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soxtalker
05-23-2006, 09:52 AM
When KW was commenting about Jeff Nelson, I noticed that he also mentioned something about the defense:


"I'm not happy with the way we've played defensively, and I'm not happy with the way we pitched out of the bullpen. So unless some things start to change, we will take aggressive measures to correct them."


taken from Tribune article Nelson on way to help bullpen (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-060522soxbits,1,5378860.story?coll=cs-whitesox-headlines)

Nelson is an example of what he's doing to shore up the bullpen, but what sorts of things could he do for defense?

TheOldRoman
05-23-2006, 10:16 AM
I talked about this in the postgame thread. Defense does slump, and our is slumping right now. Every one of our defensive players is good at worst. Crede, Uribe, Iguchi, Dye, and Anderson are great. Uribe, in particular, has not been himself lately. Crede has also made a handful of errors lately (not including the ball hit in the 8th inning Sunday by Pierre. Crede couldn't grab it, and Uribe had no chance to throw him out afterwards). However, they will get out of it. We have one of the best defensive clubs in baseball. Making errors is always frustrating, but there is no club I would rather have behind a pitcher come playoff times.

There is nothing to address. Ozuna is a reserve, and he has given us more offensively than he has taken away with defense. Scotty will be in left for every playoff game, so that isn't a concern of mine.

samram
05-23-2006, 10:16 AM
I'm not sure what he can do with the defense. Sure, Uribe's play arugably cost them the game, but he makes that play 99.9% of the time and most of the starters are very solid fielders. I think the catchers are a little weak in throwing out runners, but the pitching staff is responsible in some part for that. The biggest weakness on D is that the backups aren't very good at it. Pablo is awful in the outfield, Mack is a below average CF'er, and Gload isn't very good in the outfield either.

I can think of only two things when he talks about aggressive measures are:

1. Having more drills, etc., when the guys would normally have free time; and

2. Replacing Uribe and letting Cintron play more there.

Like I said, though, I think this team is pretty good defensively.

Edit: Now that I reread the quote, I think the aggressive measures comment refer to the bullpen's lack of performance.

soxtalker
05-23-2006, 11:43 AM
I'd always thought that defense was one of our strengths, also, so that's why I took note of the statement. The Cintron - Uribe switch was the only thing that I could think of, though I hadn't thought that Uribe's defense was suffering too badly (until Sunday's miscue).

viagracat
05-23-2006, 12:09 PM
Defensive errors are the most obvious bad plays. A play like the botched double play the other day is more glaring to most fans than someone lunging at a low, outside pitch for strike three with two outs and the bases loaded, although fundamentally that's at least equally as bad, IMO. So the spotlight will be turned brightly on the unfortunate guy who makes a bad error (wasn't even technically an error in this case since you can't assume the double play) that arguably decides a game, as was the case with Uribe.

Defensively the Sox have been very good for the most part the past couple of seasons. So when they have a bad day on the field, that also sticks out more.

And of course, blowing a game to the Cubs (or some other half-assed team) due to defensive or fundamental boo-boos will also get people pissed off. Sometimes the other team wins the game, other times your team lost the game. There's a difference, as was the case on Sunday.

Uribe will get over it. Probably already has. Yesterday's great win will dull any leftover frustration from Sunday.

Tragg
05-23-2006, 12:13 PM
Juan made two sensational plays in the 9th inning of game 4 to lock up the WS.

He also made a bad error in the 14th in game 3, that extended the inning.

Anyway, his great players seem to overcome his miscues, although yall are seeing it day to day and I don't.

rightsox
05-23-2006, 12:18 PM
Now that I reread the quote, I think the aggressive measures comment refer to the bullpen's lack of performance.

And how. I like what I've seen lately from Thornton, McCarthy, and Jenks, who's had that nasty, nasty curveball lately.

Everyone else (even Cotts and Politte) give me a nervous tick when they pitch. I think they'll calm down. In Coop I trust.

kevingrt
05-23-2006, 12:33 PM
Just look at Pablo's play in the 10th in LF, that was UUGLIE

QCIASOXFAN
05-23-2006, 12:34 PM
Just look at Pablo's play in the 10th in LF, that was UUGLIE Would have been a lot uglier if he hadn't redeemed himself and we would have lost.

Vernam
05-23-2006, 12:36 PM
Just look at Pablo's play in the 10th in LF, that was UUGLIEC'mon, we've got to Let Pablo Be Pablo. Take the good with the bad, IOW. He's our own version of Manny Ramirez, minus 40 or so homers and 140 RBI. Otherwise, they're just the same. Butchering routine plays in the outfield and redeeming himself with clutch late-inning hits? That's just Pablo being Pablo. :redneck

Vernam

hawkjt
05-23-2006, 12:37 PM
heard that Jon Duwane guy from stats inc. on the Score today and he was talking about a stat they keep on botched doubleplays.

