park ) which was always Cub territory.

The local Walgreens had far more White Sox stuff on sale than Cubs and it seems to be moving.

Also after the game last night we went to a Rogers Park bar called Duke's ( Glenwood and Morse ) and the place was covered in White Sox championship banners. I talked to a couple of die hard Cubs fans and they are completly fed up with the Flubs. For them to flop in the year after the White Sox win is too much for even the hardcores. Boston winning was bad enough for Cubs fans, but the White Sox winning was a dagger into their soul.

Barmaid says more people watching White Sox now even though they have a promotion with Bud for Cubs games.

The tide is turning, no doubt about it

Yeah it is slowly but surely. This can morph into a total Sox town very easily over time if things continue as they are. To follow up a Sox championship year with another fantastic season and a complete flop on the north side is the best thing that could've happened to aid that cause. :gulp:

Fenway
05-25-2006, 01:55 PM
look at the daily Heckler

They giving the White Sox SERIOUS respect. No joke
http://www.theheckler.com/

Cuck the Fubs
05-25-2006, 02:00 PM
I noticed the same thing at Woodfield Mall, and in Skokie and Arlington Heights. Also saw a Sox flag at a house on the Northwest Side.

So far in the last 2 years, 3 Sox flags have been ripped off my house in Norridge:angry: :angry: :angry:

miker
05-25-2006, 02:08 PM
So far in the last 2 years, 3 Sox flags have been ripped off my house in Norridge:angry: :angry: :angry:
I guess that kills that old argument about violence and crime being the exclusive domain of White Sox fans...

Cuck the Fubs
05-25-2006, 02:09 PM
look at the daily Heckler

They giving the White Sox SERIOUS respect. No joke
http://www.theheckler.com/

:kneeslap: omg.....thanks for the heads up.....links sent to the FLub lovers in my E mail book!

SoxFan64
05-25-2006, 02:12 PM
I noticed the same thing at Woodfield Mall, and in Skokie and Arlington Heights. Also saw a Sox flag at a house on the Northwest Side.
I grew up in Mt Prospect -- the lone Sox family in a sea of Cubbies. There were few if any Sox features in the paper or by the community.

My brother still lives there. When the Trophy made it to Arlington Heights in Jan/Feb he got his entire family out there for a picture. He told me he had never seen that many Sox fans in NW suburbs in his life. His oldest son, age 9, was leaning towards the Cubs because everyone in school was for the northsiders. This boy LOVES baseball. His father was doing everything he could make sure he would cheer for the Sox. No such luck -- then the WS and the kid is now a Sox fan for life.

If we are going to erase the SportsVision/ Harry Carey miscues and the Channel 32 "experiment" then the next few years are critical to converting Chicago back into a Sox town.

I live in suburban DC and I let people know that I grew up in Chicago and I am a baseball fan. In the past, they immediately assumed I was a Cub fan. Now they have still say "Cubs" though not as fast. Like glacier, the town will be move to Soxdom -- albeit slowly.

We are in the "glory days" of Sox. I think I now know what it must have been like back in the 1910's prior to the Black Sox Scandal.

Could care less about the north side :tongue:
I know that the Sox are south side. I know that is their fan base. And the posting about "I don't care about the northside" is exactly the perception that must be erased if the Sox are ever going to re-take the city.

I grew up an island of Sox worship in a land of Cubs. I will match my Sox loyalty with anyone here. But there is a larger issue -- can we continue this high level of play for the next month, this season and beyond? I believe so. And if so -- then our town will return to being a Sox town like it was in the 50's and 60's.

So get ready all of the quite northside Sox fans are like spring flowers ready to bloom.

Go Sox.

spiffie
05-25-2006, 02:13 PM
Could care less about the north side :tongue:
Dear Chip Z'nuff

We don't care about you either

Sincerely,
North Side Sox Fans :tongue:

miker
05-25-2006, 02:22 PM
Dear Chip Z'nuff

We don't care about you either

Sincerely,
North Side Sox Fans :tongue:
So much for team unity! :rolleyes:

Chip Z'nuff
05-25-2006, 02:24 PM
Dear Chip Z'nuff

We don't care about you either

Sincerely,
North Side Sox Fans :tongue:

Zing!

RowanDye
05-25-2006, 02:45 PM
Did anyone else listen to the Unofficial Cubs anthem at the bottom of "theHeckler.com" link? Pretty much sums up the life of a Cubs fan...hilarious.

jenn2080
05-25-2006, 02:49 PM
Yeah it is slowly but surely. This can morph into a total Sox town very easily over time if things continue as they are. To follow up a Sox championship year with another fantastic season and a complete flop on the north side is the best thing that could've happened to aid that cause. :gulp:

I live less then a mile from Wrigley and I see alot of people wearing Sox hats.

miker
05-25-2006, 02:52 PM
I live less then a mile from Wrigley and I see alot of people wearing Sox hats.
That's got to send shivers up the spine of a fan base that blames everything on a freakin' goat!

