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California Sox
05-22-2006, 11:37 PM
Going to miss Montero. Lotta memories.

Meanwhile:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060522&content_id=1466517&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

knocko94
05-22-2006, 11:41 PM
"He threw the ball great [Sunday]," said Williams of Nelson, who he observed in person during his weekend trip to watch Triple-A Charlotte. "He's coming."

When pressed on the "he's coming" part of the statement, Williams continued.
"Stay tuned," Williams said. "I'll talk more about that [Tuesday]."



"I know this, I've watched games, probably four to five games per day, including our game, and there still isn't a guy who has a better breaking ball in the league than Nelson has to get tough right-hand hitters out. He brings experience, as somebody that can go in the back part of the bullpen."

I always thought Jeff Nelson was a bad man, I really hope he helps us out.

Lip Man 1
05-22-2006, 11:54 PM
Works for me.

Lip

JB98
05-22-2006, 11:55 PM
Remember, Jeff Nelson owns Frank. Can we get Nelson here tomorrow?

Lip Man 1
05-23-2006, 12:04 AM
Assuming Nelson is still effective you wonder if Kenny then goes out and makes a deal in late June or July for another reliable arm. Personally I hope so.

Lip

paciorek1983
05-23-2006, 12:19 AM
Cheese-stache to the rescue!!:smile:


http://www.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_119704.jpg

Nard
05-23-2006, 12:19 AM
This guy looks like a KKK grand wizard.

TomParrish79
05-23-2006, 12:24 AM
Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!!!!!!

peeonwrigley
05-23-2006, 12:32 AM
Kenny went to Charlotte over the weekend?

Didn't he know the most important series of the season was last weekend?

Oh.... that was the other team's most important series.

kittle42
05-23-2006, 12:32 AM
Assuming Nelson is still effective

That's a big "if," but he couldn't be much worse than some of the crap the Sox are rolling out there right now.

samram
05-23-2006, 12:45 AM
Kenny went to Charlotte over the weekend?

Didn't he know the most important series of the season was last weekend?

Oh.... that was the other team's most important series.

I can't blame him. It was really nice here this past weekend. Plus, I'm sure he wanted to check out the NASCAR race.:D:

Anyway, unless things suddenly come together in the pen, this is not KW's last move.

Rudy Law
05-23-2006, 01:29 AM
Off the subject....I love this quote by Paul konerko about the Cubs Sox series

"This series is like going to Las Vegas," Konerko said. "It's great for two or three days, but then you just want to get it over with and get the [heck] out."

Erik The Red
05-23-2006, 01:38 AM
Assuming Nelson is still effective you wonder if Kenny then goes out and makes a deal in late June or July for another reliable arm. Personally I hope so.

Lip
You can never have too much pitching.

chidonez
05-23-2006, 01:59 AM
For now, I'm just going to sit back and see what happens. I remember when Jeff Nelson was lights out, but I also remember what relegated him to the minors. Let's hope Coop can perform some magic. I'm hopeful, I really am. We've got a great staff overall, I think.

KRS1
05-23-2006, 03:04 AM
I know there are a few from the Seattle area here, any of you Emerald city rainpeople have a clue as to how hard Jeff was throwing last year. When he had his heat, it really worked to set up his slurve, but now that he is older I find it hard to believe he could be nearly as effective with a loss of velocity. Man I hope Tracey or Reynoso start throwing strikes consistently, because Id rather not rely on past their primers.

TDog
05-23-2006, 05:47 AM
Jeff Nelson was once successful in Seattle. Jose Paniagua was once successful in Seattle.

I hope the similarity ends there.

goofymsfan
05-23-2006, 07:04 AM
I know there are a few from the Seattle area here, any of you Emerald city rainpeople have a clue as to how hard Jeff was throwing last year. When he had his heat, it really worked to set up his slurve, but now that he is older I find it hard to believe he could be nearly as effective with a loss of velocity. Man I hope Tracey or Reynoso start throwing strikes consistently, because Id rather not rely on past their primers.

