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SOXfnNlansing
05-19-2006, 02:50 PM
... just watching the pregame on CSN and I was astonished by Steve Stone firing on the cubs with both barrels. He really said it all about the cub's brass not caring about winning because the 3.5 in the stands and not getting another starter or big hitter. He is probably still a cub homer because he said that the city is divided 'probably' 65-35 at best but probably 85-15 to 75-25. :rolleyes:

HotelWhiteSox
05-19-2006, 02:56 PM
Yes, he's been saying this on the Score as well, but looks like he really fires him up. The jist of it is 'How do you explain spending less than the White Sox and under the amount where the luxury tax kicks in when you've outdrawn them, get money from the Nationals' sale, money from Sosa, and new bleacher seats'

Also, agree that his split about the Cubs/Sox fans is bogus. He must be looking in different places than I do.

patbooyah
05-19-2006, 02:57 PM
I am tivoing the comcast pregame, so here is steve stone's hangar-like anti-cubs front office rant word for word:

"As long as 3.2 million fans come in the turnstyles and they keep listening on WGN radio and watching on WGN television - of course there is pressure to win, but it's not as much as you would think. Because if it was, if there was indeed a "winning at all cost" attitude, if there was a sense of urgency, then how in the world could you possibly explain spending less money than the Chicago White Sox despite the fact that you have out drawn them by 750 thousand people every year. You've got Sammy's 15 million dollars back, you built 1800 new bleacher seats and you knew you were getting 15 million from the sale of the Washington Nationals and you're spending under 100 million. Less than the Chicago White Sox. If there was that sense of urgency or that tremendous pressure you're talking about, you would have spent a lot more money... I would've liked to seen an investment in the baseball team. it's one thing if you don't want to pay luxury tax - that's at at about 117 milion, but it's another thing to be about 20 million short of that and to see that you need another starting pitcher and to see that you need another banger, and when your big first baseman goes out, you can fill in with Todd Walker who never played first in his life and maybe occasionally Jon Mabry. I mean it's okay, it's not good enough. And to go through that stretch of of 13 of 15 games where you're not scoring any runs, your staff is getting hammered, you can't execute defensively or offensively. They're in a situation now where they're really behind the 8 ball. literally. They're 8 games in the loss column back of St. Louis. last year they were 21 games worse than St. Louis. Looking at the baseball team this year, did you think they added 21 games to their roster? I didn't. So the thing you had to hope for was St. louis to come back to the pack. Not as long as Walt Jockety, Tony Larussa and Dave Duncan are there.

I love Stoney when he analyzes.

NOTE: i know the sentences aren't punctuated perfectly, but the stoner doesn't speak in perfect sentences.

EDIT: in the time it took me to type this, another thread was posted. lo siento. please merge.

MrRoboto83
05-19-2006, 07:54 PM
I was watching this also, and he talked about the 75-25 fan ratio I was like ok whatever, but then on the subject of the tribune co, he just started going off, he really looked pissed! go Stoney

Irishsox1
05-19-2006, 10:00 PM
In the city and suburbs of Chicago, I think its 53% Cubs - 47% Sox, outside of Chicago, 85% Cubs - 15% Sox.

By the way, Stone needs to get a life, or get his group to buy the Cubs. All he does is bash them. O.K....I got it, the Cubs suck...move on!

oeo
05-19-2006, 10:09 PM
In the city and suburbs of Chicago, I think its 53% Cubs - 47% Sox, outside of Chicago, 85% Cubs - 15% Sox.

By the way, Stone needs to get a life, or get his group to buy the Cubs. All he does is bash them. O.K....I got it, the Cubs suck...move on!

Somebody needs to do it, they've been given respect for this bull**** they call a baseball team for far too long. It's about time somebody starts bashing them, it's long overdue.

slavko
05-19-2006, 10:51 PM
... just watching the pregame on CSN and I was astonished by Steve Stone firing on the cubs with both barrels. He really said it all about the cub's brass not caring about winning because the 3.5 in the stands and not getting another starter or big hitter. He is probably still a cub homer because he said that the city is divided 'probably' 65-35 at best but probably 85-15 to 75-25. :rolleyes:

Bill Melton has said 4 to 1 on a postgame show (that's 80-20 for you dropouts) and I don't hear anyone calling him a Cub homer.

RadioheadRocks
05-19-2006, 10:56 PM
Ok people there are no hard factual numbers evident here... let's not get all worked up over SUBJECTIVE statistics.

Thank you.

jamokes
05-19-2006, 11:03 PM
Steve Stone is the best!!

PaulDrake
05-19-2006, 11:16 PM
There's no way it's 4-1 in the Chicago area. More like 3-2.