Tekijawa
05-25-2006, 03:20 PM
I don't want to be engulfed in a sea of White Sox fans... I'd rather sit with the 14,000 people who showed up the second game of the season last year! The Casual fans will ring more money to the team, but I liked it better before the Bandwagoners came over... I liked it when I was an Island on the North West side, You can keep you heavily inebriated "baseball fan" I'd rather talk to the guy in front of me who has had season tickets for the past 6 years and Drives up from Bloomington every weekend with is friend or Grandson and not have to get up 55 times to let the overly-make-upped wannabe hottie that takes pictures of Podsednik's butt everytime he bends over in Left field, go to the Bathroom.

SoxFan64
05-25-2006, 03:33 PM
I don't want to be engulfed in a sea of White Sox fans... and not have to get up 55 times to let the overly-make-upped wannabe hottie that takes pictures of Podsednik's butt everytime he bends over in Left field, go to the Bathroom.
Two choices: 1) take a middle section seat to avoid being the crossing guard for your section or .... 2) send your tickets my way. :D:

peeonwrigley
05-25-2006, 03:43 PM
I live 10 blocks south of Wrigley. I've lived here almost exactly one year. The change over the course of that relatively short period of time has been astounding.

chidonez
05-25-2006, 03:52 PM
I live 10 blocks south of Wrigley. I've lived here almost exactly one year. The change over the course of that relatively short period of time has been astounding.

I also used to live just south of Wrigley, off of Clark. But several years ago when I lived there I noticed a surprising number of Sox fans. I sometimes would drop into Jake's Pub. And although most of Jake's patrons are Cubs fans, there was a vocal Sox contingent.

Uncle_Patrick
05-25-2006, 03:56 PM
I grew up in Mt Prospect -- the lone Sox family in a sea of Cubbies. There were few if any Sox features in the paper or by the community.

I grew up in MP, too. My old neighbors were Sox fans, but they moved when I was 9. I didn't meet another Sox fan, outside of my family, for years.

PaulDrake
05-25-2006, 04:10 PM
Like the wise man once said, "It's Deja vu all over again." As a resident OF who became a Sox fan in the Go Go era and lived in Albany Park during grammar school years this is not surprising. It all happened once before. It was not a sad and lonely experience being a Sox fan on the N or NW side in those years. When I played ball at Horner Park our yearly outing was to Comiskey Park. I even won a Nellie Fox bottle bat one year. The Sox dug themselves a big hole PR wise but the tide is turning.

Max Power
05-25-2006, 04:24 PM
Definitely seeing more Sox stuff in Evanston than ever before. Also, I'm noticing more people on the Purple Line (especially NU students) wearing Sox stuff going to/from games. These are good times.

IlliniSox4Life
05-25-2006, 05:51 PM
I don't want to be engulfed in a sea of White Sox fans... I'd rather sit with the 14,000 people who showed up the second game of the season last year! The Casual fans will ring more money to the team, but I liked it better before the Bandwagoners came over... I liked it when I was an Island on the North West side, You can keep you heavily inebriated "baseball fan" I'd rather talk to the guy in front of me who has had season tickets for the past 6 years and Drives up from Bloomington every weekend with is friend or Grandson and not have to get up 55 times to let the overly-make-upped wannabe hottie that takes pictures of Podsednik's butt everytime he bends over in Left field, go to the Bathroom.


You have 2 choices:
1) World Series Championship Team
2) 14,000 people a night

I'll take #1

SoxandtheCityTee
05-25-2006, 06:12 PM
I have friends and family who are Sox fans in Lincoln Square, North Wildwood, Arlington Heights, Park Ridge, Mount Prospect, Northbrook . . . Some have connections to the South Side (grew up there, or their parents did), some do not, some have a relative who started taking them to the ball park when they were babies and who buys them Sox jerseys and otherwise insulates them from Cubbiedom around them :wink: . This is getting easier and easier, as more of the kids and young people in the north & northwest sides and 'burbs are, or are becoming, Sox fans anyway. Success is like that.

TheKittle
05-25-2006, 06:16 PM
Every city gets behind a winner. I rarely saw Angel red outside of the Orange Curtain before 2002. When the ****ing Indians were on their run in the 90's there were more Indian fans at Anaheim Stadium than Angel fans. But since they won the 2002 WS, Angel red is everywhere, including parts of LA that were once a Dodger stronghold.

The Latino population was ignored by the Autry's (though Santa Ana, about 10 mins from Anaheim, is about 75% Latino) but Disney and now Moreno have marketed heavily to the Latino population.

vegyrex
05-25-2006, 06:56 PM
At Gurnee Mills mall I've notice an increase in the number of people wearing Sox gear.

DSpivack
05-25-2006, 10:30 PM
Growing up in Evanston in 90s (graduated HS in 2002), I'd say there was a good chunk of Sox fans around; my friends were almost evenly divided. Overall, I'd say it was 70/30.

Working at the deli counter at Treasure Island near North/Clybourn summers 2003 and 2004, and wearing my Sox hat every day, I got a lot of snide remarks from the almost completely Cub clientele; especially with what the Cubs were doing in 2003. 2004 was slightly better with the Sox being in it.