I'm trying to remember but I think it was around 89-91 for his fast ball. His off-speed stuff only slightly slower. There was a reason he didn't pitch the final few weeks of the season last year....even when there was a blow out.

goofymsfan
05-23-2006, 07:08 AM
Jeff Nelson was once successful in Seattle. Jose Paniagua was once successful in Seattle.

I hope the similarity ends there.

Last I heard Jose "Bread and Water" (this is how he was referred to by many of the fans in Seattle as that's what his last name stands for) was out of baseball with several paternity suits against him. I do hope Jeff is able to help out the Sox, but I'm not going to hold my breath. He could be a temporary fix, but hopefully KW is able to make a trade that will negate having to rely on him.

White Sox Randy
05-23-2006, 10:02 AM
Assuming Nelson is still effective you wonder if Kenny then goes out and makes a deal in late June or July for another reliable arm. Personally I hope so.

Lip


Yes, but we need someone that's better than " reliable".

We have one bullpen guy that's really tough - Jenks. That makes it tough come playoff time. I know we did it last year but I wouldn't want to try to do it again- especially against the Yankee lineup. Let's get one more nasty reliever.

longshot7
05-23-2006, 11:48 AM
This guy looks like a KKK grand wizard.

Have you ever seen one? I mean, without the robes? Give me a break.

Lip, I too am hoping for another reliable arm sometime soon.

INSox56
05-23-2006, 12:23 PM
We have one bullpen guy that's really tough - Jenks. That makes it tough come playoff time. I know we did it last year but I wouldn't want to try to do it again- especially against the Yankee lineup. Let's get one more nasty reliever.

I don't know about a lot of other people, but I for one am starting to include thornton to that title of nasty and really tough. That guy is throwing just below bobby's velocity (he hit 99 numerous times against the scrubs Saturday) and his last 4, maybe 5 outings have been dominant. 97 a bunch yesterday...97 and located well.

SBSoxFan
05-23-2006, 12:29 PM
I don't know about a lot of other people, but I for one am starting to include thornton to that title of nasty and really tough. That guy is throwing just below bobby's velocity (he hit 99 numerous times against the scrubs Saturday) and his last 4, maybe 5 outings have been dominant. 97 a bunch yesterday...97 and located well.

The Thornton bandwagon has been idling for awhile; time to jump on board. :D:

His last 5 games according to yahoo sports:

5.1 IP, 0 R, 2 H, 0 BB, 7 SO :bandance:

INSox56
05-23-2006, 12:35 PM
I'll not say I'm on a bandwagon as the best reliever we have...but I WILL say I'm really paying attention and liking what I see.

goon
05-23-2006, 12:43 PM
I don't know about a lot of other people, but I for one am starting to include thornton to that title of nasty and really tough. That guy is throwing just below bobby's velocity (he hit 99 numerous times against the scrubs Saturday) and his last 4, maybe 5 outings have been dominant. 97 a bunch yesterday...97 and located well.

i don't know what games you have been watching, but thornton is not the answer. this guy is a timebomb waiting to happen.:rolleyes:

i'm happy to see nelson coming up, we need reliable (veteran) arm in that pen, hopefully it works out.

kwolf68
05-23-2006, 12:49 PM
The Thornton bandwagon has been idling for awhile

I am on it. I finally jumped on board in the Rays series. Dude was throwing high 90s, with good location, and is starting to show confidence.

I then thought...We traded Borchard for this lefty reliever throwing 97 miles per hour...Borchard was cut from Seattle.

Typical Kenny Williams. We would have also probably cut Borchard and he is hitting about .220 at Florida with his customary strikeouts. Instead of cutting him, Kenny parlays dead weight into a guy, whose stats have not been sparkling by any means in the past, that looks to potentially be very good.

What I am also pleased about is he is GETTING BETTER...it seems Coop is getting some things done with him. While I love Ozzie Guillen as a manager and he may very well be my favorite manager/coach EVER (better than Ditka, Phil...hell even Papa Bear, little young to remember the good days with GSH), I have to say we need KW and Cooper to remain with us a long time as well...