Last year the sox lead mlb with fewest botched doubleplays at 7.

So far this year they are among the worst with 6 already.

That confirms that our infield defense has slipped a little. Tad has had a few problems with the db throw also.

Just a slump in my book and nothing to go crazy over. Glad we have Alex to throw out there for as many games as needed.

kenny is ever watchful, clearly and nothing escapes his eagle eye. And the players know it.

Frater Perdurabo
05-23-2006, 01:23 PM
The Sox starters also happen to be their best defensive players at their positions. Uribe may make aggressive errors and may have the occasional throw get away from him, but he makes up for that by beating out runners with his cannon arm. Would we rather have Royce Clayton's superior fielding percentage? :rolleyes:

Anderson is better than Mackoviak in center, even though both have a penchant for hitting late, game-tying homers. :smile:

Crede, like Uribe, makes errors of aggressiveness. He's better than any other option at the hot corner, unless the Yankees are willing to send A-Rod and cash...

Dye is above-average. Pods is average, but who else can lead off? Paulie is fine, but who hits cleanup? Iguchi is fine. AJ and Widger aren't great, but they get the job done and overcome their defensive limitations in other ways. Unless the team is entirely reconstructed, there's really no way to "upgrade" the defense. As was pointed out, it may just be going though a slump. Slumps come to an end. Let's get off the ledge.

kwolf68
05-23-2006, 01:25 PM
the defense will pick up. These are great players here...Im not worried about Juan or Joe...they'll be fine.

Vince
05-23-2006, 01:27 PM
Our team has a defensive efficiency of .72, which is #2 in the American League. I think it is a little early to be pushing the defense panic button!

(#1 is the Tigers, for the curious)

TheOldRoman
05-23-2006, 01:38 PM
The Sox starters also happen to be their best defensive players at their positions. Uribe may make aggressive errors and may have the occasional throw get away from him, but he makes up for that by beating out runners with his cannon arm. Would we rather have Royce Clayton's superior fielding percentage? :rolleyes:

Anderson is better than Mackoviak in center, even though both have a penchant for hitting late, game-tying homers. :smile:

Crede, like Uribe, makes errors of aggressiveness. He's better than any other option at the hot corner, unless the Yankees are willing to send A-Rod and cash...

Dye is above-average. Pods is average, but who else can lead off? Paulie is fine, but who hits cleanup? Iguchi is fine. AJ and Widger aren't great, but they get the job done and overcome their defensive limitations in other ways. Unless the team is entirely reconstructed, there's really no way to "upgrade" the defense. As was pointed out, it may just be going though a slump. Slumps come to an end. Let's get off the ledge. A few comments:
1. I would much rather have Crede than A-Rod. Yes, I know the numbers A-Rod puts up. However, Crede is better defensively, clutch as all hell, and A-Rod is 0-for-Clutch.
2. Dye is way above average in right. He is a former gold glover (who earned the award, didn't get it on media hype), and he showed us that after his slow start in the field last year. Scotty is probably a little above average in LF. He isn't great, and his play aint pretty, but he gets there for the most part. Konerko has poor range, but, as Hawk would say, he can pick 'em with the best of them.

Our defense is fine. Any upgrades we could make (in theory) would be minimal.

soxtalker
05-23-2006, 02:14 PM
heard that Jon Duwane guy from stats inc. on the Score today and he was talking about a stat they keep on botched doubleplays.

Last year the sox lead mlb with fewest botched doubleplays at 7.

So far this year they are among the worst with 6 already.

That confirms that our infield defense has slipped a little. Tad has had a few problems with the db throw also.

Just a slump in my book and nothing to go crazy over. Glad we have Alex to throw out there for as many games as needed.

kenny is ever watchful, clearly and nothing escapes his eagle eye. And the players know it.

Was Duwane able to break it down by position? (Might be tough to do simply by stats.) I can't see KW deciding to sit Taguchi. Again, Cintron for Uribe is the only obvious scenario -- and that might be driven more by batting average.

TheVulture
05-23-2006, 11:14 PM
Iguchi's fine at secondbase?

Iguchi's ****ing Yoda

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WSox8404
05-23-2006, 11:51 PM
When KW was commenting about Jeff Nelson, I noticed that he also mentioned something about the defense:



taken from Tribune article Nelson on way to help bullpen (http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-060522soxbits,1,5378860.story?coll=cs-whitesox-headlines)

Nelson is an example of what he's doing to shore up the bullpen, but what sorts of things could he do for defense?
I am telling you I love Kenny. He will never stand pat and hope things get better. If our bullpen continues to flail away and stink up the place from time to time, I KNOW Kenny will get something done to correct it. He, by far, is the best GM in the game right now.