Otherwise, being mostly in Georgia the last four years I haven't noticed much.

ws05champs
05-25-2006, 10:42 PM
I've run into people who have been Cubs fans all their lives. When we talk about how poorly the Cubs are doing I always suggest that they can end the pain by becoming Sox fans. They just sheepishly shake their heads and say they just can't do it.

I think what is happening is that the people who haven't been that interested in baseball are now seeing how much fun it is to be a fan of the World Champs. And lifelong Sox fans are really showing our colors. I believe the die hard Cubs fans are doomed and will never change. Maybe there is hope for their children.

RadioheadRocks
05-25-2006, 11:16 PM
I am simply amazed at how well the White Sox are now represented on the far north side ( Edgewater - Rogers Park ) which was always Cub territory.

The local Walgreens had far more White Sox stuff on sale than Cubs and it seems to be moving.

Also after the game last night we went to a Rogers Park bar called Duke's ( Glenwood and Morse ) and the place was covered in White Sox championship banners. I talked to a couple of die hard Cubs fans and they are completly fed up with the Flubs. For them to flop in the year after the White Sox win is too much for even the hardcores. Boston winning was bad enough for Cubs fans, but the White Sox winning was a dagger into their soul.

Barmaid says more people watching White Sox now even though they have a promotion with Bud for Cubs games.

The tide is turning, no doubt about it

I will give a shout out to two Walgreens locations on the north side because they helped me out tremendously with my Sun-Times mini-baseball collection while I was back in Chicago about a week ago. After going to numerous locations near my parents' and coming up empty (all sold out!!!), I played a hunch and went to the north side. I ended up getting 8 or 9 of them from the Walgreens on Broadway and Waveland (!!!) and I was able to get AJ and Jenks at the Walgreens on Clark (just north of Tower Records). Both of the cashiers there were very friendly and most helpful.

UofCSoxFan
05-26-2006, 01:28 AM
I live less then a mile from Wrigley and I see alot of people wearing Sox hats.

That one jersey store by the Urinal that sells all the authentic cubs crap had some white sox jerseys in the WINDOW last time I was there....I nearly crapped myself.

RadioheadRocks
05-26-2006, 01:43 AM
That one jersey store by the Urinal that sells all the authentic cubs crap had some white sox jerseys in the WINDOW last time I was there....I nearly crapped myself.

FWIW, Wrigleyville Sports (southeast corner of Addison and Sheffield) has a good selection of White Sox gear, plus they were gracious enough to take part in a news article during the post-season regarding how Sox items were flying off the shelves. The one to avoid is SPORTS WORLD (southeast corner of Clark and Addison)... not only will these dillweeds not acknowledge the White Sox, the clerk there reportedly gave a curt "NO COMMENT" and hung up on the reporter who wrote the aforementioned news article last fall.

Nellie_Fox
05-26-2006, 02:28 AM
Dear Chip Z'nuff

We don't care about you either

Sincerely,
North Side Sox Fans :tongue:He said he "could care less," meaning he cares. Now, if he couldn't care less...

Nellie_Fox
05-26-2006, 02:29 AM
I've run into people who have been Cubs fans all their lives. When we talk about how poorly the Cubs are doing I always suggest that they can end the pain by becoming Sox fans. They just sheepishly shake their heads and say they just can't do it.

I think what is happening is that the people who haven't been that interested in baseball are now seeing how much fun it is to be a fan of the World Champs. And lifelong Sox fans are really showing our colors. I believe the die hard Cubs fans are doomed and will never change. Maybe there is hope for their children.If it was the other way around, I wouldn't change either. And if my children had become Cubs fans, I wouldn't have fed them.

soxruleEP
05-26-2006, 06:45 AM
look at the daily Heckler

They giving the White Sox SERIOUS respect. No joke
http://www.theheckler.com/

You're dreaming, or didn't drill down enough. Check out their Flubs series coverage. If that's serious respect, make mine vanilla please.

viagracat
05-26-2006, 11:19 AM
Here in Elgin, the Cub fans were driving me crazy with their "In Dusty We Trusty", "Sox/South Side sucks!" and other such crap as late as 2003. Then Bartman stepped up. The flak started diminishing after that. The WS championship last year and the way the 2006 season has started has shut all but the biggest die-hards up. And even then, it's not so much that it's "Cubs rule" becasue they'd look stupid saying that; it's the same old pathetic "Sux" nonsense. Pretty sad, really, but funny at the same time.:D:

We also have a number of bandwagoneers out here as well as some supposed Sox "fans" who kept it quiet for years but who have come out of the closet in the past year when things got good. To the bandwagoneers I say "Welcome!" To those who say they've always liked the Sox but hid that allegiance during the not-so-good times I also say "welcome back" but also: "What the hell were you thinking before?"

In any case the tide is turning, even out here in Cubland.

Hitmen77
05-26-2006, 11:43 AM
If it was the other way around, I wouldn't change either. And if my children had become Cubs fans, I wouldn't have fed them.

You're absolutely right. I really don't expect many life-long Cub fans or their children to change allegiance.