If we keep Oz, KW, and Coop with the core of our team the White Sox WILL HOIST another World Championship. Maybe this year....maybe next...maybe the next, but it WILL happen.

goon
05-23-2006, 01:18 PM
The Thornton bandwagon has been idling for awhile

I am on it. I finally jumped on board in the Rays series. Dude was throwing high 90s, with good location, and is starting to show confidence.

I then thought...We traded Borchard for this lefty reliever throwing 97 miles per hour...Borchard was cut from Seattle.

Typical Kenny Williams. We would have also probably cut Borchard and he is hitting about .220 at Florida with his customary strikeouts. Instead of cutting him, Kenny parlays dead weight into a guy, whose stats have not been sparkling by any means in the past, that looks to potentially be very good.

What I am also pleased about is he is GETTING BETTER...it seems Coop is getting some things done with him. While I love Ozzie Guillen as a manager and he may very well be my favorite manager/coach EVER (better than Ditka, Phil...hell even Papa Bear, little young to remember the good days with GSH), I have to say we need KW and Cooper to remain with us a long time as well...

If we keep Oz, KW, and Coop with the core of our team the White Sox WILL HOIST another World Championship. Maybe this year....maybe next...maybe the next, but it WILL happen.


generally when kenny williams says that he "has had his eye" on a player for some time, it works out. aka cintron, macko, jenks...

soxfan13
05-23-2006, 01:20 PM
Jeff Nelson was once successful in Seattle. Jose Paniagua was once successful in Seattle.

I hope the similarity ends there.

Jeff Nelson was also loved by Torre when he was on the Yankees and had some very very good years with them in the World Series years. Hopefully hes closer to those years and not too far over the hill

http://www.baseball-reference.com/n/nelsoje01.shtml

Also has a phenominal playoff record if you scroll down on that link 16-4

Tragg
05-23-2006, 01:21 PM
Thornton's pitched well for the last several games.

Nelson should be a useful situational righty.

Lip Man 1
05-23-2006, 01:33 PM
Tragg:

From what I read today if Jeff still has it (and I think he does), Politte goes back to 7th inning work (where he belongs...) Nelson throws the 8th and sets up for Jenks.

Lip

sullythered
05-23-2006, 01:37 PM
This guy looks like a KKK grand wizard.
Ha! My uncle always used to call him "The Nazi," because he thought he looked like an SS officer from an old war movie.

sullythered
05-23-2006, 01:40 PM
I'll not say I'm on a bandwagon as the best reliever we have...but I WILL say I'm really paying attention and liking what I see.
Agreed. I wish he had a breaking ball like Bobby's, though. That's what really makes him tough to hit.

Chicken Dinner
05-23-2006, 01:58 PM
Nelson just needs to throw strikes. His biggest problem in the past has been walking way too many batters. 423 carreer walks with 630 hits over 782 innings isn't lights out. That's a lot of baserunners.

kwolf68
05-23-2006, 02:05 PM
Well if Nelson does not throw strikes he'll find himself heading out.

I coach a little league team and even I DONT stand for too many walks...so you gotta figure the World Champions won't stand for it either.

I think Nelson could be useful...he knows his time in the show is running out and he needs to make this one count...He could be a useful member of a World Champion if things work out.

Frater Perdurabo
05-23-2006, 02:09 PM
I've been on the Thornton bandwagon as well. He's becoming as reliable as Cotts. (Cotts himself was victimized by two defensive letdowns against the Cubs; he did his job by getting a ground ball that should have been a DP, and Anderson would have caught the line drive that Mackowiak just missed that became Barrett's RBI triple.)

Tragg
05-23-2006, 02:16 PM
Tragg:

From what I read today if Jeff still has it (and I think he does), Politte goes back to 7th inning work (where he belongs...) Nelson throws the 8th and sets up for Jenks.

Lip
Cliff was a super set-up guy for us last year; as good as Nelson EVER was. That's all I'll say.

kwolf68
05-23-2006, 02:21 PM
Cliff is our setup guy, he proved his mettle in that role and no way Jeff Nelson takes that spot from him. Cliff helped hang a flag while Nelson was being scuttled out of the majors last year....Cliff has done nothing but prove himself yet again.

White Sox Randy
05-23-2006, 02:56 PM
I think that you guys are smoking something if you think that we can count on Thornton in a tight late inning situation in the PLAYOFFS ? NO WAY !

