PDA

View Full Version : Rich Hill


getonbckthr
05-20-2006, 07:00 PM
I'm sure this has been discussed in the other threads but I feel this needs a thread to itself. No this isn't a Cubs-only thread either, its a general baseball discussion. He made the comment that he felt that AJ's play was dirty and uncalled for. I have to ask the question, Is this how how a majority of the new breed of ball players that have come in the last few years and will come up think? I know a lot of people here really dislike Torii Hunter for the hit on us a couple seasons ago. However it was a hard-nosed play. Today with AJ it was a hard-nosed play. Some where along the development stages in the minors these kids have to learn it is not dirty to runover the catcher when he blocks the plate! It is not dirty to throw inside to get someone off the plate! It is not dirty to go in hard at 2nd to break up a double play! If the pitcher takes it upon himself to step in your baseline opposed to throwing to first you don't have to go around him, its your baseline! And finally if your team mate gets beaned it is not dirty to retaliate if anything it should be expected and tolerated because you are defending your team.

buehrle4cy05
05-20-2006, 07:03 PM
Collisions at home plate are part of the game. IIRC, a few years back, the Angels were playing the Braves and Darin Erstad bowled over Johnny Estrada, landing him on the DL for several weeks. I don't recall ever hearing Estrada say that it was a cheap shot. If a catcher is blocking the plate, the baserunner has the right to run him over.

oeo
05-20-2006, 07:12 PM
I'm sure this has been discussed in the other threads but I feel this needs a thread to itself. No this isn't a Cubs-only thread either, its a general baseball discussion. He made the comment that he felt that AJ's play was dirty and uncalled for. I have to ask the question, Is this how how a majority of the new breed of ball players that have come in the last few years and will come up think? I know a lot of people here really dislike Torii Hunter for the hit on us a couple seasons ago. However it was a hard-nosed play. Today with AJ it was a hard-nosed play. Some where along the development stages in the minors these kids have to learn it is not dirty to runover the catcher when he blocks the plate! It is not dirty to throw inside to get someone off the plate! It is not dirty to go in hard at 2nd to break up a double play! If the pitcher takes it upon himself to step in your baseline opposed to throwing to first you don't have to go around him, its your baseline! And finally if your team mate gets beaned it is not dirty to retaliate if anything it should be expected and tolerated because you are defending your team.
The only reason I still don't like that Torii play, is because I still believe Jamie Burke wasn't even over the plate. He was in front of it, and Torii could have just as easily scored without running him over. Not only that, it was almost a blindside.

Barrett was right over the plate, and the only way for AJ to score was to run him over, so that's what he did. Barrett saw it coming, and actually defended himself with his arms, when he should have just gotten out of the way.

StockdaleForVeep
05-20-2006, 07:14 PM
This whole fight was over the misconception that they thought AJ was bragging and barrett didnt see the helmet. Regardless, a clean play

getonbckthr
05-20-2006, 07:21 PM
I'm just questioning the heart and pride of the new breed ball players. It's like they are afraid of confrontations.

SoxSpeed22
05-20-2006, 07:27 PM
I'm just questioning the heart and pride of the new breed ball players. It's like they are afraid of confrontations.:anderson:"Ha!"

getonbckthr
05-20-2006, 07:28 PM
Thats why I love 44 plus he takes good angles:D:

Lip Man 1
05-20-2006, 07:56 PM
Rich Hill is 0-4 (or is it 0-5) with an ERA of almost eight.

No one gives a rat's ass what he says or what he thinks.

Lip

hawkjt
05-20-2006, 08:02 PM
Rich Hill is lonely on that island with his stance cuz no one else, even cubs, are saying AJ did anything wrong.

Rich Hill is going to be lonely on that plane back to Des Moines also.

Sounds like a wimp, pitches like a wimp. Is a wimp.

HomeFish
05-20-2006, 09:53 PM
And finally if your team mate gets beaned it is not dirty to retaliate if anything it should be expected and tolerated because you are defending your team.

This is where I disagree. The other things you mentioned are all good, but this isn't retaliation -- it is giving the other team a free baserunner, and it is simply bad baseball.

Want to retaliate for a beanball? Drive the guy in. That's how you do it.

Iguchi retaliated the right way today. Rich Hill's ERA is going to take a lot longer to heal than would any bruises from a HBP.

QCIASOXFAN
05-20-2006, 10:27 PM
I am going to go take a Rich and then wipe my Hill.

SoxSpeed22
05-20-2006, 10:41 PM
Once Hangar comes, he can laugh about them not trading this guy to get Barry Zito.

elrod
05-21-2006, 12:35 AM
Rich Hill can have fun on the Greyhound bus back home with all those idiot fat fans from Iowa.

WizardsofOzzie
05-21-2006, 12:48 AM
Rich Hill's comments about todays collision at homeplate:
"I think it was pretty gutless on their part—him hitting Michael when he didn't even have the ball," Hill said. "That's not how you play the game.But you don't go around just running over catchers. That's not the way you play the game. … It was pathetic."

Ozzie Guillen's response:
Tell that Triple-A [bleep] to shut the [bleep] up," "Tell him to start throwing some strikes or he's going to get Dusty fired."

TDog
05-21-2006, 06:20 AM
Rich Hill is an expert on how baseball should be played?

His next major league win will be his first. I don't see any street cred.

DrCrawdad
05-21-2006, 07:02 AM
Once Hangar comes, he can laugh about them not trading this guy to get Barry Zito.
According to quite a few people Rich Hill was just like Barry Zito. Cub fans a few in the media (although I can't remember who at the moment) continously referred to Rich (Dick) Hill having pitches like Zito.

The difference?

Zito is a very successful MLB pitcher in his 7th season.
Zito is 28 years old (Hill is only 2 years younger).
Zito has 89 career wins (Hill has ZERO).

No one should EVER use Zito's and (the loudmouth's) names in the same sentence EVER again.

viagracat
05-21-2006, 12:27 PM
I remember when Pete Rose ran over Ray Fosse in the 1970 All-Star game. IIRC, most people considered that simply a good hard-nosed play indicative of Rose's playing style.

If you're going to block the plate, with or without the ball, you're going to get hit. That's the way the game is played. Everyone except Moronotti and Rich Hill understands that.

rookiewhitesox
05-21-2006, 01:58 PM
dont care for him

TDog
05-22-2006, 02:26 PM
I remember when Pete Rose ran over Ray Fosse in the 1970 All-Star game. IIRC, most people considered that simply a good hard-nosed play indicative of Rose's playing style.

If you're going to block the plate, with or without the ball, you're going to get hit. That's the way the game is played. Everyone except Moronotti and Rich Hill understands that.

And Fosse had to expect Rose would run him over. Heck, Rose probably had a grand riding on the game.

viagracat
05-22-2006, 03:28 PM
Well, to Hill's credit, he admitted he was a

:dumbass:

and said he didn't know what the hell he was talking about. Now he says it was indeed a good play. He'll get time in Iowa to learn, in Baker's words, to "listen more and talk less".

But give Hill credit for admitting that.

Uncle_Patrick
05-22-2006, 03:29 PM
I don't think that Rich Hill is indicitive of a new breed of ball player who doesn't understand hard nose baseball. More likely, he's a ****ty pitcher having a ****ty inning who saw his catcher get plowed over and wanted someone other than himself to be mad at. Had Barrett run over AJ on a close play at the plate, Hill probably would have thought it was a great play on Barrett's part. All these people (Chicago media and Cubs fans) whining that AJ should have slid should realize that as he didn't have the ball, Barrett was out of line by being in the base path to begin with. You block the plate, you risk getting nailed. The end.