The great thing is that Chicago isn't that static. There's a significant core from each fan base that falls into this category of lifelong fans/family of diehard fans, but there is also:

- kids whose parents aren't really into baseball (this is what happened to me. My family has always been on the north side of town, but my parents just didn't follow baseball, so I was not indoctrinated into any team and made my own choice to follow the Sox.)

- People and their kids moving into Chicago from out of town. Chicago really does see a large influx of "new" people moving here from elsewhere. The Sox have a golden opportunity now to capture a good chunk of this part of the market.

kevin57
05-26-2006, 01:19 PM
The "transformation" on the north side has been astonishing.

During the ALDS I had to run a lot of errands all around the north side. I did not see a single flag, cap, sign, nothing except one sign outside one bar that said, "Go Sox."

Now when I happen to be travelling in those same precincts I see lots of Sox gear and Sox pride.

nlentz88
05-26-2006, 02:13 PM
Also after the game last night we went to a Rogers Park bar called Duke's ( Glenwood and Morse ) and the place was covered in White Sox championship banners.

Duke's rules! I love dive bars. I actually live just a couple of blocks from there.

It's still pretty tough being a Sox fan on the north side. If the Cubs and Sox are both playing at the same time it can be difficult convincing bartenders to show the Sox on at least one TV. It's gotten better since October 06, but I've personally experienced quite a bit of anti-Sox sentiment this season.

Soxfanspcu11
05-26-2006, 02:35 PM
Duke's rules! I love dive bars. I actually live just a couple of blocks from there.

It's still pretty tough being a Sox fan on the north side. If the Cubs and Sox are both playing at the same time it can be difficult convincing bartenders to show the Sox on at least one TV. It's gotten better since October 06, but I've personally experienced quite a bit of anti-Sox sentiment this season.


It will get A LOT better after the repeat!!! :tongue:

areilly
05-26-2006, 02:50 PM
RIP Simply Ray's. the best Sox bar on the northside.

YES!!!

I used to live on Wilson and this was THE bar my friends and I called home. Great food, great specials, and Ray was a total character. I ran into one of the kitchen guys last winter and he gave me the recipe for the Tang-a-Que sauce...mmmm...Tang-a-Que Beef and a White Sox Winner.

What a great place that was.

cubhater
05-27-2006, 04:37 AM
It's still pretty tough being a Sox fan on the north side. If the Cubs and Sox are both playing at the same time it can be difficult convincing bartenders to show the Sox on at least one TV. It's gotten better since October 06, but I've personally experienced quite a bit of anti-Sox sentiment this season.

Complain to mangement and tell them you'll patronize the place down the block. A smart business owner doesn't want to lose business.

Besides, who wants to watch the Cubs this year unless the person enjoys train wrecks?:cool:

oldcomiskey
05-27-2006, 07:44 AM
Yeah it is slowly but surely. This can morph into a total Sox town very easily over time if things continue as they are. To follow up a Sox championship year with another fantastic season and a complete flop on the north side is the best thing that could've happened to aid that cause. :gulp:
The only thing is be careful what you wish for--it just migyht come true. Im reminded of a story told by WSM Nashville disc jockry Ralph Emery in the 70s when country music was struggling. Another jock came over to him and said Nashville has got to do something to become more popular--then 15 years later said he wished he had never said it because the music has lost its soul. The same thing could happen at Comiskey if all the north siders convert

whitesoxwilkes
05-27-2006, 09:03 AM
FWIW, Wrigleyville Sports (southeast corner of Addison and Sheffield) has a good selection of White Sox gear, plus they were gracious enough to take part in a news article during the post-season regarding how Sox items were flying off the shelves. The one to avoid is SPORTS WORLD (southeast corner of Clark and Addison)... not only will these dillweeds not acknowledge the White Sox, the clerk there reportedly gave a curt "NO COMMENT" and hung up on the reporter who wrote the aforementioned news article last fall.
They're super-friendly at Wrigleyville Sports. I went in there during March Madness a couple years ago to buy a 1959 hat and the guy behind the counter was great. Talked baseball with him for a while. Quite a difference from the generally surly treatment I've gotten at Grandstand.

Reni
05-27-2006, 09:16 AM
ahem they ARE the CHICAGO White Sox :tongue:

On the L this morning I just laughed at the BUD LIGHT BLEACHERS

haha! I know.....I pass Wrigley when I take the L to work and always laugh at that......

I live in Rogers Park and my husband and have noticed a good percentage of Sox gear on people since well before the World Series. On the day of the Crosstown Classic, people were definitely sporting colors all over town, and I defnitely saw more Sox stuff up here than Flubs. At my daughter's school the Sox fans outnumber the Flubs fans as well.

Someone mentioned hope for the children and this is where the future lies for being a Sox town. My daughter was 11 last fall and watched with wide eyed fascination and excitement as the White Sox won the Series. Before that she was a casual fan.....took her to Cardinals games growing up in STL and Sox games after moving here. She is now a Sox fanatic. Her room is covered with pictures of Paul Konerko and other Sox swag......I never thought my daughter would turn into a huge baseball fan. I am happy. When you are that age and you witness something like that, you are a fan for life. The Cardinals winning the World Series in 82 is still a defining moment in my life. So, as these kids grow up, the Sox fan base will grow grow grow!