I'm glad that he's been decent but he has little experience or knowledge of how to pitch to big hitters in key situations and he doesn't have Jenks' stuff.

I'd rather have 40 y.o. Nelson out there with the game on the line.

Lip Man 1
05-23-2006, 03:11 PM
Folks:

According to the story (and I'm assuming the numbers back this up) Cliff wasn't as effective when he had to slide to the 8th inning or later after Dustin got hurt. I've also read where Cliff doesn't have the 'make-up' for 8th / 9th inning work. (Is wound to tightly)

I'm assuming again that's why the story said he goes back to the 7th inning where he did the job in the first half of 2005.

Lip

BeviBall!
05-23-2006, 03:22 PM
Folks:

According to the story (and I'm assuming the numbers back this up) Cliff wasn't as effective when he had to slide to the 8th inning or later after Dustin got hurt. I've also read where Cliff doesn't have the 'make-up' for 8th / 9th inning work. (Is wound to tightly)

I'm assuming again that's why the story said he goes back to the 7th inning where he did the job in the first half of 2005.

Lip

I have been saying this since Herm got hurt. The later Cliff throws, the less reliable he is.

MadetoOrta
05-23-2006, 03:28 PM
Cliff was great last year but not in the same league as Nelson was at his best. With the NYY and Sea, Nelson was virtually unhittable by right-handed hitters. He was awesome. I hope he's 70% of that pitcher.

oeo
05-23-2006, 03:32 PM
Cliff is our setup guy, he proved his mettle in that role and no way Jeff Nelson takes that spot from him. Cliff helped hang a flag while Nelson was being scuttled out of the majors last year....Cliff has done nothing but prove himself yet again.

The only thing Cliff has proven this year is that last year was a fluke. I hope I'm wrong, but this guy just doesn't have it. If Nelson can get the job done, Cliff is demoted.

INSox56
05-23-2006, 03:32 PM
I have been saying this since Herm got hurt. The later Cliff throws, the less reliable he is.

He's even stated that himself.

soxtalker
05-23-2006, 03:54 PM
I think that you guys are smoking something if you think that we can count on Thornton in a tight late inning situation in the PLAYOFFS ? NO WAY !

I'm glad that he's been decent but he has little experience or knowledge of how to pitch to big hitters in key situations and he doesn't have Jenks' stuff.

I'd rather have 40 y.o. Nelson out there with the game on the line.

Although I'm optimistic on Thornton, it is a cautious optimism. But I don't think that it is a question of Thornton vs. Nelson. One is a lefty and the other a righty.

Mr. White Sox
05-23-2006, 03:56 PM
This isn't a major team-impacting decision, but I'm wondering why Boone Logan wasn't sent down to AAA. Montero had a live arm and a nice slider from what I saw, and he seemed more major-league ready than Logan, especially after the TB series. Plus, Thornton and Cotts are the two obvious lefty specialists (Thornton probably more so as Cotts has more of an overall setup man role), and Boone is a bit left out in terms of having a role in baseball games. Montero could have been an OK garbage time reliever or whatever.

Either way, Nelson was called up at the perfect time, as I believe he owns Big Frank.

SCarolina_Ron
05-23-2006, 03:58 PM
I think that you guys are smoking something if you think that we can count on Thornton in a tight late inning situation in the PLAYOFFS ? NO WAY !

I'm glad that he's been decent but he has little experience or knowledge of how to pitch to big hitters in key situations and he doesn't have Jenks' stuff.

I'd rather have 40 y.o. Nelson out there with the game on the line.



Hmmm....sounds like what we were saying about Jenks last year.

StillMissOzzie
05-23-2006, 03:59 PM
This isn't a major team-impacting decision, but I'm wondering why Boone Logan wasn't sent down to AAA. Montero had a live arm and a nice slider from what I saw, and he seemed more major-league ready than Logan, especially after the TB series. Plus, Thornton and Cotts are the two obvious lefty specialists (Thornton probably more so as Cotts has more of an overall setup man role), and Boone is a bit left out in terms of having a role in baseball games. Montero could have been an OK garbage time reliever or whatever.