MadetoOrta
05-19-2006, 11:34 PM
80-20? bs Kids today are laughing and mocking the cubs just like we did as kids with the difference being they're wearing World Series champ t-shirts while doing the taunting. Should the Sox repeat, look out. The cubs will always draw because of the neighborhood but in the end people want to be with a winner. It's ours for the taking.

Vernam
05-19-2006, 11:40 PM
There's no way it's 4-1 in the Chicago area. More like 3-2.It's probably 7-1 in the restaurants where Stone eats for free, so he thinks he's being generous by calling it 4-1. :cool:

In most of America, "smug losers" is an oxymoron. On the north side of Chicago, it's a lifestyle.

Vernam

Nellie_Fox
05-20-2006, 12:51 AM
...outside of Chicago, 85% Cubs - 15% Sox.There are a lot more Sox fans on my block than Cubs fans.

LuvSox
05-20-2006, 01:22 AM
outside of Chicago, 85% Cubs - 15% Sox.

Huh? Not where I live. Not even close.

HotelWhiteSox
05-20-2006, 01:57 AM
Not to mention St Louis, Cincinatti, Milwaukee, all places that hate the Cubs. And all the other fans are starting to see how lame the 'loveable loser' thing is, at some point you just become a loser. In most other places not on the intersection of Clark and Addison, one way people show dissatisfaction with a team is to stop going (still support, but not putting the money in as a protest). Not losoing money up there, 100 years of losing.

DSpivack
05-20-2006, 02:09 AM
I really feel for Steve Stone. A class guy that the Cubs brass kicked out because he spews truth. Kind of like Foley? You can really see his pain in being a Cubs fan, and at what BS the Trib spews. I've always liked him.

TheOldRoman
05-20-2006, 02:15 AM
Bill Melton has said 4 to 1 on a postgame show (that's 80-20 for you dropouts) and I don't hear anyone calling him a Cub homer.
I have my issues with Melton. I don't find him particularly insightful or intelligent. In the World Series game 4 post game show, he basically said "enjoy it because you will never see it again" and detailed that the Sox had almost no chance to repeat.:rolleyes:

As someone said about Stone, Melton may be surrounded by Cub fans in his northshore home, but that is not a true indication of the city. In the city and suburbs the breakdown is at very least 40% for the Sox. In downstate Illinois and around the country, there are obviously more Cubs fans, but that doesn't matter.

As for Stone, he can be believed, but he is laughable right now. The Cubune got pissed that Stone ripped them, so they canned his sorry ass. He is obsessed with the Cubs, like a lover scorn. He will trash them non-stop, but then defend them in the next breath (85-15). All he ever wanted to do was work for the Cubs, and the Trib took that away from him. He just wants to Love the Cubs, is that too much to ask?

:stone:
"I hate the Cubs. Waaaah! They are stupid and mean. They are such *******s. I hate em I hate em I hate em! I put out and they left me by the curb. They used me. They are the worst franchise in sports history. *whipes tears from eyes*. But at least they aren't the White Sox. They are SOO horrible. I mean, they are ugly, I would never date them. They are such losers. The Cubs are SOO much cooler and hotter than the White Sox. But the Cubs are still bastards and I hope they die! Call me, Hendry! I am waiting by the phone."

TDog
05-20-2006, 02:25 AM
Ozzie Guillen said this week that Chicago is still a Cubs town. What difference does it make? Who are the losers here? Are casual fans who determine such things so enamored with a loser that they won't identify with the only winning baseball team from Chicago in their lifetimes?

You could have had a blast at Sox games last summer, but you were too busy pretending to be part of a "tradition." It looks like the 2006 Sox are going to give fans a fun ride too. If you would rather whine about what the Cubs need to do to bring Chicago a winner you can miss out on more baseball fun than you'll ever get from North Side baseball.

Chicago is big enough that there that the city can support its South Side baseball team and its North Side pseudo-baseball team.

ChicagoG19
05-20-2006, 03:34 AM
Did anyone esle see Steve stone rip on the cubs on their payroll on Comcast's sportsnite. I thought it was great and i hope some of the cubby faithful see that and learn from a very intelligent man. And to think there were rumors he could have been in the sox radio booth.

CanBuehrleWait
05-20-2006, 07:01 AM
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2004-05-28/screens_feature3-1.jpg
'Wassup young blood? I see you talkin that ole funky Cub's jive in the Clubhouse. Gots to check ya self before you wreck yourself. Now, I'll let ya slide this time cause ya new round the parts. Cubs related jive, smack and all that jazz goes in 'Whats the Score'. Just gotta keep it on the up and up and be careful where ya post. Ya dig?'

BackNBlack
05-20-2006, 08:54 AM
Stone Cold Steve Stone can you give me a hell yeah. I sa wthat broadcast and thats the thing I love about him, he's to the point.

TornLabrum
05-20-2006, 10:44 AM
Ok people there are no hard factual numbers evident here... let's not get all worked up over SUBJECTIVE statistics.