My favorite story about my daughter and baseball is when we went to one of those last Cleveland games last year. It was the one the night before Crede's big home run. While we lost the game, it was damn exciting. Early on the game was slow, and Em was being a very typical 11 year old, "oh gosh, is this supposed to be fun?" blah blah blah.......By the 7th inning the place was jumping, and the atmosphere was electric. My husband I look over at her with her hands clasped, jumping up and down, screaming her little head off and he said to her, "Em, are you having fun yet?" and she just looked at him with her mouth hanging open and her eyes wide and nodded her head furiously...... we looked at each other with deep satisfaction. And as we popped a bottle of champagne after the Game 4 WS win, my husband and I said, "look at her.....Sox fan for life." :gulp:

soxgirl617
05-27-2006, 09:37 AM
Why don't we stop thinking of the Sox as a South Side team, and think of it as a CHICAGO team?! Who cares where the fans live? I know that goes against the prevailing wisdom, but it would be nice to focus on the team, and not the location. There's been too much attention given to North Side vs. South Side. The focus should be on Sox vs. Cubs, which is not the same thing. (Although this year the Cubs are so bad, and the Sox are so good, that I just don't care about the Cubs.)

For what it's worth, I've lived in the north suburbs and now the North Side, and there have always been Sox fans around. There are more now, though, which I love. I still smile to myself whenever I see someone in a Sox cap.

The Critic
05-27-2006, 09:44 AM
They're super-friendly at Wrigleyville Sports. I went in there during March Madness a couple years ago to buy a 1959 hat and the guy behind the counter was great. Talked baseball with him for a while. Quite a difference from the generally surly treatment I've gotten at Grandstand.
Sadly, I agree with this completely.
The times I've been in Wrigleyville Sports, the people there are very nice.
At Grandstand, I get the "what the hell do YOU want?" vibe every single time.
Maybe it's just me?
In any event, it's that sour treatment that keeps me away from Grandstand.

Martinigirl
05-27-2006, 09:59 AM
I lived in Wrigleyville for years and I never had a problem asking for any bar/restaurant to turn on a Sox game. They always turned it on for me and I always cheered for my team, even if I was the only one is the establishment doing so (much to the amusement of my friends).

Now they may have just been being nice, because I am a girl, and there is still a part of a lot of men that are fascinated by any woman, who likes sports and who doesn't look manly.

If anything, I always had a blast watching games in various places on the North side, because not only is my team superior to their's, but in most cases, my knowledge on the subject of baseball, and actually most things ;) , is greater than their's as well.

kninchicago
05-27-2006, 10:11 AM
I used to live in Edgewater about two years ago, and I never really noticed any preference towards Sox or Cubs. I honestly didn't notice too many people wearing baseball attire in general. My favorite bar up there just hung up a Cubs sign recently though, however it is right in front of the bathrooms way in the back of the place. My friends and I are on good terms with the staff though and if we were to go watch a game there I'm sure they'd change it for us.

I am also moving back to Edgewater July 1, can't wait to get back up to my favorite Chicago neighborhood. Any bar recommendations for games would be great.

SouthSide_HitMen
05-27-2006, 10:36 AM
And if my children had become Cubs fans, I wouldn't have fed them.

Now they have laws prohibiting this. :rolleyes:

kevin57
05-27-2006, 01:16 PM
Why don't we stop thinking of the Sox as a South Side team, and think of it as a CHICAGO team?! Who cares where the fans live? I know that goes against the prevailing wisdom, but it would be nice to focus on the team, and not the location.

:worship:

miker
05-27-2006, 03:51 PM
Why don't we stop thinking of the Sox as a South Side team, and think of it as a CHICAGO team?! Who cares where the fans live? I know that goes against the prevailing wisdom, but it would be nice to focus on the team, and not the location. There's been too much attention given to North Side vs. South Side. The focus should be on Sox vs. Cubs, which is not the same thing.
That's is very admirable of you to think that way, but unfortunately millions of people from the snotty rich on the Gold Coast and north shore to Federal judges to real estate agents to radio talk show hosts think that anything south of Madison Street is a barren wasteland populated by felons and extras from a Mad Max movie and they gladly broadcast that point to anyone who will listen.

When they change their opinion about the South Side and the White Sox, I'll consider changing my opinion about them.

soxgirl617
05-28-2006, 03:33 PM
That's is very admirable of you to think that way, but unfortunately millions of people from the snotty rich on the Gold Coast and north shore to Federal judges to real estate agents to radio talk show hosts think that anything south of Madison Street is a barren wasteland populated by felons and extras from a Mad Max movie and they gladly broadcast that point to anyone who will listen.

When they change their opinion about the South Side and the White Sox, I'll consider changing my opinion about them.