Either way, Nelson was called up at the perfect time, as I believe he owns Big Frank.

Welcome to last week. :D:
Logan was sent back to Charlotte when Contreras came off the DL.

SMO
:gulp:

White Sox Randy
05-23-2006, 04:19 PM
Hmmm....sounds like what we were saying about Jenks last year.


Where has Thornton ever been a closer ? Comparisons to Jenks are invalid.

The bullpen has been the weakness of this team since the preseason.

Nelson will help but come playoff time will need something better than what we have in our organization - and I'm sure that Ozzie and KW know that.

Mr. White Sox
05-23-2006, 04:32 PM
Welcome to last week. :D:
Logan was sent back to Charlotte when Contreras came off the DL.

SMO
:gulp:

lol, good to be here! Say, I can't wait for the Cubs/Sox series at the Cell! I wonder what's going to happen! It's not a major rivalry, so don't expect any antics!

34 Inch Stick
05-23-2006, 04:32 PM
Ha! My uncle always used to call him "The Nazi," because he thought he looked like an SS officer from an old war movie.

More like a thinner Sgt. Schultz from Hogan's Heros.

oeo
05-23-2006, 04:46 PM
Where has Thornton ever been a closer ? Comparisons to Jenks are invalid.

The bullpen has been the weakness of this team since the preseason.

Nelson will help but come playoff time will need something better than what we have in our organization - and I'm sure that Ozzie and KW know that.
Your reasoning behind "no comparison" makes no sense. How is there no comparison? We said the same thing about Jenks, Cotts, and Politte (although I'm still saying it about Politte) at some point last year. Not only that, but we were on Contreras' back like we're on Garland this year. Thornton has always had the stuff to succeed, he's had control problems. Who's to say Coop hasn't helped him put it together and he may become one of the better bullpen guys in the league, just like Cotts. Even Marte came through in the World Series, and got the victory in Game 3. Thornton is going to be good.

He has been as solid as anyone out of the pen lately, and I'm starting to get confidence when he comes into the game. He's not just getting lucky, he's popping them up and mowing them down.

beckett21
05-23-2006, 05:08 PM
Your reasoning behind "no comparison" makes no sense. How is there no comparison? We said the same thing about Jenks, Cotts, and Politte (although I'm still saying it about Politte) at some point last year. Not only that, but we were on Contreras' back like we're on Garland this year. Thornton has always had the stuff to succeed, he's had control problems. Who's to say Coop hasn't helped him put it together and he may become one of the better bullpen guys in the league, just like Cotts. Even Marte came through in the World Series, and got the victory in Game 3. Thornton is going to be good.

He has been as solid as anyone out of the pen lately, and I'm starting to get confidence when he comes into the game. He's not just getting lucky, he's popping them up and mowing them down.

Agreed.

I am firmly in the pro-Thornton camp. I like what I see out of him more and more each appearance.

Luis11
05-23-2006, 05:10 PM
Frank Thomas has gone on record to say Jeff Nelson is the toughest pitcher he faced......Could be potential matchup this week!

IlliniSox
05-23-2006, 05:16 PM
Frank Thomas has gone on record to say Jeff Nelson is the toughest pitcher he faced......Could be potential matchup this week!

I do remember that, and :welcome:

Pierzynski 12
05-23-2006, 06:49 PM
Lets see what Nelson can do.:gulp:

soxinem1
05-23-2006, 07:40 PM
Now that the Sox have brought Nelson up, at least they can try him in those situation Polittle has not been doing so well in, and that's stopping the gap in the 6-7-8 innings when you have a few RH that can get key hits. He won't be a savior but it just might work if he's used right.

As far as comparing him to that scrub Paniagua, Nelson has had a by far better career.

Not to get off topic, but it seems Hermanson has fallen off the face of the earth. He's not mentioned anywhere. Does this mean he's done for, or what?

INSox56
05-23-2006, 10:40 PM
Everyone see Coop already working on Nelson between innings in the dugout? The Master has started a new project. haha

Lip Man 1
05-23-2006, 11:29 PM
So far, so good.

Lip