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whitesoxfan1986
05-22-2006, 11:33 PM
I personally think that Big Frank is a Hall of Famer. My question is that if Frank retires without hitting 500 home runs, and his BA dips below .300, will Frank not get in the HOF? I think that he may not hold his .300 career BA much longer.

RKMeibalane
05-22-2006, 11:34 PM
I personally think that Big Frank is a Hall of Famer. My question is that if Frank retires without hitting 500 home runs, and his BA dips below .300, will Frank not get in the HOF? I think that he may not hold his .300 career BA much longer.

At this point, it doesn't look he plays past this season, unless he turns things around drastically, so I'd say that he probably does.

whitesoxfan1986
05-22-2006, 11:43 PM
I made this post with the assumption that Frank tries to stick around to hit 500 home runs.

churlish
05-22-2006, 11:56 PM
It would be nearly impossible not to stay above .300. If he gets 500 more at-bats and bats .200, he will end up with a .301 average. Chances are if he is still hitting around .200 at the end of the year, no one will want him next year.

Lip Man 1
05-22-2006, 11:57 PM
This is all you need to know.

Fact: There are fourteen players in MLB history with a batting championship and at least 450 home runs.

Fact: 11 of those are in the Hall of Fame including Lou Gehrig, Stan Musial and Billy Williams.

Fact: The only members of that club who aren't are Frank, Bonds and Sheffield and that's because they are still playing.

Frank is in... 500 home runs or not, a .300 average or not.

Lip

knocko94
05-23-2006, 12:00 AM
With a few rough calculations, if Frank gets 600 more official plate appearences before he retires:


At this season's HR pace (9HR/123AB), 600 AB projects to about 44 HR, which puts him at 499 career HR
He would have to hit .236 in those 600 AB to have a career average that could be rounded up to .300 (it would be .299531)Edit: I guess He has 457 HR right now, so 44 more would give him 501.

ondafarm
05-23-2006, 12:46 AM
Frank would have to go 0 for the next 122 to drop below .300 career (a pure .300). Every three hits he gets obviously extends that by 10 at bats. My feeling is that he's got 43 more hits that matter. At his current rate (9HR/123 AB) that means he needs 588 more at bats to 500 homers. In that 588 ABs if he gets 102 other hits and the 43 homers, then Frank will hit .247 for that stretch and still hit above .300 career.

The A's have played 44 games so far. Frank in 35 of them. Frank has 123 ABs this year so he needs to play about 167 more games (roughly one more full season) to have a shot at 500 homers.

So if you are in Billy Beane's head, end of the season, Frank Thomas hit 35 homers for you and drove in 82 runs. He hit a basic .265 for you. Do you resign him to get his last 17 homers, including his 500th in an A's uniform, and play one more season. By himself, he could make May a solid attendance month for you.

I say that's a no-brainer. If Frank stays healthy, hits 26 more homers in the remaining 3/4ths of this season, then he's as good as re-signed for similiar money.

LuvSox
05-23-2006, 01:01 AM
He can retire at .300 like Kruk did

chaerulez
05-23-2006, 02:54 AM
If always said this, and I'll say it again: If Frank Thomas is not a first ballot HOF, the whole thing is a sham and the voters are complete morons.

Steelrod
05-23-2006, 07:51 AM
Yes, $$$$$$$$$

soxinem1
05-23-2006, 08:36 AM
It would be nearly impossible not to stay above .300. If he gets 500 more at-bats and bats .200, he will end up with a .301 average. Chances are if he is still hitting around .200 at the end of the year, no one will want him next year.

I actually started thinking about this after he hit in the .270's a couple years ago, and basically did the same math you did.

But if he hits like last night, he'll be around for awhile.

I want Mags back
05-23-2006, 10:02 PM
i think he will

rowand33
05-23-2006, 10:09 PM
I think it's wrong to assume that he'll stay below .200 and won't get a job next season. He is on pace for 38 HR and 94 RBI right now.

I think that his average will pick up to about .250 by the end of the season. At least .230.

And a crap team like the royals would sign a guy that hit .230 with 30 HR. Especially if his name was Frank Thomas. Just to try to put people in the seats.

Trav
05-23-2006, 11:46 PM
This is all you need to know.

Fact: There are fourteen players in MLB history with a batting championship and at least 450 home runs.

Fact: 11 of those are in the Hall of Fame including Lou Gehrig, Stan Musial and Billy Williams.

Fact: The only members of that club who aren't are Frank, Bonds and Sheffield and that's because they are still playing.

Frank is in... 500 home runs or not, a .300 average or not.

Lip

After all the stats I like to think about the man. The man who spurned a half dozen kids seeking autographs in front of a hotel (1st hand experience) and a man who couldn't figure out how terrrible the Chicago media is after 16 years. A man who clearly had his problems, off the field and later on in his days, staying on the field. I think about that and then I think about how many times he could have went the Barry route.

I don't have the stats in front of me but I am guessing that during his peak years, he had a better eye than Bonds. This is a guy who could have shattered the Walks, hits RBI's and all the other records that Bonds did. But he didn't. So despite all his flaws, I don't see how anyone can hold a grudge. Big mout or not.

This is a guy who could hit for crap the next five years and if he still doesn't get to 500 he still gets in on the first ballot. But if there is any justice in this world, Frank stays healthy enough to hit .350 for the next three seasons.

34 Inch Stick
05-24-2006, 02:10 PM
I think it's wrong to assume that he'll stay below .200 and won't get a job next season. He is on pace for 38 HR and 94 RBI right now.

I think that his average will pick up to about .250 by the end of the season. At least .230.

And a crap team like the royals would sign a guy that hit .230 with 30 HR. Especially if his name was Frank Thomas. Just to try to put people in the seats.

Didn't someone sign Juan Gonzalez this year?

RKMeibalane
05-24-2006, 02:27 PM
Didn't someone sign Juan Gonzalez this year?

It was Oakland, ironically. They signed him to a minor league deal, and he's playing somewhere within their organization.

ode to veeck
05-25-2006, 01:20 AM
If always said this, and I'll say it again: If Frank Thomas is not a first ballot HOF, the whole thing is a sham and the voters are complete morons.

Even before the vote on Frank, the whole thing is already a sham and the voters are complete morons