Wow, that sounds really defensive. Besides, my point was that we don't need to emphasize North Side v. South Side when we're talking about the Sox. Can't we all just get along?! :wink:

MarySwiss
05-28-2006, 04:00 PM
Wow, that sounds really defensive. Besides, my point was that we don't need to emphasize North Side v. South Side when we're talking about the Sox. Can't we all just get along?! :wink:

Your point is well taken. However, in my experience, North Side Cub fans seem to emphasize this way more often than do North Side Sox fans. Or South Side Sox fans, for that matter.

Case in Point: About 15 years ago, Mr.MarySwiss's cousin married a girl from Brighton Park, and one of her aunts threw a shower. All of the Mr.'s Northwest Side aunts and cousins were in a tizzy about going into "that neighborhood." I finally :rolleyes: and said, "I'll drive." It was almost like leading a wagon train. They were astonished to find that Brighton Park looked a whole lot like the Northwest Side. Who knew!?!

I know I've been gone awhile, but flash ahead to 2006. I was at a party in Aurora and got into an argument with a Cub fan. Guess what was the first thing he brought up? Crappy Sox neighborhood. They really seem to believe this!

My point is that, for the most part, Sox fans--be they North Side or South Side--are far less likely to fixate on the "NS/SS, which side sucks most" debate than are Cub fans.

Meanwhile, Miker needs to lighten up. Not everybody on the North Side/North Shore are Cub fans. Certainly not "millions of people."

bigfoot
05-28-2006, 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nellie_Fox
And if my children had become Cubs fans, I wouldn't have fed them.


Now they have laws prohibiting this. :rolleyes:


Sadly, there are no laws currently on the books prohibiting children from becoming Cub fans. Most children do grow up, eventually.:D:

Hitmen77
05-28-2006, 04:46 PM
Your point is well taken. However, in my experience, North Side Cub fans seem to emphasize this way more often than do North Side Sox fans. Or South Side Sox fans, for that matter.

Case in Point: About 15 years ago, Mr.MarySwiss's cousin married a girl from Brighton Park, and one of her aunts threw a shower. All of the Mr.'s Northwest Side aunts and cousins were in a tizzy about going into "that neighborhood." I finally :rolleyes: and said, "I'll drive." It was almost like leading a wagon train. They were astonished to find that Brighton Park looked a whole lot like the Northwest Side. Who knew!?!

I know I've been gone awhile, but flash ahead to 2006. I was at a party in Aurora and got into an argument with a Cub fan. Guess what was the first thing he brought up? Crappy Sox neighborhood. They really seem to believe this!

My point is that, for the most part, Sox fans--be they North Side or South Side--are far less likely to fixate on the "NS/SS, which side sucks most" debate than are Cub fans.

Meanwhile, Miker needs to lighten up. Not everybody on the North Side/North Shore are Cub fans. Certainly not "millions of people."

Yeah, I grew up in the NW suburbs and I have to say that there are ALOT of people there who really think that anything to the south is a bad area. Seriously, some of these people are surprised to hear that Orland Park is a nice area "isn't that on the south side?":rolleyes:

My experience back then was that being a Sox fan was equivalent to rooting for an out of town team and that Sox suck and south side sucks were one and the same. This was 20+ years ago though, I can't speak to what it's like to be a Sox fan there now. I'd imagine it's 100x better now that we've won the trophy.

MarySwiss
05-28-2006, 05:48 PM
My experience back then was that being a Sox fan was equivalent to rooting for an out of town team and that Sox suck and south side sucks were one and the same. This was 20+ years ago though, I can't speak to what it's like to be a Sox fan there now. I'd imagine it's 100x better now that we've won the trophy.

IMO, not as much as you would think, although I am basing this on one encounter with one lame Cubs fan in Aurora. (I'd love to hear from other Sox fans in this regard.) I think that casual fans are drifting over to the "one true faith," but diehards are in denial, clinging to their beliefs that the South Side of Chicago is the "baddest" part of town. Fools. Never has been, never will be.

SoxFan64
05-28-2006, 05:53 PM
My experience back then was that being a Sox fan was equivalent to rooting for an out of town team and that Sox suck and south side sucks were one and the same. This was 20+ years ago though, I can't speak to what it's like to be a Sox fan there now. I'd imagine it's 100x better now that we've won the trophy.

Hitman,

Based on your handle and the fact that you grew up in the NW suburbs as a Sox leads me to believe we are around the same age and have a similar experience. (BTW, the 77 Hitman reminds me of one of my favorite summers kicking back and watching the Sox at Comiskey.)

I grew up in Mt Prospect and yes there were no Sox fans in town -- that I knew of. My family was it. As I posted earlier in this thread, my brother still lives in MP and he was amazed at the number of Sox fans in the area now that we have won.

I know of several Sox fans in the NW suburbs and if you take the time to ask them where they grew up it is almost always the south side or south / sw suburbs.

Frankfan4life
05-28-2006, 06:10 PM
We also have a number of bandwagoneers out here as well as some supposed Sox "fans" who kept it quiet for years but who have come out of the closet in the past year when things got good. To the bandwagoneers I say "Welcome!" To those who say they've always liked the Sox but hid that allegiance during the not-so-good times I also say "welcome back" but also: "What the hell were you thinking before?"