Thank you.

You know 85% of all statistics are made up.

MrRoboto83
05-20-2006, 12:16 PM
You know 85% of all statistics are made up.

You are 101% correct:D:

Fenway
05-20-2006, 12:53 PM
you may all call Boston the Red Cubs but Red Sox ownership TRIES to win. They know to keep the golden goose going the Red Sox have to be in the hunt and in their 5 years of owning the team they have done that. 2006 was supposed to be their rebuilding year but look at them in the standings.

Truth is the Cubs are more like the Blackhawks than the Red Sox

SoxSpeed22
05-20-2006, 01:10 PM
Truth is the Cubs are more like the Blackhawks than the Red Sox...Not entirely true. Blackhawks fans stopped going to games or following them because the team sucks and their fanbase is Shrinking by the day. But we only use the comparison to the Red Sox because of the losing for a long time and getting more fans because of it.

Blueprint1
05-20-2006, 01:16 PM
Seems like its about 50-50 where I live. I see sox hats everywhere not. When I lived in Central Illinois it was all cubs, Cardinals.

Dan H
05-21-2006, 09:55 AM
Ozzie Guillen said this week that Chicago is still a Cubs town. What difference does it make? Who are the losers here? Are casual fans who determine such things so enamored with a loser that they won't identify with the only winning baseball team from Chicago in their lifetimes?

You could have had a blast at Sox games last summer, but you were too busy pretending to be part of a "tradition." It looks like the 2006 Sox are going to give fans a fun ride too. If you would rather whine about what the Cubs need to do to bring Chicago a winner you can miss out on more baseball fun than you'll ever get from North Side baseball.

Chicago is big enough that there that the city can support its South Side baseball team and its North Side pseudo-baseball team.


I agree with this. I really don't care if Sox fans are outnumbered by Cub fans. The Sox outnumber the Cubs in recent World Series championships, a number no one can debate over.

Of course we know how smart Cubs fans are. They wait in the snow in February to buy tickets to see a team going nowhere. Their team and so called tradition reeks. Pseudo-baseball team is right. The only team they beat this week is the Washington Nationals. And I bet the Nationals go to a World Series before the Cubs do.

tebman
05-21-2006, 10:08 AM
You know 85% of all statistics are made up.
I agree! And as Disraeli famously said, "There are lies, damn lies - and statistics."

These numbers, ratios, and proportions have no meaning. The fact is that the Cubs have enjoyed a well-paved path of PR for the last 20 years while the Sox have not. Part of that is the Sox management's own fault.

But the ship is turning around, to mix yet another metaphor. But it takes time. Watch the kids: they're following the Sox, not the Tribune's house team. A generation is growing up knowing what real baseball is, instead of the well-financed artifice that the Cubs are selling.

If the White Sox were a stock pick, I'd say buy now!

samram
05-21-2006, 10:26 AM
You know 85% of all statistics are made up.

Yeah, but only 26% of people know that.

LongLiveFisk
05-21-2006, 10:27 AM
you may all call Boston the Red Cubs but Red Sox ownership TRIES to win. They know to keep the golden goose going the Red Sox have to be in the hunt and in their 5 years of owning the team they have done that. 2006 was supposed to be their rebuilding year but look at them in the standings.

Truth is the Cubs are more like the Blackhawks than the Red Sox

I don't call the Red Sox the Red Cubs, but I think this name grew from the disturbing observation of these two fanbases admiring each other. I can see Cub fans wanting to latch onto someone else since their own team has been so pathetic over the years/decades, but Red Sox fans who have embraced the Cubs should be ashamed of themselves. The team in Boston, as you say, has almost always been competitive despite the long wait between championships. To me it's like the handsome football star deciding to date the ugliest girl in the school just because he feels sorry for her. It's not supposed to happen! :D:

samram
05-21-2006, 10:31 AM
I have my issues with Melton. I don't find him particularly insightful or intelligent. In the World Series game 4 post game show, he basically said "enjoy it because you will never see it again" and detailed that the Sox had almost no chance to repeat.:rolleyes:

As someone said about Stone, Melton may be surrounded by Cub fans in his northshore home, but that is not a true indication of the city. In the city and suburbs the breakdown is at very least 40% for the Sox. In downstate Illinois and around the country, there are obviously more Cubs fans, but that doesn't matter.

As for Stone, he can be believed, but he is laughable right now. The Cubune got pissed that Stone ripped them, so they canned his sorry ass. He is obsessed with the Cubs, like a lover scorn. He will trash them non-stop, but then defend them in the next breath (85-15). All he ever wanted to do was work for the Cubs, and the Trib took that away from him. He just wants to Love the Cubs, is that too much to ask?