In any case the tide is turning, even out here in Cubland.I agree that many Sox fans were "closeted" until the World Series victory. Unlike being a cubsfan, being a Sox fan was not regarded as "cool." As we saw during the World Series parade, Sox fans are now ready and willing to come out of the closet and finally show their Sox Pride. And I also welcome that!

SoxFan64
05-28-2006, 06:19 PM
unfortunately millions of people from the snotty rich on the Gold Coast and north shore to Federal judges to real estate agents to radio talk show hosts think that anything south of Madison Street is a barren wasteland populated by felons and extras from a Mad Max movie and they gladly broadcast that point to anyone who will listen.

When they change their opinion about the South Side and the White Sox, I'll consider changing my opinion about them.

Miker,

Sounds like you have spend too much time on the north side with the wrong folks. My experience is quite different; I don't see that. But then I don't live in Chicago anymore.

I will let you in on a northside secret Miker -- most northsiders (and most Chicagoans) do know follow baseball to the degree that you and I do. And therefore, they really don't have a strong opinion about the Sox (or the Cubs).

Are there some northsiders who look at the southside as extras to a Mad Max movie? Probably, but then you are assuming they have seen the movie. But yes sadly there are northsiders who look down on the southsiders. As a native northsider, I walked away from those folks. They usually had other faults as well.

There are also northsiders that have no opinion about the southside.

Conversely, there are southsiders who dream of moving to the northside. And there are southsiders who hurl barbs at the northsiders for the mere fact that they grew up north of Madison.

But really I have seen only a few people who -- on either side of Madison -- who instinctively reject people from the other side of town. I hope you are not one of them.

Let's focus on what binds us together -- the White Sox.

This town is on the verge of becoming a Sox town again. Something it was in 50's and 60's -- at least that is what my dad told me. (And I believed him.)

Let's Go White Sox!!

PS: Miker, news flash .... millions of people do not live in the Gold Coast; otherwise those who could afford to move would find less crowded areas. <vbg>

RealMenWearBlack
05-28-2006, 06:59 PM
I agree that many Sox fans were "closeted" until the World Series victory. Unlike being a cubsfan, being a Sox fan was not regarded as "cool." As we saw during the World Series parade, Sox fans are now ready and willing to come out of the closet and finally show their Sox Pride. And I also welcome that!

I know we should be able to accept all of these "closeted" fans, but the whole thing kind of pisses me off. Most of my friends at school made fun of me for being a Sox fan. I stuck with the Sox through the 2003 season when everyone seemed to be going Cub crazy. Now that we've seen our dreams come true, some of the same people that made fun of me or didn't defend me are Sox fans. :rolleyes: What I don't mind from these people is when they say they watch more Sox games now because the Cubs are so terrible, even though they're still Cubs fans.

SweetnesSox
05-29-2006, 12:43 AM
I'm from Glenview and I wouldn't be caught dead south of peterson!

more north-shore stereotyping...

getonbckthr
05-29-2006, 01:02 AM
I noticed the same thing at Woodfield Mall, and in Skokie and Arlington Heights. Also saw a Sox flag at a house on the Northwest Side.
If it was a yellow house next to a blue house then it was my house.

PaulDrake
05-29-2006, 10:26 AM
.

Let's focus on what binds us together -- the White Sox.

This town is on the verge of becoming a Sox town again. Something it was in 50's and 60's -- at least that is what my dad told me. (And I believed him.)

Your dad was right.

HomeFish
05-29-2006, 11:15 AM
Having grown up on the Northwest Side, I can definately vouch for the fact that the South Side is generally seen (or was seen) as a place that is universally run-down and crime infested. That's what I grew up believing, in fact. It wasn't until I became a Sox fan that I learned the truth, and I'm grateful for that.

Frankfan4life
05-29-2006, 09:32 PM
I know we should be able to accept all of these "closeted" fans, but the whole thing kind of pisses me off. Most of my friends at school made fun of me for being a Sox fan. I stuck with the Sox through the 2003 season when everyone seemed to be going Cub crazy. Now that we've seen our dreams come true, some of the same people that made fun of me or didn't defend me are Sox fans. :rolleyes: What I don't mind from these people is when they say they watch more Sox games now because the Cubs are so terrible, even though they're still Cubs fans.Most people don't like feeling set apart (or to put it in the vernacular "feeling like the Lone Ranger"). The media added to that feeling with their constant harping about the poor attendance and intimating that "nobody" cares about the Sox. People like us didn't care what the media or other people thought. We just enjoyed seeing the Sox play baseball, but a lot of people on the borderline decided not to cross over and declare themselves even though deep down they liked the Sox. I blame the media a lot for making it difficult for these fans to be proud of being Sox fans.