:stone:
"I hate the Cubs. Waaaah! They are stupid and mean. They are such *******s. I hate em I hate em I hate em! I put out and they left me by the curb. They used me. They are the worst franchise in sports history. *whipes tears from eyes*. But at least they aren't the White Sox. They are SOO horrible. I mean, they are ugly, I would never date them. They are such losers. The Cubs are SOO much cooler and hotter than the White Sox. But the Cubs are still bastards and I hope they die! Call me, Hendry! I am waiting by the phone."

I agree with your comments on Melton, but I think you're way off regarding Stone. Now that he's no longer employed by the Cubs, he's saying the things he couldn't say before. I agree he is bitter to a certain extent, but that doesn't mean he's not telling the truth or being accurate with his comments. Hell, if he were going on Comcast or the Score and simply feeding us Cubune propoganda, we would all be ripping him for that.

PaulDrake
05-21-2006, 11:10 AM
...Not entirely true. Blackhawks fans stopped going to games or following them because the team sucks and their fanbase is Shrinking by the day. But we only use the comparison to the Red Sox because of the losing for a long time and getting more fans because of it.
That's not a good comparison. The Red Sox have the 4th highest winning percentage in the history of MLB. They just had trouble winning the big prize, not fielding winning teams. The cubs, on the other hand.

viagracat
05-21-2006, 01:18 PM
Noted baseball historian Jerome Holtzman always maintained that Chicago was 50/50 when it came to true, long-time fans that supported their teams pretty much from the cradle, and I believe that. Of course, the transplants, tourists, party people and the truly clueless gravitate toward the Cubs, but do we really want them on our side anyway?:smile:

viagracat
05-21-2006, 01:21 PM
Even here in Elgin, widely perceived as a Cub town, most of my immediate neighbors that I hang with are either Sox fans or don't have much use for the Cubs. Then again, maybe I just hang with a better kind of people...:D:

White Sox Randy
05-22-2006, 03:32 PM
Ok, here's my opinion on this Sox-flubs fan split.

I have lived in the Northern suburbs all of my life - Skokie, Buffalo Grove, Vernon Hills, Des Plaines and Morton Grove.

IMO, in 2004, the whole Chicago metropolitan area was split about 85% to 15%.

Now, it is about 70% to 30%. In the Northern burbs, it's still 80-20. In the South maybe 60-40.

It SEEMS LIKE there are more Sox fans than this but there are not and I'll explain why:

I have lots of flubs fan friends who say that they "hate the cubs" - that's TODAY! If the cubs make the playoffs next year - guess who will be cub fans again ? When they're with their cub fan friends, they're cub fans. When their with Sox fans , then they hate the cubs - those ARE NOT Sox fans.

Right now, lots of cub fans are in hiding but they are still cub fans. It will take more than one season to change a large % of people. If the Sox make the playoffs this year AND next while the cubs don't for atleast 5 more years, then you will see a more even split.

It almost impossiblE to fight the media protection and promotion that the cubs have. The Sox would have to be demonstrably better for about 6-8 straight years, IMO.

The South side will ofcourse switch faster than the Nothside. Still, I go in any store in the northern suburbs that sells SOX-CUBS merchandise and there is still more cubs merch. Some have NO Sox merch. at all.

Remember,almost all those cub fans from 2003 are still there - but some are dormant right now.

palehozenychicty
05-22-2006, 03:46 PM
you may all call Boston the Red Cubs but Red Sox ownership TRIES to win. They know to keep the golden goose going the Red Sox have to be in the hunt and in their 5 years of owning the team they have done that. 2006 was supposed to be their rebuilding year but look at them in the standings.

Truth is the Cubs are more like the Blackhawks than the Red Sox

I've told people this difference and it's evident to everyone. Fenway, an all-Sox ALCS is the only thing that looks possible right now

Uncle_Patrick
05-22-2006, 03:48 PM
I don't call the Red Sox the Red Cubs, but I think this name grew from the disturbing observation of these two fanbases admiring each other.

From what I saw, it was all one-sided. It was the media pointing out the similarities between the 2 franchises and fan bases and Cubs fans buying into that. I didn't see a ton of love for the Cubs coming out of Boston. Granted, I didn't research it a whole lot, though.:D:

I generally enjoy Steve Stone's comments and insight. Sometimes it seems like he's in a no-win situation with fans. If he praises anything the Cubs do, he's a "Cubbie tool", but if he rips them, he's "bitter". I want to give him props for the being the first media person, after Saturday's game, that I heard note that as AJ and Barrett got up from the collision, Barrett had his arm out, grabbing AJ, at the time many media people were saying that AJ "intentionally shouldered" Barrett.

palehozenychicty
05-22-2006, 03:50 PM
And I bet the Nationals go to a World Series before the Cubs do.

With the Lerner/Kasten partnership, it is probably going to happen sooner than you think.