Wsoxmike59
05-29-2006, 10:11 PM
Case in Point: About 15 years ago, Mr.MarySwiss's cousin married a girl from Brighton Park, and one of her aunts threw a shower. All of the Mr.'s Northwest Side aunts and cousins were in a tizzy about going into "that neighborhood." I finally :rolleyes: and said, "I'll drive." It was almost like leading a wagon train. They were astonished to find that Brighton Park looked a whole lot like the Northwest Side. Who knew!?!

I know I've been gone awhile, but flash ahead to 2006. I was at a party in Aurora and got into an argument with a Cub fan. Guess what was the first thing he brought up? Crappy Sox neighborhood. They really seem to believe this!



"But I never saw the good side of the city til I hitched a ride on the River Boat Queen....Big Wheel Keep On Turning...Proud Mary Keep On Burnin'"....J.C. Fogerty

WTG MarySwiss.! :D:

hsnterprize
05-29-2006, 10:14 PM
Most people don't like feeling set apart (or to put it in the vernacular "feeling like the Lone Ranger"). The media added to that feeling with their constant harping about the poor attendance and intimating that "nobody" cares about the Sox. People like us didn't care what the media or other people thought. We just enjoyed seeing the Sox play baseball, but a lot of people on the borderline decided not to cross over and declare themselves even though deep down they liked the Sox. I blame the media a lot for making it difficult for these fans to be proud of being Sox fans.I'm with you on "blaming the media". It basically boils down to this...if the media tells you something's cool, people are going to gravitate towards it simply because the media says so. For decades, the press overall has said, "The Cubs are cool, the Sox aren't.", and too many people over the years have followed that logic like brainless lemmings. Now, we all know the Cubs' popularity didn't come as simply as that...the Sox didn't exactly help themselves when they had the chances until the past few years. Still, as long as there is a Cub-dominant press in this city, the Sox will still have to "keep on keeping on" until they're so far ahead of the Cubs the Tribune and anyone associated with them will have no choice but to concede and actually tell the truth for once. BTW...that "truth" is that popularity and lasting success only happen ON THE FIELD, but from the public relations office.

Grzegorz
05-30-2006, 04:47 AM
I'm with you on "blaming the media". It basically boils down to this...if the media tells you something's cool, people are going to gravitate towards it simply because the media says so.

No, people are willing to be led by the media because they're stupid.

The cubs own the media, cornered the "whoa is me I am a lovable loser" market, and their most radical fans openly endorse class warfare (northside affluent/good, southside blue collar/bad).

Ignore the cubs and their rabid fans; nothing roils a person more than refusing to acknowledge their existence.

LongLiveFisk
05-30-2006, 08:22 AM
Sadly, I agree with this completely.
The times I've been in Wrigleyville Sports, the people there are very nice.
At Grandstand, I get the "what the hell do YOU want?" vibe every single time.
Maybe it's just me?
In any event, it's that sour treatment that keeps me away from Grandstand.


Nope, not just you. Aside from one of the ladies who has cashiered at Grandstand, I find the atmosphere to be not too friendly there. And I'm about as easy-going as a person can get. :cool:

MeteorsSox4367
05-30-2006, 09:10 AM
Just a couple of thoughts:

1. For all the people who talked about the unfriendliness at Grandstand, I'm with you. The high school I work at down 35th Street has fundraisers every year. And each year, we ask local businesses for donations of cash or items. Grandstand absolutely refuses to even give us a gift certificate. IMO, that's not good business. I've heard they turn down pretty much everyone for donations.

2. Thanks, MarySwiss for mentioning Brighton Park. That's the 'hood I grew up in. It was great because it was blue-collar and just 15 minutes from Comiskey. God, I loved that neighborhood.

3. Sox fans come from all over the city. My Dad grew up and lived on the NW Side until he married a nice Polack girl from Archer and California. Despite growing up north of Madison Street, he's a diehard Sox fan and passed his team on to his son (thank God), while his daughter and her family root for the minor league team on the North Side.

Thanks and Go Sox!!!

North Sox Sider
05-30-2006, 09:30 AM
Well I live about a mile south of Wrigley and I must admit I havent been hasseled once this year when I am wearing my Sox gear. I am surprised a little bit but what in the world can they say....not a thing. I have noticed another trend. A couple of my friends have now told me that they will not attend a cubs game until they reach .500 baseball or better. So what does that mean at Wrigley? More of the real fans will not be going to Wrigley which opens the door for more phonies and tourists. You would think these fans would learn something but they averaged 41,000 people for the past 4 games. Will they ever learn??

miker
05-30-2006, 10:47 AM
Meanwhile, Miker needs to lighten up. Not everybody on the North Side/North Shore are Cub fans. Certainly not "millions of people."
Okay, maybe I did embellish my story slightly...:redface:

Cellview22
05-30-2006, 11:13 AM
I've only been inside Grandstand about a dozen or so times, but they've always been friendly with me. I bought a $20 hat, brought it home and realized I didn't like it that much and should've chosen something else.

Two days later, I brought it back, the guy at that cashier said "no problem, take your time looking for another hat". I decided on the navy blue '83 hat which was $29. When I brought it up to the counter, the guy said 'don't worry about the cost difference, have a great weekend buddy'. Couldn't have been more friendly.